Re: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks for sharing!
-Andy
Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks LaneDriftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Monday, January 4, 2021, 09:54:55 AM CST, Bill Steele 
 wrote:  
 
 
Speaking of first-person-on-the-moon Neil Armstrong, I methim and spoke with 
him about the caving expedition he went on to Cueva de losTayos in Ecuador.  
Through my job as anational-level staff member of the Boy Scouts of America, I 
worked with aviatorSteve Fossett. Fossett died in a plane crash. I went to his 
memorial in Chicago.I spotted Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Scott Carpenter, and 
Richard Bransonthere. 

After the memorial there was a reception in a big hall overlookingLake 
Michigan. The event was at the Adler Planetarium. I was talking withpeople and 
saw Neil Armstrong and his wife entering the hall. The body languageof the 
people was interesting. One of the world’s most famous people and peoplewere 
jockeying to be in his path to meet him. I didn’t worry about it and gotanother 
scotch instead. 

A little while later I realized that Armstrong and wife wereright behind me. I 
turned around, introduced myself, and said to Neil, “I knowabout the cave 
exploration expedition you went on in 1976 to a cave in Ecuadorwith the 
British.” 

He said, “You do, how do you know about that?” I told himthat I’m an active 
caver and pretty well read on it. He wanted to talk about it.He held out his 
hands to show me how big the spiders were in the jungle. Peoplestanding around 
seemed curious what we were talking about. I got the impressionthat Armstrong 
was tired of talking about the moon. 

A little while later I walked up to Buzz Aldrin, introducedmyself, and said, “I 
saw you on TV punch that guy who accosted you screaming thatthe moon landing 
was faked. 

Aldrin said, “Yeah, goddamnit, cost me $10,000 in lawyer’sfees, but it sure 
felt good when I connected!” as he held up his fist. 

Three years ago, I rented a car in London and drove aroundthe British Isles for 
three weeks. I contacted a caver couple I had met in Alberta,Canada at caver 
Mike Boon’s memorial. The couple invited me to stay with them afew days in 
Leeds, England, and I did. In their hallway I saw a photo of theman of the 
couple posing with Neil Armstrong in Cueva de los Tayos. He’d partneredwith 
Armstrong on the expedition. 

And Sir Richard Branson, the Virgin Records and airline guy,I only met him 
while standing at a urinal. I said hello. I did not shake his hand.
Bill Steele 
speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Los Tayos in Ecuador?  Didn't some cavers take Neil Armstrong there? 
Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks LaneDriftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 06:07:07 PM CST, Reddell, James R 
 wrote:  
 
 Did they mention the treasure the aliens left when they made the cave?
James Cokendolpher and I described a new genus and species of troglobitic 
Schizomida (Tayos ashmolei) from the cave. JamesFrom: Texascavers 
 on behalf of Mark Minton 

Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:25 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; 'Southwestern 
Cavers of the National Speleological Society' 
Subject: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos 
Interesting article about “the world’s most mysterious cave”: 
. The 
article mentions cavers needing to get both permission from the locals and the 
blessing of the cave itself, a scenario familiar to recent Huautla cavers. The 
cave appears to be huge, but surprisingly a geologist was quoted saying that it 
was only 25,000 – 30,000 years old. Also of note was that the recent visitors 
rappelled in, but were hauled out by the locals—up a 200-foot drop!

 

Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Done!

Andrew. Gluesenkamp PhD 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 04:54:35 PM CDT, George Veni 
 wrote:  
 
  
It actually took about a minute for me to vote if you include the time to watch 
the nice video on the project.
 
  
 
Thanks for sending this.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George  Veni, PhD
 
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
 
and
 
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
 
  
 
NCKRI address (primary)
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue 
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
 
Office: +575-887-5517
 
Mobile: +210-863-5919
 
Fax: +575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org
 
  
 
UIS address
 
Titov trg 2
 
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
 
www.uis-speleo.org
 
www.iyck2021.org
 
  
 
  
 
From: Texascavers On Behalf Of Jon
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October, 2020 15:04
To: texascavers 
Subject: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone
 
  
 
In a geologic way this is cave related.  The San Marcos Greenbelt Alliance 
promotes purchasing environmentally sensitive land around San Marcos to protect 
the land by making it parkland with a greenbelt trail system. This land is 
mostly aquifer recharge zone.  Please consider helping them get this funding.  
See Below an excerpt from their newsletter:
 
  
 
Take 10 seconds (no joke) to help the San Marcos Greenbelt Alliance! The winner 
of this national voting process will receive $50,000 for their organization! 
This money will be used to expand and improve the local natural areas and 
trails. Sherwood is a founding member of the Greenbelt Alliance and has done so 
much for the community of San Marcos. We can’t thank him enough. Go Sherwood 
Go!!!
You can vote once from any email address by October 15th.
 
https://www.coxconservesheroes.com/vote
 
  
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Jon
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Re: [Texascavers] Merit Award

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Way to Go!
Andrew. Gluesenkamp PhD 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 11:01:14 PM CDT, Marvin Miller 
 wrote:  
 
 Congratulations to Ben Hutchins for a Merit Award for the map of Double Decker 
Cave at the NSS Convention, and an Honorable Mention for the map of The Big 
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Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I've never rocked Bill's pack but I did get him to, unwittingly, tow me most of 
the way to the QR series in HCC by hanging onto his trailing boogie board 
tether.  *Love ya, Bill!
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 04:29:14 AM CST, Galen Falgout 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a video from the same trip and I caught Bill "accidentally" rocking 
someone's pack 
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 1:26 PM Bill Steele  wrote:

https://youtu.be/70bB7BffJlY

On Jan 6, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Geary Schindel  
wrote:



Folks,

I'm doing some research on the use of culverts to secure cave entrances in 
overburden.

Does anyone have a couple pictures of the shaft and lowering operation in Honey 
Creek Cave.

Thanks,

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] Unusual cave fatality

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks for telling it like it is, KA!
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Thursday, November 7, 2019, 03:29:51 PM CST, Katherine Arens 
 wrote:  
 
 man impinges on the personal space of a lava tube and is vanquished   . . . .

On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:



Cave gobbles up man in his own backyard:


little bit of anthropomorphizing there
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Re: [Texascavers] Anybody want some old NSS News?

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Oh, hell yeah!  I've been torn trying to decide what to do with mine.  
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 12:31:41 PM CDT, Jim Kennedy 
 wrote:  
 
 The TSS will always take donations like that. 
Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Roadrunner  wrote:


Cleaning up — I’ve got a banker's box full of issues of the NSS News from the 
late 90’s to mid-2000’s. Free to a good home.
They‘ll go in the recycling in a month or so if I don’t hear from anyone.
Chris Vreelandcvreeland@mac.com512-289-3510




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Re: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

There are Eurycea in Spring Creek Cave.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 09:21:01 PM CDT, George Veni  
wrote:  
 
 
Spring Creek Cave is the only cave on the El Max that I recall having perennial 
water to potentially supportEurycea.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George  Veni, PhD
 
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
 
and
 
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
 
  
 
NCKRI address (primary)
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue 
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
 
Office: +575-887-5517
 
Mobile: +210-863-5919
 
Fax: +575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org 
 
  
 
UIS address
 
Titov trg 2
 
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia 
 
www.uis-speleo.org
 
  
 
From: Texascavers On Behalf Of 
grub...@centurytel.net
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 20:05
To: texascavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
 
  
 
What I'd like to find is references to any articles that William wrote or talks 
he gave at TSA ec It'd also be nice to find what caves are in the area he was 
talking about.  Sam S Sweet remembers William mentioning the El Max but they 
didnt find any salamander caves there so its not in his notes ( Sam was a grad 
student from Berkley who worked on Eurycea salamanders in the 70s and made 
really good field notes that present day salamander workers find very useful)  
The El Max was 7200 acres so 12 square miles or 3 x 4 mile sized ranch
 
  
 
From:"George Veni" 
To: "texascavers" 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 10:00:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
 
  
 
Andy,
 
  
 
There are many caves on the former El Max Ranch. The stratigraphy of the area 
needs a closer look. To the east at Honey Creek we see a well-defined and 
distinctive 9-m thick biostrome (a fossil reef bed) in which Honey Creek Cave 
is formed. That biostrome unit isn't exposed in the El Max/CWAN area. Those 
caves are stratigraphically higher in a part of the lower member of the Glen 
Rose that clearly forms abundant caves there, but relatively few and smaller 
caves to the east. Maybe this is simply a bias created by the properties cavers 
had had permission to explore, or maybe there is something going on 
geologically creating a true difference in cave development.
 
  
 
The USGS has conducted detailed geologic mapping north of Bexar County. They 
recently completed some nice work in Comal County. I don't recall if they told 
me they would be mapping in Kendall County, which would help answer these 
questions, or if they just hoped for funding to map that county. Geary might 
know. 
 
  
 
George 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
(Sent from my mobile phone)
 

 
George  Veni, PhD
 
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
 
and
 
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
 



 
NCKRI address (primary)
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue 
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
 
Office: +575-887-5517
 
Mobile: +210-863-5919
 
Fax: +575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org 
 



 
UIS address
 
Titov trg 2
 
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia 
 
  
 
  
 
 Original message 
 
From:grub...@centurytel.net 
 
Date: 8/17/19 19:56 (GMT-07:00)
 
To: texascavers 
 
Subject: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
 
  
 
Does anyone remember the caves on the El Max ranch, Kendall county ?  Does 
anyone remember anything about the El Max limestone ?  Way back in the 60s 
cavers went to caves there.  Bill Russell gave a talk, maybe wrote some 
articles in the Texas Caver at the time about the geology of that area.  He 
suggested using the name El Max limestone for a very cavernous section of the 
lower Glen Rose limestone that was prominently exposed on the El Max ranch.  
These would be caves near the Guadalupe river ( I think)  same sort of geologic 
setting as Cave-with out a name, Spring Creek, Alzafar water cave.  I remember 
talking to William about this back in the 70s when we were looking for cave 
salamanders and Kendall county was one of our favorite places to go.  I also 
sort of remember seeing something in a old TC or TSA convention notes. Looking 
up the El Max ranch it was 7200 acres and had Guadalupe river frontage.  Part 
of it is now the Cordierra Ranch subdivision. 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

He cast one heck of a tall shadow.  We will all miss him terribly.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Friday, August 16, 2019, 06:47:15 AM CDT, Vivian Loftin 
 wrote:  
 
     I'm sorry to report that Ernie Garza has drawn his last breaths. It's 
official as of 4:30am. He went peacefully in the end. It was my great honor to 
be holding his hand as he crossed over into limitless virgin passage. So much 
to say about this wonderful man. He had such a strong will, just as tough as 
they come, and full of human kindness. Gonna miss you, buddy.
Vivian Loftin
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Re: [Texascavers] pdf of article

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

It will be published by TSS.  I'd be happy to have you go through the ms once 
Katie's ready.  I'm sure she would appreciate it as well.-Andy (TSS Editor)
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Monday, June 17, 2019, 11:35:24 AM CDT, Chris Vreeland 
 wrote:  
 
 Also, would be happy to proofread, since you covered my ass so many times with 
the TX Caver.
On Jun 17, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Katherine Arens  wrote:



there’s a bunch in 50 years of tx caving.  And we’re working on a longer 
obituary for nss news.  I think Susan Souby is working on Bill Mixon’s (or was 
it Don broussard’s — i’m spacy).  I think NSS News is where this is actually 
happening,.this was just because of the preserve name.  And The Caves of Travis 
County book is almost done.  William finished the text before he got really 
sick and got it to the point where he was collecting updates from the new crowd 
of diggers.  I have about a montth’s work on it to do, waiting on Reddell for 
the rest of the Biology (which was what william would have done).Katie

On Jun 17, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Tim Stich  wrote:
I liked that story, but it was all too short. 

