[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread David Gifford
Thanks Tobias for this plugin!

Here is an experiment I did with

1. Your catlist (didn't notice the rename until just now)
2. A Google font I particularly enjoy
3. textlines table CSS
4. Images in the same folder

http://giffmex.org/history/history.html

Dave

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-6, James wrote:

 Hi All,

 First of all, I am aware of the existing function TableOfContentsMacro 
 Expandable, but the function only show the hierarchy of tags and sub-tags.

 I am looking for a solution to automate the Table of Content using the 
 tags.

 For instance,

 Economics
 - Journals
 - Articles
 Business
 - Journals
 - Whitepaper

 :. Tiddlers that tagged with Journals are tagged with Economics.  
 Those tiddlers tagged with Journals and NOT Economics will no show in 
 the list.

 I have a bunch of journals categories into different subjects and 
 categories.  How can I generate a list like above?

 Thanks for your time.  I apology if the explanation is too confusing.


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[tw] Re: You have got to see this!

2015-01-13 Thread Mat
WARNING! It crashes both FF and Chrome for me.

Duarte, may I humbly suggest you delete your initial post and either post 
again in this thread (if that is possible) or post a new thread. And write 
the exact same thing but starting with Warning - this may crash your 
browser or I think we'll see a lot of crashing here.

...but h, I'm so curious what this looks like. How do I enable WebGL, 
if this is necessary as Andreas indicates.

:-)


On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 3:48:56 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 Check out the second opened tiddler in the attached file. Just click and 
 drag over it, or use the mousewheel/scroll and middle mouse button
 Bet you never expected to see that huh? Fully embedded, no tricks, no 
 external files or dependencies, and absolutely no coding.












 If you are interested in the more technical details I shed a little light 
 on the subject:
 What you see there is a WebGL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL3D 
 model of the *VectorTiddler *used in the community poster I recently 
 created.
 Since it is a vector SVG file it could be imported into Blender 
 http://www.blender.org/, an open source 3D modeling application, as 
 usable geometry where I worked the 2D shape into a simplistic 3D model 
 (adding in the process all other details and animation).
 From there all I had to do was export the 3D model using Blend4Web 
 http://www.blend4web.com/en/'s fantastic plugin which exports 3D models 
 into self contained HTML files containing all 3D model geometry data, 
 textures, lighting and animation and the required engile to render it all 
 (much like TiddlyWiki self is contained).
 After that it was only a matter of importing the resulting WebGL enabled 
 HTML file into tiddlywiki which promptly rendered it without a glitch.

 Wonderful what web technologies can do these days without any coding 
 knowledge. It should even work on your mobile/tablet fully offline.



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[tw] Marathoners

2015-01-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
Are there any marathoners in the group besides me? If so, how are you using 
tiddlywiki in your quarantining?

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[tw] Re: Marathoners

2015-01-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
Accursed autocomplete. If so, how are you using tiddlywiki in your 
marathoning?

On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-6, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 Are there any marathoners in the group besides me? If so, how are you 
 using tiddlywiki in your quarantining?


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Re: [tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Jimmy Liew
Hi Tobias,
Thanks for you response on this.  I really appreciate that. [?]

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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also added here...

 Listing Tiddlers By Category @ tb5
 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Listing%20Tiddlers%20By%20Category

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] You have got to see this!

2015-01-13 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi Duarte,

looks pretty cool, though I had to specifically enable WebGL in my 
Browser for it to work. I also know that people can create interactive 
stuff and even short movies in Blender. Does that mean, that the plugin 
can also export those ?
I would imagine that the HTML file gets fairly big then (its not 
excactly small right now), but it would be theoretically possible, 
wouldn't it ?


/Andreas


Am 14.01.2015 um 03:48 schrieb Duarte Farrajota Ramos:
Check out the second opened tiddler in the attached file. Just click 
and drag over it, or use the mousewheel/scroll and middle mouse button
Bet you never expected to see that huh? Fully embedded, no tricks, no 
external files or dependencies, and absolutely no coding.













If you are interested in the more technical details I shed a little 
light on the subject:
What you see there is a WebGL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL3D 
model of the /VectorTiddler /used in the community poster I recently 
created.
Since it is a vector SVG file it could be imported into Blender 
http://www.blender.org/, an open source 3D modeling application, as 
usable geometry where I worked the 2D shape into a simplistic 3D model 
(adding in the process all other details and animation).
From there all I had to do was export the 3D model using Blend4Web 
http://www.blend4web.com/en/'s fantastic plugin which exports 3D 
models into self contained HTML files containing all 3D model geometry 
data, textures, lighting and animation and the required engile to 
render it all (much like TiddlyWiki self is contained).
After that it was only a matter of importing the resulting WebGL 
enabled HTML file into tiddlywiki which promptly rendered it without a 
glitch.


Wonderful what web technologies can do these days without any coding 
knowledge. It should even work on your mobile/tablet fully offline.


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Re: [tw] You have got to see this!

2015-01-13 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
To some extent yes, not all blender features are supported obviously, as it 
is a very complex program, and this is just an HTML file.
Size is indeed an issue, but some simpler animation techniques can be 
natively exported, and with some more skills (which I still lack) even 
basic interactivity can be achieved (IE simple games and manipulation, 
skeletal rigging etc)
If you are willing to get your hands dirty and do some coding you can 
probably achieve even some more stuff. There is an airplane demo 
https://www.blend4web.com/en/demo/island/ in Blend4web website that 
demonstrates its capabilities very well.

By the way, what browser are you using that requires manual enabling of 
WebGL?

On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 03:12:44 UTC, Andreas Hahn wrote:

  Hi Duarte,

 looks pretty cool, though I had to specifically enable WebGL in my Browser 
 for it to work. I also know that people can create interactive stuff and 
 even short movies in Blender. Does that mean, that the plugin can also 
 export those ? 
 I would imagine that the HTML file gets fairly big then (its not excactly 
 small right now), but it would be theoretically possible, wouldn't it ?

 /Andreas


 Am 14.01.2015 um 03:48 schrieb Duarte Farrajota Ramos:
  
 Check out the second opened tiddler in the attached file. Just click and 
 drag over it, or use the mousewheel/scroll and middle mouse button
 Bet you never expected to see that huh? Fully embedded, no tricks, no 
 external files or dependencies, and absolutely no coding.












 If you are interested in the more technical details I shed a little light 
 on the subject:
 What you see there is a WebGL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL3D 
 model of the *VectorTiddler *used in the community poster I recently 
 created.
 Since it is a vector SVG file it could be imported into Blender 
 http://www.blender.org/, an open source 3D modeling application, as 
 usable geometry where I worked the 2D shape into a simplistic 3D model 
 (adding in the process all other details and animation).
 From there all I had to do was export the 3D model using Blend4Web 
 http://www.blend4web.com/en/'s fantastic plugin which exports 3D models 
 into self contained HTML files containing all 3D model geometry data, 
 textures, lighting and animation and the required engile to render it all 
 (much like TiddlyWiki self is contained).
 After that it was only a matter of importing the resulting WebGL enabled 
 HTML file into tiddlywiki which promptly rendered it without a glitch.

