[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin: dynamic table gets search ui

[passingby]

🙏 As always, par excellence.
Thank You!

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 1:52:36 AM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 11:04:08 PM UTC-7 passingby wrote:
>
>> I have both of your tiddlers copied. And as expected the PowerSearch 
>> works on its own perfectly. I have also installed the Shiraz plugin and 
>> working on its own as well. Then I created another tiddler containing the 
>> overriding definitions which you've given here ( I had to change the macro 
>> call name to table-dynamic which I assume changed at a later date). I can 
>> see that PowerSearch is being called because the result table is shown but 
>> I don't have PowerSearch UI. What might I be doing wrong?
>>
>
> It's been more than 2 years since I wrote those instructions for 
> "overriding definitions".
> As you noted, in that intervening time, the Shiraz macro name changed from 
> "table-fd" to "table-dynamic".
> In addition, the underlying PowerSearch and edit-list code have also been 
> extensively re-written and
> re-factored several times, so some of those macro names and surrounding 
> syntax have changed as well.
>
> Instead of writing:
>  
>
>> \import TiddlyTools/FilterGenerators/PowerSearch
>>>
>>> \define doSearch_showresults()
>>> <$macrocall $name=table-fd
>>>  filter=<> tblClass=""
>>>  fields="tbl-expand title fa fb fc caption tags"
>>>  stateTiddler=n
>>>  tblCaption="''Table 2. Dynamic table example''"/>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> \define getOptions() 
>>>
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> <$vars
>>>   tids={{{ [get[text]]   ~[[tiddlers]]}}}
>>>pre={{{ [get[text]]}}}
>>>tag={{{ [get[text]]}}}
>>>  field={{{ [get[text]] ~[[title,text,tags]] }}}
>>>   flag={{{ [get[text]]  ~[[words]]   }}}
>>>   term={{{ [get[text]]   }}}
>>>   sort={{{ [get[text]]  ~[[title]]   }}}>
>>><>
>>> 
>>>
>>  
> Try this:
> ```
> \import TiddlyTools/FilterGenerators/PowerSearch
> \define doSearch_showresults()
> <$macrocall $name=table-dynamic filter=<> tblClass=""
>
>  fields="tbl-expand title fa fb fc caption tags"
>  stateTiddler=n tblCaption="''Table 2. Dynamic table example''"/>
> \end
> <> <>
> 
> <>
> ```
> Note: if you also omit the ``, 
> then the PowerSearch inputs and the Shiraz output table will appear *side 
> by side *(as long as there's enough room for the table)
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin: dynamic table gets search ui

[passingby]

Hello Eric,

I have both of your tiddlers copied. And as expected the PowerSearch works 
on its own perfectly. I have also installed the Shiraz plugin and working 
on its own as well. Then I created another tiddler containing the 
overriding definitions which you've given here( I had to change the macro 
call name to table-dynamic which I assume changed at a later date). I can 
see that PowerSearch is being called because the result table is shown but 
I don't have PowerSearch UI. What might I be doing wrong?

On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:23:00 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> I am EXPERIMENTING how to implement a searchable dynamic table in Shiraz!
>>
>> My top priorities are
>>
>>- *modular design (extensible)*
>>- *minimalist design*
>>   - *simple to use*
>>   - *simple to understand*
>>
>> Today we had a fruitful thread with Eric Shulman who created a simple 
>> powerful UI to search and destroy!
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/OeVzRs9FeYo/BNNRK5hEBgAJ
>> I used his design and approach with some minor changes and used it with 
>> *table-fd* the dynamic table builder from fields in Shiraz plugin.
>> I have pushed an *EXPERIMENTAL *update and setup a wiki on tiddlyspot to 
>> get feedback!
>> http://tw-tables.tiddlyspot.com/
>> Now we have searchable dynamic table builder!
>>
>
> I did a little experiment myself, to combine my latest version of 
> "PowerSearch" (renamed from SearchAndDestroy) with the dynamic table output 
> from Shiraz.
>
> Here's what I did:
> 1) From http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html, import these 
> tiddlers (drag-and-drop from the sidebar list)
> * TiddlyTools/FilterGenerators/PowerSearch
> * TiddlyTools/Macros/edit-list
> since these are just macro definitions, there's no plugins involved and 
> they can be used right away, without needing to save-and-reload.
>
> 2) Create a new tiddler containing:
> \import TiddlyTools/FilterGenerators/PowerSearch
>
> \define doSearch_showresults()
> <$macrocall $name=table-fd 
>  filter=<> tblClass="" 
>  fields="tbl-expand title fa fb fc caption tags" 
>  stateTiddler=n 
>  tblCaption="''Table 2. Dynamic table example''"/>
> \end
>
> \define getOptions() 
>
> <>
> <>
> <$vars
>   tids={{{ [get[text]]   ~[[tiddlers]]}}}
>pre={{{ [get[text]]}}}
>tag={{{ [get[text]]}}}
>  field={{{ [get[text]] ~[[title,text,tags]] }}}
>   flag={{{ [get[text]]  ~[[words]]   }}}
>   term={{{ [get[text]]   }}}
>   sort={{{ [get[text]]  ~[[title]]   }}}>
><>
> 
>
> What it does:
> 1) import all the macros from PowerSearch
> 2) override doSearch_showresults() to invoke the "table-fd" macro call
> (note: use filter=<> instead of filter=<>)
> 3) override getOptions() button to remove the button and popup
> (note: they only apply to the default PowerSearch "showresults()" 
> output)
> 4) get the inputs and do the search
>(same as the PowerSearch code)
>
> note that I don't apply your styles to the inputs, since the edit-list 
> display
> relies upon overlapping of edit-text and select controls, which wouldn't
> look right if you change the input control styles.
>
> The result: my latest search input interface, with the Shiraz table output!
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Display parent tiddler's name alongside the child

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Thank You! Yes, it works. I have been using TW5 off and on for quite a 
long, but whenever I come back after some time, I get lost and need help. 

Tiddlywiki is such a unique and wonderful software, but unfortunately, it 
is like this, at least with me, every time I come back after a gap, there 
is a learning curve to be climbed up again.
On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:34:23 AM UTC-7 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I think you want the tags[] filter operator. How about:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[Task]]">
> <$link to=<>/> (part of project <$link to={{{ 
> [all[current]tags[]tag[Project]] }}}/>)
> 
>
> This assumes your tasks are tagged Task and your projects are tagged 
> Project...you can replace the tag[Task] and tag[Project] bits in the 
> filters with whatever criteria you need to determine if something is a task 
> or a project.
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-5 passingby wrote:
>
>> If I have Project tiddlers as parents and Tasks as children tagged by the 
>> parent's name:
>> Project-1
>>   Task1
>>   Task2
>>   Task3
>> Project-2
>>  Task4
>>  Task5
>>
>> How do I create a list like this:
>>
>> Task1 - Project1
>> Task2 - Project1
>> .
>> Task4 - Project2
>>
>> In other words, when I iterate through the list of Tasks, I wish to 
>> display the Project's name alongside. Is it possible? The only link between 
>> the project and the task is that the task is tagged with the project's 
>> name. So the logic generating the list has to look backwards somehow.
>>
>

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[tw5] Display parent tiddler's name alongside the child

[passingby]

If I have Project tiddlers as parents and Tasks as children tagged by the 
parent's name:
Project-1
  Task1
  Task2
  Task3
Project-2
 Task4
 Task5

How do I create a list like this:

Task1 - Project1
Task2 - Project1
.
Task4 - Project2

In other words, when I iterate through the list of Tasks, I wish to display 
the Project's name alongside. Is it possible? The only link between the 
project and the task is that the task is tagged with the project's name. So 
the logic generating the list has to look backwards somehow.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Offering a course in General Relativity using tiddlywiki (5.1.23)

[passingby]

Downloading, I understand, I don't like it because it adds to the clutter. 
But if that is done, finding and loading it in a browser is difficult? 
Double-clicking is difficult? :-) cmon, now.