Given that a lot of history exists for Texas, and specifically Austin cavers, 
is there any chance someone is compiling more complete stories about guys like 
William? 
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Re: [Texascavers] Pseudogynoascus destructans in Texas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I meant to type "Pd", not "Bd".  Bd is a fungus that is killing amphibians, 
another issue we are dealing with in Texas.  If anyone is interested in how Bd 
and caves are related, check out this paper:
GluesenkampA, Muscher-Hodges B, Lee M, Sandoval, N, and Fenolio, DB. 2018. 
Sampling for Batrachochytriumdendrobatidis and B. salamandrivorans in the Texas 
Blind Salamander(Eurycea rathbuni). Herpetological Review, 49(1), 44–46. 


Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:51:26 AM CDT, George Veni  
wrote:  
 
  
Dear Fellow Texas Cavers,
 
  
 
I just received the following message from the US Fish and Wildlife Service 
with the two attached files:
 
  
 
“Texas Parks and Wildlife Department has released their results from Pd and WNS 
surveillance efforts for this past winter.  The results show detections of 
evidence of Pd in a number of counties in central and eastern counties. It's 
important to note that they have not yet confirmed the disease in any Texas 
bats, but they have found the fungus on three species.“
 
  
 
Dear Fellow New Mexico Cavers,
 
  
 
Pd is on the doorstep.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George Veni, Ph.D.
 
Executive Director
 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
 
Office: 575-887-5517
 
Mobile: 210-863-5919
 
Fax: 575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org
 
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Pseudogynoascus destructans in Texas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

WNS researchers found no evidence of Bd on bats they swabbed at the cave in 
Blanco Co.  This is a relief since it had been detected there previously.  
Vigilance and hygiene, my friends!AGG
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:51:26 AM CDT, George Veni  
wrote:  
 
  
Dear Fellow Texas Cavers,
 
  
 
I just received the following message from the US Fish and Wildlife Service 
with the two attached files:
 
  
 
“Texas Parks and Wildlife Department has released their results from Pd and WNS 
surveillance efforts for this past winter.  The results show detections of 
evidence of Pd in a number of counties in central and eastern counties. It's 
important to note that they have not yet confirmed the disease in any Texas 
bats, but they have found the fungus on three species.“
 
  
 
Dear Fellow New Mexico Cavers,
 
  
 
Pd is on the doorstep.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George Veni, Ph.D.
 
Executive Director
 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
 
Office: 575-887-5517
 
Mobile: 210-863-5919
 
Fax: 575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org
 
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological Investigations 
of Troglobitic Eurycea) report and am ever amazed at the effort and 
thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years old, it remains 
a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map that will eventually 
lead to the rediscovery of Eurycea robusta.  I just wish Bill could be here 
when we find it.  
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan  
wrote:  
 
  Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g. March 
1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but not a 
complete  collection or list. Does anyone have those?
 
 On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
  
 
 thanks, bill for reminding us katie
  
 On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele  wrote: 
  The two highest awards awarded by the National Speleological Society (NSS), 
considered to be equally the highest, are the Honorary Member Award  and the 
William J. Stephenson Award for Outstanding Service. Bill Russell received the 
Honorary Member Award in 1998. Other Texans, or cavers or cave scientists from 
Texas or who moved to Texas, who have received it are Bill Elliott, Merlin 
Tuttle and Jim Goodbar.  
  See this link for information about the award and a list of recipients.  
  http://caves.org/committee/award/honorary.shtml 
  Bill Steele  speleoste...@aol.com  
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell going home tomorrow

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

That's wonderful news!
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:00:25 AM CST, Katherine Arens 
 wrote:  
 
  Dear all,William is going home on Friday, 1 March.  He’s still not very 
mobile, but feel free to drop in.  Let me know and i’ll give you directionskatie
Katherine Arens       Phones: Office(512) 
232-6363ar...@austin.utexas.edu  Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123Dept. of Germanic 
Studies    FAX (512) 471-40252505 University Ave, C3300 Bldg.Location:  Burdine 
336University of Texas at AustinOffice:  Burdine 320Austin, TX  78712-1802      
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Re: [Texascavers] Join Us for World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology and the NSS. Presenter: George Veni

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Really?  ESB is the same week as ICSB?  That kinda thins the audiences at both.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Thursday, August 16, 2018, 4:03:38 PM CDT, George Veni  
wrote:  
 
 
Actually, I don’t think “Veni” is an unusual name at all. I write it several 
times a day whereas I only write “Schindel” about once every week or two.
 
  
 
More seriously, I’m leaving soon for the UIS Bureau meeting, which will be held 
in conjunction with the EuroSpeleo, the European Speleological Congress, next 
week. We have some big decisions to make, so while part of the webinar will be 
background information, it will also have some brand new news.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George Veni, PhD
 
Executive Director
 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
 
and
 
President
 
International Union of Speleology (UIS)
 
  
 
Direct address at NCKRI
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
 
Office: +1-575-887-5517
 
Mobile: +1-210-863-5919
 
Fax: +1-575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org
 
  
 
UIS address:
 
Titov trg 2
 
6230 Postojna
 
Slovenia
 
www.uis-speleo.org
 
  
 
From: swrcav...@googlegroups.com [mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
Of Geary Schindel
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 15:47
To: SWR Cavers Group ; varlis...@vt.edu; 
'texascavers@texascavers.com' 
Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Join Us for World Speleology: The International Union of 
Speleology and the NSS. Presenter: George Veni
 
  
 
Folks,
 
  
 
As has been pointed out to me, George’s name was misspelled in the subject 
area. The correct spelling is George Veni.
 
  
 
As you all realize, Veni is an unusual name and spell check doesn’t like it. I 
think we got it right in the body of the test. The person that sent me the link 
indicated that she had caught the misspellings but guess she didn’t catch them 
all. I really had to look again to find it and then saw it in the subject area. 
Anyway, I’ll check with George about possibly auctioning off renaming rights to 
help support NCKRI. Might make it easier for everyone – including George.
 
  
 
Geary Schindel
 

  
 
  
 
Have you ever wondered about international caving projects and how to be a part 
of them?? Our next webinar will be given by George Veni, the President of the 
International Union of Speleology (UIS). George will explain the UIS, its 
mission and how you can be involved!
 
  
 
Please forward this email to your friends and anyone that may be interested, 
and join us for our next great webinar.
 
  
 
Cave safely,
 
Debbie Spoons
 
NSS Webinar Chair
 
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World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology (UIS) and the NSS. 
Presenter: George Veni President of the UIS
 
Join us for a webinar on Sep 18, 2018 at 8:00 PM CDT, which is, 9PM EDT/ 7PM 
MDT/ 6PM PDT. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
 
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Cavers know about caving opportunities and needs in their area. Many have a 
pretty good idea of what’s happening nationally, but what about caving at the 
global level?
Does it even affect you? 
Can you get involved, and if so, how? 

The International Union of Speleology (abbreviated “UIS”) is essentially the 
United Nations of caving. It is composed of 54 member nations, working together 
to advance cave and karst research and management, and especially exploration, 
which makes everything else possible. The NSS represents the US to the UIS. 

This webinar will give you the basic background on the UIS and focus on its 
many projects around the world, how they merge with the goals of the NSS, and 
how you can join them—even without leaving home.
For a pre-webinar preview of the UIS, visit www.uis-speleo.org.

George Veni is a long-time caver and lifetime NSS member who has been active in 
many NSS and regional caving projects. For nearly the past 12 years he has been 
best known as the Executive Director of the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute, (NCKRI). Since 2002 he has served on the UIS Bureau (governing 
board), first as an Adjunct Secretary, and then eight years as the Vice 
President of Administration. For the past year George has served as the only, 
UIS President from the USA.

This webinar, and all webinars are recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org for later viewing and downloading. 
The opinions and views in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS. 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and dead vehicles

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

If the sedan is a Saturn, it belongs to don Cooper. Also, Terry indicated an 
interest in the Toyota.  

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> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:
> 
> I’m clearing up Ernie Garza’s place and having dead, abandoned vehicles 
> hauled off.  If you left a 2 door sedan or catamaran in his yard, please 
> contact me immediately to have it removed or hauled away.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] car inspection needed

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Did Galen not come through?  I'm booked for the next week but can help if he 
can't. 

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> On Jun 24, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> I need mu car taken for inspection (Travis County, manual transmission). 
> Phone (512) 288-4991.  -- Bill Mixon
> 
> A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Galen is the guy if it needs to go to Travis Co.  
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Friday, June 15, 2018, 11:18:30 AM CDT, Mixon Bill 
 wrote:  
 
 Galen --It is registered in Travis County. Hays County does not have the 
anti-pollution rules that Travis has, so Hays County inspectors might not be 
equipped to do that test.

Andy Gluesencamp (sp?) has said he'd phone me today about taking the car, but I 
haven't heard yet. -- Bill

A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

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(unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bill can't.  He needs someone to take it in for him.  

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> On Jun 15, 2018, at 8:16 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> You can get it done at any inspection station. My two standard transmission 
> vehicles are regustered in Real County but I got them inspected in Kerrville 
> which Kerr COunty 100 miles north.
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:09 AM, Galen Falgout  
>> wrote:
>> Bill I could help you with your car inspection. But my question is is it 
>> registered in Travis or Hays county? I don’t think you have to be there, 
>> just need current insurance for your car 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:14 PM Mixon Bill  wrote:
>>> My car (standard transmission) needs to be taken somewhere for inspection. 
>>> Call me at
>>> (512) 288-4991. -- Bill Mixon
>>> 
>>> A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.
>>> 
>>> You may "reply" to the address this message
>>> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
>>> came from, but for long-term use, save:
>>> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I'll ring you tomorrow. 

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> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> My car (standard transmission) needs to be taken somewhere for inspection. 
> Call me at
> (512) 288-4991. -- Bill Mixon
> 
> A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] Proof that the CIA was running drugs?

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I love it!

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> On May 25, 2018, at 9:17 PM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> Back in the ’70s (and even today) there were persistent
> rumors that the CIA was secretly running drugs to
> finance its operations. I think cavers may have played
> into that perception, at least in the eyes of a couple of
> American tourists. Here’s how.
> In 1978 Tennessee caver Chris Kerr broke his leg in
> Cueva del Brinco, part of Sistema Purificación in the
> mountains northwest of Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas.
> The relatively small crew on site was not sufficient to
> mount a rescue, so cavers were called in from the US.
> Austin got the call, and within twenty-four hours Terry
> Sayther’s truck and eight cavers were ready to go. The
> team consisted of Jerry Atkinson, Gill Ediger, Tracy
> Johnson, Mark Minton, Terry Sayther, Bill Steele, Bill
> Stone, and Terri Treacy. As anyone around in those times
> could attest, we were a pretty hairy and wild-looking
> bunch. Air transport had been arranged through the
> National Cave Rescue Commission and US Air Force,
> so we set out for Bergstrom Air Force Base, now the
> Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. At the gate they
> wanted to know who was in charge, and they seemed
> both amused and concerned when we looked at each
> other blankly and then said nobody. We all felt equally
> competent and didn’t need a leader.
> After some unavoidable delays, Sayther’s truck was
> loaded into a C-130 military transport plane, along with
> all of us and our supplies. We flew to Brownsville and,
> after a brief delay spent in a holding pattern, received
> clearance from Mexico to enter their airspace. There
> was apparently an agreement concerning how many
> US military aircraft could be in Mexican airspace at
> one time, and that number were already there, so we
> had to wait while one cleared out. We then flew to the
> Victoria airport, which at the time did not have commercial
> flights. The runway was somewhat short and
> potholed. We made a pass or two so that the pilot could
> assess the situation, after which he said he thought we
> could make it. Gulp!
> After a successful landing, the plane rolled to a stop
> and the back hatch went down. Terry drove his truck
> down the ramp and the rest of us got in. We pulled up
> to the small airport office, where a Mexican government
> representative handed us a sheaf of papers and
> assured us that all of the immigration paperwork had
> been taken care of and that we were good to go. We
> signed nothing, but thanked him and headed off on
> our quest. The C-130 took off and returned to Texas;
> we would have to drive back.
> Observing all of this was a couple of Americans who
> had apparently recently arrived in a private plane. They
> watched agape as a civilian Chevy Suburban full of
> hippies that had just come off of a U. S. military plane
> exchanged pleasantries with a Mexican official and
> roared off into the sunset. No doubt they were sure they
> had just witnessed first-hand that the US was involved
> in some highly suspicious activities in Mexico.
> —Mark Minton, Texas Caver, fourth quarter 2009.
> 
> Reprinted AMCS Activities Newsletter 38, 2015, page 88.
> 
> A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

MJ, what you are doing is akin to showing the group your latest stool sample.  
It may be something that you find fascinating but nobody else wants to hear 
your shit. 
 "...perhaps you need to re evaluate your social skills."  