 Wonderful what web technologies can do these days without any coding 
 knowledge. It should even work on your mobile/tablet fully offline.

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[tw] Re: You have got to see this!

2015-01-13 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Wow that is unexpected, I tested here on my end in both Firefox Chromium 
and Slimjet (chrome based browser) and no crashes whatsoever in my Windows 
Computer.
Something else must be wrong on your end, even my Android phone opened it 
without any problems. Is you computer aging or low on memory?

In theory, to my knowledge you shouldn't need to enable anything, WebGL is 
supposedly an integral part of the webpage, no plugin are used. At least I 
was never asked to enable anything here, that is why I asked Andreas what 
browser he was using.
Anyway try this link here and see if it crashes, outside a tiddlywiki: 
http://www.duarteramos.pt/gallery/webgl/tiddler3d.html



On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 05:14:05 UTC, Mat wrote:

 WARNING! It crashes both FF and Chrome for me.

 Duarte, may I humbly suggest you delete your initial post and either post 
 again in this thread (if that is possible) or post a new thread. And write 
 the exact same thing but starting with Warning - this may crash your 
 browser or I think we'll see a lot of crashing here.

 ...but h, I'm so curious what this looks like. How do I enable 
 WebGL, if this is necessary as Andreas indicates.

 :-)


 On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 3:48:56 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
 wrote:

 Check out the second opened tiddler in the attached file. Just click and 
 drag over it, or use the mousewheel/scroll and middle mouse button
 Bet you never expected to see that huh? Fully embedded, no tricks, no 
 external files or dependencies, and absolutely no coding.












 If you are interested in the more technical details I shed a little light 
 on the subject:
 What you see there is a WebGL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL3D 
 model of the *VectorTiddler *used in the community poster I recently 
 created.
 Since it is a vector SVG file it could be imported into Blender 
 http://www.blender.org/, an open source 3D modeling application, as 
 usable geometry where I worked the 2D shape into a simplistic 3D model 
 (adding in the process all other details and animation).
 From there all I had to do was export the 3D model using Blend4Web 
 http://www.blend4web.com/en/'s fantastic plugin which exports 3D 
 models into self contained HTML files containing all 3D model geometry 
 data, textures, lighting and animation and the required engile to render it 
 all (much like TiddlyWiki self is contained).
 After that it was only a matter of importing the resulting WebGL enabled 
 HTML file into tiddlywiki which promptly rendered it without a glitch.

 Wonderful what web technologies can do these days without any coding 
 knowledge. It should even work on your mobile/tablet fully offline.



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[tw] Re: Is Twiki better than Tiddlywiki?

2015-01-13 Thread DaComboMan
Did have problem with Danielo's highlight search plugin.
Recently posted to him a few days ago, asking for update.
Still no reply.

Updating to latest TW5 was a serious issue, yet to be resolved.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/DFIlKS17ysA

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Alfonso Arciniega
Beautiful poster!

Now, here is another idea. Would it be possible to inverse the background 
colours (black = white and vice-versa) and some minor adjustments and make 
wallpapers for different monitor resolutions? Would anyone there would like 
to have such wallpaper image?

Cheers,

Alfonso

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[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Branimir,

You're very welcome.

Note, if it's not already obvious, that the diagrams' colours, line 
thicknesses, etc can be adjusted via CSS. The plugin contains a default CSS 
tiddler.

Do people like the default colour scheme? It's simply what came with the 
underlying diagram library, but could be modified if desired.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 So make another one. I mean it sincerely (not sarcastically). Really, 
 there are probably others that feel like you and maybe you have a better or 
 at least optional idea.


Inkscape = open svg = enter group = edit text = save = done. :-)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Saving my Wiki online

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
In a TWc on TiddlySpot, find a tiddler called *TspotControls*.
There you have a link to download your wiki.

Alternatively, create a link to your tiddlyspot in a tiddler.
Right click that link and save as.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Is Twiki better than Tiddlywiki?

2015-01-13 Thread Jed Carty
It isn't an inplace upgrade,that isn't a bug. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Rich,
 

  I did some preliminary research and found this page from Google 
 https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-settings/downloads, 

not sure if that helps though.


Not at all, it is an API for groups settings only...

https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-settings/v1/reference/groups
 

 In Classic TW you could create several broken up TW and bring them 
 together in one.


If your envisioned end-goal is to bring them together
then it doesn't matter if they were stored as different tiddlywikis.

You are thinking of bringing a big lot of individual Wiki's
together in one TiddlyWiki and it's literally impossible at that scale.
Just halt there for a second and imagine your browser asking google to
give me all TiddlyWiki posts, now, since 200X.
You see where we're headed?
It's a place called nowhere.

So I guess that is another question at what point is a TW dataset too big 
 for a single HTML file 

and can TW5 do that same Classic Trick of creating many small TW5's that 
 feed a main TW5?


Support for that in TWc is rather limited and the kind of support there is 
actually makes one big TiddlyWiki out of it.

The point is getting ready and working on what we can so we are prepared 
 when we have something 'federated'.


Federation does not mean replacing the google groups.
It means an ability to work together in a well defined context, like a 
singe google groups thread,
perhaps a more or less small project involving a handfull of threads.

It also helps get things started for federated TW by looking at a problem 
 that would directly use it.


Yes, but the way you do this is *not* by starting with the motherlode.
 

 Or better said as a question, 

How do we deal with Nested Multiperson discussions?


Now we're getting somewhere, so...

   1. find a solution for a multiuser environment with TiddlyWiki
  - see how quickly we arrived at server-land?
   2. see if you can establish something like nested discussions
  - also server-land in terms of making efficient queries
   
...in that order only.

Take away the federation for a second,
 I am talking about simply inside a TW5,
 how would you show a forum post?


What is a forum post without a forum? ...but a circumcised archive with 
unsutable markup on top.
Otherwise ...you would do that by importing / syncing the newsgroup with 
some filesystem replicating it.
Then you would have a big mess and even less than google groups and no 
collaboration.

Is there a better way to handle 'threaded' material than what we already 
 have the ability to do?


Not in TiddlyWiki, otherwise we'd be using it. 

You brought up a point I was unaware of that there is no server side 
 node.js search,
 then how do you search with node.js TW then?


Either by using TiddlyWiki as the file that gives you interactivity... and 
node.js rendering it.
Or by using things like google search or duckduckgo with your static files,
or using something like tipue 
http://static.tiddlyspot.com/#Search%20Via%20Tipue... for a single 
manageable wiki only,
however, not for what you call a forum like google groups.

Here is an exercise and what got me to start thinking about this issue in 
 the first place.
 Take one small thread(3 - 5 posts) how can we work with that single issue 
 data set inside TW5?


You could use something like taggly tagging to achieve that, in TiddlyWiki.
That would require all the posts from the thread already being loaded.

But, again, we are talking Big Server here, if you want a multiuser forum.
So, forget how TiddlyWiki works for a second and look at server-sides.