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 10:18:19 AM UTC-8 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> That is not an online html file. It is a file that requires download then 
> finding it and loading it in a browser. It all makes it complicated. That 
> was my point. Just put the thing online so one click and we can read it? 
>
> On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 15:09:18 UTC+1 rahulka...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It is available as an html file in the same repository. Here is the link 
>> -- 
>> https://github.com/rahulkashyap411/GR_IAR/blob/master/GeneralRelativity_Course_TW_5.1.23.html
>>  
>>
>> -Rahul
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 8:50 AM TiddlyTweeter  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It sounds interesting. But it is hard to comment if the wiki is not 
>>> publicly available online.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 09:28:27 UTC+1 rahulka...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Everyone,

 I am happy to than you guys for making an amazing tool. I wanted to 
 share a sample of teaching material I prepared with it. 
 https://github.com/rahulkashyap411/GR_IAR 
 Please let me know copyright related issues regarding putting it for 
 people's use. So far it is only for teaching and research.

 Other thoughts, suggestions and questions -
 I have been using TW for about 3 years and gradually became a fan of 
 its structure for personal research management. 
 Very soon I realized that I could use it for production quality as 
 well, at least for production of short notes and results to share with 
 colleagues which look nice. Inspired from this I explored and found 
 amazing 
 plugins made by amazing group of people for various purpose. I developed 
 some of my own system for browsing different types of file on my local 
 machine, especially managing references, codes and other files. The above 
 links contain some of those. 

 I also wanted to know people's thought on exports methods to Latex 
 format. We don't have to worry about converting it to latex if we could 
 get 
 couple of things -- 
 (1) auto-numbering equations, image-pretty, table, <>>> suppress numbering of certain sections, subsections. 
 (2) better page break in exporting pdf. We need more for professional 
 quality exports. What kind of solutions we have. 
 (3) Collaborative remote work with colleagues and students. 

 Mohammad's tool has already made work a lot simpler. I have provided 
 some tweaking to it. But, we need an integrated approach for academic 
 output and collaboration. 
 If we could make a TW about knowledge organization. that would be 
 great. 

 Cheers,
 -Rahul Kashyap

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[tw5] Re: New tiddlywiki, same setup

[passingby]

Well if you stick around this group, you will realize that this group is 
totally unlike other groups. You can ask a question, any question, any 
level, and nobody ever chides you or give you  'show your efforts first' or 
'we are not here for your homework' type of responses. People here are very 
helpful, honestly. And of course, Eric is a total master of his craft, I 
respect him a lot.

On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:49:45 PM UTC-7 Sara wrote:

> Wow!
>
> Thanks so much Eric!! I tried it and it works perfectly :)
>
> Thanks you so so much for taking the time to respond so fully! And giving 
> an explanation of how it works me keen to explore more of the functionality 
> and know-how in this great piece of code!
>
> It's so cool when people can share and give so freely. You've made my day 
> :)
>
> Sara
>
>
> On Saturday, 4 July 2020 12:46:43 UTC+10, Sara wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Firstly, many thanks for an extraordinary resource! I'm relatively new to 
>> TW and I'm sure I'm only using a fraction of it's ability but I love it!
>>
>> Something I want to do but cannot find anywhere, is to start a new 
>> tiddlywiki with the same setup as my old. I really like the theme, plugins 
>> and what I have set up works just right for me. If I want to start a new TW 
>> and keep all those setting (some of which are tags) how do I get rid of all 
>> the tiddlers in the old one?
>>
>> Hopefully that makes sense and that there's a straightforward solution 
>> that somebody can help me with...
>>
>> Many thanks (again!)
>>
>> Sara
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext lists in Shiraz Card Plugin

[passingby]

Hello Tony,

Thank you for your solution. Really appreciate your effort. 

-passingby

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 1:46:21 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby;
>
> This example works for this use case by splitting the input on new line.
>
> <$list filter="[splitregexp[\n]]" variable=item>
> <$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>
> 
>
> However it seems a little odd that your list contains the * which is 
> usually reserved until displaying the list.
>
> If the list was tiddler titles you would possible use the enlist operator.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:07:35 PM UTC+10, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am trying out bootstrap cards of Shiraz plugin. I wanted a list to be 
>> passed as 'text' parameter so I thought I need to pass it via a macro call 
>> like this:
>>
>> \define somelistmacro()
>> * item 1
>> * item 2
>> * item 3
>> \end
>>
>> <$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>
>>
>> But the wikitext list is not being rendered. What am I doing wrong?
>>
>

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[tw5] Wikitext lists in Shiraz Card Plugin

[passingby]

Hello all,

I am trying out bootstrap cards of Shiraz plugin. I wanted a list to be 
passed as 'text' parameter so I thought I need to pass it via a macro call 
like this:

\define somelistmacro()
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3
\end

<$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>

But the wikitext list is not being rendered. What am I doing wrong?

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[tw5] Re: Don't call attention to TWC

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Let's take the case of individual TWC documents that are out there, or even 
somebody going ahead and creating a new document in TWC.

1. TWC is Javascript. And Javascript is javascript, no worries of it 
expiring right now.

2. There is no database or any third party Softwares which might pose a 
problem.

3. If it's a personal offline document, TWC offers a great scope of doing 
WHATEVER one wants to do with it if one knows Javascript. Because of Eric's 
javascript plugin one could really go to the Town with hacking.


On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:54:01 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Disregarding the irony of the very title:
>
> In another thread someone requested more attention to TiddlyWiki 
> Classic/TWC/TW2, i.e the predecessor to TW5. To which I replied:
>
> I don't get why NEW attention should be brought to TWC which is, after 
>> all, a system we've advanced from. Sure, it works and it's great, but there 
>> has been no development for it in almost a decade. It seems mostly that 
>> people who use it do so because they didn't muster up the effort to make 
>> the transition. Yes, I know this is not 100% the case because TWC is more 
>> performant in some aspects but the same can probably be said of Windows 95 
>> or whatever. We've moved on, for good reasons, and we should not "trick" 
>> people into spending time on that old technology. There is recurring 
>> confusion for newcomers where they found some plugin or information that 
>> strangely "doesn't work".
>> Let TWC fade out to be a nostalgic memory that is still *beautiful *but 
>> that we shouldn't *dwell *on.
>
>
> And to which TiddlyTweeter replied:
>
> Could you please take this OUT of [that thread] so I can lambast your ass 
>> appropriately.
>
>
> AHA! Challenge accepted!
>
>
> 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Personal News

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Jeremy,

May God bless you with a speedy recovery.

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 1:59:36 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is 
> the UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last 
> week and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful 
> that this is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be 
> cautiously optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing 
> the really dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so 
> I'll likely be out of action for at least a few days. 
>
> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but 
> naturally frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back 
> soon, and in the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
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> https://jermolene.com

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[tw5] Just wanted to say this

[passingby]

After wasting about 2 days on something I thought to myself, 'if it had 
been TW, I would have asked on the group and received 3 solutions to one 
problem'.

Seriously, this group is the best and I am not just saying it 
superficially. The whole culture is different, its friendly and personable. 

Nobody says, first show us what you have worked on, did you read this, did 
you read that? Show us a dump of your logs, your OS, your browser, and your 
medical history and your police record and your home inspection report and 
what not. People here just help you out. Period.

Thank you all.

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[tw5] Re: Show Tiddler content in tabs

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Hello Mat,

Thank you for the solution! 

If it is possible to keep everything in one tiddler it would be great. I 
just wanted to avoid the extra tiddlers. But you solution is still great 
and usable straightaway. Thank you! 

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 2:39:08 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Presenting a half-baked:
>
> Tabber 
>
> It has a drawback that I hope can be solved: One - if not THE - point with 
> the concept is to avoid having to fiddle with multiple tiddlers. But the 
> current Tabber solution is a macro so to call the macro... you need another 
> tiddler. The solution would be to create a pragma, e.g "\tabber", that 
> makes the rest of the tiddler render using the macro.
>
> ...i.e how the heck is a pragma for this made? Help, anyone.
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Show Tiddler content in tabs

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On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:49:10 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> I just had an eye operation and have being told to keep looking towards 
> the floor for a week. Do there may be a delay unless I come up with a 
> method.
>

Oh! My best wishes for a speedy recovery! 

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[tw5] Re: Show Tiddler content in tabs

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Thanks Tony. I can use separate tiddlers if there is no tw specific way to 
do this. I am just trying to avoid creating too many tiddlers. My need was 
to put some text in one tab and some bulleted notes in the other tab for 
each topic I create a tiddler for.