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 I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time  and 
then you folks blame me.This is my forum as much as it is yours.All I did is 
post a view point I'm aligned with.If that effects your sensibilities then 
perhaps you need to re evaluate your social skills.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit  wrote:

MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you. 
And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum. Same to Charlie and 
David.caving forum. 
Linda
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Re: [Texascavers] Apache hires U.S. cave institute to study water in West Texas’ Alpine High oil field :

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

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Yeah, the TPW Commission does not respect the mission. They are political 
appointees put in place by the governor.  None of them have any background in 
resource management or wildlife and most make their money in 
resource-consumptive industries.  I doubt any of them could tell you what the 
mission is.
Mission
To manage and conserve the natural and cultural resources of Texas and to 
provide hunting, fishing and outdoor recreation opportunities for the use and 
enjoyment of present and future generations.
Philosophy
In fulfilling our mission, we will: Be a recognized national leader in 
implementing effective natural resources conservation and outdoor recreational 
programs; Serve the state of Texas, its citizens, and our employees with the 
highest standards of service, professionalism, fairness, courtesy, and respect; 
Rely on the best available science to guide our conservation decisions; 
Responsibly manage agency finances and appropriations to ensure the most 
efficient and effective use of tax-payer and user fee resources; Attract and 
retain the best, brightest, and most talented workforce to successfully execute 
our mission. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, 
Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com

  From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 To: Jerry ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: Logan McNatt 
 Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Apache hires U.S. cave institute to study water in 
West Texas’ Alpine High oil field :
   
 Thanks for the news update, Jerry.
 
 This quote from the related article really bothers me: "In addition, at least 
four of the nine members appointed to the parks and wildlife commission work 
for oil companies or own mineral rights, including Kelcy L. Warren, chief 
executive of the Dallas pipeline company Energy Transfer Partners, according 
the parks department web site."
 
 Logan McNatt
 
 
 On 5/27/2017 12:47 AM, Jerry wrote:
  
 
Apache hires U.S. cave institute to study water in West Texas’ Alpine High oil 
field
  Posted by David Hunn  Date: May 26, 2017 
  Houston oil and gas company Apache Corp. has hired the nation’s preeminent 
cave research institute to study the aquifers around Balmorhea State Park, home 
to the famous San Solomon Springs. 
  In September, Apache announced it found 15 billion barrels of oil and gas in 
southern Reeves County. The company has promised to keep drilling out of the 
park and avoid sensitive ecologies. 
  But the region is webbed with aquifers — water that filters through porous 
rock underground — and underground streams running through cave formations 
called karst. And no one really knows how those formations zig and zag. 
  RELATED: State admits it doesn’t know if drilling will harm springs 
  Apache says that it has a good grasp of the area’s geology, but that it wants 
to understand the aquifers better. So it hired the National Cave and Karst 
Research Institute to sift through any previous studies on West Texas aquifers 
and help Apache determine how to protect the water. 
  The aquifers provide water for drinking, farmland, tourism and endangered 
species, like the Comanche Springs pupfish. Apache doesn’t want oil and water 
to mix, said institute director George Veni. “It’s not good for the people 
drinking the water,” he said. “It’s not good for business.” 
  But to minimize or prevent impact, the region has to understand the aquifers 
better, he said. 
  “We’ve know we’ve got some springs. We know we’ve got an aquifer,” he said. 
“But there’s very little known about it. And so identifying those crucial, 
vulnerable drainage areas, relative to the proposed drilling, is a big unknown. 
It needs to be done.” 
  
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2017/05/26/apache-corp-hires-u-s-cave-institute-to-study-water-in-west-texas-alpine-high-oil-field/
 
  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Cuban cavers

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PM sent

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> On May 18, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Dwight via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many of you know we have made 5 trips to Cuba since 2012. Just came back from 
> the Oriente (Holguin, Gibara, Camaguey, and Santiago de Cuba). Met with more 
> than a dozen groups of cavers, got into a few caves, and made a lot of 
> contacts with the Cuban cavers, both old timers and new very active ones, 
> including cave divers. Those interested and make it to Albuquerque, we can 
> talk about it then.
>  
> I can't find the past post, but a while ago there were some comments from an 
> individual(s) who had interacted with Alejandro Romero (past SEC President) 
> from Sancti Spiritus either in Cuba or the USA (or elsewhere).. Please 
> respond off line as I would like to carry on the conversation with you.
>  
> dirt...@comcast.net.
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Any pic with McClung is incriminating evidence!  

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Bruce Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Is that in boys town?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>> 
>> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David  wrote:
>>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, 
>>> it was met with lots of resistance.
>>> 
>>> Flash forward 7 years,
>>> 
>>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person 
>>> had posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely 
>>> enough to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>>> 
>>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>>> careful about what you post on the internet.
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA - CBSP December Project Weekend

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

The animal is a chain-link buzzworm.  Carry on.  

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> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Will Quast via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Remember that this weekend, Dec 10th, is the 3rd TSA-CBSP Project Weekend of 
> the 2016-2017 season. The weather should be nice and chilly with very low 
> chances of rain. We will be camping at Caver Camp.
> If you are thinking about attending, YOU MUST EMAIL me and reserve your space 
> BEFORE NOON FRIDAY. I am obligated to provide the list of volunteers to the 
> Park by this time.
> Please read the the information and understand the rules posted at 
> http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/cbsp.html .
> 
> Here is a photo of a long skinny animal seen in the park, can you identify 
> him? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35637124/DSC02365.JPG
> 
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[Texascavers] Chinese Cavefish Working Group Facebook Page

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Check out our new FB page. We are still in China (chasing cave fish) so expect 
plenty of updates (spoiler alert: best expedition yet). 

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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Those migrating tarantulas are all short-lived males searching for long-lived 
homebody females.  

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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:09 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great story Fritz. 
> 
> One of the most scenic places we have been in TX is  the entrance to Santa 
> Elena Canyon. That is right up there with the Guads, El Cap and Guadalupe 
> Peak. These are great places to visit in the fall.
> 
> Preston at Browder, KY
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers
>  wrote:
> My daughters and I made a raft trip from Lajitas thru Santa Elena Canyon in 
> April, 1979. Not guided, we just rented a raft. We stayed at the fairly new 
> Cavalry Post motel in Lajitas and while there experienced a somewhat severe 
> hail storm which covered the ground. We spent the first night at the mouth of 
> Santa Elena just past the rockslide on the Mexican side on a sandy beach 
> area. Being swimmers, the girls would tie the raft rope to an ankle an swim 
> pulling the raft in the stretches of deeper still water. The next day we 
> navigated the canyon with a lengthy stop to explore Fern Canyon on the 
> Mexican side. A somewhat wet climb to go into a couple of nice shelter caves 
> on the left side of the canyon wall. Further towards the exit picnic area we 
> saw high on the Mexican side Smugglers Cave, (Outlaw Cave or Cow Cave as we 
> called it). On a previous canoe trip years earlier thru all of the canyons 
> with buddy, Bill Breedlove, we climbed up to the cave and took pictures. My 
> daughters and I did not make the climb. Back to a small part of the previous 
> post below. On the way home north from Big Bend there had been a substantial 
> rain storm and tarantulas were crossing the blacktop road in large numbers. 
> Being ground dwellers the unaccustomed rain must have flushed them out. We 
> captured a couple of them in small raisin boxes. This raft trip with Mandy 
> and Jenny was one of the high points of all my outdoor adventures. 
> Fritz F. Holt (nostalgia king)
> fritz...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:43 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  I've seen porcupines in Texas caves as far back as the '80s. I also
> > remember a couple of times that there were unusually large numbers of
> > dead porcupines on the highways in central and west Texas. It was like
> > they were involved in mass migrations and got caught in the crossfire.
> > (I've similarly seen large numbers of migrating tarantulas, with lots
> > smashed on the roads in Texas.)
> > 
> >  Interestingly, we also found a couple of porcupine carcasses very near
> > the Last Bash entrance to J2 in Oaxaca, Mexico. That particular entrance
> > is _way_ out in the boonies, so whatever the porcupines were doing
> > there, it was unlikely to be related to human activity. Maybe they just
> > like caves. :-)
> > 
> > Mark Minton
> > mmin...@caver.net
> > 
> >> On Thu, August 25, 2016 9:15 pm, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
> >> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for
> >> years. However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased
> >> amounts of road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
> >> 
> >> Marvin Miller
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Jerryatkin via Texascavers
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
> >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> >> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in
> >> many south-central Texas caves
> >> 
> >> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards
> >> Plateau caves.
> >> 
> >> Jerry Atkinson.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> A couple live in Deep.
> >>> 
> >>> --Don
> >>> 
>  On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers
>   wrote:
>  
>  http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
>  inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
>  be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
>  
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[Texascavers] Ernie?

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Paging Ernie Garza.  

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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Ping me in October.  Major flux right now but cooking for my caver fam sounds 
like just the tonic. 

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> On Aug 23, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> At the rate folks are volunteering, we may have to institute that old British 
> tradition of naval Press Gangs, Stef, we can walk through the campgrounds and 
> any loafers we can simply whack on the head, cuff and put into service. 
> 
> --TCR
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am hoping the Aggies will do their usual and help with serving the 
>> Saturday dinner?!
>> 
>> However, can they let me know a bit (more) in advance if they are intending 
>> to do this? We need to "train" you on the dishes and serving them a few 
>> hours before the meal, thanks!!
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Locklear arrives at NSS Convention

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Frank should lead that project.  He has the skills and he's due for some karma 
unless he makes right with whatever Saint looks out for orphans, and lost 
souls.  Oh, that's Saint Judas, big in certain circles at the present time.  

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> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bockbeer can charge for selfies so he can afford to pay for gas to make it to 
> Nome.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via 
>> Texascavers  wrote:
>> Glad David made it safely.
>> 
>> Roger Moore
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>> To: Cave Texas 
>> Cc: Frank Binney 
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 10:17 pm
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Locklear arrives at NSS Convention
>> 
>> Frank Binney asked me to forward this photo he took of Locklear and 
>> himself at the NSS Convention in Ely, NV.
>> 
>> Logan McNatt
>> lmcn...@austin.rr.com
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Re: [Texascavers] alternative convention trip report

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

He makes storm chasers sound boring and his train wrecks are far more exciting 
and tragic than any story Ediger can tell. A quixotic Ahab, chasing anchovies.  
In Lubbock. Year after year.  
In the crazed planning, execution, and repetition lie the the answer to why 
many listen.  

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> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> written by nancy weaver.  freely available to anyone who wants to use it.
> 
> I have a safe predictable job and a safe predictable 
> paycheck/pension/inheritance.  I safely and predictably preregister for NSS 
> convention and put it on my calendar.  I load my safe and predictable vehicle 
> with more stuff than the handcart expeditions took to settle Utah, and make 
> reservations at safe, predictable camp spots/hotels.  Using my safe and 
> predictable credit card, I arrive at Ely/fill in the blank without incident.  
> I go on safe and predictable field trips, attend safe and predictable salons 
> and talks about gating caves to keep out the barbarians.  I used to be a 
> barbarian, in fact thats how I got into in caving in the first place.  Now I 
> am safe and predictable.
> I drink lots of alcohol/smoke pot/fly a biplane/arrive in a pumpkin to show 
> how wild I am.  Then I safely and predictably drive home.  Next year I will 
> do the same thing.  Safely and predictably.  That is why I am a better person 
> than David Locklear.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Off topic: rainwater collection barrel

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I have one I'd sell.  I'll take a pic this afternoon and you can make an offer. 
1 year old. 