If anything, only tiddlyweb is capable right now to provide both the store 
and search api right now.

This post was and is to explore exactly where our issues are besides 
 'federation' and to start plugging the gaps we can.


Yes, but the gap is not one from no federation to google groups.
If that is your defined gap, then it makes it difficult to take steps.
 

 I saw the gaps with
 1. Getting the data and figuring out how to work with it.
 1a. There might be some magic plug in that would allow us to view google 
 group data inside TW for all I know.


I'm afraid, that's not how such projects work.
You start with simple, manageable chunks.
We're not in data-mining land, we're in interactive collaboration land,
with workflows and processes, not just unshakeable data that just sit 
somewhere.

So, we start blank, then we accumulate data and if things go awry, we start 
fixing the little things.
We don't start by dumping mountains of tiddlers in a pond expecting to find 
that one tiddler better, just like that.
I mean, if some data-mining expert would provide an even more powerful 
tiddlyweb api, ok.
But all of that is outside the scope of TiddlyWiki, imho,
insofar as TiddlyWiki would only be the place to show the stuff,
but not at all to actually store all that... or to make it accessible via 
queries.
 

 2. How to view and work with this data inside TW5.


Therefore, if 

[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 Do people like the default colour scheme? It's simply what came with the 
 underlying diagram library, but could be modified if desired.


If that is the case, I certainly wouldn't make t black.

Here's what I would do...

svg.railroad-diagram path,
svg.railroad-diagram rect {
stroke-width: 2;
stroke: #333;
}

svg.railroad-diagram path.arrow {
stroke-width: 2;
}


It's a bit of a bummer that the text is actually controlled via stroke and 
stroke-width,
but well, there's gotta be some limitations. ;-)

...or can that be wrapped in something with a class text?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Marathoners

2015-01-13 Thread Jon
Hi Stephen,

Not at all at the moment - I wonder if that's why I'm not getting any 
faster!
How are you using it?

Jon

On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 03:35:28 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 Accursed autocomplete. If so, how are you using tiddlywiki in your 
 marathoning?

 On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-6, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 Are there any marathoners in the group besides me? If so, how are you 
 using tiddlywiki in your quarantining?



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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker
Mat after reading what Tobias wrote I am not so sure that it is the best 
use of the time you have.

Now we're getting somewhere, so...

1. find a solution for a multiuser environment with TiddlyWiki
   - see how quickly we arrived at server-land?
2. see if you can establish something like nested discussions
   - also server-land in terms of making efficient queries

 ...in that order only.


I guess here is a basic test but I don't know how useful it would be.
Let me know your thoughts,

You or I or someone creates a 'Tiddler' lets call it 'Forum Post #1'
Then the other person drags and drops it into their TW5(some type of URL 
link between is created) and uses the New Here button(Or some method for 
tagging) and Replies.
During the day each person can reply back and forth and anyone can also add 
to the discussion on there own site.

To unify everyone at the end of the day(time could be more often) the 
TWAggregator could look at our 'community TW's' that we each have and have 
some basic TW functions to show all the threads with replies.
If you want you can then drag from the TW Aggregator somehow and continue 
the discussion on your own TW.

Sound like a test that makes sense or just a waste of time?

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: [TW5] YoutubePlugin (tentative)

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker


 not sure about the PluginName http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com/#PluginName


If you are making it more generic it depends on what you are going to play.
So if you are able to play audio streams, audio podcasts, YouTube Videos, 
Vimeo, other formats of stuff even 3d?
If it can do all that stuff then AnyPlayer or AllPlayer or maybe just 
simply ThePlayerPlugin
I liked the new TiddlyMap name so not really sure of a good Player name in 
the same vane.

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4

2015-01-13 Thread Alfonso Arciniega
Hi Jeremy,

I ran into one issue with this v0.0.4 in Windows 7: the application does 
not close properly (after you click the X, you still may see nw.exe in the 
Windows Task Manager). I found no way to open the application again until I 
open Task Manager and end the process manually.

Cheers,

Alfonso


On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 This release includes a major reworking of the internals of TiddlyDesktop. 
 It's really a bit early for general release, but we need feedback to 
 improve it. Please use it with great caution, and consider reverting to 
 v0.0.3 if you run into any problems.

 Download it here:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.4

 Please report any problems or suggestions here or via GitHub.

 ! New Features

 * Warning message when closing windows with unsaved changes (TWC and TW 
 5.1.8 and above only)
 * Help window
 * Toolbar for TiddlyWiki windows
 * Reveal original file in Finder/Explorer
 * Automatic backups

 Note that there is currently no way to hide the toolbar for TiddlyWiki 
 windows. This will be remedied soon!

 ! New Architecture

 TiddlyDesktop itself is now an instance of the Node.js edition of 
 TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki HTML files are run within embedded, sandboxed 
 iframes with the backstage TiddlyWiki providing services such as saving 
 to the file system.

 The advantage of this approach is that the user interface and 
 functionality of the desktop application can now be customised and extended 
 with exactly the same techniques that are used in regular TiddlyWiki.

 !! Coming Soon

 The functionality of this release barely matches that of the previous 
 v0.0.3 version, but it lays the groundwork for a number of other features 
 such as

 * configurable toolbars
 * hyperbookmarklets
 * page zoom
 * creating new wikis from standard editions and custom templates
 * dragging `_canonical_uri` links from the file system
 * multiple languages
 * one-click copying of text to the clipboard from within TiddlyWiki
 * global keyboard shortcut for clipping content
 etc.

 In doing this work on TiddlyDesktop over the last three weeks I've found 
 the answer to the question of its purpose: it is to provide a hosting 
 environment for TiddlyWiki documents that is as fertile to customisation, 
 extension and sharing as TiddlyWiki itself. Given the funding, I'd love for 
 this to preface the development of a smartphone/tablet app with similar 
 functionality. Is that something people would be interested in?

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread Mat


 I would think one of the first steps would be to download all the TW 
 Google Group Data(and Dev Data), Parse It, and Inject it into a TW5.
 Anyone have any clues on how to even start to do something like this?


Yes. In fact I have been thinking extensivly about exactly this as what I 
call the Archive http://tiddlynodes.tiddlyspace.com/#Archive, wichi is a 
static representation of the archived google groups discussions (and note 
that this post is already archived by the time you read it). It also 
evolves into the next step namely Summaries 
http://tiddlynodes.tiddlyspace.com/#Summaries intended as a more 
interactive system where anyone can add meta-data and refine the posts 
turning it into an effective knowledge reference for the community.

Eric actually informs me that the first step should not be too difficult. I 
happen to know of someone who has stored all previous discussions and it is 
merely a matter of scrubbing these and basically turn posts into tiddlers. 
Ok, more or less. 

As brought up in my thread Please help me specify this for Eric 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywiki/ZoOO-KocjoI, 
I have some hours of his expertise and hope to use them to the maximum for 
the benefit of the community. It is crucial however that it woudl be on 
something that the wizards among us would find interest in picking up on 
after his initial efforts on it because it is unlikely that any more 
complex project can be finalized in those few hours. If I were to spend 
those hours on what is discussed in this thread here, would any of you guys 
have a potential interest in taking the torch after? Obviously Eric might 
be interested in continuing with the contribution but that woudl be out of 
my control.