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:08:05 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby
>
> The exact mechanisium is not available in tw5 but there are plenty of 
> other ways to achieve the same results. Using the excise tool to create tab 
> tiddlers is breaking up the tiddler but the tabs macro is designed to use 
> separate tiddlers.
>
> Using css and html sections could possibly do what you want. However an 
> alternate tabs mechanisium may be the way to go. 
>
> I will look into this while we see if others have a suggestion.
>
> I understand your desire for such a feature and confident it can be found 
> in tw5.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Show Tiddler content in tabs

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Hello all,
Is it possible to show a tiddler's content in separate tabs within the same 
tiddler like tiddler slices used to do in TWC?

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[tw5] Re: Internet and freedom of communicating with fellow human beings

[passingby]

> When we establish the ability for every tiddlywiki to open a communication 
> channel it will help.
>
>
>  
Tony,
Are there any ideas out there about how this can be done technologically 
wise? 

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[tw5] Re: Internet and freedom of communicating with fellow human beings

[passingby]

This is a bit of rant here.

>From a layman's point of view, I feel the talk and ideas of software and 
concept of sharing and openness has changed a lot. It seems internet is no 
more the internet which it was envisioned to be.

A long time ago, I used to think if something was open source, it was 
trustworthy, free in terms of money, and free in terms of freedom, that 
nobody controlled it. I used to think that a software which was open source 
was something which stood in defiance against companies whose main motive 
was money and dominance. In this spirit I was a fan of firefox for a long 
time. Then Google Chrome came along and I became its fan. Later on I heard 
there are new smarter phones with touch screen and they are based on 
Android which is open source. I readily adopted it, and my next phone after 
a Nokia symbian phone was Samsung s4. 

Well fast forward to current times, I now realize that open source or not, 
the products are tightly controlled by companies. Companies control what 
update is rolled out, when it is rolled, and even in which region it is 
rolled out. I had no idea that Google could choose whether or not to allow 
a company to use its version of Android. I had no idea that even if a 
software was open source, it was still a controllable creature. Fifteen 
years ago when ever I came across the word ecosystem I thought it was just 
another word used by experts to sound like experts. 

I have to agree that there may be times where blocking of communication may 
be warranted. But I have seen its instances of misuse. I know a few 
instances of this happening in India in past couple of years. There was a 
police crackdown in Haryana state not long ago and the government totally 
cut off social media apps for several days, because they wanted to shut 
down live or almost live news sharing. And nobody spoke out. Nothing 
happened. They did their thing and life went on. Later I got to know that 
it was happening elsewhere too.

If a machine runs on electricity, no matter how smart that machine may be, 
all that needs to be done to defeat that machine is to cut off electricity. 
Governments control ISPs. A simple court order, brought about by the power 
that be, can make them fall in line.

Understandably, if internet connection is shut down, and that too with 
legal tools, there is nothing common person can do. But there should be 
tools to communicate and share when there is at least some internet going 
on. That is something which deserves support.

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[tw5] Internet and freedom of communicating with fellow human beings

[passingby]

While trying to stay non-political, I think there is a need to discuss 
these issues where governments stop certain services in certain parts of 
the world. What if a part of the world is completely cut off? What if 
tomorrow, Google groups is stopped from being accessed from a country? In 
that situation how should fellow human beings communicate/share-resources 
on internet? 
Are we at mercy of governments ( well, yes, we are, but..)?

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

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Hello again Mark,
I just used it and its working perfectly! Thanks again. I even removed the 
data-tag attribute and made it general, because in this particular 
tiddlywiki all my lists would be like this. In some special case, I can 
perhaps enclose it is a span with a class and do it different.
I should have asked this earlier.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:38:44 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This CSS matches up with your sample text, if I understand it correctly. 
> It goes to 3 levels. You can work out other levels if necessary.
>
> 
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li {list-style-type:  
> lower-roman }
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li > ul > li 
> {list-style-type:  upper-alpha }
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:48:42 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I am making some notes from some legal text. I am taking notes in easy 
>> and concise everyday english. I try to follow the numbering, but I am not 
>> too strict about. Usually the pattern is restricted to 2 level, with 
>> numbers outside and small case alphabets inside. But sometimes there are 
>> deeper levels as is shown in a screenshot I have attached with this post.
>>
>> I have attached a screenshot. Please have a look. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:28:24 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> You can assign different styles for different levels, though I'm not 
>>> sure you get as many choices as with just the tags.
>>>
>>> If you explain what you want in more detail, there are some people here 
>>> who are really good with CSS.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You could make a stylesheet tiddler like
>>>>>
>>>>> div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
>>>>>
>>>>> This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you 
>>>>> might use some other tag. You would want to use some
>>>>> sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
>>>>> lower-alpha. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki 
>>>>>> text. In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

[passingby]

Thanks Mark! I am going to try this on my next note-taking tiddler.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:38:44 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This CSS matches up with your sample text, if I understand it correctly. 
> It goes to 3 levels. You can work out other levels if necessary.
>
> 
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li {list-style-type:  
> lower-roman }
> div[data-tags~=Lists] > div >  ul > li > ul > li > ul > li 
> {list-style-type:  upper-alpha }
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:48:42 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I am making some notes from some legal text. I am taking notes in easy 
>> and concise everyday english. I try to follow the numbering, but I am not 
>> too strict about. Usually the pattern is restricted to 2 level, with 
>> numbers outside and small case alphabets inside. But sometimes there are 
>> deeper levels as is shown in a screenshot I have attached with this post.
>>
>> I have attached a screenshot. Please have a look. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:28:24 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> You can assign different styles for different levels, though I'm not 
>>> sure you get as many choices as with just the tags.
>>>
>>> If you explain what you want in more detail, there are some people here 
>>> who are really good with CSS.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You could make a stylesheet tiddler like
>>>>>
>>>>> div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
>>>>>
>>>>> This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you 
>>>>> might use some other tag. You would want to use some
>>>>> sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
>>>>> lower-alpha. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki 
>>>>>> text. In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: HTML to wiki text

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On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:55:59 PM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/#HTML%20Convert
>
>
> Birthe
>

Thank you for this. Converting the text with this and then using Notepad++ 
to remove \r and \n brought me quite closer to the goal. 

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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

[passingby]

Ah. Okay I got. You are sending the search through url.  Thanks.

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 6:15:55 PM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> I meant, I could not figure out which cell to input the search term in, 
>> and then press which button ?
>>
>
>
> No problem : )  My instructions were brief.
>
> I just noticed the worksheet reverted to white background which ruined the 
> "text entry" cells borders-- did you get a white background sheet? (sorry, 
> I can't use white-- if it wasn't for my invered color theme, I wouldn't  be 
> using a computer any longer)
>
> Onve I get the sheet back to its intended color scheme:
> The white bordered boxes underneath the text "ENTER SEARCH TERM..."are 
> plain old cells where you enter data in the usual GSheets way- click the 
> box and type (or hit enter and type) then hit enter to get out of that 
> field and set it.  
>
> No buttons to push-- 2 cells to the right of the "text entry" cell you 
> will see an URL-- move your mouse cursor over it and a pop-up with a link 
> will appear-- just click on it.
>
>  I could probably make the text entry cells actual edit fields-- I know 
> GSheets support drop down menu's in cells
>
> This uses the same concepts as TW and macros-- constructing from pieces 
> and being able to interject pieces in through typed or pasted cells-- I 
> build mass import tiddlers, html pages and svg's using these concepts.
>

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[tw5] Re: HTML to wiki text

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On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> That would be interesting.
>
> You do know that you can use html as-is in tiddlers, right?
>
> <:-)
>

I do. Just was curious. 

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[tw5] Re: List type attribute in wiki text

[passingby]

Thanks Mark. But my lists are varied and some are multi level. 

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You could make a stylesheet tiddler like
>
> div[data-tags~=Lists] ul li {list-style-type:  lower-alpha }
>
> This assumes you have your tiddler tagged "Lists", but of course you might 
> use some other tag. You would want to use some
> sort of tag because otherwise *everything* that is in a list will use 
> lower-alpha. 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. 
>> In my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.
>>
>

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[tw5] HTML to wiki text

[passingby]

Does anybody know of any convertor, online or a plugin which converts HTML 
to wikitext? I found some but they were not for tiddlywiki wikitext.

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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

[passingby]

I meant, I could not figure out which cell to input the search term in, and 
then press which button ?

