At 02:24 PM 7/11/2008, Diana Tomchick wrote:
On Jul 10, 2008, at 2:22 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
Diana (too young to be an old Hippie Chick, but my oldest sister would
qualify)
Let's hear it for the hippy Hippie Chicks that made our caving lives
and trips so wonderful over the many years.
This article appeared today in a school newspaper.
Warning: contains language about sexual organs:
( scroll down to the 4th paragraph to see the use
of the word spelunker )
http://www.kansan.com/stories/2008/jul/11/dirty/
highly recommended, thought provoking mirror of just how we might be
burying ourselves in stuff and stuffing our selves into obsolescence.
A disturbing number of patrons at the show I attended looked just
like the future.
and it was heartwarming to imagine Stone's robotprobe as the
whimsical
The original 1864 version of the book can be read on line at:
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre
However, it is interesting to note that a year earlier, another French
author
published a book called
**La terre avant le deluge**
**
According to one historian some of
Here is a little more about the French book I was describing.
It is not a novel, but a geologic book.
The book has lots of interesting sketches which resemble some of the scenes
later used in the
Jules Vernes story:
If you know a teenager that is about to go on a killing spree, you
should first recommend to them this free on-line training video:
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=13271
The game is in early development, but has come a long ways
from the original version.
It is a family
I imagine most of you have never heard or do not listen
to a singer named Kid Rock. I certainly don't.
But he has a new hit and it has a very catchy rythym and
a very good guitar solo along with an interesting mixture
of an old hard rock song - Sweet Home Alabama.
It is the best new hard
I saw him do this on one of the latenite shows this week--maybe Letterman?
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:43:15 -0500From: dlocklear01@gmail.comTo:
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song
I imagine most of you have
that's really wierd!
Apparently it is above the water table.
It otherwise seems that it would fill up with water.
-WaV
there is a fascinating place in Honey Creek at the end of the grand
finale. there is a circular swimming pool room perhaps 12 feet
across (been a long time, could be way
Nancy,
Give us a little better explanation for those who have never made this water
trip. Are you saying that there is a form of a sump in the passageway in which
you can go under water and continue down to a lower level pool while all the
while staying under water? Maybe Bill Steele can help
Fritz said:
Are you saying that there is a form of a sump in the passageway in which you
can go under water and continue down to a lower level pool while all the while
staying under water?
No, not at all. The Grand Finale is a large room with a shallow lake in
it. At the back of
I'm familiar with the place Nancy's describing. At the end of the Grand
Finale passage the floor drops over several abandoned travertine dams
into a seasonal pool. I think it's more like 6-8 feet around. Then the
passage drops again through a few squeezy areas then heads back under
the area with
Brian:
Lighten up Dude! All this vitriol was prompted by my making a wisecrack
about new age Hippie chix, not a word was said about christians. Is a sense of
persecution a requirement of your faith? Since you insist on taking harmless
jokes about others as an affront to your particular
Guys,
Believe it or not, it isn't just about either of YOU!
Lots of us read Cavetex, and I suspect I am not the only one bored and
offended by the self righteousness and baiting of either side.
Take it somewhere else, and enjoy.
But spare me.
Better yet,
Take it underground.
_
According to Dallas County Commisioner John Price, it is racially
insensitive to
use the word Black to describe a speleological subject.
For example,
Black Chasm Cave
Black Scorpion Cave
Black lava stalactites
Black bat,
etc.
In my opinion, since native African homo sapiens are not really
Gee David, you really have some tough problems. Don't off yourself. We would
miss you and the monitor would be blank (not black). Best get your scooter
legal as you may need transportation that you can afford.
Red neck Geezer with a black heart but with some green until Obama gets in.
You've once again crammed a lot of words into a small idea: That your
self-righteous superior knowledge of the mysteries of the universe entitle
you to unprovokedly and repeatedly personally criticize those who believe
differently. If you'll review the previous posts you'll realize that there
has
On Jul 10, 2008, at 2:22 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
I’m just glad the old Hippie chicks aren't mad at me, but most of
them are too bright to take the bait!
No, most of them are too burned out and disgusted by this thread. By
now they've left the listserve out of frustration that
Both of you know better than to flame and bring up this type of off
topic stuff on the list serve, it drives too many away and it has
ceased to be amusing to the rest of us.
Take it off list.
have a nice day
Charles
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Brian Riordan riordan.br...@gmail.com wrote:
Diana,
We have met and the term old doesn't fit. Bill and I love you.