Please take a peek at the Archive and Summaries ideas and tell me what you 
think. Obviously it's all just ideas and I did get a bit carried away as I 
was working on so some bits may be over the top :-)

:-)


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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Jon
I really like the poster and was only commenting on the title. I think 
Your thoughts. Organized sounds stronger and avoids any messy 
associations.
Jon

On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 14:47:04 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Jon wrote:

 Great poster but really not keen on the messy


 So make another one. I mean it sincerely (not sarcastically). Really, 
 there are probably others that feel like you and maybe you have a better or 
 at least optional idea.

 I wasn't going to bring this up (...already, because I'm a bit exhausted 
 on this) but considering we're an open source group, we should ideally 
 develop open source TW posters. I have no idea if it is practical, but 
 I'm thinking there could be source files shared so that people can tweak it 
 to fit themselves. One major elephant in the room is the language issue, 
 calling for this. 

 :-)



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[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Tobias,

Thanks for those CSS suggestions. They're great improvements, that make the 
diagrams feel much less heavy and clunky.

 It's a bit of a bummer that the text is actually controlled via stroke 
and stroke-width

Eh? It's an SVG text element, controlled by normal CSS font properties. 
I've removed the bold setting.

The result can be seen at http://ae-railroad.tiddlyspot.com/

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Re: [tw] Re: Javascript Interaction with a Textarea

2015-01-13 Thread HansWobbe
+1 for this, simply because its been a very powerful methodology throughout 
my programming experience with APL's execute function and the expressions 
of LISP.  I certainly agree that power tools are dangerous (especially in 
these modern days of exploits) but that means you simply have to take 
care when using them and Trust the source of any that you accept.  Oh, 
and Make backups! :-)

Cheers,
Hans


I believe there is a certain demand for something equivalent to TiddlySpace 
 and...

 config.evaluateMacroParameters = full;

 ...allowing users and authors to explicitly enable javascript urls in 
 their wikis,
 even script tags ...via a different config tiddler.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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Re: [tw] Re: Imagemap in TW5?

2015-01-13 Thread HansWobbe
Tobias:

Thanks for suggesting fontAwesome.  I simply hadnt thought of it in this 
context, perhaps because I've been pondering the use of Inkscape.  I 
suspect fontAwesome will be better for Quick  Dirty solutions, but I 
don't have enough experience with either to be able to make a judgement at 
this time.

Cheers,
Hans


On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 4:47:23 PM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi Hans,
  

 :-) Bonus marks still available for ease of installation 


 That's the thing... svg is like HTML, a little... so either you get those 
 ready-made svg images that you want to use, or you need to hands-on build 
 them from scrath (cumbersome, with loads of unnecessary markup, a bit like 
 MS Word).

 An alternative would be to rather use something like FontAwesome to just 
 use.

 http://fontawesome.tiddlyspot.com

 Best wishes, Tobias.


 

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[tw] Re: Vis.js Library

2015-01-13 Thread HansWobbe
Congratulations indeed, Felix!

It's well deserved recognition of the outstanding work you've done.

Regards,
Hans

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Re: [tw] Re: javascript macro / macrocall problem

2015-01-13 Thread HansWobbe
Stephen  Jim:

Thanks for stimulating me to feel young again however fleetingly.  -- 
Hans ( 1968, IBM360/75 Computing Center staff @ U.Waterloo )  ... off to 
find the Geritol ... :-)


| Close. Not that it matters at all but... My first job as a programmer 
started in 1965. In November of 1979, I was a contributing editor of 
Creative  Computing magazine.  

  
 You win. :)

 Although even so I realized I am not good doing math with really big 
 numbers, because this is my 29th year programming professionally, not my 
 27th. Yikes!

 And I remember *Creative Computing*.

 Now in respect to the other list members, we greybeards should quit 
 discussing our back in the day bonafides. :)

 Hey, you kids! Get offa my dot matrix printer! (waves cane)
  

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello Alberto,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config 
button from each tab?

Thanks in advance.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] YoutubePlugin (tentative)

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Nice one, Alberto,

This part of the documentation may be interesting
in terms of getting the list of annotations with timed links...

http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com/#Lists

Also, the *(tentative)* in the title of this thread truly means that I 
every much intend to change the plugin title and location again as I really 
don't want this to have a focus on youtube only but rather as a more 
general plugin wrapper to annotate different kinds of media with extensions 
like youtube to support embedding whichever media-type at a given start 
position / for a given start-end-frame.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 You've got /styles instead of /style at the end of in the catlist 
 macro.


Thanks! 

I'm impressed by the speed with which you create these complicated macros. 
 You write them in far less time than it takes me to understand what you've 
 written! Do you find these sort of macros easy to read if you come back to 
 them a week later?


So long as I know / remember what they're supposed to do, yes. ^^ 
Documentation helps ;-)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
For some odd reason it now fails on tb5,
I have no idea what's going on.

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#catlist

Someone has a pointer?

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 Someone has a pointer?


Haha, turns out I already had another example with a macro called *catlist*. 
^^
Renamed that one to *catfields* as I think it's less relevant.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 Renamed that one to *catfields* as I think it's less relevant.


And again renamed to *cat-by-field*... anyhow:

A Hierarchy Without Tags @ tb5 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#A%20Hierarchy%20Without%20Tags

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Saving my Wiki online

2015-01-13 Thread Kourosh Newman-Zand
I've just started using TiddlyWiki and have a question.

How do I save my wiki that is on TiddlySpot and onto my own computer?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Mat
Jon wrote:

 Great poster but really not keen on the messy


So make another one. I mean it sincerely (not sarcastically). Really, there 
are probably others that feel like you and maybe you have a better or at 
least optional idea.

I wasn't going to bring this up (...already, because I'm a bit exhausted on 
this) but considering we're an open source group, we should ideally develop 
open source TW posters. I have no idea if it is practical, but I'm 
thinking there could be source files shared so that people can tweak it to 
fit themselves. One major elephant in the room is the language issue, 
calling for this. 

:-)

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #75 on Tuesday 30th December at 4pm GMT

2015-01-13 Thread PMario
I'm catching up :))

annotations: http://hangouts.tiddlyspace.com/#HangOut_075
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Q-NU6UAxI

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Alberto Molina
Danielo,

 

 Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and 
 I did not get this from the documentation
 You need at two things:

- A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines 
the caption and the icon.

 The macro tabCaption works like that (if I'm not wrong): it looks 
first for the fields inside the tab tiddler, if it doesn't find anything, 
it looks at the $/type/foo tiddler, and if nothing it uses a default icon.


- A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to 
include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic 
control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab 
manager.

 When I created the video annotations tab, I didn't need to tag it with 
$:/type/tag, but it is needed I don't remember why and for what, maybe for 
the $:/action/is/default to work. I have to check that.