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 12:04:36 AM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> I could not understand how to make it work.
>>
>
> no problem : ) make it work as in how to use the wotking copy?  or 
> duplicating it on another sheet?
>
>
> I can explain it further-- possibly annotate the cells better
>
> I added a create new tiddler section, using the behavior of TW that if you 
> send it a nonexisting tiddler permalink, it will create a missing tiddler 
> placeholder
>
> BTW: anyone should be able to "save a copy" (in file menu) to their 
> GDrives so they can have their own copy (i believe it will work) 
>

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

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On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 11:41:58 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>
> His tool is excellent! I don't see why it is a "much much better 
> altnerative" though. I like different features of both of your work. I like 
> that your tool doesn't create a bunch of tiddlers (even if that means I 
> don't get nesting and other cool features). Your archiving is useful. I 
> also prefer your UI in my sidebar.
>
> Thank you for your work. It adds to the ecosystem.
>

I support that. I always like the plugins and macros to have the *least 
footprint*. 
I also liked that Mohammed's plugin came together with a bunch of macro 
based icons which can be extended to suit one's own work needs.

All the creative people are somewhat self critical of their work quality. I 
say to you (Mohammed), do not abandon your plugin. Many people like it. Its 
a good thing to have many options.

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[tw5] List type attribute in wiki text

[passingby]

Is there a way to define the 'type' attribute of the list in wiki text. In 
my notes these days, I frequently type="a" lists.

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin RC 4: Create todo item with different categories

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>
> Goto 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FKeyboardShortcuts
> and make sure you have set a shortcutkey for *add-todo-item*
>

Thanks, its working now. I was missing the shortcut setting. 

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin RC 4: Create todo item with different categories

[passingby]

Also, I installed the newer version but I could not make "press enter to 
add" work. 

-passingby

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:20:49 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement: Todolist Plugin*
>
> *Date: July 14, 2019*
> *Release: 1.0 release candidate 4*
>
> Todolist now supports keyboard shortcuts for adding new item!
> You can configure this with the key you like
> Several bug fixes
> Added automatic todolist using conditional view template
>
>
>- Star it at GitHub
>- Send feedback
>
>
>
> 1.0.0 – release candidate 4
>
> 17th July 2019
>
>- Customizable shortcutkey for adding new item! by default Enter is 
>added
>- All states were condensed into stateTiddler. For each state a 
>key/value is used
>
>
> I highly appreciate to receive your feedback, comments and idea
>
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad 
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin RC 4: Create todo item with different categories

[passingby]

Hello Mohammed,

I just realized that whenever I delete the plugin (to install the newer 
version), it leaves behind several tiddlers it created (which I have to 
search and delete manually). Is there a way to have a clean uninstall 
feature? Albeit leaving behind the user data of course?

-passingby

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:20:49 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement: Todolist Plugin*
>
> *Date: July 14, 2019*
> *Release: 1.0 release candidate 4*
>
> Todolist now supports keyboard shortcuts for adding new item!
> You can configure this with the key you like
> Several bug fixes
> Added automatic todolist using conditional view template
>
>
>- Star it at GitHub
>- Send feedback
>
>
>
> 1.0.0 – release candidate 4
>
> 17th July 2019
>
>- Customizable shortcutkey for adding new item! by default Enter is 
>added
>- All states were condensed into stateTiddler. For each state a 
>key/value is used
>
>
> I highly appreciate to receive your feedback, comments and idea
>
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad 
>

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[tw5] Re: Search your wiki from Google Sheets

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I could not understand how to make it work.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 6:46:30 PM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> here's a working google sheet with seatches (including a deluxe search : D 
> ) of TW.com
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZIZ4uNMCc69bdBEA2f-p0c425boiAikxuxduGZpmifE/edit#gid=961126140
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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

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Tony,
Wow, that's creative. I like the idea.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I have an application of this list you may be able to advise me on, or 
> perhaps it will need a minor enhancement to support it.
>
> I would like to introduce the todo list via the view template to all 
> People and Office tiddlers in a solution I am building however I do not 
> want any change on the current tiddler.
>
> I seems to be as simple as 
> <>
>
> This seems to work, but I think you can evaluate the result better than me.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 6:21:33 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> One small thing could simplify the UI even a tad more: The "check 
>>> all"and "uncheck all" buttons could be merged into one (by means of the a 
>>> revealwidget).
>>>
>>>
>> Done! Check the new update.
>>  
>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

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Hi Mohammed,

Noted all the points. 

I have put the TodoLIst in my main Sidebar(right side). Expanded the width 
of the SideBar to 400 px. I have gotten rid of the LeftBar. Put everything 
in the Right SideBar. I was getting irritated with 2 bar on the page. Also 
I got rid of the Site Title, Sub title, Page Controls as well as the Search 
Bar. They were hogging up space for no good use of mine. I put all of them 
in a Sidebar tab. Made everything look minimalistic. And the SideBar 
shifted up the page too. My TOC is  on the Sidebar Tab. Looks good now. 
Will report if any more issues crop up.

Thanks
PassingBy

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 9:47:02 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Passinby
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the left 
>> sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be wider and 
>> its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to set the 
>> width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be visible. Can 
>> the layout be made more fluid?
>>
>
> Todolist needs 400px width to work properly! By the way you can  open the 
> main.css and change the min-width!
>  
>
>>
>> Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is added, 
>> instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing needless 
>> thing can be shaved off from the ui.
>>
>
> Users with touch screen needs the add button! For adding shortcut 
> keyboards I will ask BTC to see if it is possible to implement. I 
> personally support this feature!
>
>>
>> Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?
>>
>
> This is difficult! The todo items are index/value pairs and the draggable 
> widget seems not work for them, but I welcome any suggestion by you or 
> other user have any solution for this!
>  
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Passingby
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: SIdeBar Segments in a reveal widget?

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Ok, I am not sure if this was the proper way to do this but it worked as 
intended. 

I first made a SideBar Tab tiddler [[Front]] with this as content:

{{$:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/site-title}}
{{$:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/site-subtitle}}
{{$:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/page-controls}}
{{$:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/search}}

So now upon saving I have these segments in a sidebar tab

2. Now I took every of these tiddlers above mentioned, and cloned them, so 
they are now overriding the originals, and then deleted their 
'$:/tags/SideBarSegment' tag. Now after saving. The segments on the top 
right are gone and the tabs have shifted up. 

It looks good.


On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 6:51:40 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> Can it be done, that Site Title, Subtitle, Page Controls, and SearchBar , 
> all put in a single segment  which has a hide/reveal slider for these 
> elements? Basically, only show the SideBar Tabs by default? This way I ll 
> have my SIdebar Menu upto the top right of the screen and would not need a 
> LeftBar (which I installed).
>
> I do not need to see my SiteTitle and Sub title all the time and Search 
> bar is needed only occasionally, but yes I need my TOC most of the time, 
> which would be in a sidebar tab. 
>

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[tw5] SIdeBar Segments in a reveal widget?

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Can it be done, that Site Title, Subtitle, Page Controls, and SearchBar , 
all put in a single segment  which has a hide/reveal slider for these 
elements? Basically, only show the SideBar Tabs by default? This way I ll 
have my SIdebar Menu right up the screen and would not need a LeftBar 
(which I installed).

I do not need to see my SiteTitle and Sub title all the time (because a TW 
is most of the time for the person himself, not for the other time). And 
Search is needed only occasionally, but yes I need my TOC most of the time, 
which would be in a sidebar tab. 

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

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I just installed the plugin into m left side floating menu bar (from 
Twaddle). and the todolist extends behind the story river on the right. I 
have to set the width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to 
be visible. Can the layout be made more fluid?
Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is added, 
instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing needless 
thing can be shaved off from the ui.

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

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I like the improvements. Its better not to have a table. And it looks great 
in the sidebar. 👍

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin: Create one line todo item with different categories

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Another great option to have. I like it.

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 12:09:46 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement: Todolist Plugin*
>
> *Date: July 14, 2019*
> *Release: 0.5 beta*
>
> This is a small todolist plugin! This is developed in pure TW and very 
> simple mechanism!
> It depicts the power of Tiddlywiki in creating simple one line todos!
> It support categories!
>
> Important! This plugin is extendable! TW users with primary knowledge of 
> macro can add new categories and customize it.
>
> [image: todolist.png]
> I highly appreciate to receive your feedback, comments and idea
>
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: LinkStyle - give your links styyyyyle!