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> On Apr 24, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I'm looking for a 250 Gallon rainwater collection barrel if anyone has one 
> they're interested in selling. If so, contact me off list at 
> hutchins@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [Texascavers] valuable species

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

 That's our inquisitive Mixon. Like the Church in 1615. 

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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> But Andy, haven't you heard that all those cave bacteria that are being 
> discovered have the potential to provide a cure for cancer? At least 
> according to the people who find them. Biologists are the chief offenders.
> 
> Be careful not to touch the floor, and don't bother the bacteria -- Mixon
> 
> Considering what is done in the name of God, one wonders what is left for the 
> devil.
> 
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[Texascavers] Get ready!

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

http://www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/zacahuil-el-tamal-de-los-tamales2.html


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Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Do y'all need all of it?  I need about 480sf. 
Andy

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 On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:24 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 wrote:
 
 I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back 
 
 Galen Falgout
 
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me 
 to it.
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone
 
 
  Original message 
 From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00) 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com 
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab 
 
 Jim I called it first 
 
 Galen Falgout
 
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Me, please!  At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it 
  tomorrow. 
  
  Jim
  
  Mobile email from my iPhone
  
  On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
  texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
  
  I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It 
  is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for 
  privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged 
  or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. 
  Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon
  
  True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be 
  capable of doing before all the world.
  
  You may reply to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I could use 15-20 sheets and will have some 6ft chunks leftover. I can help 
load a trailer. 

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 On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think there may be enough to for all of our needs. I need 14 sheets, Crash 
 needs like 12, mike wants 10, and Andy wants 450 square feet however much 
 that is and ill take the rest to finish out my privacy fence 
 
 Galen Falgout
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Re: [Texascavers] article telling landowners to keep cavers away

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I heard they were saying that at the cattlemens meetings.  More like TWA 
meetings...

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 On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 For years I've heard about a decades old article (Texas Cattle Magazine?) 
 warning landowners to keep James Reddell and Bill Elliott off of their 
 property because of the risk of finding endangered karst invertebrates.  Does 
 anyone have the specific citation or, better yet, a copy of the article? 
 Please email me off list with any info. 
 
 Thanks,
 Ben Hutchins (hutch...@yahoo.com)
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Stefan,I'm sure you'd enjoy having a retreat out this way. Andrew G. 
Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
  From: Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale
   
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purchase…    Do you know the timescales by when they’d like to have the 
property sold, Travis?    Cheers, Stefan    stefan.crea...@arm.com    

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of 
Travis Scott via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale    Howdy Cavers,    I just wanted 
to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has come up for sale by 
owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in Hays County (amongst 
the small caver community there).  The property has a fairly large 4/2 mobile 
home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is a somewhat significant 
recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over the years to 
approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that cavers can 
acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to anyone.  He 
has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the property at this 
time.    If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the 
property and cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the 
owner.  Thanks!!    Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.com
979.450.0103 (cell)    
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi sink

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Bring frog buckets.  Earlier will be much cooler.  I'm up for 10am if there are 
any early birds. 700 Billie Brooks

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 On Jun 26, 2015, at 3:35 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 wrote:
 
 Quick caving trip this Sunday, June 28th at Kiwi Sink. We plan to go to the 
 end of the cave to see what the last flood did. Start at noon, couple of 
 hours should do. It will be wet and muddy, meet at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, 
 Driftwood. 512-847-0183.
 
 Cave ho,
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Re: [Texascavers] Ezell's Cave gate finished!

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Like

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 On Mar 8, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Just called Ron Ralph. They are still at Ezell's Cave, loading up the trucks. 
 They finished the Ezell's Cave gate! They were supposed to start at 8 a.m 
 (DST), so they've had a very long hard day, in the rain.
 
 Details to come later from Ron and/or Jim Kennedy, I'm sure.
 
 Congratulations are due to everyone involved!
 
 Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] reporters

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I was told during media training *not* to ask to review the interview before 
publication. I used to offer and no reporter ever took me up on it.  I find 
that having a short list of perfectly-honed sound bites (relevant to the topic, 
of course) is a good strategy.  They almost always pick them up so I am able to 
use them to craft the final product, to some extent.
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
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Heather and everyone,    Many cavers have long held the positions: ·
don’t trust or talk to the media because they will screw up what you tell them, 
and ·we need the public to better understand caves to care about and 
help protect them. The problem is that we need the media to effectively educate 
the public so we can’t afford to ignore or alienate them.    Reporters are 
often rushed to meet deadlines, especially if they are trying to get in a story 
within 24 hours or less. Like for most of the public, caves are alien to 
reporters. They have a huge number of long-held stereotypes and 
mis-conceptions. One interview won’t eliminate them all. Most are good people 
trying to sincerely do a good job, but they often mix-up their misconceptions 
with what they actually heard, especially if much of the interview is in a cave 
where they can’t take many notes.     I get interviewed frequently in my job. 
One thing I’ve found to keep the printed word accurate is to essentially tell 
the reporter at the end of the interview:    “Thank you for interviewing me. I 
can tell you want to write a great report and I’d like to help. A lot of what 
I’ve told you and what you’ve seen is completely new to you. A lot of it is 
complicated. I may not have been clear on some points and you could have 
misunderstood me on others. What is your deadline? Send me your draft article 
and I’ll make myself available to quickly fact-check it and get it back to you 
ASAP to meet your deadline. That way we can be it is right.”    I’ve found that 
this works about 70% of the time, so most of my interviews turn out well. As 
for the other 30%, my worst experience was when a reporter misquoted me 15 
times in 11 short paragraphs! Rather than berate her, I pointed out the errors, 
expressed sympathy for her position, and developed a good working relationship 
that has since benefited caves and karst.    We are all ambassadors of caves 
and could be potentially interviewed. If you find yourself in that position, 
remember to keep the information simple to minimize confusion and mistakes, ask 
to review the draft article for technical accuracy, and after the article is 
printed to contact the reporter. If the article is good, thank the reporter. If 
there are problems, thank the reporter for what was right and discuss the 
problems in a sympathetic way. Make that reporter a better reporter for caves 
and karst. And if you are in position where you are likely to be interviewed 
again, then build a relationship with the reporter so you will each learn to go 
to each other when needed and can trust that the outcome will be good.    
George     George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National 
Cave and Karst Research 

Re: [Texascavers] doing sinful things in caves

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Several years ago...
There was a large group pushing and surveying parts of Longhorn Caverns, 
through the Crownover entrance.  The treasure hunters who originally opened 
that entrance left a kerosene lamp in a large room past the log entrance crawl. 
 Someone lit the lamp on the way in and someone else extinguished it.  Thanks. 
This caused the long crawl to be flooded with dense smoke due to the strong air 
at the time.  Poor Russ Johnson got gravel in the bib of his overalls and he 
got stuck at one point.  I was seriously concerned that one of us would succumb 
to CO.  Maybe we did?

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 On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Some people actually have allergies to the smoke and/or asthma that can be 
 agitated by it. Not a good recipe to smoke in a cave when your caving buddy 
 could have serious health problems because of it. 
 
 -Heather
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Mike Warton passed gas on some of the trips in Wizard's Well Cave back in 
 the early 1980's... 
 He had eaten boiled eggs and drank beer the night before... 
 Corroded the terminals on my Wheat Lamp Battery...
 
 A what memories...
 -- 
 Bill Bentley
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Re: [Texascavers] Las Grutas de Carrizal

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I logged 700km in the rural Andes of Ecuador driving a Fiat Uno and a Suzuki 
that was even smaller.  (Small) size matters!

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



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To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Las Grutas de Carrizal
 


I first went to Carrizal in December of 1984 with 5 other newbie Aggie Cavers, 
and was the least experienced of the group.There was a large sign posted 
out front warning of danger in the cave that was old and faded.I once had a 
picture of the sign, but it is probably lost.Didn't it say Histoplasmosis 
on it ??


We hiked a mile in from the gate, as we had no idea how to get a key, only to 
find a family living about 200 yards from the entrance.I went on several 
more trips to Carrizal for about 10 years after that, and they were all fun and 
uneventful.I have no idea if any of us got sick, and if we did we thought 
we had the flu.  

There was a time in the late 80's, where I had no problem getting a key to the 
gate, but could not find cavers to go, or I didn't have vacation time, or had 
some other caving related event to attend that was higher priority.  

Sidenote: 

The ladder that was recently used in the Kiwi Sink Dig was purchased in 1995 
for checking out some shadows in the ceiling of the passage in Carrizal.
After a monumental effort to purchase and deliver the ladder to the entrance by 
myself, the 3 other members of my team mutined and would not help me carry the 
ladder the rest of the way into the cave.  ( Disclaimer:   the ladder is a 
heavy duty aluminum ladder consisting of two - 20 foot pieces. )  I can 
remember planning to carry it myself, as they sat around the campfire relaxing 
with their cerveza mexicana ( Modelo or Tecate ?? ).   I think I went back in 
the cave alone to re-check the shadows once last time, and accepted the reality 
that I could not safely get the ladder in place without their help. So I joined 
them around the campfire. I thought about donating the ladder then to the 
town of Candela, so I wouldn't have to haul it back to Houston, but decided it 
would be more practical to find a
 caving use for it somewhere.The ladder was eventually delivered from 
Houston to Kiwi Sink on the top of my tiny Honda Fit.   I paid for the ladder 
hanging
Christmas lights on 2-story houses.

That trip was the last time I was in Carrazal, I think.   Sometime earlier, 
around 1993, I was with 2 Houston cavers, Pam Ozkowski ( Spencer Woods wife ) 
and Ralph Batche ( R.I.P. ), in the cave. 

There was another trip about that time with caver George Sanders, so ask him 
about Carrizal.   He drove to the entrance in his Geo Metro.After watching 
that off-road feat, I learned the benefits of a short-wheel base and small 
vehicle width, for travelling the backroads of the Sierra Madres.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] free to good home

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

That's all?   Sounds fixable. 

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 On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 We have a 1995 Honda Civic that has served us well when we needed a car, and 
 served the Stricklands well before that.  It has some issues --- slipping 
 clutch, needs right front CV joint, no A/C, no radio, and others --- but the 
 engine is still good.  I would like it gone by next Thursday.  If no takers, 
 I'll call Salvation Army or some other charity to haul it off.  Contact me 
 offline if interested.
 
 Jim Kennedy
 512-663-2287
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Re: [Texascavers] [DP][Species sighted]

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Purpose?  You might contact the TPWD biological inventory team. 

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 On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
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 A call for species positively identified here at the nature preserve. Plants, 
 animals, please?
 Thanks!
 
 --Don
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Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Bill, in case you didn't notice, landowner attitudes have changed dramatically 
since the 1950's.   Rather than speculate, why don't you consider the access 
situation on other properties in the area and compare them to the gilded age of 
caving?  



Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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On Friday, September 12, 2014 9:57 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


While Gluesenkamp won't remember it, Devil's Sinkhole did just fine  
without management, which always seems to mean managing cavers. And  
access was open even to scientists, although that cuts no mustard with  
me. Scientists are not a privileged class of people, and their claim  
to a resource is no more important than anybody else's. This includes  
archaeologists, paleontologists, geologists, and biologists. (And the  
physicists I used to work with, too, of course. But at least  
physicists don't generally claim special or exclusive access to  
caves.) A new private owner _might_ have closed the cave, but at least  
private owners eventually sell or die. A government owner was certain  
to severely restrict it, and governments, at least outside the Middle  
East, tend to live longer than people. Governments are suckers for  
special interests more than most private owners are--witness the  
difference in access between government-owned and privately owned  
caves in the southeastern US these days. They also, for some reason,  
tend to worry more about allowing people to hurt themselves. Cavers  
can and have foolishly promoted government acquisition or management  
of a cave as a protection measure only to find themselves locked out.  
I don't know that cavers had anything to do with the state's buying  
Devil's Sinkhole. I'd like to think not.

-- Mixon

Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are  
terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to.