There's no tab manager atm. The plan is to have a list of all the tabs 
used, with configuration options and a form+button for easy creating new 
tabs. Idem for the type manager.
 


- The macro tabContents uses the tag caption and icon to create 
the heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with 
the type tiddler you created.

 Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new 
 tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.


Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Alberto Molina
Hi Tobias,


1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.

 Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?


Yes, you're right. Maybe *mt.list.filter*, *mt.list.filter.heading*, 
*mt.list.filter.template, 
mt.tab.template*, etc.


 

 Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
 as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
 you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
 $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
 magic tabs tweaks). 

  

 I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here: 
 http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutabs.tiddlyspot.com%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNE0MHdJdh229zGaOMMkBuzvz0JgZA


 Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...

 *Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this 
 case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
 *Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation 
 tiddlers.


 Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression 
 that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or 
 *$:/type/annotation* or any other type?


Why an additional type tag ($:/type/annotation) ? It is not mandatory, but:

   1. that way it is easier to look for video annotations and create list 
   filters. You do the same using fields.
   2. if you fill the field *contents.tag* with that tag, the macro 
   tabContents will automatically display a list with a default filter 
   using that tab. But you can use your own list filter, either using the 
   field *list.filter*, or not using the tabContents.
   3. if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon, 
   a template, they are automatically used by the macros tabCaption and 
   inputSlider.
   4. last but not least: *that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class 
   citizens*, having their own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For 
   instance, you may want a tab specific to video annotations showing related 
   with the same topic, or documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic 
   as the video annotation. 



 How about something more implicit, like...

 *$:/type/**field/**yt-id*

 ...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for 
 magic-tabs? 


 And then have ...

 *contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*

 ...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and 
 *$:/type/annotation 
 *tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags 
 template?


Sorry, I don't understand your point.


 

 I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much 
 more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I 
 have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.


You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations, 
and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the 
*source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to 
create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.
 


 Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there 
 is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*... 
 because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and 
 all the handling that  goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items 
 whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not 
 have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those 
 tiddler titles in them.


Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them 
working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't remember 
if *source*.
 

 So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working 
 exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by 
 entering that related tiddler via a browse for some tiddler popup just 
 like we have for tags?


 Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it 
 appears.

 I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two 
 parents, sources, etc...?


Its complicated but it works. When I have more than one author for the same 
book, they are all specified in the *authors* field and are treated as if 
they were tags. Idem for the *about* and *parent* field. Can't explain 
here. 

 Best wishes,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
El martes, 13 de enero de 2015, 10:26:20 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:

 Hello alberto

 Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
 as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
 you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
 $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
 magic tabs tweaks). 


 If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
 nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
 $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
 and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
 appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
 the text. 
 I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
 icon.

 I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.



Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and I 
did not get this from the documentation
You need at two things:

   - A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the 
   caption and the icon.
   - A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to 
   include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic 
   control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab 
   manager.
   - The macro tabContents uses the tag caption and icon to create the 
   heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the 
   type tiddler you created.

Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new 
tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Alberto Molina
Hi Danielo,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config 
 button from each tab?


The button is created by the tabContents macro in 
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents*

 

If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
 nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
 $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
 and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
 appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
 the text. 
 I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
 icon.
 I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.


The macros use the $set widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler 
needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem 
because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes 
are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot 
of work.

Alberto


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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi James,

Have a look at...

http://catlist.tiddlyspot.com

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto, 


1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.

 Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
 as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
 you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
 $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
 magic tabs tweaks). 

 

I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here: 
 http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutabs.tiddlyspot.com%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNE0MHdJdh229zGaOMMkBuzvz0JgZA


Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...

*Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this 
 case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
 *Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation 
 tiddlers.


Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression 
that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or 
*$:/type/annotation* or any other type?

How about something more implicit, like...

*$:/type/**field/**yt-id*

...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for 
magic-tabs?

And then have ...

*contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*

...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and 
*$:/type/annotation 
*tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags 
template?

I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much 
more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I 
have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.

Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there 
is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*... 
because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and 
all the handling that  goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items 
whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not 
have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those 
tiddler titles in them.

So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working 
exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by 
entering that related tiddler via a browse for some tiddler popup just 
like we have for tags?

Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it 
appears.

I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two 
parents, sources, etc...?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



 The macros use the $set widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler 
 needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem 
 because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes 
 are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot 
 of work.

 Alberto


Yes, I noticed that :P but I did not know why. Now I'm trying to create a 
form to add a new doubt, but It is not related with its parent. I'm using 
 newNote doubt I noticed that the parameter of the newNote macro is 
the second part of the type tag, so it will be tagged as $:/type/doubt. I 
got some problems because I though it was just a caption, and I was 
using newNote Doubt so the doubts were not related. 

Things are starting to work!! Is there any other macro with less fields?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello alberto

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
 as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
 you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
 $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
 magic tabs tweaks). 


If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
the text. 
I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
icon.

I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugin for the-insensitive links?

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi f10,
 

 Never mind, I figured it out!

 I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere in this thread, but does 
 this allow the use of multiple-word aliases? For example:
 |first|first tiddler|the first tiddler|

 If so, is there a certain way I should be formatting the code to 
 accomplish that?


It should just work like that.
Did you run into problems? 

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Rich,
 

 I would think one of the first steps would be to download all the TW 
 Google Group Data(and Dev Data), Parse It, and Inject it into a TW5.
 Anyone have any clues on how to even start to do something like this?


Do you have any idea how much content that is?

If anything, it would have to be imported rather than injected into a 
node.js or tiddlyweb server instance.

Seeing as there is no server-side search module for node.js,
however for a not optimally connected tiddlyweb there is,
I really don't see why we would we even bother doing that right now.
What's the point?

Ideally we could start our own TW5 forum thing in the future with all the 
 data from the past and a method to show only TW5 or ust TWC data.


I don't know. You did notice that TiddlyWiki (currently) is not a 
multi-user environment.
So, first think about how you get there, then you can start thinking about, 
perhaps, and only perhaps, importing mountains over mountains of old 
stuff... for whatever reason.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Nice to see everything up and running, congrats! Hope it is useful and 
brings new users to the community.

@ PMario: Here you go (check the attachment).

I just noticed, there may occur some formatting problems with the SVG 
versions of all posters if the used fonts are not present in the users 
system, this applies to both the one attached here and the official one at 
tiddlywiki.com/poster (the PDF version it is safe though).

I've been working on a few more surprises on my own' Ill post them here 
when I get around to finish them. :)



On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 06:57:35 UTC, Jon wrote:

 Great poster but really not keen on the messy

 Jon

 On Monday, 12 January 2015 10:26:52 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Fellow tiddlywikians, it is with *great* pride I announce that we have 
 our first TiddlyWiki poster! 

 Jeremy expressed his liking and he and Duarte did the finishing job so 
 that we now have [drumroll]

 http://tiddlywiki.com/poster

 Thanks to the - not only astonishing art work of Duarte - but also his 
 generous extra work (for lack of a better term), there are *multiple* 
 versions, including a pdf-version 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/poster/images/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster_en.pdf 
 for direct printout on a common A4 / letter size paper. Easy as pie!!!

