Re: [Texascavers] Sac Actun and Dos Ojos connected

"Dry" cavers have considered Sac Actun and Dos Ojos to have been connected for a few years now. The connection was by way of a dry segment, which diving purists might not have counted. According to Jim Coke (QRSS), this new connection is an underwater one, so now everyone agrees that they're

[Texascavers] Article about Tom Iliffe.

There's an online article about Tom Iliffe and his career as a cave-diving biologist at . Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___

Re: [Texascavers] Resumideros del estado Guerrero

retire as a caver - if you dont mind the bandito-politics. On Dec 31, 2017 10:09 AM, "Mark Minton via Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote: David, Did you mean Mixtlancingo? If so, you've been scooped! SMES explored thos

[Texascavers] Mixtlancingo

David, Did you mean Mixtlancingo? If so, you've been scooped! SMES explored those resumideros and published an article and maps in AMCS Activities Newsletter no. 25 (2002). Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Sun, 31 Dec, 2017 at 12:32 AM, David via Texascavers

Re: [Texascavers] Just reminiscing - part 1 of 3

Rolf Adams was a fantastic caver and all around really nice guy. I had the pleasure of caving with him several times, including at Cueva Cheve in 1989. There is a photo of Rolf, Noel Sloan and me on the cover of the NSS history book "Caving in America". We were supposed to represent "modern"

Re: [Texascavers] Ammo can - Part 2

If you want to keep things protected and dry, the best choice is usually the Curtec drum (commonly called Darren drum). These are lightweight, waterproof, very robust, and can be used as camp seats as well as ferried through

Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

You can often buy good used wet suits from dive shops that sell off their older rental suits. This often happens in the fall. We used to get them that way regularly in Austin. Below is a message from a shop in Maine that's selling used suits now. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net From: Frank

Re: [Texascavers] Tentative road-trip

Those are pretty ambitious goals for a guy who hasn't done much caving lately, especially vertical. Even getting to either of those would take significant effort and time. Both are long drops. Good luck! Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Thu, 30 Nov, 2017 at 4:38 PM, David via Texascavers

Re: [Texascavers] Contact Info

Denise, Bill Liebman P.O. Box 11 Cass, WV 24927 304-456-3433 home caver2...@sunlitsurf.com Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Sun, 26 Nov, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Denise P via Texascavers wrote:   To: TexasCavers Cc: pepabe...@hotmail.com Paging Bill Liebman, or

Re: [Texascavers] Cuatro Cienagas question

You don't need to go far from Bustamante for good swimming. Just go out Bustamante Canyon to one of the swimming holes in the semi-developed park at the headwaters, or pull off at any one of many unofficial pools downstream of the park. There is also a commercialized swimming hole on the road

Re: [Texascavers] Doug Allen

Leslie Bell did just that a couple of hours before your post! On Wed, 8 Nov, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Stephen Gutting via Texascavers wrote:   To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: stephengutting2@gmail.comCan someone send an obituary for Doug, or at least a photo?

Re: [Texascavers] Just for fun

Wild guess: Bruce Morgan (Sleaseweasel) Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, 11 Oct, 2017 at 10:43 PM, David via Texascavers wrote:   To: CaveTex Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com Mystery Caver - October 2017 ___ Texascavers

Re: [Texascavers] Cave Diving in Budapest :

Molnár János is the longest actively thermal cave in the world, at something like 5 - 6 miles as best as I can determine. It's almost entirely underwater, as the article points out. Here in Virginia we're actively exploring Warm River Cave, which is a bit over 3.5 miles long at present and does

Re: [Texascavers] cave tours in the news

It's pretty bad, IMHO. For example: >Visitors will see thousands of stalactites, stalagmites and rare shield >formations throughout the gigantic cave. They were created when water rushing >through the cave, washed away the softer rock. Minerals in the dripping water >are left behind, creating

Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign

I also do not know the identity of the hidden caver in the orange helmet, but my guess would be Tom Shope. For the record, proper spellings are Bockelman and Thiesse. I have no idea who took the photo, but might be able to find out if I dig a bit. As to Nancy's red box, that's the

Re: [Texascavers] cavers in the news

That article claims that Meghalaya "harbours some of the longest and deepest cave systems in the world." Rather overstated in my opinion, since a check of Bob Gulden's World Long Cave list puts the longest cave in India at no. 99 in the world and the second

Re: [Texascavers] my unsubscribe call may result in a new caver in India!