[passingby]

Cool! Thanks!

Its not happening fully correctly in my own tiddlywiki because of a 
stylesheet clash. I am using 2 tiddlers of styling from NoteSlam. They are 
overriding the link colors and the spacing of before and after content. The 
color and content of the before and after are being implemented alright. 
But I ll look more into it later.

BUT, its a great job. Thanks Mat!

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 2:11:01 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> passingby wrote:
>
>> The color is over ridden in the sidebar, can that be fixed too?
>>
>
>
> Update <http://linkstyle.tiddlyspot.com/>
>  
>
> And thanks David for adding.
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: LinkStyle - give your links styyyyyle!

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On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
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> Updated 
>
> I just converted it into a Stylesheet
>
> <:-)
>

Great! 
The color is over ridden in the sidebar, can that be fixed too?

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: LinkStyle - give your links styyyyyle!

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Looks good.
When I try to display a link to [[About]] in a separate tiddler, it display 
it as colored *only* when [[About]] tiddler is open in story river. On 
closing it the link to it goes back to normal.

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[tw5] Colored titles based on a tag?

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Is it possible to make a title (in a TOC list or perhaps everywhere) appear 
red (or any color) based on a tag? For example if a tiddler is tagged 
'incomplete', its title appears as red in a list?

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[tw5] Re: Click to expand all button?

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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
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> Hello Passingby,
>
> Have a look at TW-Scripts
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Open%20All%20Tiddlers%20Meet%20Some%20Criteria
>
> You find small code to open all tiddlers meed some criteria!
> As Jeremy recommends it is not good for a large wiki TOC, but
> this can be used for your own case.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#
> Always consult TW-Scripts it may have some clues
>

Hello Mohammed,
I have already bookmarked your TW-Scripts! I find it very informative and 
insightful.

In the present case I was actually looking for something like this 
https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/sc-2001-c-27/latest/sc-2001-c-27.html?autocompleteStr=immi&autocompletePos=1
On this link you ll see a table of contents button which when  pressed 
presents a tree with branches which can be expanded and collapsed. 
Additionally on the top there is a 'expand all' link which toggles the 
whole table of content.

I think its beyond my TW programming skill to hack out something like this. 
Also the need is not that pressing. So I am going ahead without it. 

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[tw5] Click to expand all button?

[passingby]

Can we have a 'click to expand all' button? Specifically 
in toc-tabbed-internal-nav ? 

Additionally: can this behavior of expanding and contracting be implemented 
with mouse hover on the links? Right now we have to click the arrow on 
left, and it stays open till it is clicked again. 

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[tw5] Re: Font Awesome 5 Free SVG collection

[passingby]

Got it, thanks!

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-7, morosanuae morosanuae wrote:
>
> Yes, with the help of CSS. First you need to create a CSS class and then 
> apply it to the element that contains the SVG image. You can give any name 
> to your CSS class. See an example below:
>
> CSS:
> .mc-svg-red svg {
> fill: red;
> }
>
> Code:
> 
> {{$:/_moro/imagini/svg/fa5/brands/500px}}
> 
>
> P.S. If you don't know how to use CSS with TiddlyWiki see official docs: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20Stylesheets
>
>
> On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 5:04:34 PM UTC+3, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Hey, thanks! 
>> can we change the color?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Font Awesome 5 Free SVG collection

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Hey, thanks! 
can we change the color?

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-7, morosanuae morosanuae wrote:
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> Hello TiddlyWiki lovers!
>
> I want to invite you all to my online Font Awesome 5 Free SVG collection, 
> published on TiddlySpot: http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com
> Just drag'n'drop an image into your wiki. Simple as that. No complicated 
> CSS stuff to configure. Use them just like default TiddlyWiki images.
> Current FA5 version 5.9.0 (latest)
>
> If you find some problems or have a question please let me know! Thanks!
>
> morosanuae.
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[tw5] Re: Creating and Selling Software Tools based on Tiddlywiki

[passingby]

Out of the many plus points of tiddlywiki, I want to point out these:

1. Subscription based software: Everything today has become greedier than 
before. Every software out there is subscription based now. If I have to 
use MS Office I pay around a CAD 100 and this when I am not even using it 
for business.
2. Data with corporations: One not only buys the service but hands over the 
data

Now there is a Tiddlywiki developer. You pay him, he hacks out a solution 
for you. One time fee. You keep the app. If you wish you can hack it 
yourself but if you want a professional job you pay a one time fee to a 
developer.  

There should be a market for this in small business sector. Especially in 
context of monthly subscriptions which a small business takes on.


On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 4:36:43 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>1. Do you think Tiddlywiki is enough mature to create applications 
>(Apps) based on it for commercial use cases?
>2. Do you think it is possible to sell such applications  for 
>commercial use cases (not for academic or individuals)?
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Creating and Selling Software Tools based on Tiddlywiki

[passingby]

Something like data entry for small business, which can be export data to 
quickbooks might be an option. This might prove attractive to the small 
business owner/operator by saving monthly costs for bookkeeping. They can 
periodically export for emailing the file to their accountant.

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[tw5] Re: Creating and Selling Software Tools based on Tiddlywiki

[passingby]

Hello Mohammed,

Disclaimer: I am not a programmer, and have no experience from real world 
pov. 
Maybe we need some advanced tools like:

1. An advanced plugin which will turn TW into a RAD environment for CRUD 
applications. Easily customization of forms for entering, editing data. 
Displaying data in tables, graphs, pie charts etc.
2. Easy integration of CSS and javascript libraries
3. Advanced SQL like capabilities for complex data situation in multi level 
parent child relationships.
4. easy Spreadsheet functions in tables.
5. Pagination
2. Better integration or connecting with other platforms out there such as 
social media.

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Re: [tw5] Some more information on running Node.js server

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On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 9:37:29 PM UTC-7, Scott Kingery wrote:
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> I have a few notes here: 
> https://techlifeweb.com/tw5tribalknowledge.html#node.js
>
>>
>>
Thank you. I ll read up. 

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[tw5] Some more information on running Node.js server

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I installed node.js server following the information on 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted 

I tried using a wiki and it works. Now I want to learn a bit more. Where 
can I read more on node.js server commands and functions?

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[tw5] Re: Best way to manage wiki across platforms

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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 10:29:20 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>
> About that app... It is not an app made in TW, so how does one know it can 
> be trusted? So my data doesn't e.g get copied by someone or passwords 
> stored...
>
> <:-)
>

Mat, your point got me thinking, and I gave a cursory look at Termux, the 
one which TonyM mentioned. I ll have a deeper look at this in coming days 
and if I feel I can make it work with my somewhat limited knowledge, I 
shall start using it. And of course the credit would go to you. :-) 

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[tw5] Re: Best way to manage wiki across platforms

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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 10:29:20 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>
> About that app... It is not an app made in TW, so how does one know it can 
> be trusted? So my data doesn't e.g get copied by someone or passwords 
> stored...
>
> <:-)
>

No, it can't be trusted. As for me personally, I have far more important 
and life affecting data like passwords and stuff outside of my tiddlywiki 
in hands of corporation who are strong and powerful in material world.

I don't think we can trust our own operating systems or Google or Apple or 
the banks or even the US government, who can order these companies to fall 
in line with their policies.

If there is important data, one should read up on everything relevant and 
make one's choice. I don't know much.


 

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[tw5] Re: Best way to manage wiki across platforms

[passingby]

I currently keep my TWs in a google drive folder and I open them using 
Tiddlydrive app. It works on my windows laptop as well as my android phone. 
I think it must work everywhere. You ll have to install tiddlydrive app to 
your google drive account. Open a TW by right clicking and choosing 
tiddlydrive as the opening app. Once set it open straight away on double 
click. On android I have to go to context menu and choose 'open with' and 
then 'tiddlydrive'.

Hope this helps.
-passingby 

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7, Ovy Ortega wrote:
>
> I just found tiddlywiki late last night. I could not sleep I was so 
> excited. I am hoping it takes the place of evernote, writer, and zoho 
> notes. But here is my dilemna 
>
> Day to day I switch from a chromebook, an ipad, and an iphone- how can I 
> sync and keep it all flowing in unison? I downloaded Quine but it does not 
> seem to agree (to me) with tiddlydrive. 
>
> Best, 
>
> Ovy
>

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[tw5] Re: create a button that mimics the behaviour of "Create a new tiddler tagged with this one"

[passingby]

TonyM,

I just copied that code line from OP's question and added the call to 
getTag macro..