Fritz
-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:25 PM
To: bmorgan...@aol.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Illusory
Yet again our little list serve has come full circle. A seemingly
innocent offtopic reply to an on-topic plummeted a few people deep
into the underworld. Every few cycles (of something) and things
degenerate in here.
Flaming is a big no-no, just about anywhere, so please don't do it
here. I've
Have I said thanks for what you do lately?
Thanks.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:03 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Full circle
Yet again our little list serve has come full circle. A
No, but you are more than welcome :)
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Have I said thanks for what you do lately?
Thanks.
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From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:03 PM
To:
At 04:19 PM 7/11/2008, George Veni wrote:
No cave is listed by that name in Kendall County. Send me a location
off-post, and any other details you may have, so I can verify that
this is a new cave and not an known cave under a new name.
George, I think that is the cave you asked me if I had
I think that may have been Robin Barber... I know Ladder was one of the
first caves she was involved in.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
At 04:19 PM 7/11/2008, George Veni wrote:
No cave is listed by that name in Kendall County. Send me a location
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7502243.stm
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Roger and fellow spelunkers/cavers,
I wish that someone would step on the repulsive little Geico Gecko. The
commercials are dumb and it is a foreigner to boot.
However, up until about 15 years ago there were no geckos in the Houston area,
only anoles which I love to see change from green to
We have Leopard geckos here in Midland, Texas all around my house.
Bill
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From: Fritz Holt
To: CaverArch ; Don Cooper ; o...@texascavers.com
Cc: a...@gluesenkamp.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] Geico Gecko
Roger and
Fritz,
Oh, Fritz, I love the Gecko commercials that feature a decent David
Attenborough (British naturalist and film-maker) impersonator observing the
lizard in the wild, but I'm a big Attenborough fan. And the gecko's
'furriner' status has an interesting twist. In his first appearance, he
I'll take the geckos on TV (and around our house) over them damn dancing
cavemen they're now using!
I turn the channel whenever they come on.
My kids hate 'em more than I do.
Makes me want to take a shotgun to the ol' 65 Hi-Def.
(Yes, you read correctly. Discovery Channel on our 65 Hi-Def
Mark,
I'm coming to your house as mine is only 52.
Geezer with less than 20-20 (but not much less).
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:37 PM
To: CaverArch; Fritz Holt; Don Cooper; o...@texascavers.com
Cc:
I completely concur with Gill and Fritz, hooray for Hippie Chicks young and
old!
Now some might wonder why a fellow from the flatlands of Florida would be so
interested in Texascaversdotcom. Here is the real reason.
I've been to a few Texas caves, but wasn't all that impressed. I like the
Gil,
I don't know how this discussion got started, but it certainly is
interesting to see how stories and facts and things change over time. I'll
comment a little on this, mostly from the standpoint of your and Geary's
comments, but there are many others around who could add more observation.
The controversy was Neptunism (what Bill described) versus Vulcanism
-- the idea that every thing was volcanic origin. It was important
because in britain they were trying in the 19th century to reconcile
the geologic record with the bible, and they had to know if they were
dating to Noah
John Brooks emailed me with a good idea:
Anyone care to write a review of this cinematographically inspired masterpiece?
www.rottentomatoes.com rates it as so-so.
Me?
I'd rather see Wall-E, Hellboy II, The Dark Knight, X Files, and anxiously
waiting for the new Coen Brothers movie (No
Mark Alman said:
Anyone care to write a review of this cinematographically inspired
masterpiece?
www.rottentomatoes.com rates it as so-so.
Surprisingly, searching the title Journey to the Center of the Earth
brings up a lot more movies than I knew existed. I got at least 8 hits.
Hi!
I just read the NY Times' review the movie. Ouch!
http://tinyurl.com/6fgurk
--
Six Flags Subterranean Style, or Something Like It
By A. O. SCOTT
... �Journey to the Center of the Earth,� a new movie that shares its
name with a beloved Jules Verne novel,...
...
Went on IMDb and found the latest review (8 stars):
Hey there! I was able to go to Knoxville, TN, to catch the world premiere of
this movie where I actually met Brendan Fraser, Josh Hutcherson, and the
director. They were all three very nice! The movie is very fun with not having
to think at
Maybe us cavers should make our on Movie. Since we all know so much about
caves.
- Original Message
From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com; Cavers Texas
texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:17:12 AM
Subject: RE:
AGREED!
On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:20 PM, mark gee wrote:
Maybe us cavers should make our on Movie. Since we all know so much
about caves.
- Original Message
From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com; Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
I hope there's a goose (eider duck?) in it. She saved the Pat Boone/James Mason
version.
And why isn't Bjork in it? Doesn't it start in Iceland?