Logan, I have a book called "Caves of India & Nepal" by H. Daniel Gebauer, published around 1983. If it's still available, it might be a good place for your friend to get acquainted with caves in India. There have been several recent expeditions to various parts of India, especially

Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

That big room, Muñeca Fea, is not a new discovery. The cave it is in is called Tlamanictli and t was found by a Belgian expedition back in 1999. They reported then that they had found a huge room, but because of limited lighting they didn't know how big. Laser scanning provided its true

Re: [Texascavers] Consumer tip - smartphones

I have a device (not a phone) with a USB C connector and it works fine. The biggest advantage to USB C is that the connector can be plugged in either way up - no more figuring out which way to plug it in. USB C cables are indeed typically more expensive in stores, but can be had cheaply online,

Re: [Texascavers] semi-final Road-Trip report

David, Give your old car to NPR via the Vehicle Donation Program. They'll take anything, even cars that don't run, and get something for it. If you abandon the car in Mexico you'll end up on their shit list and be banned from bringing in a vehicle in the future. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net

Re: [Texascavers] Some photos

Totally not true! You just have to be crafty. ;-) Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Mon, 19 Jun, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers wrote:   To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: scottd...@gmail.com No caver has ever been able to get that close to Bill's

Re: [Texascavers] electronic communication in caves

We've been using a version of that single-wire, earth-return cave telephone (Michie Phone) in Cheve and J2 for many years. They're great! At J2 in 2013 we had a line all the way from the bottom of the cave (-1200 m) to our base camp on top of the mountain a kilometer from the entrance.

Re: [Texascavers] caving in the news

It seems this guy doesn't know much about modern batteries and LED lights. He's apparently still using carbide because he says rechargeable batteries only last 5-6 hours and then you have to carry the dead weight of spent batteries. But with good, rechargeable 18650 lithium-ion batteries modern

[Texascavers] Bat Speak

The scientific journal "Nature" has an interesting article about a new in-depth study of bats' genes being started to learn about their complex vocalizations. You can read it at . Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

  We actually did that back in the ‘90s. Every grotto had a correspondent that wrote summaries of trip reports given at their meetings and then sent them to the Texas Caver editor. Each TC issue had a section on Grotto Reports or some such, with a paragraph or two from each grotto that sent in

Re: [Texascavers] Laptop question for cave mapping

The few people I've seen actually using a computer in-cave for mapping have used something smaller than a laptop, like a PDA (Palm Pilot, etc.) or even an old Android cell phone. I wonder how an actual laptop would hold up. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Thu, October 27, 2016 1:24 pm, Diana

Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

Here in the East at least one publication, The Potomac Caver, (from the non-NSS- affiliated Potomac Speleological Club) does exactly what Bill Mixon suggested. The editor gathers articles and trip reports that are posted on various email lists and elsewhere, and reprints them. I think very

Re: [Texascavers] cavers in the news

I visited Eagle Cave in July this year. Who knew there were caves in the Adirondacks?! There is no limestone in sight, but a few caves similar to Enchanted Rock do exist. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, September 28, 2016 3:40 am, David via Texascavers wrote: > a news story from the

[Texascavers] Fwd: NSS Cave Vandalism Deterrence Reward Commission

Possibly useful information on cave vandalism. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Original Message Subject: NSS Cave Vandalism Deterrence Reward Commission From:Sarah Richards Date:Fri, September 16, 2016 7:55 pm

Re: [Texascavers] Authors of scientific articles

As a scientist, I generally agree with the need for multiple "authors", including people who had nothing to do with actually writing an article. However it does seem to have gotten a bit out of control and now people are listed as authors who should more correctly be listed in the

Re: [Texascavers] animal tracks in caves

Must've been a dream. I was one of the principal explorers of Diamante, and I've never heard of this before. For one thing, there are essentially no stream passages in Diamante, and no mud islands that I'm aware of. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, August 26, 2016 1:41 pm, David via

Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves

I've seen porcupines in Texas caves as far back as the '80s. I also remember a couple of times that there were unusually large numbers of dead porcupines on the highways in central and west Texas. It was like they were involved in mass migrations and got caught in the crossfire. (I've similarly

Re: [Texascavers] Charlie Yates, old SWT caver, passed

Logan, I knew Charlie Yates only peripherally. I remember asking him about a lead in some West Texas cave (maybe HT Miers or one of the Langtry caves) back in the '80s. He was very forthcoming, even though he didn't know me personally. He seemed to be glad that old leads were being pursued. He

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Periscope downloads

Thanks, Katie! Where does David plan to archive these? I hope someone will put that video up on YouTube or Vimeo as has been suggested. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Mon, August 8, 2016 12:09 pm, Katherine Arens wrote: >To all: >David McKenzie found this — you might want it . . . >k >

Re: [Texascavers] Nuevo Laredo

We cross at Nuevo laredo on the way to and from Huautla every year, sometimes at Colombia and sometimes at the main crossing in town. It hasn't been a problem, and we never see anything out of the ordinary. However, we make a point of crossing in daylight, and we don't drive at night in general.

Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration

I have asked the Registration Chairperson to please post the list of registrants, so far to no avail. That list has traditionally been published so that people could check who they might know that was coming as well as that their own registration had been recorded properly. Unfortunately it

Re: [Texascavers] 1966 NSS Convention Photos

Speaking of being young, last spring in Huautla we inadvertently rediscovered one of the entrances to Nita Nanta. It wasn't immediately recognizable because the roads and trails had changed, and land use around the entrances had gone from farm fields to forest. The cave was resurveyed to a known

Re: [Texascavers] 1966 convention photos

I didn't know John Cooper personally, but a couple of years ago we made a connection between a couple of caves in Burnsville, Virginia and found his NSS number and others carbided on the wall near the connection point. We looked them up and remarkably most of those old-timers were still alive

Re: [Texascavers] 1966 NSS Convention Photos

When I started organized caving in 1968 I had neither tent nor sleeping pad. I'm not sure I even knew sleeping pads existed! My sleeping bag was one of those bulky old Coleman kapok bags. I had an army-surplus poncho that I threw over me if it rained. I got plenty wet inside due to condensation,

Re: [Texascavers] Citing previous posts

I second Geary's response. On the rare occasion that a thread is something I want to keep for the long term, I appreciate having all of the relevant emails quoted so that I only have to keep one email, rather than a bunch of them to get back to the earlier conversation. It costs almost nothing

Re: [Texascavers] related to Bata Boots

I haven't used Bata Boots for several years, but I was unaware of the change of manufacturer to Onguard and now, apparently, Dunlop. Bata still exists , but they no longer seem to make the classic "Bata" boot that cavers used. When I was buying them (bulk

Re: [Texascavers] Old Rope

On Mon, June 27, 2016 1:29 pm, David via Texascavers wrote: > All of my PMI caving ropes are old now, but have been in nylon sacks > in a dry rental storage unit for over nearly 20 years. So not sure if > I would use them in a pit or not. My 600 foot rope only has been in one > dry cave entrance.

[Texascavers] New Cave Paintings in Mexico

Newly discovered "cave" paintings are creating quite a stir in Mexican archaeology circles. I suspect the "caves" in question are really just rock shelters; Burgos is east of Linares and north of Cd. Victoria. Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] A question and a comment concerning Cass

On Thu, June 23, 2016 12:35 pm, Sleazeweazel via Texascavers wrote: -- > As to Cass being cold and wet, that's a fact! There used to be a sign by > the drop announcing that you would die if you went down by the waterfall. > That left the belay loft where you could easily get

Re: [Texascavers] Inner Space Caverns

Was one of the other caves on Laubach's place called Steam Cave? That was one of the first Texas caves I ever visited, while passing through on my first trip to Mexico in 1968 (I'm old, too...). ;-) Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Thu, June 23, 2016 12:25 pm, Sam Young via Texascavers wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Cass Cave

Unfortunately, Cass Cave has been closed to general caving for several years. Even when we did the resurvey for the monograph David referenced , it was otherwise closed. Occasional work trips may be arranged by special permission for a select

Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo

vers wrote: > so who took the picture? > > nancy > >> On Jun 20, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >> Attached is a photo showing cavers in the Cuetzalan (Puebla, Mexico) >> field house in

Re: [Texascavers] Rick Rigg

gt;>> Top row: left to right me (Frank Binney), you (Mark Minton), Lisa >>> Wilk >>> Bottom row: Norm Pace, Bill Liebman, Rick Rigg >>> Frank >>> >>> Frank Binney >>> Frank Binney & Associates >>> Interpretive Planning and Media

Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo

ice > 415.488.1500 Fax > 415.999.0556 Mobile > fr...@frankbinney.com > > On 6/20/16, 6:22 PM, "Texacavers on behalf of Mark Minton via > Texascavers" wrote: > >> Attached is a photo showing cavers in the Cuetzalan (Puebla, Mexico) >>field house in 1980, about 35 year