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Re: [Texascavers] old-timer definition

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Right, State ownership provides management and access for science versus the 
likelihood of zero access if it remained in private hands.  Back it up or pack 
it up, Bill.

 
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Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com


On Friday, September 12, 2014 1:49 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a  
Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in 1964, but that doesn't  
count, because I was just visiting for the 1964 NSS convention, when  
we got to cave in Indian Creek Cave and Devil's Sinkhole, neither of  
which has been open for caving for years now. Devil's Sinkhole  
unfortunately fell into the hands of the state.

Incidentally, the more info link for TCR in the UT Grotto calendar  
says virtually nothing. Someone who is in Google's tentacles needs to  
make that link point somewhere useful, like 
http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TCR/index.html 
. -- Mixon

Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are  
terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to.

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Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

Congratulations! Keep up the great work!

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 On Aug 22, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Julia! 
 
 David, people can't filter on emails anymore here, because all emails come 
 from texascavers@texascavers.com
 
 That's what I had to change to keep things moving around here.  It displays 
 your name with some magical trickery, but your email is no longer listed in 
 the headers of the email.
 
 Oh, and for everyone else, I got a nice certificate of appreciation from our 
 dearest president of the NSS, Wm Shrewsbury.  Guess he awarded it to me at 
 convention after I had left.  Received it int he mail this week.  It was for 
 my work on the NSS server migration earlier this year (and still ongoing).
 
 Thanks Wm!
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 I agree with David. My immediate reaction to Don's post was identical - take 
 advantage of the delete key and quit complaining. Glad this same suggestion 
 came directly from the victim of your post.
 
 The last thing we need is to annoy our gracious listserv administrator with 
 this when he has bigger and more important issues to tackle so that everyone 
 gets all posts.
 
 To Charles - you are greatly appreciated and yet underappreciated. I thank 
 you for all you do behind the scenes for Texas, NSS, and International 
 cavers to have the ability to converse via these forums.
 
 - from julia's cell
 
 Julia Germany
 germanyj@the dreaded AOL.com
 
 On Aug 22, 2014, at 22:42, Don Cooper via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 It's not that I don't care for you.
 I just don't care for all the additional emails.;
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:31 PM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now.
 
 The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best 
 friends, which gives you an idea how many friends I have.
 
 The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email 
 name. 
 
 Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but 
 that is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related 
 to caving.
 
 Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an 
 antique store near Houston.
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0
 
 Anybody know the history of this?   I have not found out if it is just a 
 print, or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of 
 thousands.
 
 
 I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, 
 and we are still friends.  To the best of my knowledge only one caver is 
 on my sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years.  I would 
 still go in a non-vertical cave with him though.  I am pretty sure 
 everybody else accepted my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy 
 memories from the past.
 I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair 
 of grey Jumars.  These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving 
 event, in the near future. 
 
 Respectfully,
 
 David Locklear
 Semi-retired from arm-chair caving
 
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Re: [Texascavers] 20 years ago - just reminiscing

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

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 On May 24, 2014, at 2:05 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Quite a few of you remember what was going on at this time on
 the Texas caving scene in May of 1994.I was just an observer,
 although I did go on one or 2 road-trips to Bracketville, from Houston.
 
 2 cavers were very hard at work finishing up one of the best books about
 Texas caves, and lots of cavers were assisting them.
 
 Another caver was planning an incredible show recreating the battle
 of the Alamo.
 
 Swamp coolers were being installed by volunteer cavers that had travelled
 from all over the state to one of the non-air-conditioned buildings at
 Fort Clark
 and caver-electricians were having to gerry-rig the whole set up.
 
 Cavers were visiting caves in and around Bracketville to plan for convention
 trips.
 
 The 1994 NSS Convention, was a major event in my life.   It was my
 first introduction
 to the NSS. Prior to that, I was
 personally spending most of my spare time south of the border.And
 after that,
 I made an effort to attend future conventions, and thus had less
 resources available
 to go on trips south of the border.
 
 
 On a related note,
 
 It was not just a different time.  It was a different world.
 
 All of that hard work was done without Cavetex, texting, and
 smartphones, and Facebook, etc. Any cavers that had a computer were
 using Windows 3.1 and saving their work to a floppy disk, and not on a
 laptop.  I bet typewriters were still being used by some.   Gas only
 cost about $ 1.10.   On the world newsfront, Monica Lewinsky had not
 yet met Bill Clinton, and the world ( not me ) was still anxiously
 awaiting news updates over the Clinton scandals of Whitewater and
 Paula Jones.Most of us were spending less than 10 minutes a day on
 the internet, if any at all.Most cavers still had
 cassette-tape-decks in their cars.  Quite a few of our caving friends
 at the 1994 convention are no longer with us.   I am certain none of
 us could have predicted the tragedies that happened just a few years
 after the convention.Here is a toast to them.
 
 http://www.cavetexas.org/rmiller/
 
 http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/images/las_moras_springs_pool.jpg
 
 
 David Locklear
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Jacobs Well

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Does anyone know if it has been reopened to diving and swimming?  The big rock 
moved in the Halloween flood and they weren't letting anyone swim the last time 
I was there.


 
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700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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On Friday, May 9, 2014 2:13 PM, Sam Young youn...@centurytel.net wrote:
 
But, 
speaking of Jacobs Well, there is a grand opening ceremony tomorrow 
(Saturday).  Some of you Austin area folks might know that Jacobs Well was 
saved from development by a generous contribution from a local family.  It 
is now a Hays County Park.  We will be there and hope to see some of our 
caver friends there too.
 
... Sam and Diane 
Young
 
 
They 
now have one of their dodgy videos about Jacobs Well on their sidebar... Most 
dangerous dive in Texas?  

Cue C.M. Kornbluth and his Marching 
Morons.

Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

1998. Rained like a sumbich.  

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Mike Flannigan mikef...@att.net wrote:

 
 It rained like crazy as we climbed the cliff to enter Sandtleben Cave, 
 but had quit by the time we exited the cave.  That was in 1999, or 
 perhaps 1998.  Here are some pics from that trip:
 
 
 http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(8).jpg
 http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(9).jpg
 http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(11).jpg
 http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(13).jpg
 
 
 I'd like to go back someday too.
 
 
 Mike Flannigan
 
 
 On 2/24/2014 12:40 PM, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
 From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com
 Date: 2/24/2014 10:37 AM
 To: cavercr...@gmail.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
 EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!
 
 I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago.  Was there 
 still water in the swimming hole?
 
 Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and wrote 
 Haikus?
 
 Let me know the next time you are heading out there.
 
 So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised.  AWESOME 
 that you met the various owners and got relationships started for more 
 caving in the area!
 
 julia
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com
 To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
 Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
 
 I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from 
 the 
 list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach 
 of 
 protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality 
 (caving), 
 I offer the following trip report.
 
 This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo 
 Ranch 
 in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active 
 for 
 about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch 
 has 
 been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left. 
 
 Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his 
 caves. I 
 didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party 
 of 
 me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality 
 and 
 were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean 
 Krejca 
 and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the 
 owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. 
 They 
 asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife 
 association meeting, and I readily agreed. 
 
 The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a 
 new 
 contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged 
 audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great 
 conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable 
 about 
 local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) 
 owners 
 took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features. 
 
 Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and 
 Lee 
 Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new 
 caves 
 from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, 
 and 
 Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by 
 Bob 
 Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I 
 suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow 
 Cave. 
 Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey 
 of 
 Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new 
 sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant 
 cave. 
 
 In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before 
 having to 
 quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the 
 dinosaur 
 tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast, 
 supplemented by a  crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and 
 Galen. 
 Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth 
 Figg. 
 Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner 
 with 
 the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves. 
 
 Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast. 
 Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's 
 about 
 1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology. 
 But 
 before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of 
 days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while 
 Guin 
 decapitated the ex-burro. 

Re: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Amen, Nancy.  It might be funny if we weren't talking about a real person, a 
member of our caving family, someone who is genuinely interested in all 
things cave related, and a person who consistently tries to encourage 
discussion and assist the caving community.  


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:10 AM, Nancy Weaver nan...@prismnet.com wrote:
 
yet another gratuitious ugly comment.  This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about the 
person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person being 
bullyied.


On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:

 I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
 


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Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I called a later owner of the cave back in 04 or so.  
Me: Hello, my name is Andy Gluesenkamp.  I am a biologist working on...
Landowner: Not interested. [click]




 
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(512) 799-1095
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On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:09 AM, Stefan Creaser 
stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:
 
Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-)

Perhaps we could have a gun' issue?

Cheers,
Stefan

-Original Message-
From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope 
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River.  One afternoon 
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there 
and it was my turn to climb the rope.  When I stuck my head over the ledge I 
found two country locals sitting there.  One was wearing a western style shirt 
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called wife beater shirt.  
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one 
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about 
18-inches long.  Both smiling as I remember.  Fortunately I grew up in the area 
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with 
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up.  It 
was reviled that they were just out hun'n and found the rope, then decided 
they wanted to mess with some of
 them college kids down there.  They didn't think that when I climbed up I'd be 
someone that knew their cousins.  They wondered off into the cedar breaks.


-Original Message-
From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY 
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.

I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.

Preston in Outer Browder, KY.


- Original Message -
From: Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org
To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
Cc: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave


David,

I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later.  I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.

The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave.  We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit.  Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave.  We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch.  She said that would be fine.  We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance.  We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road.  Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns.  They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed.  We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there.  When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed.  We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back.  Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.

We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could.  The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.

None of us had the guts to go back there for many years.  Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves.  I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.

Kurt

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.

I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called Klars Ranch Salamander Cave, and that there were other
similar caves in the area.

Here is a possible reference:

    http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico travel related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

That is very sad.  That is one of my favorite areas.  I, too, have fond 
memories of eating the most delicious langostinos there (restaurant/lobster 
farm was called Boca Toma II).


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I have not been following any news at all in Mexico, since my last
post on the subject did not go so well.     So to my Mexican caving
friends, I apoligize if this post sounds bias or negative towards
your beautiful country, or if the news story is bogus.


Today, I saw a news story that looked alarming.

It is in an area that I used to love to go caving in.

Gomez Farias near the Nacimiento del Rio Frio.

    http://www.horacero.com.mx/noticia/?id=NHCVL124028

Hopefully this is just another exaggerated narco-traffic story.

It appears to be a recent news item.

For those of you who have never been to Gomez Farias, it is
a paradise for cavers, birders, swimmers, and hikers.

I would love to spend a week there each year, when the butterflies
are passing thru ( if there are any left that still do that ).

Unfortunately, of about 3 road-trips I went to around there, we either never
located the entrance or ran out of time, or the pits just were blind
and not too exciting.      Some of the best langostinos, I ever
had was there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF84A4V0418

I miss Mexico.     I married a woman from Mexico in 2001,
and never went back.   One of the ironic things about my life.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Word is that the property the museum sits on is slated to become another 
parking lot.  That's a goo money maker (so close to the stadium).   Who says 
athletics doesn't rob from academics?

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On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Katherine Arens ar...@austin.utexas.edu wrote:

 Amen to that.  To those of you who are mad you can no longer park free 
 anywhere at UT, this is another innovation of the current regime:  our 
 facilities are underutilized and need to be charged at current rates.  So 
 the little guys get nickled and dimed to death, and the state of Texas loses 
 important resources and resource stewardship.  Real Americans pay for their 
 parking, you see . . .(how's the parking at AM?)
 k
 
 On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:
 
 Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? 
 Money is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the 
 sciences. Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, 
 they're the ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the College 
 of Natural Sciences?
 
 Diana
 
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 Mary,
 
 How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
 
 Ron
 
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 years. You may have heard that the College of Natural Sciences will cut all 
 funding - $620,000 – to the museum beginning next year. This is a travesty 
 that can not be tolerated! My husband and I have started a grassroots 
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[Texascavers] Tracking app

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Along the lines of the bear scratch discussion, here's a link to a nifty animal 
tracking iphone app by our state mammalogist: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itrack-wildlife/id478516226?mt=8

He's got a nice pic of a tree trunk with four-claw and five-claw bear 
scratches. 