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 4:16:58 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passing by
>
> I am curious if you have a particular reason to use
>
> text='<$transclude tiddler="$:/category">'
>
> Rather than
>
> text={{$:/category}}
>
> regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow v3.0 beta 2: Major improvement

[passingby]

Wow! Impressive indeed. Congratulations Mohammad!

Really this actually seems like a potent alternative to power point. If 
ever I need a slideshow, I am going to use this.

Thank you!

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:22:35 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Tony!
> I have prepared a roadmap for Tiddlyshow and hopefully it could be a 
> Powerpoint alternative!
> The interactive pages and smart using of CSS3/4+HTML5 would give TW+TS a 
> unique power!
> I would be happy to hear from you and hope to chance to see your 
> development for interactive slides!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 4:45:34 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> I will have a go with Tiddlywiki+Tiddlyshow and interactive pages. 
>> Tiddlywiki users with content in tiddlywiki and those who can put content 
>> into tiddlywiki would possibly find Tiddlyshow better than any other 
>> slideshow alternates. Of course solution developers like me would find 
>> interactive slides compelling and nothing else would be as good as in wiki 
>> slideshows.
>>
>> To me for tiddlywiki to thrive, the ease at which content can be imported 
>> into tiddlywiki and presented from there is an ongoing project. Of course 
>> once in tiddlywiki drawing alternate views, data analysis, making 
>> interactive and publishing in many different ways is tiddlywikis strengths.
>>
>> If we can keep such solutions as tiddlyshow open, to present anything 
>> tiddlywiki can throw at it, I expect Tiddlywiki+Tiddlyshow could be a 
>> PowerPoint killer.
>>
>> Nice work thanks
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: create a button that mimics the behaviour of "Create a new tiddler tagged with this one"

[passingby]

I ran into this problem a while ago and someone from here in the group 
suggested this: 

\define getTag()
[[$(currentTiddler)$]]
\end

and now call this macro in the button:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" text='<$transclude 
tiddler="$:/category">' tags=<> />



On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 2:54:29 PM UTC-7, Ankit Mittal wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I am trying to create a button that mimics the behaviour of "Create a new 
> tiddler tagged with this one". 
>
> I used this 
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" text='<$transclude 
> tiddler="$:/category">' tags={{!!title}} />
>
> which works fine so long as title does not have white space but if it has 
> white space it takes each word as a separate tag instead of making whole 
> title the tag. 
>
> Please can someone help me achieve this?
>

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[tw5] Re: Plausible deniability

[passingby]

Tony,

This is very neat :-) Thank you! Yes this would work. I want to understand 
how this is working but that can come later, maybe on a weekend. I shall 
also want to modify it a bit to suit my taste, but its very good right as 
it is.

In my use case, all i want is to hide information from a casual onlooker, 
family member or a friend, who happens to be nearby when I have my file 
open. And this suits it well.

Thank you.

-Passingby

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 9:43:44 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby,
>
> I have build a quick solution to this in the attached json file of tiddlers
>
>
>- You must have a check box set and a user name set and the notes will 
>be private to each user name.
>- Notes are stored in a long and complex title which includes the 
>created date and time, qualified by user name and a seed which never 
> changes
>- At any moment clicking the checkbox will hide the whole private 
>notes system, and notes will be retained.
>
> Improvements possible
>
>- Allow editing of the notes inline in the tiddler
>- Use a different user name config tiddler that does not update 
>createdby or Modifiedby or a password that no one can find (easily)
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 11:35:32 AM UTC+10, passingby wrote:
>>
>> There are sometimes thoughts/opinions/reflections which are recurring, 
>> and I wish to write them down so I can capture them, come back to them, or 
>> just create a record of personal self. Right now these are scattered in 
>> some files. But this has hampered my creativity and productivity. I now 
>> want to get everything on one file, a sort of diary, which has everything 
>> on it, organised under headings or topics. So what I am planning is sidebar 
>> menu which has table of contents tree, which would have various 'topics' 
>> such as health, money, relationships, occasions, events, imp dates, food, 
>> goals, tasks, etc. Most of the entries under these topics would be of 
>> mundane nature but some maybe more private which I do not wish to share.
>> What I want is that the sensitive tiddlers remain present in the lists in 
>> the sidebar where everything else is, but when clicked to view, they should 
>> not readily reveal their contents. I do not need encryption per say, just 
>> hiding of contents. But if a tiddler comes to view and says 'this tiddler 
>> is encrypted', then its a clear give away that I have some secret. That I 
>> do not want. What I want is plausible deniability, the ability to say, 'oh 
>> this tiddler? its empty.' or 'Oh yes, I haven't added anything to this one 
>> yet.'
>>
>> What would be a good way to achieve this?
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:50:18 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way (probably using the reveal widget?) to replace the 
>>> contents of a tiddler with some standard text based upon a state tiddler? 
>>> Perhaps something like this: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/07WVZmjsopE/zWa7_aKZBAAJ ?
>>>
>>> What I was is to hide the actual content of a tiddler and replace it 
>>> with some standard text "Enter your text here..". The hidden mode should 
>>> work both in view and edit mode. 
>>>
>>> I understand that I can just hide the actual tiddler itself too, but I 
>>> do not want to do that. For example in my side bar menu of 'thoughts & 
>>> ideas' I need to add some ideas which I do not want anyone to read. But 
>>> they need to be under that menu item because I do not want to keep idea 
>>> tiddlers in two places.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Plausible deniability

[passingby]

There are sometimes thoughts/opinions/reflections which are recurring, and 
I wish to write them down so I can capture them, come back to them, or just 
create a record of personal self. Right now these are scattered in some 
files. But this has hampered my creativity and productivity. I now want to 
get everything on one file, a sort of diary, which has everything on it, 
organised under headings or topics. So what I am planning is sidebar menu 
which has table of contents tree, which would have various 'topics' such as 
health, money, relationships, occasions, events, imp dates, food, goals, 
tasks, etc. Most of the entries under these topics would be of mundane 
nature but some maybe more private which I do not wish to share.
What I want is that the sensitive tiddlers remain present in the lists in 
the sidebar where everything else is, but when clicked to view, they should 
not readily reveal their contents. I do not need encryption per say, just 
hiding of contents. But if a tiddler comes to view and says 'this tiddler 
is encrypted', then its a clear give away that I have some secret. That I 
do not want. What I want is plausible deniability, the ability to say, 'oh 
this tiddler? its empty.' or 'Oh yes, I haven't added anything to this one 
yet.'

What would be a good way to achieve this?

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:50:18 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> Is there a way (probably using the reveal widget?) to replace the contents 
> of a tiddler with some standard text based upon a state tiddler? 
> Perhaps something like this: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/07WVZmjsopE/zWa7_aKZBAAJ ?
>
> What I was is to hide the actual content of a tiddler and replace it with 
> some standard text "Enter your text here..". The hidden mode should work 
> both in view and edit mode. 
>
> I understand that I can just hide the actual tiddler itself too, but I do 
> not want to do that. For example in my side bar menu of 'thoughts & ideas' 
> I need to add some ideas which I do not want anyone to read. But they need 
> to be under that menu item because I do not want to keep idea tiddlers in 
> two places.
>

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[tw5] Plausible deniability

[passingby]

Is there a way (probably using the reveal widget?) to replace the contents 
of a tiddler with some standard text based upon a state tiddler? 
Perhaps something like this: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/07WVZmjsopE/zWa7_aKZBAAJ ?

What I was is to hide the actual content of a tiddler and replace it with 
some standard text "Enter your text here..". The hidden mode should work 
both in view and edit mode. 

I understand that I can just hide the actual tiddler itself too, but I do 
not want to do that. For example in my side bar menu of 'thoughts & ideas' 
I need to add some ideas which I do not want anyone to read. But they need 
to be under that menu item because I do not want to keep idea tiddlers in 
two places.

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[tw5] Saving in chrome

[passingby]

I am using Tiddlydrive with google drive. Love it.

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[tw5] Re: How does one use Bricks?