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Link to special issue of Journal of Earth Sciences (BGM), Large Karst Systems of the World

The contents are also available in English at . It's annoying that there doesn't seem to be a way to download the entire issue as a single document, and I couldn't find any way to download the front matter listed in the Index. Nonetheless, some

Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

On Mon, June 20, 2016 7:32 am, Mark Alman wrote: >- > When it's 100+ outside, caving is about the last thing on my mind. > > (Yes, there IS more to life than caving.) Actually, I think that is exactly the right time to go caving! Where else do you get free air conditioning? I

[Texascavers] Lesotho Cave History

CNN story about burial caves in Lesotho, southern Africa: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Unsigned Posts

Actually, the headers on most of the recent Texascaver posts do give the name of the sender. For instance Jim Kennedy's showed up in my inbox as "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" (see reply header below). What is _not_ shown is the sender's email address, so it's not

Re: [Texascavers] Devils Sinkhole trip

As the inimitable Mike Boon once said in his old age, "the mind is willing but the body ain't." Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Thu, March 31, 2016 8:44 pm, Charles Loving via Texascavers wrote: > Good idea. It has been a long, long time since I even considered > descending into a pit. The

Re: [Texascavers] March Government Canyon Karst Project Report

Marvin, et al., The climb out of the tight fissure in Lilyhammer Cave sounds like a perfect place for a spike or two. For the last couple of years in VA and WV we have been using 8-inch by 3/8-inch landscape spikes for foot- and handholds on climbs. These are available at Lowe's for about .50

[Texascavers] Caves in National Parks

There was a collection of stories about Jewel and Wind Caves in the Los Angeles Times last month: . Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list |

[Texascavers] Monica Ponce

There's an interview with Mexican caver Monica Ponce in the Spanish journal Gota a Gota at (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4JcDrAba_RPRmdoSHpabkV0bFU/view). Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry

Herman, What brand of rope is it, and what is your cost? I can think of a project or two that might be interested. 10mm is the sweet spot between heavy, stiff 11mm and light, not-very-abrasion-resistant 9mm. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 11, 2015 7:05 pm, Herman Miller via

Re: [Texascavers] Big and Texas

Not necessarily. What about Kickapoo Caverns? Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 11, 2015 12:39 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: > Big and texas cant go together in a sentence if its cave

Re: [Texascavers] Tags for Rigging Anchors

Such ID tags for anchors have been discussed many times over the years, but I've never seen them implemented. I don't know why - probably too much trouble to coordinate, produce and distribute such tags. The circumstances where rigging tags would be useful are variable. In an on-going

Re: [Texascavers] Secrecy

I have heard it said that if you explore a cave but do not survey, take photos and/or write it up, then it didn't happen. That may be true from the perspective of the wider caver community and posterity, but the effect on the cave will likely be irrevocable. Unless no one ever goes there again,

Re: [Texascavers] Drones for rigging

ing out high > leads. > > Wm > > -Original Message- > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Minton via Texascavers > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:00 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascaver

Re: [Texascavers] Drones for rigging

Here is a link to a (no doubt pricey) "collision-proof" drone: . The cage likely reduces payload for other things, but it might at least work with a video camera for recon, even if it couldn't do any rigging. Another lightweight option would be to use a drone to

[Texascavers] Drones for rigging

Here's a video from a European caving forum showing drones being used to rig a rope bridge strong enough for humans to cross. This could have practical application for caving, at least if you could see well enough and trust the anchors.

Re: [Texascavers] John Cooper

I didn't know John Cooper personally, but a year and a half ago we made a connection between a couple of caves in Burnsville, Virginia and found his NSS number carbided on the wall near the connection point. We looked him up and sent him an email with the news. He responded positively and

Re: [Texascavers] SuperSpeleOlympics

Here are a couple of ideas that might work in a special speleolympics. Many years ago at OTR in West Virginia there was an obstacle "rope" climb. In addition to lengths of rope with different diameters and a couple of knots, it also included a length of chain and a piece of water pipe with a

[Texascavers] Fwd: Measuring Strike and Dip With a DistoX

Greg Springer of WVACS has developed an easy method for measuring strike and dip in a cave using a DistoX. See his email below, forwarded with permission. Mark Minton Original Message Subject: Measuring Strike and Dip With a DistoX

Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave rescue manual

Back in the '80s, some Swiss cavers on a recon mission on Cerro Rabon (highlands east of Huautla, Oaxaca, Mexico) did a 200-meter drop on 8-mm rope. They were used to skinny rope, but that was extreme even for them. Afterwards they said, Our eyes were very wide! 8-mm rope gets really small when

Re: [Texascavers] trip report: Punkin Cave survey expedition #24

Jim, I share your pain about recovering survey stations. I have been party to several connections that relied on old stations, usually carbided, but few people are equipped to mark such stations nowadays. As you pointed out, flagging tape is obviously not secure due to mice, crickets, etc.