Andy

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Re: [Texascavers] Bigfoot

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bear?   I've found bear bones in SA caves and there was even a sighting in a 
local park a few years back.  

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On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:47 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 A caver in the San Antonio area once told me ( while sittiing around the
 camp-fire in 1995 ) that they were in a cave in or near Bexar County
 and saw claw marks on the wall, that were made by an animal that
 appeared to be taller than a man and appeared the animal was trying to
 climb out of the cave.I think he said it was a short pit
 entrance, and there were no bones in the cave of such animal.
 
 My fuzzy memory is that in this conversation he mentioned a Chivos Cave, but
 I don't know if that was the one he was referring to.
 
 I think he said there were 4 scratch marks on each hand though.
 
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[Texascavers] TPWD seeks public comment on gassing issue

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, this is karst-related.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20131230c

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
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Re: [Texascavers] Jacob's Well

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Look where that got you last time, Gill.


 
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On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:21 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:
 
Make the rock smaller. 
--Ediger



On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com wrote:

The swimming area is closed to the public while they figure out what to do 
about the car-sized rock that is now hanging precariously over the well shaft.  
Bummer for us Sunday morning freedivers as well as those neoprene-clad bubble 
blowers.




 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:48 PM, dirt...@comcast.net 
dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
 


Jacob's
Well.
 
Ah,yes. To see what is beyond the gate, you should read Jacob's Well by Stephen
Harrigan.  Those cavers
that I hired to work on the Texas Natural Areas Survey (which helped get
Devil's Sinkhole, the Lower Canyons, Mt. Livermore, Devil's River, Big Bend 
Ranch
State Park, Enchanted Rock, and other places set aside in the Public Domain) 
will
recognize slightly-disguised cavers and their colleagues from the70s. Not only
is Dwight Deal the heroic (although flawed) model for the geologist, you can
recognize parts of Ronnie Fieseler, Tom Byrd, and Ron Ralph, Gary Moore, and 
certainly
remember the Lady Archaeologist who did field work in the nude.
 
DirtDoc

[Texascavers] New paper

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/201

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Re: [Texascavers] salamander paper

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks, Bill.  All authors contributed at least 1/3!

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 Thanks, Andy, to the link for the salamander paper. A direct route to the 
 most readable version is 
 http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-13-201.pdf. Use this and 
 you won't have to ferret it out on the publisher's web site. I'm happy that 
 the paper is open access, and also the unusual feature at the end where the 
 contributions of the various alleged authors are briefly declared. That gives 
 at least a chance of deciding who really were authors and who should just 
 have been in the acknowledgements, in my view. (If I were editing a journal, 
 I'd insist that authors show me what part, not less than one third, of the 
 paper they actually wrote. It would be a very thin journal.) -- Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] tawny crazy ants

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, Bill, tawny crazy ants are different and we only have ourselves to blame 
for their presence in Texas.  

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On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:

 Crazy ants have been in the press off and on for over 15 years and haven't 
 driven us crazy yet. Maybe these tawny crazy ants are significantly 
 different, but maybe not. The info on the other crazy ant on the AM site is 
 very similar. Anyway, thanks, George, for pointing us to the Texas AM site, 
 which appears to be authoritative. A press release quoting only a guy who 
 runs an exterminating company (and who named the ants after himself) is 
 hardly worth notice.
 
 Anyway, sounds like another species that is, with human help, finding a nice 
 new niche. Who says humans only harm species? -- Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] tawny crazy ants

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, Bill, tawny crazy ants are different and we only have ourselves to blame 
for their presence in Texas.  

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On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:

 Crazy ants have been in the press off and on for over 15 years and haven't 
 driven us crazy yet. Maybe these tawny crazy ants are significantly 
 different, but maybe not. The info on the other crazy ant on the AM site is 
 very similar. Anyway, thanks, George, for pointing us to the Texas AM site, 
 which appears to be authoritative. A press release quoting only a guy who 
 runs an exterminating company (and who named the ants after himself) is 
 hardly worth notice.
 
 Anyway, sounds like another species that is, with human help, finding a nice 
 new niche. Who says humans only harm species? -- Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have lots of casings, grinder attachment, chemicals, spices, and a great 
book.  All courtesy of Nathan Parker via Kari. 

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On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:
 
 Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
  
 From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
 To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
 Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
  
 Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
 Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? image001.png
  
 Allan
  
  
  
 From: James Jasek
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09  PM
 To: Jim Kennedy
 Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
  
 Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
  
 Jim
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
 about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
 gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
  
 On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
  
 -- Crash
  
 From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
  
 Y’all,
  
 I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
 AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
 that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
  
 We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
 couple of weeks, probably.
  
 Cheers,
 Stefan
  
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have lots of casings, grinder attachment, chemicals, spices, and a great 
book.  All courtesy of Nathan Parker via Kari. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:
 
 Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
  
 From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
 To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
 Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
  
 Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
 Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? image001.png
  
 Allan
  
  
  
 From: James Jasek
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09  PM
 To: Jim Kennedy
 Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
  
 Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
  
 Jim
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
 about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
 gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
  
 On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
  
 -- Crash
  
 From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
  
 Y’all,
  
 I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
 AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
 that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
  
 We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
 couple of weeks, probably.
  
 Cheers,
 Stefan
  
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[Texascavers] Texas WNS Surveillance funding opportunity

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

White-nose Syndrome Funding Opportunity

 
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has received funding under the 
Endangered Species Conservation: Recovery Implementation Funds Grant Program 
for 
a project titled Surveillance and Monitoring of White-nose Syndrome in Texas 
Bats. The grant agreement period is September 1, 2013-April 30, 2014. and the 
grant total is $39,566. Final reports (financial and performance) will be due 
no 
later than July 22, 2014.
We are seeking a qualified researcher to conduct the activities described in 
the proposal below. We welcome alterations and modifications to the timeline 
and 
methods presented as long as the deliverables meet those outlined in the 
proposal.
Interested parties are invited to submit a scope of work, budget, and 
description of qualifications by August 15, 2013 to: 
andy.gluesenk...@tpwd.texas.gov. Questions and comments should be directed to 
the same e-mail 
address or call (512) 389-8722.
More information and a link to the proposal can be found here:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/wildlife_diversity/grants/wns.phtml/

[Texascavers] Texas WNS Surveillance funding opportunity

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

White-nose Syndrome Funding Opportunity

 
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has received funding under the 
Endangered Species Conservation: Recovery Implementation Funds Grant Program 
for 
a project titled Surveillance and Monitoring of White-nose Syndrome in Texas 
Bats. The grant agreement period is September 1, 2013-April 30, 2014. and the 
grant total is $39,566. Final reports (financial and performance) will be due 
no 
later than July 22, 2014.
We are seeking a qualified researcher to conduct the activities described in 
the proposal below. We welcome alterations and modifications to the timeline 
and 
methods presented as long as the deliverables meet those outlined in the 
proposal.
Interested parties are invited to submit a scope of work, budget, and 
description of qualifications by August 15, 2013 to: 
andy.gluesenk...@tpwd.texas.gov. Questions and comments should be directed to 
the same e-mail 
address or call (512) 389-8722.
More information and a link to the proposal can be found here:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/wildlife_diversity/grants/wns.phtml/

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my do list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



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To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

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Begin forwarded message:


From: Galo elositofelizdelacolacort...@yahoo.com.mx
Date: July 18, 2013 10:02:53 PM CDT
To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
Reply-To: iztaxochitla-ow...@yahoogrupos.com.mx


Reportaje del periódico El Universal en México sobre el sótano de las 
Golondrinas. En las entrañas del abismo más profundo de la Huasteca Potosina, 
en compañía de un espeleólogo. 

Link: 
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/graficosanimados13/EU_Sotano_Golondrinas/

Saludos

Galo





16° Congreso Internacional de Espeleología. Brno, 21 a 28 de julio de 2013
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Goldschmidt 2013. 25-30 de agosto. Florencia
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Balkan Speleological Conference. 28-30 March 2014, Sofia
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Glackma: Glaciares, criokarst y medio ambiente
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my do list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: jerryat...@aol.com jerryat...@aol.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


From: Galo elositofelizdelacolacort...@yahoo.com.mx
Date: July 18, 2013 10:02:53 PM CDT
To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
Reply-To: iztaxochitla-ow...@yahoogrupos.com.mx


Reportaje del periódico El Universal en México sobre el sótano de las 
Golondrinas. En las entrañas del abismo más profundo de la Huasteca Potosina, 
en compañía de un espeleólogo. 

Link: 
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/graficosanimados13/EU_Sotano_Golondrinas/

Saludos

Galo





16° Congreso Internacional de Espeleología. Brno, 21 a 28 de julio de 2013
http://www.speleo2013.com/

Goldschmidt 2013. 25-30 de agosto. Florencia
http://goldschmidt.info/2013/index

Balkan Speleological Conference. 28-30 March 2014, Sofia
http://www.balkan-speleo-2014.eu/eng/home.html

XII Congreso IAEG. Torino, Italia. 15 a 19 de septiembre de 2014.
http://www.iaeg2014.com/

Entrañas del Mundo Perdido
http://www.charlesbrewercarias.com/

Glackma: Glaciares, criokarst y medio ambiente
http://www.glackma.es/

Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
http://quimred.fq.uh.cu/sec/

Cultura de Montaña http://www.culturademontania.com.ar

Espeleofoto http://www.espeleofoto.com/

Arqueología subacuática
http://www.inah.gob.mx/paseos/SubAcuatico/SubAcuatico.html

Aviso de Tormentas Intensas y Granizo: 
http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/avisos/tormentas/tormenta.html

Pronóstico de lluvias y temperaturas en las principales ciudades de México
http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/mcs/mcs09b.html

Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleólogicas - UMAE
http://www.umae.org

Espeleo Rescate México
http://www.espeleorescatemexico.com/

¿Quieres venir a México?
http://www.inami.gob.mx/principal.asp

FEALC - http://www.fealc.org/

Unión Internacional de Espeleología - UIS
www.uis-speleo.org

International Journal of Speleology http://www.ijs.speleo.it/index.php?lang=spa

Código de Etica de la UIS para la Exploración y Ciencia Relacionadas con 
Cuevas en Países Extranjeros
http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-en.html (inglés)
http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-es.html (español)

Contactos UIS en cada país:
http://www.uis-speleo.org/addresses/address.html

Derecho de Autor en Internet
http://www.nosolousabilidad.com/articulos/da_internet.htm

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my do list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: jerryat...@aol.com jerryat...@aol.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


From: Galo elositofelizdelacolacort...@yahoo.com.mx
Date: July 18, 2013 10:02:53 PM CDT
To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
Reply-To: iztaxochitla-ow...@yahoogrupos.com.mx


Reportaje del periódico El Universal en México sobre el sótano de las 
Golondrinas. En las entrañas del abismo más profundo de la Huasteca Potosina, 
en compañía de un espeleólogo. 

Link: 
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/graficosanimados13/EU_Sotano_Golondrinas/

Saludos

Galo





16° Congreso Internacional de Espeleología. Brno, 21 a 28 de julio de 2013
http://www.speleo2013.com/

Goldschmidt 2013. 25-30 de agosto. Florencia
http://goldschmidt.info/2013/index

Balkan Speleological Conference. 28-30 March 2014, Sofia
http://www.balkan-speleo-2014.eu/eng/home.html

XII Congreso IAEG. Torino, Italia. 15 a 19 de septiembre de 2014.
http://www.iaeg2014.com/

Entrañas del Mundo Perdido
http://www.charlesbrewercarias.com/

Glackma: Glaciares, criokarst y medio ambiente
http://www.glackma.es/

Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
http://quimred.fq.uh.cu/sec/

Cultura de Montaña http://www.culturademontania.com.ar

Espeleofoto http://www.espeleofoto.com/

Arqueología subacuática
http://www.inah.gob.mx/paseos/SubAcuatico/SubAcuatico.html

Aviso de Tormentas Intensas y Granizo: 
http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/avisos/tormentas/tormenta.html

Pronóstico de lluvias y temperaturas en las principales ciudades de México
http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/mcs/mcs09b.html

Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleólogicas - UMAE
http://www.umae.org

Espeleo Rescate México
http://www.espeleorescatemexico.com/

¿Quieres venir a México?
http://www.inami.gob.mx/principal.asp

FEALC - http://www.fealc.org/

Unión Internacional de Espeleología - UIS
www.uis-speleo.org

International Journal of Speleology http://www.ijs.speleo.it/index.php?lang=spa

Código de Etica de la UIS para la Exploración y Ciencia Relacionadas con 
Cuevas en Países Extranjeros
http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-en.html (inglés)
http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-es.html (español)

Contactos UIS en cada país:
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Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

On a related note:  This message from a friend.