T.
-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
Sent: Jul 10, 2008 8:03 PM
To: Mixon Bill
I see advertised in the newpaper a 3-D movie with that title, opening
nationwide. Is that sure to be a turkey, or what? -- Mixon
It's starring Brendan Frasier, so that's GARONTEED, as they say in NOLA.
But hey, it's in 3-D!
Alex
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Alex
Dang. I hate it when my digested list leaves me a full day behind on a hot
topic!
Alex
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For
Mark correctly opined --
Maybe it was someone else? Rick Wakeman of Yes had an album by that
name.
Definitely Rick Wakeman. I was there, too. Killer record!!
Alex
--
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NSS IT Committee
This is related to Cueva la Boca.
This is probably old news to some of you, as I recall it being mentioned
on CaveTex about 2 years ago, after I posted a trip report of taking my
family there.
A conservation group in Mexico is working to protect natural habitats.
Bill, you amaze me with your stories. That is a great one!
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
Here's a story for you all.
A few days after Christmas 1993 I got a phone call from a man who said he was
a producer with Disney films. I thought some caving friend of
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List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM
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To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Here's a story for you all.
A few days after
Charles,
Why thanks. True story.
Bill
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
Bill, you amaze me with your stories. That is a great one!
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
Here's a story for you all.
A few days after Christmas 1993 I got a
You lead a very interesting life, and I would like to see that script
sometime, see how it compares with the new movie.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
Charles,
Why thanks. True story.
Bill
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
Bill, you amaze
At 07:22 PM 7/11/2008, Katherine Arens wrote:
The controversy was Neptunism (what Bill described) versus Vulcanism
-- the idea that every thing was volcanic origin. It was important
because in britain they were trying in the 19th century to reconcile
the geologic record with the bible,
that's really wierd!
Apparently it is above the water table.
It otherwise seems that it would fill up with water.
-WaV
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:
Mark Minton wrote:
I haven't been in it, but there is such a cave right there in Texas.
Tarbutton's
Actually, there are a number of caves in various places where you can
walk or crawl under active flowing streams. Blackhouse Mountain Cave in
Tennessee is a great example as one of the passages in this multi-mile
long cave goes completely under a flowing stream and has an entrance on
both sides
Don Cooper said:
Tarbutton's Showerbath Cave in Hays County goes under the Blanco River, and
it is not a dive trip.
that's really wierd!
Apparently it is above the water table.
It otherwise seems that it would fill up with water.
It's the river that is (further) above the water
I seem to recall going into a cave north of CWAN back in the day, maybe it was
called Chimney Cave or something? It was in a definite karst area (no soil)
and had a ladder going down into the entrance pit. Beyond the entrance room,
it was a series of stoop walking passages with places to
Travis,
While I’ve moved to New Mexico, I continue for the time being to maintain the
TSS files for Kendall County (as well as Bexar and Comal). No cave in the files
is reported to extend under the Guadalupe River. Can you or Joe Ranzau (who I
know is neck-deep in wedding preparations and
The cave you are thinking of is on the Anderson ranch just north of
CWAN. The name is escaping me... Maybe Karen, Blair or Allen
remembers... Emory was the ranch hand.
To the best of my knowledge it doesn't go under the Guad. Not deep or
long enough. Only used one extension ladder (a long
I don’t have the topo maps with me at the moment, but by memory I agree that
area is about 100 ft higher in elevation than the river. I can provide the
exact numbers later if needed.
Also, to clarify something I wrote below, I implied that the entire Guadalupe
River was not a losing stream.
Ladder Cave, imagine that.
I was uncertain about the allegations about the cave going under the river,
hence what prompted me to verify. Too bad... Sorry to get anyone's hopes up...
Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest to remember :-) Ladder Cave it
is! George is it in the
I think the name of the cave is drum roll please. LADDER CAVE.
If my memory serves me correctly.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Joe Ranzau jran...@gmail.com wrote:
The cave you are thinking of is on the Anderson ranch just north of CWAN.
The name is escaping me... Maybe Karen,
Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest to remember :-) Ladder Cave
it is! George is it in the file? Should be from the KCCP days..
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Amanda Scott mamaarsc...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the name of the cave is drum roll please. LADDER CAVE.
If
No cave is listed by that name in Kendall County. Send me a location
off-post, and any other details you may have, so I can verify that this is a
new cave and not an known cave under a new name.
Thanks,
George
From: Amanda Scott [mailto:mamaarsc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11,
All of the collective caver minds can solve almost any cave problem/question
especially if it is in Texas
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:17 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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