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

Thanks, Jill. The PDF version of issue 2 works well, but the ePub version is a repeat of issue 1. I tried changing the 01 to a 02 in the URL link, but that didn't work either (404 error - Not Found). Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Sun, August 9, 2015 8:53 pm, Jill Orr via Texascavers wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Global Underwater Explorers

There's a difference between having standards for performance/proficiency and mandating the type of equipment one uses. As Fofo said, some expeditions require participants to pass a rebelay course, but none that I've been on specify what type of vertical gear you must use. As long as you pass

[Texascavers] Bolt Hangers on Sale

For anyone interested in bolt hangers, Fixe is currently having a sale. You can get 100 stainless steel 3/8 hangers for $195 plus shipping: http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=67faa5c76154c98391524647aid=2635b16bbbe=5764f0b017. I just ordered a batch. Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] TSA magazine

Jill, The point is, we'd like a higher resolution version available as standard PDF. The ePub version is not universally accessible at present. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Sat, May 2, 2015 8:21 pm, Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers wrote: All, On the webpage with links to the Texas

Re: [Texascavers] Soak your rope?

Frank, et al. Sorry for the late response. I've been in Huautla for the past three weeks. I was always of the pre-soak your rope camp myself, for exactly the reasons stated. However when we recently inquired of PMI about that practice, they recommended against it. PMI said that every time a

Re: [Texascavers] TSA magazine

Jill, Would you please post the current Texas Caver to the Members Area of the TSA web site in ordinary PDF format at higher resolution? My computer will not read the epub format; I always get an error when I try to open Adobe Digital Editions (Windows XP). Thanks! Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] UT/USS Grotto meeting 4/1!

Yvonne Droms and I plan to be at the meeting, or at least at the Posse afterwards if our plane is delayed. We'll be passing through on our way to Mexico (Huautla). Mark Minton On Sat, March 28, 2015 9:52 pm, Mimi Alexander via Texascavers wrote: Evening, cavers! At the grotto meeting this

Re: [Texascavers] .rar file

Bill, I can open it, as can probably anyone with a modern Windows computer since .RAR is a Windows format. The files are compressed, so the opened result will likely be larger, possibly much larger. Mark On Wed, March 18, 2015 12:15 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Someone in Mexico

Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock

Ernie, You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, Live long and prosper! Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio

[Texascavers] SubTropolis

There was a story on NPR's Market Place on Wednesday about an abandoned limestone mine turned into an underground secure industrial park. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/subtropolis-yeah-its-pretty-underground. I'd heard of such places before, and in fact anyone who went to the NSS

Re: [Texascavers] mystery NSS News article

Bill, If you read the entire article, you'll see in the second-to-last paragraph it says, This is a work trip; anyone wishing to sign on for any part of the time should contact me, John Bridges, Cascade Caverns, Route 1 Box 57A, Boerne, Texas 78006... So, the author must be John Bridges. Mark

[Texascavers] International Exploration session announcement

Speakers requested for the International Exploration session 2015 NSS Convention in Waynesville, MO Deadline: April 15th, 2015 Have you been caving outside of the United States? Come share your underground adventures in exotic lands with your fellow cavers. The International Exploration

Re: [Texascavers] website of vertical devices

Logan, Thanks for posting this link. Gary had his collection posted online for several years, but took the pages down a few years ago. It's nice to see them back up again. Thanks, Gary! Mark On Fri, February 13, 2015 12:36 pm, Logan McNatt via Texascavers wrote: Dr. Gary Storrick (NSS

[Texascavers] Google Earth Pro

Google Earth Pro is now free. Used to cost $399. See http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2015/01/google-earth-pro-is-now-free.html. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com |