-
 

I just wanted to highlight the new app for tablets from
Google Maps.  One of the key features is the ability to save aerial
imagery and other layers for later use when you do not have reception.  This
is not an obvious feature, but it is important:
 
From: 
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/an-improved-google-maps-app-for-apple-and-android-devices/
 
“* Offline maps. This feature is something of an Easter egg. It’s
undocumented, a feature inserted by Google engineers simply because they wanted
it. You can access it only if you know the secret. But wow, is it worth it.
This feature memorizes the map data for whatever area is displayed on your
screen right now (up to a whole city in size). That way, you can use Google
Maps even when you’re overseas and don’t want to turn on data roaming (because
that’s insanely expensive), or when you’re in an area where there’s no cell
reception. It’s very handy.
To capture a map snapshot like this, tap in the Search box. Use the
speech-recognition button and say, “OK Maps.” (It’s a riff on the command “OK
Glass” that prepares Google Glass, the company’s “smart headband,” for voice
commands.)
A message quietly lets you know you’ve successfully stored the displayed
area.”
 
You can also do this with other apps, but this will be a
convenient feature to have on Google Maps.
---


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth
 

         Rick Royer just pointed out an even better way to get 
topographic maps overlain onto Google Earth.  First be sure that the 
option Show web results in external browser 
(Tools/Options/General/Display) is turned off in order for this to 
load within Google Earth; otherwise you get it in an external web 
browser instead.  In the Layers area at the bottom left, click on 
Earth Gallery.  That brings up a web page with all sorts of add-ons 
for Google Earth.  Click on the Terrain  Elevation link, and then on 
Historical Topographic Maps (USGS).  That adds a new Layer of 
seamless topo maps similar to the method below, except that the 
resolution is better.  The opacity can be controlled by the slider, 
just as before.  Very nice!

Mark

At 03:45 PM 5/21/2013, Mark Minton wrote:
         A couple of years ago I posted a method to get seamless 
 topo map coverage as an overlay in Google Earth.  The method 
 presented there (topomaps.kmz) no longer works, but I've found a 
 replacement.  Go to 
 https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/gec-dynamic-data-layers/spApcsugU4g
  
 and get the new file exolife.kml (_not_ the attachment at the end 
 of the message!).  It may install itself into Google Earth 
 automatically if GE is open; otherwise, just click on the file once 
 you have it, then right click on it in Google Earth and go to 
 Properties.  Under the Refresh tab, change View-Based Refresh to 
 After Camera Stops, with a time delay of 4 seconds.  This speeds up 
 loading time for regular views since the topo maps are not 
 constantly trying to download when you're just moving around.  Drag 
 the topomap overlay from Temporary Places to My Places so that you 
 will not have to load and configure it next time you want to use it.
         This works by linking to a server of topo maps; the actual 
 maps are not downloaded to your computer except for the view you 
 have up on the screen, so it does not take up a lot of memory or 
 storage space.  It creates an image overlay of the appropriate topo 
 map on top of the normal Google Earth satellite view.  It works in 
 combination with any other image overlays you may have, like the 
 .kml file for a cave line plot (exportable from Compass).  You can 
 vary the transparency of overlays from invisible to opaque using a 
 slider, so you can have as dark or light amount of topo info as you 
 want, or you can turn that layer off altogether.  This doubles as a 
 way to have seamless topo map coverage of the entire country.  Very handy!

Mark

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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
 made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
  
 Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
 progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
 older cave surveyors love our maps.
  
 By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
  
 Preston
  
 --
 - Original Message -
 From: Gill Edigar
 To: Cavers Texas
 Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 
 KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
 in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
 and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
 short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
 being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
 and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
 the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
 dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
 set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
 and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
 to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
 were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
 to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
 people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
 The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
 Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
 
 Those who attended:
 Don Broussard
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza 
 Amdy Gluesenkamp 
 David Locklear 
 John Schneider
 
 Visitors were:
 Bob West 
 Cindy Chamberlin-West 
 Thanks to everyone for helping out.
 
 --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
 made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
  
 Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
 progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
 older cave surveyors love our maps.
  
 By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
  
 Preston
  
 --
 - Original Message -
 From: Gill Edigar
 To: Cavers Texas
 Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 
 KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
 in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
 and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
 short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
 being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
 and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
 the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
 dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
 set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
 and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
 to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
 were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
 to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
 people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
 The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
 Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
 
 Those who attended:
 Don Broussard
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza 
 Amdy Gluesenkamp 
 David Locklear 
 John Schneider
 
 Visitors were:
 Bob West 
 Cindy Chamberlin-West 
 Thanks to everyone for helping out.
 
 --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
 made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
  
 Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
 progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
 older cave surveyors love our maps.
  
 By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
  
 Preston
  
 --
 - Original Message -
 From: Gill Edigar
 To: Cavers Texas
 Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 
 KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
 in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
 and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
 short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
 being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
 and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
 the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
 dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
 set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
 and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
 to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
 were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
 to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
 people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
 The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
 Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
 
 Those who attended:
 Don Broussard
 Gill Ediger
 Ernie Garza 
 Amdy Gluesenkamp 
 David Locklear 
 John Schneider
 
 Visitors were:
 Bob West 
 Cindy Chamberlin-West 
 Thanks to everyone for helping out.
 
 --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote:

 Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
 N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
 day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
 Lee Skinner

Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote:

 Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
 N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
 day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
 Lee Skinner

Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote:

 Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
 N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
 day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
 Lee Skinner

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Pretty good story overall.  Thanks for sharing.


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: 'Peter Jones' pjca...@gwi.net; DONALD G.DAVIS dgda...@nyx.net 
Cc: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story
 

As my boss once told me I'll never hold you accountable for what you said to 
the press, only what the press said you said.

Misquotes are a common part of the job.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzq2vr_scientists-study-aquifer-contamination_news#.UY01JbXU_zA

Here is a little piece on tracer testing we did for the National Groundwater 
Association - groundwater summit that was held here in San Antonio a week ago. 
A local TV station wanted to do a short piece on the aquifer. They actually did 
a pretty good job considering WHO they had to work with.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:35 AM
To: DONALD G.DAVIS
Cc: Southwestern Region
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story

As I said to Peter Youngbaer, who commented that Hazel had been at the gates of 
hell in the past, perhaps she's the Gatekeeper..

Peter




On May 9, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

 I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have 
 been confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off 
 camera. I gave the reporter the chance to say it was like 20,000 
 leagues under the sea where it was referring to distance and not 
 depth; but, she didn't take it.
 
 William
 
     Maybe she was told that the top of the water table was 1,500 feet 
 deep in Lech., and remembered that as 15,000.
                             --Donald
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Re: [SWR] Local News Story

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Pretty good story overall.  Thanks for sharing.


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: 'Peter Jones' pjca...@gwi.net; DONALD G.DAVIS dgda...@nyx.net 
Cc: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story
 

As my boss once told me I'll never hold you accountable for what you said to 
the press, only what the press said you said.

Misquotes are a common part of the job.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzq2vr_scientists-study-aquifer-contamination_news#.UY01JbXU_zA

Here is a little piece on tracer testing we did for the National Groundwater 
Association - groundwater summit that was held here in San Antonio a week ago. 
A local TV station wanted to do a short piece on the aquifer. They actually did 
a pretty good job considering WHO they had to work with.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:35 AM
To: DONALD G.DAVIS
Cc: Southwestern Region
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story

As I said to Peter Youngbaer, who commented that Hazel had been at the gates of 
hell in the past, perhaps she's the Gatekeeper..

Peter




On May 9, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

 I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have 
 been confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off 
 camera. I gave the reporter the chance to say it was like 20,000 
 leagues under the sea where it was referring to distance and not 
 depth; but, she didn't take it.
 
 William
 
     Maybe she was told that the top of the water table was 1,500 feet 
 deep in Lech., and remembered that as 15,000.
                             --Donald
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Just a few more rocks to go!
(again)


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 


KIWI SINK Dig--Sunday 21 April 2013--We were a little early but took time to 
visit with Kiwi and his new really, really nice dog. A few of us went to the 
bottom of the pit and contemplated the possibilities. They all involved mud. An 
area (based mostly on practicality, as is our wont) was selected to work on, 
that being the lowest part of the floor, comprising about 1/4th of the flatish 
area and that demarcated by immovable rock and that being about half of the pit 
bottom. The rest we won't talk about. Picks and digging hoes were soon in 
action facilitating the timely filling of 7 barrels and the upturning of 
several nuisance rocks and the collecting of bugs, some never before touched by 
the hand of man. A halt was called and the winch truck brought in. My notes say 
that 6 loaded barrels were hoisted and dumped and 3 rocks (M) and 1 rock (L) 
were also hoisted and consigned to the Has Been Hoisted Rock Pile before the 
winch approached critical mass and
 lifting was suspended. The time was 12:30. Another attack was made down in the 
pit and most of the barrels refilled. A couple of rocks impeded progress so, an 
hour having passed another halt was called to hoist again and to eat lunch. Two 
rocks (XL) and 1 rock (M) and 4 loaded barrels were hoisted and their contents 
disposed of. The day was still young and the diggers still eager. We were 
making good progress in the easy digging floor material. Before the afternoon 
was over we'd hoisted out another barrel and filled 5 more. Totals for the day 
were: 16 barrels loaded, 5 of which were left in the pit for later lifting. 
There were also 3 large rocks and 4 medium ones taken to the surface--sometimes 
doubled, sometimes piggybacked with a barrel, and sometimes all lonesome and 
alone. We'd worked our very selves into a hole digging toward the mysteries of 
the clean-washed breakdown chamber where only 2 digger dudes can fit to 
work--they should be friends--and
 barrel space was at a premium. It was nearly 5 before we got it all wrapped up 
and put away. Participants included:
     Diggers 
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger 
Galen Falgout 
Ernest Garza
Andy Gluesenkamp 
Terry Raines 
Ron Rutherford 
John Schneider 

Jubal Grubb stopped by to see what we were up to. 

This was the most productive day we've had so far. Thanks to all who helped.

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Just a few more rocks to go!
(again)


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 


KIWI SINK Dig--Sunday 21 April 2013--We were a little early but took time to 
visit with Kiwi and his new really, really nice dog. A few of us went to the 
bottom of the pit and contemplated the possibilities. They all involved mud. An 
area (based mostly on practicality, as is our wont) was selected to work on, 
that being the lowest part of the floor, comprising about 1/4th of the flatish 
area and that demarcated by immovable rock and that being about half of the pit 
bottom. The rest we won't talk about. Picks and digging hoes were soon in 
action facilitating the timely filling of 7 barrels and the upturning of 
several nuisance rocks and the collecting of bugs, some never before touched by 
the hand of man. A halt was called and the winch truck brought in. My notes say 
that 6 loaded barrels were hoisted and dumped and 3 rocks (M) and 1 rock (L) 
were also hoisted and consigned to the Has Been Hoisted Rock Pile before the 
winch approached critical mass and
 lifting was suspended. The time was 12:30. Another attack was made down in the 
pit and most of the barrels refilled. A couple of rocks impeded progress so, an 
hour having passed another halt was called to hoist again and to eat lunch. Two 
rocks (XL) and 1 rock (M) and 4 loaded barrels were hoisted and their contents 
disposed of. The day was still young and the diggers still eager. We were 
making good progress in the easy digging floor material. Before the afternoon 
was over we'd hoisted out another barrel and filled 5 more. Totals for the day 
were: 16 barrels loaded, 5 of which were left in the pit for later lifting. 
There were also 3 large rocks and 4 medium ones taken to the surface--sometimes 
doubled, sometimes piggybacked with a barrel, and sometimes all lonesome and 
alone. We'd worked our very selves into a hole digging toward the mysteries of 
the clean-washed breakdown chamber where only 2 digger dudes can fit to 
work--they should be friends--and
 barrel space was at a premium. It was nearly 5 before we got it all wrapped up 
and put away. Participants included:
     Diggers 
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger 
Galen Falgout 
Ernest Garza
Andy Gluesenkamp 
Terry Raines 
Ron Rutherford 
John Schneider 

Jubal Grubb stopped by to see what we were up to. 