[passingby]

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for responding. I do appreciate your taking time out for this. I 
am a bit busy myself, so in coming few days I shall take another go at 
bricks. Right now I have started using the dark theme from TW pre-release 
edition and I like it. But it shall be helpful to learn the bricks method 
so that I can learn better. I shall ask further wherever I get stuck.

Thank you.
 passingby

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 2:08:36 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hello again, passingby,
>
> Sorry for my late reply, but I am drowning in work and need some time for 
> family and friends too ... so I will keep it short this time: 
>
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html was left in a messy state some time 
> ago. Sorry again. Now I brought the most important documentation tiddlers 
> to the front again, so I hope it will make a much more friendly entry point 
> again. I have tried to explain, what is offered, so I hope reading 
> carefully and following the links will bring you closer to your goals.
>
> Note: there might be differences between the docs and the actual state of 
> Bricks, so if you have questions or encounter errors, please ask, protest, 
> let me know!
>
> The dark forces palette is there and can be activated with one click: 
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Fpalettes
>
> I hope you will be able to customize everything you want by searching for 
> the corresponding stylesheet in the Style Manager. Stylesheets from plugins 
> should also appear in the list of the manager. 
>
> When you are done, it might be sufficient to generate final stylesheets as 
> described in 
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html#Wikilogic%20Tiddler%20Transformation 
> instead of creating a theme right away.
>
> Please ask again, if you need help or encounter problems. 
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDrive Rebooted!

[passingby]

He Joshua,

Thank you for the app!


On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-7, Joshua Stubbs wrote:
>
> TiddlyDrive is back up and running. If there's a certificate failure this 
> time, then the problem is with GitHub.
>
> The new domain is https://tiddlydrive.github.io
>
> Please see my official post for further updates:
>
> https://twitter.com/Lord_Ratte/status/1134469005085949957
>

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[tw5] When do we get the new release?

[passingby]

When is the next release coming? Just curious. I have already started 
trying out the pre-release, loving the math abilities it has.

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App

[passingby]

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> The NOT GOOD SIDE of Tiddlywiki forum is that, while there is a lot of 
> really kind and helpful people in the community, there is NO real and 
> long-term collaboration between them so most of us work alone on our codes!
> If there was! we had much better plugins, codes, ... here
>
>
I feel you are right. I maybe wrong in my perception as I am not a 
programmer but I think unlike other open source projects growth of TW has 
been slow. Given the years TW has been around, it should have developed 
into a large cohesive eco-system or platform.  I don't think there has been 
a dearth of talent here. 

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[tw5] Re: How does one use Bricks?

[passingby]

Hello Thomas,

Glad you could reply. Mainly what I need is to understand what is being 
offered. What amount of customization can I do with bricks and how to do 
it.  

For example I am thinking of cobbling up a dark theme, much like your 
Palette Dark Forces. I am going to make some study notes in my TW. I am 
also thinking of incorporating things from Shiraz plugin (by Mohammed). So 
if you could help me on this, that ll be great! 


On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 11:08:18 AM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi passingby, 
>
> I am afraid, the only person knowing how to use bricks could be me ;–) 
>
> I will see if I can find time to make a screencast or something during the 
> days to come. Or what kind of documentation would be helpful for you? 
>
> Please bear with me if it takes more time than expected and feel free to 
> ask questions here if you have any. 
>
> Glad you find it interesting! 
>
> Cheers, 
> Thomas 

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[tw5] How does one use Bricks?

[passingby]

Can someone give a simple walk-through for using Bricks for creating 
different themes? https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html 

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[tw5] A dynamic dropdown select list for a tiddler field

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Is there a way to have a dropdown as a value chooser for a field in edit 
mode ? I need a dynamic list generated containing tiddler names, using 
<$select> widget.  

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[tw5] Re: Adding tags containing spaces when creating a child tiddler

[passingby]

That worked. Thanks Mark!

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 6:03:35 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Maybe someone will have a more elegant solution, but this appears to work:
>
> \define wraptitle() [[$(currentTiddler)$]]
> <$button>
> Add child tiddler
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"  tags=<> />
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 4:59:49 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to create a child tiddler of a journal by attaching the name 
>> of the journal tiddler as a tag along with other tags. But it does not seem 
>> to work out.
>>
>>  I have tried this:
>> <$button>
>> Add child tiddler
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"  tags=<> />
>> 
>>
>> But this add three separate tags like 81th, 2019, May
>>
>> then I tried this:
>>
>> <$button>
>> Add child tiddler
>> <$wikify name="tidtags" text="[[<>]] anothertag">
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<> />
>> 
>> 
>>
>> This results in two tags <> (literal) and anothertag. Not 
>> what I want.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[tw5] Adding tags containing spaces when creating a child tiddler

[passingby]

I am trying to create a child tiddler of a journal by attaching the name of 
the journal tiddler as a tag along with other tags. But it does not seem to 
work out.

 I have tried this:
<$button>
Add child tiddler
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"  tags=<> />


But this add three separate tags like 81th, 2019, May

then I tried this:

<$button>
Add child tiddler
<$wikify name="tidtags" text="[[<>]] anothertag">
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<> />



This results in two tags <> (literal) and anothertag. Not 
what I want.

Any ideas?




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[tw5] Re: Open a tiddler or create if it does not exist

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As an update I have decided to not to use modals, and use the natural 
tiddlywiki flow by using the zoomin story view instead. I want to make 
something that works in all the ways not just depend on modals. 

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:03:36 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 5:09:58 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Passingby
>>
>> The following may be obvious but worth remembering.
>>
>> If you have no need to use a template or apply tags to create a new 
>> tidder, a simple link even [[new tiddler]] is enough. The new here button 
>> helps create tiddlers tagged with the current of course. 
>>
>> but all the sophisticated options are available and I can help with those 
>> as I have studied them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>
> Tony,
>
> Thank you for your input. What I am trying to accomplish is create a food 
> journal for personal health issues. The target is to record everything I 
> eat or drink and record the symptoms that follow. The general idea is 
> create a journal tiddler. It should have a custom view template which 
> displays a kind of a menu with buttons in which I can create child tiddlers 
> such as events: breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack, drink, medication/supplement, 
> exercise/yoga/, Stress, Sleep. And then outcomes: physical symptoms, energy 
> level, mood, main thoughts(spiritual/job-related/creativity-related etc). 
>
> I was thinking I should have the child tiddlers such as events and 
> outcomes show up in a modal state. They should have a simple and minimal 
> layout with all the fields being displayed. Then there should (preferably) 
> be to buttons to either cancel or confirm the data change.
>
> In order to create a view template in which fields can be displayed I am 
> taking help from technique used by http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ in 
> the tiddler [[Creating a simple Contacts DB]]. I have tiddler which shows a 
> form whose fields are linked with the child tiddler. The name of the child 
> tiddler is picked up from another tiddler something like $:/_temp/meal. So 
> the way it happens is that whenever the button is pressed on the journal to 
> show a child tiddler, the name of that child is saved into  $:/_temp/meal 
> and then the form tiddler is shown in a modal. The form tiddler then shows 
> up the data because its fields are picking up the name from  $:/_temp/meal.
>
> The problem right now is whether it is possible to have a save/cancel 
> mechanism on the form tiddler. I don't think this is possible because in 
> this process the actuall child tiddler is not being put into an edit mode 
> and the tm-edit-tiddler event is not being fired and therefore 
> tm-cancel-tiddler cannot be used. So this is the problem right now.
>
> If I think about not taking this path but showing the actual child tiddler 
> in an edit mode, then I do not know how to change the editTemplate as to 
> per my taste. Because what I want in that is, have a clean simple form and 
> 2 buttons with cancel or confirm operations.
> So this is where I am at. Any suggestions or pointers or even a different 
> approach altogether is welcome.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Open a tiddler or create if it does not exist

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On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 5:09:58 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby
>
> The following may be obvious but worth remembering.
>
> If you have no need to use a template or apply tags to create a new 
> tidder, a simple link even [[new tiddler]] is enough. The new here button 
> helps create tiddlers tagged with the current of course. 
>
> but all the sophisticated options are available and I can help with those 
> as I have studied them.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

Tony,

Thank you for your input. What I am trying to accomplish is create a food 
journal for personal health issues. The target is to record everything I 
eat or drink and record the symptoms that follow. The general idea is 
create a journal tiddler. It should have a custom view template which 
displays a kind of a menu with buttons in which I can create child tiddlers 
such as events: breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack, drink, medication/supplement, 
exercise/yoga/, Stress, Sleep. And then outcomes: physical symptoms, energy 
level, mood, main thoughts(spiritual/job-related/creativity-related etc). 