 Where is the best place to put it up? Can you think of somewhere? Imagine 
 if there were a few people around you who also enjoyed TiddlyWiki that you 
 could tiddlefiddle with :-)

 Who here will be the *first* to put one up?


 :-)



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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Tobias,

You've got /styles instead of /style at the end of in the catlist macro.

I'm impressed by the speed with which you create these complicated macros. 
You write them in far less time than it takes me to understand what you've 
written! Do you find these sort of macros easy to read if you come back to 
them a week later?

– æ

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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread Astrid Elocson
The federation techniques that Jeremy discussed in a recent hangout are 
probably the only plausible way to allow a collection of TiddlyWikis to 
function as a forum.

– æ

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Did some more updates.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto, Danielo,
 

 A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the 
 caption and the icon.


I find it rather confusing that this would be a tag.
Is that just a design choice or would it be a necessity?
All in all, there would only ever be one *mt.type* to a single tiddler, or 
not?

Or is it a tag to simplyify assigning it, to assure the user selects a 
valid value ...if he ever does so, manually.

The macro tabContents uses the tag caption and icon to create the 
 heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the 
 type tiddler you created.


I think it would be helpful if all these components would come prefixed, 
e.g.

mt-tab-contents

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Table of Content generate from tags

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Also added here...

Listing Tiddlers By Category @ tb5 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Listing%20Tiddlers%20By%20Category

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #76 will be on Tuesday 6th January at 4pm GMT

2015-01-13 Thread PMario
annotations: http://hangouts.tiddlyspace.com/#HangOut_076
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUtfd0gA_jk

have fun
mario

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[tw] Re: Hic trying to upgrade to 5.1.7

2015-01-13 Thread Matthew Petty
I also have a problem with 5.1.7, in that my create journal button no 
longer works.

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 6:45:20 PM UTC+4, DaComboMan wrote:

 When i drag/drop my password protected file over to TW webpage to upgrade 
 to 5.1.7, i am asked for password and do so.
 Then i upgrade (import) latest codes.
 When i click to save changes, the browser (Firefox) download feature is 
 activated to save the file.
 This isn't normal.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto,

*that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class citizens*, having their 
 own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For instance, you may want a tab 
 specific to video annotations showing related with the same topic, or 
 documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic as the video 
 annotation. 


Being tiddlers, annotations already are first class citizens... in 
TiddlyWiki.
So, what we magically desire are dedicated tabs that only show for certain 
citizens.
The question perhaps remains: What produces triggers a tab showing?
What identifier is used to trigger showing a tab?
To me, that is always some filter expression ...which we could associated 
with a tiddler tagged something like *$:/tags/MagicTab*.
A filter that is perhaps not even stored at that tab-tiddler directly, so 
as to decouple switching it on and off from the actual template.
 

 if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon, a 
 template, they are automatically used by the macros tabCaption and 
 inputSlider.


The core would probably do this via individual tiddlers, like...

   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/tab*
  - the tab template
   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/icon*
  - the icon for the thing
   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/field*
  - a (list) field that triggers showing the tab
   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/tag*
  - a tag that triggers showing the tab, in the form of *$:/type/tag*
   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/filter*
  - an entirely custom filter that triggers showing the tab
   - *$:/mt/types/type-name/lingo/en-GB/caption*
  - a caption for a given language, fallback being *en-GB*
   
...this ensures that core components only get partially overwritten but not 
completely, which would prevent getting template updates later on. So, for 
each tab, there would be a set of the above, perhaps all of which are 
optional, thus showing the tab for all tiddlers.

How about something more implicit, like...

 *$:/type/**field/**yt-id*


 Sorry, I don't understand your point.


The point was to trigger showing a tab not based on the presence of a 
certain tag,
but rather based on the presence of a certain field that would be used 
anyway... for a typed citizen.
The filter to show/hide tabs would possibly be able to handle both cases in 
one, e.g.

show either when...

   - tagged *$:/type/type-name*
   - field *mt-type *= *type-name*

You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations, 
 and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the 
 *source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to 
 create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.


Yes, so I'm thinking it does have to be a field, after all, rather than a 
tag.

Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them 
 working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't 
 remember if *source*.


They may be a pain in the neck, but I think for harmony's sake, all those 
relatiohship fields should be handled using list-fields and the kind of 
nomenclature that is required for them to work properly, be it a 1:many 
relationship or a mere 1:1... and one day, hopefully, the same ui as is 
given to the *tags* field... plus the ordering.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4

2015-01-13 Thread Branimir Braykov
I just want to add I had the same problem. I needed to kill the nw.exe tree 
from within ProcessExplorer.
Then it started normally.

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 9:51:51 PM UTC+2, Matthew DeAbreu wrote:

 I seem to be having a slight problem with 0.0.4, I just downloaded it on 
 my work machine (Windows 8.1 Pro x64) and when I try to start it a window 
 briefly appears before quickly disappearing. After that 3 nw.exe remain in 
 the task manager but nothing seems to be happening. Do you know if any 
 logfiles are created so I can help find the cause of this problem?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 2:14:18 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 Nice to see everything up and running, congrats! Hope it is useful and 
 brings new users to the community.

 @ PMario: Here you go (check the attachment).


great thanks
-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] I asked a question a long time ago and it is still relevant today

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker


 Hi Rich,
  

 I would think one of the first steps would be to download all the TW 
 Google Group Data(and Dev Data), Parse It, and Inject it into a TW5.
 Anyone have any clues on how to even start to do something like this?


 Do you have any idea how much content that is?


Actually I don't know the data set size as I could not find any buttons to 
download all posts.
If I had I am sure I would have choked on my drink when I saw it.
That was also part of the reason I brought this up is 'How' do we get the 
data?
I did some preliminary research and found this page from Google 
https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-settings/downloads, not 
sure if that helps though.

In regards to the size of the content,
In Classic TW you could create several broken up TW and bring them together 
in one.
So I guess that is another question at what point is a TW dataset too big 
for a single HTML file and can TW5 do that same Classic Trick of creating 
many small TW5's that feed a main TW5?
I know with TW on Node.js and TiddlyWeb the data set will be more of a 
server issue than a file limitation / browser issue.
 

 If anything, it would have to be imported rather than injected into a 
 node.js or tiddlyweb server instance.

 Seeing as there is no server-side search module for node.js,
 however for a not optimally connected tiddlyweb there is,
 I really don't see why we would we even bother doing that right now.
 What's the point?


The point is getting ready and working on what we can so we are prepared 
when we have something 'federated'.
It also helps get things started for federated TW by looking at a problem 
that would directly use it.
Or better said as a question, How do we deal with Nested Multiperson 
discussions?
Take away the federation for a second, I am talking about simply inside a 
TW5, how would you show a forum post?
Is there a better way to handle 'threaded' material than what we already 
have the ability to do?

You brought up a point I was unaware of that there is no server side 
node.js search, then how do you search with node.js TW then?
 

 Ideally we could start our own TW5 forum thing in the future with all 
 the data from the past and a method to show only TW5 or ust TWC data.