Re: [Texascavers] Spelunking draws tourists to caverns in Mexican Gulf state

The story of Sotano de Tomasa Kiahua (caver spelling) is in AMCS Activities Newsletter No. 12, p. 62-66 (1982), available for free download at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/12.html. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, January 28, 2015 5:28 am, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: Tourism

Re: [Texascavers] El Sotano del Barro jeep expedition

Bill Mixon beat me to it. The coordinates for El Sotano are 21 18 39 N, 99 40 02 W. I had heard some years ago that there was a better way to hike to El Sotano from a then-new road rather than the original route, which started at the highway at the bottom of the mountain. It's too bad Google

[Texascavers] Volcano in Colima, Mexico

A volcano in Colima, Mexico erupted on Wednesday. There is a cool video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHNQB8-mvQw. There are also longer versions if you search for volcan Colima on YouTube. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___ Texascavers

Re: [Texascavers] Underground bike park in Kentucky's Mega Cavern

I'd say even less impact than the mine in Indiana. There they drove trucks and buses around underground. Presumably that doesn't happen as much in a bike park. ;-) Mark On Fri, January 23, 2015 1:56 am, Stephen Fleming via Texascavers wrote: Being an abandoned mine, no impacts at all and

[Texascavers] Fish Under the Ice in Antarctica

Not exactly caving, but certainly a remote and extreme environment. Fish and other marine life have been observed in a small slice of liquid water 740 meters below the ice in Antarctica: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/discovery-fish-live-beneath-antarctica1/. Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] another reporter story

On Mon, January 19, 2015 12:57 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: One of the more entertaining interviews has one TV reporter asking Ron Kerbo if the rescue personnel had enough food, water, and air. Kerbo just calmly assumed him that they did. That was Bryant Gumbel on the Today show.

Re: [Texascavers] Reporters

Bill Mixon's comment reminds me of something that happened during Emily Mobley's rescue at Lechuguilla in 1991. The place was a total zoo with reporters running around at all hours of the day and night. (Including a Japanese TV reporter doing a live broadcast from the parking lot at 2 a.m.) Ron

[Texascavers] Fun in Moab

Fun in Moab: http://www.redbull.com/us/en/adventure/stories/1331698545913/discover-the-pentagon-the-best-multi-line-slackline?wtk=us28linkId=11725551 Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] reporters

My experience with reporters has generally been less accommodating than George's. Most have not been willing to allow me to review their work before publication. A couple of notable exceptions have been The New Yorker and National Geographic, both of which seem to be very conscientious about

Re: [Texascavers] NSS video salon question

Mallory, The video you want is called Abigail's Underground and can be previewed on the 2014 Video Salon page at http://caves.org/committee/salons/Video_2014_Winners.shtml. A DVD can be ordered here: https://caves.org/service/avlibrary/dvd_catalog.htm. I watched a bit of it during the

[Texascavers] Fwd: DistoX2s For Sale

Attention surveyors: John Harman has been assembling Disto X2 digital survey instruments for a few months now. These units are fantastic! They are waterproof (IP-65) and contain a rechargeable lithium-polymer battery that reduces the need for recalibration. (The first calibration is already

Re: [Texascavers] some Boon info

I have a story about Mike Boon and Caña. During the 1980 Polish rescue in San Agustín (the one Boon wrote the booklet about that Bill Mixon mentioned), Boon prepared a duffel bag to be sent down the cave for his use when he was slated to go to camp a couple of days later. Whoever was assigned

[Texascavers] New Bat Echolocation Strategy

Some old-world fruit bats that do not echolocate by vocalizations can nevertheless perform crude echolocation by clicking their wings. See article in Current Biology (subscription only): http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2814%2901425-0. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net

Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas. Mark mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and corredor would be the

Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

Nico, I think you're right. The photo looks like something in the Birthday Passage, known for 30 years or more to Texans. It's a sporting and exposed climb to get up there, so maybe the coahuilense thought it hadn't been done. Hopefully they won't get credit for long, once someone points out

Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

, Mark Minton via Texascavers wrote: Nico, I think you're right. The photo looks like something in the Birthday Passage, known for 30 years or more to Texans. It's a sporting and exposed climb to get up there, so maybe the coahuilense thought it hadn't been done. Hopefully they won't get credit

[Texascavers] Karst Information Portal

George, According to the Karst Information Portal home page, grotto newsletters are soon to be withdrawn from open access. That seems like addressing the potential problem of location information with a sledgehammer. What's the point of having things on KIP if no one can get to them? Maybe

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