This was the most productive day we've had so far. Thanks to all who helped.

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Just a few more rocks to go!
(again)


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
 


KIWI SINK Dig--Sunday 21 April 2013--We were a little early but took time to 
visit with Kiwi and his new really, really nice dog. A few of us went to the 
bottom of the pit and contemplated the possibilities. They all involved mud. An 
area (based mostly on practicality, as is our wont) was selected to work on, 
that being the lowest part of the floor, comprising about 1/4th of the flatish 
area and that demarcated by immovable rock and that being about half of the pit 
bottom. The rest we won't talk about. Picks and digging hoes were soon in 
action facilitating the timely filling of 7 barrels and the upturning of 
several nuisance rocks and the collecting of bugs, some never before touched by 
the hand of man. A halt was called and the winch truck brought in. My notes say 
that 6 loaded barrels were hoisted and dumped and 3 rocks (M) and 1 rock (L) 
were also hoisted and consigned to the Has Been Hoisted Rock Pile before the 
winch approached critical mass and
 lifting was suspended. The time was 12:30. Another attack was made down in the 
pit and most of the barrels refilled. A couple of rocks impeded progress so, an 
hour having passed another halt was called to hoist again and to eat lunch. Two 
rocks (XL) and 1 rock (M) and 4 loaded barrels were hoisted and their contents 
disposed of. The day was still young and the diggers still eager. We were 
making good progress in the easy digging floor material. Before the afternoon 
was over we'd hoisted out another barrel and filled 5 more. Totals for the day 
were: 16 barrels loaded, 5 of which were left in the pit for later lifting. 
There were also 3 large rocks and 4 medium ones taken to the surface--sometimes 
doubled, sometimes piggybacked with a barrel, and sometimes all lonesome and 
alone. We'd worked our very selves into a hole digging toward the mysteries of 
the clean-washed breakdown chamber where only 2 digger dudes can fit to 
work--they should be friends--and
 barrel space was at a premium. It was nearly 5 before we got it all wrapped up 
and put away. Participants included:
     Diggers 
Don Broussard
Gill Ediger 
Galen Falgout 
Ernest Garza
Andy Gluesenkamp 
Terry Raines 
Ron Rutherford 
John Schneider 

Jubal Grubb stopped by to see what we were up to. 

This was the most productive day we've had so far. Thanks to all who helped.

[Texascavers] New web page for Gurpo Borras-Cuba

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.gepab-sec.co.nf/

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

[Texascavers] New web page for Gurpo Borras-Cuba

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.gepab-sec.co.nf/

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

[Texascavers] New web page for Gurpo Borras-Cuba

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.gepab-sec.co.nf/

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi dig related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Finally, cave science I can get behind!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:39 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 On April 1st, a study will be conducted to determine the exact depth of the 
 entrance pit down to the millimeter.
 
 Several truckloads of 5 kilogram rocks will be dropped into the entrance and 
 using an iPhone app to measure the time of impact, and another app to 
 calculate the average depth, the depth will finally be known.
 
 Cavers will be needed to move the test samples downstream as to not affect 
 the depth of the pit.
 
 Study will be post-lined if there is air-flow, or if the humdity is above 80 
 %, or if the land-owner or project manager is not appreciative of the idea.

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi dig related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Finally, cave science I can get behind!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:39 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 On April 1st, a study will be conducted to determine the exact depth of the 
 entrance pit down to the millimeter.
 
 Several truckloads of 5 kilogram rocks will be dropped into the entrance and 
 using an iPhone app to measure the time of impact, and another app to 
 calculate the average depth, the depth will finally be known.
 
 Cavers will be needed to move the test samples downstream as to not affect 
 the depth of the pit.
 
 Study will be post-lined if there is air-flow, or if the humdity is above 80 
 %, or if the land-owner or project manager is not appreciative of the idea.

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi dig related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Finally, cave science I can get behind!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:39 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 On April 1st, a study will be conducted to determine the exact depth of the 
 entrance pit down to the millimeter.
 
 Several truckloads of 5 kilogram rocks will be dropped into the entrance and 
 using an iPhone app to measure the time of impact, and another app to 
 calculate the average depth, the depth will finally be known.
 
 Cavers will be needed to move the test samples downstream as to not affect 
 the depth of the pit.
 
 Study will be post-lined if there is air-flow, or if the humdity is above 80 
 %, or if the land-owner or project manager is not appreciative of the idea.

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

/2
 barrels and
  hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks,
 some in
  tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the
 jin-poles on
  the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be
 raised. Many suitcase
  sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for
 removal. Most
  made the transition to the surface; a few are still
 awaiting another
  session or two of backfill removal that will be needed
 before we can
  open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A
 rather large
  contingent of cavers showed up today, many without
 caving gear. The
  list of diggers:
  
  Dale Barnard
  Don Broussard
  Erin Brown
  Andrew Davison
  Gill Ediger
  Chris Franke
  Ryan Monjaras
  John Schneider
  Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.
  
  ...and visitors:
  Leslie Bell
  Jay Jorden
  RD Milhollan
  Andy Gluesenkamp
  
  Today was very productive.
  --Gill Ediger
  
  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

/2
 barrels and
  hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks,
 some in
  tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the
 jin-poles on
  the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be
 raised. Many suitcase
  sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for
 removal. Most
  made the transition to the surface; a few are still
 awaiting another
  session or two of backfill removal that will be needed
 before we can
  open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A
 rather large
  contingent of cavers showed up today, many without
 caving gear. The
  list of diggers:
  
  Dale Barnard
  Don Broussard
  Erin Brown
  Andrew Davison
  Gill Ediger
  Chris Franke
  Ryan Monjaras
  John Schneider
  Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.
  
  ...and visitors:
  Leslie Bell
  Jay Jorden
  RD Milhollan
  Andy Gluesenkamp
  
  Today was very productive.
  --Gill Ediger
  
  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

/2
 barrels and
  hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks,
 some in
  tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the
 jin-poles on
  the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be
 raised. Many suitcase
  sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for
 removal. Most
  made the transition to the surface; a few are still
 awaiting another
  session or two of backfill removal that will be needed
 before we can
  open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A
 rather large
  contingent of cavers showed up today, many without
 caving gear. The
  list of diggers:
  
  Dale Barnard
  Don Broussard
  Erin Brown
  Andrew Davison
  Gill Ediger
  Chris Franke
  Ryan Monjaras
  John Schneider
  Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.
  
  ...and visitors:
  Leslie Bell
  Jay Jorden
  RD Milhollan
  Andy Gluesenkamp
  
  Today was very productive.
  --Gill Ediger
  
  
 
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[Texascavers] Travis County jobs

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.co.travis.tx.us/human_resources/jobs/opportunities.asp



 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

[Texascavers] Travis County jobs

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.co.travis.tx.us/human_resources/jobs/opportunities.asp



 
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700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

Re: [Texascavers] Book Review

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I received a copy of this book as a gift (family friends with the publisher).  
Pint's highly descriptive writing style and humorous, down-to-earth view of the 
world makes this book a fun read.  The caves he describes are simply amazing 
and he makes it clear throughout that there is much, much more yet to be 
discovered under the sands.

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Book Review
 

UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint

 2012, Selwa Press  978-0-97011-575-1  $12.95 PB

(from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012)

What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi 
Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging 
and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working 
stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and 
(caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum 
and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and 
fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area 
rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access 
to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites 
and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the 
beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds 
enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath 
Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding
 surface.
-Caitlin Clark

Re: [Texascavers] Book Review

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I received a copy of this book as a gift (family friends with the publisher).  
Pint's highly descriptive writing style and humorous, down-to-earth view of the 
world makes this book a fun read.  The caves he describes are simply amazing 
and he makes it clear throughout that there is much, much more yet to be 
discovered under the sands.

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
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 From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Book Review
 

UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint

 2012, Selwa Press  978-0-97011-575-1  $12.95 PB

(from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012)

What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi 
Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging 
and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working 
stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and 
(caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum 
and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and 
fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area 
rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access 
to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites 
and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the 
beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds 
enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath 
Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding
 surface.
-Caitlin Clark

Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
 to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.
 
 As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
 engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix.
 
 George
 
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
 andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
 attractive nuisance.Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
 figurative) out.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
 george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought about 
 this problem for years.
 
 Lots of water and debris flow through the entrance, and it is sometimes 
 completely submerged during heavy rains.  It's a major drain for the area.
 
 What kind of bat-friendly grate would you recommend that wouldn't keep 
 plugging up with debris and cause flooding as well as blocking bat access?
 
 George
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Wow Mike,
  
 Sure sounds like a decent bat friendly gate install would have saved you a 
 great deal of public and caver goodwill and protected the cave a hell of a 
 lot better. I hope other cave managers are taking note of the difficulties 
 you are having and learning from them. 
  
 Wes~
  
 From: mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:24:59 -0500
 
 Subject: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
 
 Beck Ranch Cave Update
 
  
 
  
 
 In 1999, the Texas Cave Conservancy entered into a cave management agreement 
 with the Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District.  This  is one of the few 
 caves under TCC management that does not have a cave gate.  The cave 
 entrance was not gated in order for the bats to be able to enter and exit 
 the cave.   A high quality nine- foot tall iron fence was build  to attempt 
 to control access.  Local teenagers were using it for a party cave. The 
 fence allowed us to greatly reduce the party traffic so we could protect the 
 cave.
 
  
 
 Today, locals continue to trespass and go into the cave.  Texas 
 cavers are going in without permission as well.  Both the locals and the 
 cavers have been confronted by law enforcement and issued citations for 
 trespassing.  In addition, the TCC has not been able to prevent the 
 authorized caver groups from creating problems such as changing cloths in 
 the parking lot of a public park.  Cavers in their underwear, and less, have 
 made it difficult to keep cave open.
 
  
 
 As a result, all authorized trips will be for cave management 
 activities such as cave clean up, the bi-annual monitoring, fire ant control 
 and inspection, etc. These trips will be set up by the Texas Cave 
 Conservancy.  We will host an annual cave clean up and restoration visit.  
 The next clean up day will be Saturday -February 23, 2013. If you are 
 interested in assisting us in conducting the cave management activities, 
 send us your name in an e-mail to tcc-ca...@austin.rr.comWe will place 
 you on the list and contact you prior to our work project.
 
  
 
 Further, the TCC would like to make it very clear to Texas 
 cavers that steps have been taken to alert law enforcement when unauthorized 
 visitation is taking place.  The TCC now has to notify the cave owner prior 
 to each authorized visit.  A Neighborhood Watch system is in place to 
 observe the cave.  A house near the cave can easily observe people entering 
 the cave and call for law enforcement.   In addition, electronic monitoring 
 should greatly increase the number of trespassers arrested.  We have been 
 notified that all unauthorized visitors that are detected will be arrested 
 and charged with trespassing. This will include cavers.
 
  
 
 We want to thank all of the cavers that worked with us to protect the cave. 
 Your work has made a difference.  The TCC has done everything possible, 
 short of these new actions, to prevent problems.  I will be at the Texas 
 Caver’s Reunion in October if you would like to ask questions.  Once again, 
 Thank You for working with the Texas Cave Conservancy.
 
  
 
  
 
 Mike Walsh   President-Texas Cave Conservancy
 
  
 
 512-249-2283
 
  
 
 mikewaus...@austin.rr.com