 I don't know. You did notice that TiddlyWiki (currently) is not a 
 multi-user environment.
 So, first think about how you get there, then you can start thinking 
 about, perhaps, and only perhaps, importing mountains over mountains of old 
 stuff... for whatever reason.


Your point is very valid so lets inverse this and make it like all things 
TW just a single Tiddler.
All our posts are Tiddlers technically.
Do TW5 Tiddlers currently have enough details to allow it to be used as a 
Single Forum Post?
Can you tell from the Tiddler all the details you can tell from a simple 
'Hello' post on the google groups here?
What is missing, what is incomplete, what could be easier or better?

Here is an exercise and what got me to start thinking about this issue in 
the first place.
Take one small thread(3 - 5 posts) how can we work with that single issue 
data set inside TW5?

This post was and is to explore exactly where our issues are besides 
'federation' and to start plugging the gaps we can.
I saw the gaps with
1. Getting the data and figuring out how to work with it.
1a. There might be some magic plug in that would allow us to view google 
group data inside TW for all I know.
2. How to view and work with this data inside TW5.

Thanks Tobias and Astrid for taking the time to discuss this and for all 
your help as well.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Saving my Wiki online

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker
First, I don't use TiddlySpot all that much but a question came up from 
reading your question.

Are you trying to download your TiddlyWiki from TiddlySpot?
or
Are you trying to sync your TW from your computer to TiddlySpot?
or
Other - Neither of the above I am trying to do X or Y

Let us know some more details as I think that will help us to answer your 
question better.

Rich Shumaker

On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 7:01:16 AM UTC-8, Kourosh Newman-Zand wrote:

 I've just started using TiddlyWiki and have a question.

 How do I save my wiki that is on TiddlySpot and onto my own computer?

  

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[tw] Re: Is Twiki better than Tiddlywiki?

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker
My question is,
What will you use TiddlyWiki or for that matter any (InsertNameHere)Wiki 
for?
If you let us know that we might be able to direct you to someone who is 
using it that way.

If you are having issues using TW5 or TWC let us know and we might be able 
to help with that as well.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] [TWc] edittemplatefieldsplugin.tiddlyspace.com

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Mat,

Could you add me as a member?
Thanks.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Branimir Braykov
Railroad looks pretty much to what Oracle Docs are using. Extremely useful. 
I will now use it to document my shell scripts with options and parameters.
Thank you.

On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 1:13:24 AM UTC+2, Astrid Elocson wrote:

 Hi Tobias,

  They could even be shorter, if that's feasible.

 Good idea – done.

 The shorter arrow also means I no longer need to artificially increase the 
 height of the backward arc to avoid a cramped appearance.

 – æ


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #75 on Tuesday 30th December at 4pm GMT

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hey Mario,

Nice. :-)

Added some fields to the edit-template in @hangouts
to make entering that a little easier.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Nick Spies questions from Hangout #76

2015-01-13 Thread RichShumaker
Wow there is a lot here.
Nick if and when you read this you may want to start some of these 
questions as individual topics here on the group as the hangouts may or may 
not get to them.
Also it gives a wider range of people the chance to read and discuss as not 
everyone makes it to the hangouts.


 In the Vanilla theme, tags with dark background colors also have black 
 text, making them virtually unreadable. This is also true in the Snow White 
 theme. Also, no evident way to change text color as a workaround.


I am not sure if this helps but under the Control Panel is an Appearance 
TAB that allows you to change colors around.
There is also an editor for the color palette.
Here is a picture of what I am talking about.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ysr0kZsMOts/VLVGjra7BLI/DQE/LQBI1mM5YvE/s1600/NickSpiesQuestion.png


 I think it is very important to have an obvious manner to traverse a 
 tiddler in an easily predetermined order, even if this order is simply 
 dating a special class of tag, which determine what is before and after 
 current tiddler. Think of email, e.g.


The way I have been doing this is using 'New Here' when I do things 
manually.
So Tiddler #1 is created.
I then hit 'New Here' and create Tiddler #2 which is now TAG'd [[Tiddler 
#1]]
Once Finished I then hit 'New Here' on Tiddler #2 and now Tiddler #3 is 
Tag'd [[Tiddler #2]]
The only issue with this method is that now Tiddler #1 and #3 have no 
direct link even though they may need to be.
So I will also (sometimes) create a 'Subject' Tag that I use across all 3 
Tiddlers so they are all linked by a common 'Subject' TAG and not a stitch 
to a stitch to a stitch.

There should be an easy way to sort the tiddlers (if there is not already) 
 and sort their tags into a desired order. By easy I mean that this basic 
 functionality should be part of the GUI, as Find is now.


I think Tobias has this built into his TB5 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#GettingStarted if you are discussing what I 
think you are.
His site is really well laid out as he has the sections right up front and 
when you click on them you can see all the TAGs easily.
I am not sure if there is an 'easy' way to make this part of the core like 
'Search' and 'Advanced Search'.
TiddlyWiki allows you to create what you want rather 'easily' so it tries 
not to build in too many 'features' that may or may not be used.
If you need a 'feature' then you can add it or make it.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Perhaps a wee less background?
...adding some back on-hover.

svg.railroad-diagram {
background-color: hsl(30,20%,98%);
border-radius: 5px;
}

svg.railroad-diagram:hover {
background-color: hsl(30,20%,96%);
}

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Install from GitHub - how?

2015-01-13 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Mat,

I think the easiest way to do this is to use Node.js. (If there's an easier 
way, I'm sure someone else will soon let us know :)

Download a copy of Jeremy's repository by clicking Download ZIP at 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master and unzip it.

Then do the same for Felix's repository. His zip file contains a *dist* 
folder with a *felixhayashi* subfolder. Copy the *felixhayashi* folder so 
that it becomes a subfolder of the *TiddlyWiki5/plugins* folder in your 
unzipped copy of Jeremy's repository, i.e. so that it sits alongside the 
existing *tiddlywiki* folder there.

Then go to one of the subfolders of *editions*, e.g. *empty* or (to get 
some content to play with) *tw5.com*. In there you'll find a text file 
called *tiddlywiki.info*, which contains (among other things) a list of 
plugins. Add Felix's plugin to the end of the list, with a comma separating 
it from the previous item, like this:

plugins: [
tiddlywiki/googleanalytics,
 ...
tiddlywiki/railroad
*,felixhayashi/topstoryview*
],

Now all you need do is:

   - go to a terminal window or command prompt,
   - change directory to the TiddlyWiki5 folder of your copy of Jeremy's 
   repository (where a file called *tiddlywiki.js* resides),
   - run *node tiddlywiki.js editions/empty --server* (changing *empty* to 
   whichever edition you chose to add the plugin to),
   - and in your browser go to *http://127.0.01:8080/* (or whatever address 
   Node.js tells you it's serving the wiki on).

Good luck!

– æ

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[tw] Re: [TWC] Fet script question

2015-01-13 Thread sklpns
This is brilliant Tobias, thank you very much indeed.

sklpns

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[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 Eh? It's an SVG text element, controlled by normal CSS font properties. 
 I've removed the bold setting.

 The result can be seen at http://ae-railroad.tiddlyspot.com/


An oversight...
I could swear I saw the text change too when I changed that stroke width of 
the rect.
Mysterious. ^^

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Is Twiki better than Tiddlywiki?

2015-01-13 Thread Alex Hough
Q: Is Twiki better than Tiddlywiki?

A:
¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸(((º  No!

Alex

º);!{
http://asciifish.tiddlyspot.com/#--%20New%20Tiddler%2010%20--%20%3E%C2%BA)%3B!%3E%7B
 simple as you dare }!;( º
http://asciifish.tiddlyspot.com/#%7D%3C!%3B(%20%C2%BA%3E


On 13 January 2015 at 17:18, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote:

 It isn't an inplace upgrade,that isn't a bug.

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[tw] IndieGoGo Fundraiser Update - FINAL PUSH - THREE DAYS LEFT

2015-01-13 Thread Eric Shulman

The Inside TiddlyWiki IndieGoGo campaign has raised a total of $2640 from 
46 individual contributors, and has been visited over 1500 times by people 
from 50 different countries.  Unfortunately, despite the generous 
contributions to date, this is just 35% of the total $7500 funding goal, 
and the current fundraising campaign ENDS THURSDAY AT MIDNIGHT JANUARY 
15th/16th, 2015, which is JUST THREE MORE DAYS.

To help encourage a FINAL PUSH for additional contributions, I am repeating 
the special UPGRADES FOR THE $10 AND $100 PERKS through the end of the 
campaign.

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS OF $10 OR MORE WILL RECEIVE THE $50 FRIEND PERK:
* access to the Inside TiddlyWiki discussion group, where you can review 
early drafts of book content
* listed in the book credits as a Friend of Inside TiddlyWiki

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS OF $100 OR MORE WILL RECEIVE THE $500 PARTNER PERK:
* access to the Inside TiddlyWiki discussion group, where you can review 
early drafts of book content
* listed in the book credits as a Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki
* an autographed, first edition PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED BOOK
* 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services

Of course, I intend to work on writing Inside TiddlyWiki regardless of 
the final level of funding achieved by the IndieGoGo campaign.  However, 
without sufficient funding, my writing efforts will be necessarily 
intermittent at best, as I will need to keep my primary focus on other 
revenue-producing client work activities to cover my regular monthly 
operating expenses.

So... if you haven't contributed already, NOW is the time to visit the 
campaign page and make your donation TODAY:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual

Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services...
Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions:
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[tw] Re: Saving my Wiki online

2015-01-13 Thread Mat


 Alternatively, create a link to your tiddlyspot in a tiddler.
 Right click that link and save as.


He! never thought of that!

I'll just mention that it is *not* advisable to right click just on the 
page, or use some browser menu control, and save page as (windows). I'm 
not 100% sure why, but this is one of those old things I learnt. It maybe 
different in TW5 but since you're new and on tiddlyspot, I'm guessing 
you're using TWC.

:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The POSTER is up and ready for you to print out!

2015-01-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 I really like the poster and was only commenting on the title. I think 
 Your thoughts. 

Organized sounds stronger and avoids any messy associations.


+1

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

2015-01-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello Alberto,

Please consider making the tiddler *$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/lists/notes/filter 
*tags based. I had to edit it manually to ad my own type, and this is not 
good. As important as having the ability to add new tabs is to sumarize its 
tiddlers. Regards.

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4

2015-01-13 Thread Matthew DeAbreu
If anyone is having any issues opening the application, I would recommend 
you delete the files that node-webkit creates. You can find the default 
datapaths here: https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit/wiki/App#datapath 
then you will see a TiddlyWiki folder, delete that and then try starting 
TiddlyDesktop again.

That fixed the issue I mentioned earlier about it not starting for me 
however it still seems fairly unstable to me. For example, if I open a wiki 
and try to resize it then the whole application will freeze...

On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 4:02:48 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 This release includes a major reworking of the internals of TiddlyDesktop. 
 It's really a bit early for general release, but we need feedback to 
 improve it. Please use it with great caution, and consider reverting to 
 v0.0.3 if you run into any problems.

 Download it here:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.4

 Please report any problems or suggestions here or via GitHub.

 ! New Features

 * Warning message when closing windows with unsaved changes (TWC and TW 
 5.1.8 and above only)
 * Help window
 * Toolbar for TiddlyWiki windows
 * Reveal original file in Finder/Explorer
 * Automatic backups

 Note that there is currently no way to hide the toolbar for TiddlyWiki 
 windows. This will be remedied soon!

 ! New Architecture

 TiddlyDesktop itself is now an instance of the Node.js edition of 
 TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki HTML files are run within embedded, sandboxed 
 iframes with the backstage TiddlyWiki providing services such as saving 
 to the file system.

 The advantage of this approach is that the user interface and 
 functionality of the desktop application can now be customised and extended 
 with exactly the same techniques that are used in regular TiddlyWiki.

 !! Coming Soon

 The functionality of this release barely matches that of the previous 
 v0.0.3 version, but it lays the groundwork for a number of other features 
 such as

 * configurable toolbars
 * hyperbookmarklets
 * page zoom
 * creating new wikis from standard editions and custom templates
 * dragging `_canonical_uri` links from the file system
 * multiple languages
 * one-click copying of text to the clipboard from within TiddlyWiki
 * global keyboard shortcut for clipping content
 etc.

 In doing this work on TiddlyDesktop over the last three weeks I've found 
 the answer to the question of its purpose: it is to provide a hosting 
 environment for TiddlyWiki documents that is as fertile to customisation, 
 extension and sharing as TiddlyWiki itself. Given the funding, I'd love for 
 this to preface the development of a smartphone/tablet app with similar 
 functionality. Is that something people would be interested in?

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4

2015-01-13 Thread Mat
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 7:47:22 PM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,


Do note that Jeremy is away for a little while now, including the boards if 
I understood right. I think he mentioned two weeks.

:-)

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[tw] Install from GitHub - how?

2015-01-13 Thread Mat
I wish to try out Felix's TopStoryView 
https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TopStoryView (a result from this 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1290#issuecomment-69610167 
multi-facetted discussion) i.e a story view that focuses on putting 
tiddlers at top of storyview... but how do I proceed from GitHub? What do I 
need there and how do I actually install it into my TW?

Thank you!

:-)

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[tw] Re: Install from GitHub - how?

2015-01-13 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Mat!

Astrid already exhaustively described how to install it using github and 
node.js (thanks @astrid).

Another way of course is to go to the TiddlyMap demo site's config and 
drag'n'drop the plugin from there.

-Felix


I wish to try out Felix's TopStoryView 
 https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TopStoryView (a result from this 
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1290#issuecomment-69610167 
 multi-facetted discussion) i.e a story view that focuses on putting 
 tiddlers at top of storyview... but how do I proceed from GitHub? What do I 
 need there and how do I actually install it into my TW?

 Thank you!

 :-)


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