I was thinking I should have the child tiddlers such as events and outcomes 
show up in a modal state. They should have a simple and minimal layout with 
all the fields being displayed. Then there should (preferably) be to 
buttons to either cancel or confirm the data change.

In order to create a view template in which fields can be displayed I am 
taking help from technique used by http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ in the 
tiddler [[Creating a simple Contacts DB]]. I have tiddler which shows a 
form whose fields are linked with the child tiddler. The name of the child 
tiddler is picked up from another tiddler something like $:/_temp/meal. So 
the way it happens is that whenever the button is pressed on the journal to 
show a child tiddler, the name of that child is saved into  $:/_temp/meal 
and then the form tiddler is shown in a modal. The form tiddler then shows 
up the data because its fields are picking up the name from  $:/_temp/meal.

The problem right now is whether it is possible to have a save/cancel 
mechanism on the form tiddler. I don't think this is possible because in 
this process the actuall child tiddler is not being put into an edit mode 
and the tm-edit-tiddler event is not being fired and therefore 
tm-cancel-tiddler cannot be used. So this is the problem right now.

If I think about not taking this path but showing the actual child tiddler 
in an edit mode, then I do not know how to change the editTemplate as to 
per my taste. Because what I want in that is, have a clean simple form and 
2 buttons with cancel or confirm operations.
So this is where I am at. Any suggestions or pointers or even a different 
approach altogether is welcome.


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[tw5] Re: Open a tiddler or create if it does not exist

[passingby]

I think I got it. All I need is second logic construct and put the other 
logic in the parameter "emptyMessage", which is the message displayed when 
the list does not run:

<$list filter="[tag[sometag]is[tiddler]]" emptyMessage="Does not exist. 
Show a button using a macro to create it!" >
It exists. Show a button to open the tiddler.



On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:07:40 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> I am thinking along these line. 
>
> <$list filter="[tag[sometag]is[missing]]">
> It is missing . Show a button to create a tiddler here
> 
> <$list filter="[tag[sometag]is[tiddler]]">
> It exists. Show a button to open the tiddler.
> 
>
> The second logic works but the first one does not because the list does 
> not 'run' when the check fails.
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 11:41:20 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to create child tiddlers of Journal tiddler. Every journal 
>> would have a  few button which would either create a child tiddler or open 
>> if one already exists. Is there a way to accomplish this?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Open a tiddler or create if it does not exist

[passingby]

I am thinking along these line. 

<$list filter="[tag[sometag]is[missing]]">
It is missing . Show a button to create a tiddler here

<$list filter="[tag[sometag]is[tiddler]]">
It exists. Show a button to open the tiddler.


The second logic works but the first one does not because the list does not 
'run' when the check fails.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 11:41:20 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>
> I am trying to create child tiddlers of Journal tiddler. Every journal 
> would have a  few button which would either create a child tiddler or open 
> if one already exists. Is there a way to accomplish this?
>

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[tw5] Open a tiddler or create if it does not exist

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I am trying to create child tiddlers of Journal tiddler. Every journal 
would have a  few button which would either create a child tiddler or open 
if one already exists. Is there a way to accomplish this?

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[tw5] Re: a list of all the in-built css classes?

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Hello Mark,
Thanks for this. It gives a lot to explore.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:35:15 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> As a first stab, just for fun, here is some code that will list a lot 
> (most?) of the .tc- classes and the tiddlers where they are (probably) 
> defined. 
>
> Note that some classes are defined in multiple places.
>
> The list is probably not complete because it uses "enlist" to split the 
> .tc- classes out of the text, which only works if there is space in front 
> of the ".". For 
> a more complete result, I would use something like the 3rd party (PR 
> #2963) regular expression splitter. 
>
> Be sure everything is backed up on your system -- running this takes a wee 
> bit of resources.
>
> -- Mark
>
> \define firstpass() 
> <$list filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]regexp:text[\.tc-]]">
> <$list filter="[all[current]enlist{!!text}regexp[^\.tc-]sort[title]]" 
> variable="theclass">
> <>
> 
> 
> \end
>
> <$wikify text=<> name="sortus">
> <$list filter="[subfiltersort[]]" variable="theclass">
> <$list filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]search:text]" 
> variable="thetiddler">
> <>: <> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:34:36 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Where can one look for a list of all the in-built css classes? Like for 
>> example tc-btn-big-green or others like this?
>>
>

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[tw5] a list of all the in-built css classes?

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Where can one look for a list of all the in-built css classes? Like for 
example tc-btn-big-green or others like this?

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[tw5] Re: Whats happening here?

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>
> Maybe your question is on a deeper level than I understand it but if not 
> then;
>
> A list of titles or strings work as constructors 
>  when in a 
> filter so currentTiddler really refers to the current tiddler title which 
> is the item for the current list loop iteration.  
>
> <:-)
>

Well I did want to understand what was happening at the actual javascript 
level. I was wondering is the currentTiddler serving as the iteration 
counter variable like we have in a FOR loop where we do something like :
  
for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) { 
  if(i==5){
 //do something here
  }
}

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[tw5] Re: Whats happening here?

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On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Although the attribute is called "filter", some filter operators can 
> generate entries (titles). The titles will be generated even if there is no 
> existing tiddler with that name. This turns out to be very useful in many 
> situations. 
>

This certainly would be helpful in some cases. 



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[tw5] Whats happening here?

[passingby]

<$list filter="ABC DEF GHI JKL">


<>


This produces the result as this:

ABC

DEF

GHI

JKL


Why is this so? AFAIK filter contains names of potential tiddlers and the 
variable currentTiddler would take up a value when there is a match. When 
there are no tiddlers to match, why should currentTiddler variable take up 
those values?


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[tw5] Re: A list which displays tiddler link alongside a 'done' or 'started' tag if present

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I knew I was missing something obvious.Thank you Eric!  

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 1:31:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> This is my current working solution. I have used Condition.json from 
>> tiddlwiki toolmap.
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[question]]">
>>
>>
>> <$link><>
>> <$if value={{{[tag[done]]}}}>
>> done
>> 
>> <$if value={{{[tag[started]]}}}>
>> started
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Is there any alternative way or a native way without the use of the 
>> plugin I used?
>>
>
> yes... like this:
> <$list filter="[tag[question]]">
><$link><$text text=<>/>
><$list filter=[tag[done]]">done
><$list filter=[tag[started]]"> started 
> 
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: A list which displays tiddler link alongside a 'done' or 'started' tag if present

[passingby]

This is my current working solution. I have used Condition.json from 
tiddlwiki toolmap.

<$list filter="[tag[question]tag[likes]]">


<$link><>
<$if value={{{[tag[done]]}}}>
done

<$if value={{{[tag[started]]}}}>
started



Is there any alternative way or a native way without the use of the plugin 
I used?

Thanks

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>
> I wish to display a list of tiddlers with their names (links) followed 
> with either 'started' or 'done' tag if one of these is present. Would this 
> be done using a reveal widget?
>

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[tw5] A list which displays tiddler link alongside a 'done' or 'started' tag if present

[passingby]

I wish to display a list of tiddlers with their names (links) followed with 
either 'started' or 'done' tag if one of these is present. Would this be 
done using a reveal widget?

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[tw5] Re: Re-installing TiddlyWiki

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I loved timmimi but it stopped supporting chrome, which I use, so now I use 
tiddlydrive. You have to add the tiddlydrive app to your google drive and 
then open a tiddlywiki stored in your google drive with tiddlydrive. This 
all has to be done in a browser and the file would open in a new tab, you 
could work on it and it would be automatically saved back to the location 
in google drive. So how this would work is:

1. Have a google drive account (you need not install google drive app on 
your local hard disk. You could just have it online)
2. Install tiddlydrive app to your google drive. I can't remember the exact 
steps but it can be found easily, just search,
3. Upload your tiddlywiki in your google drive
4. Access your google drive in the browser
5. Right click on the TW and choose Open with > Tiddlydrive.
6. It will ask for permissions, give them. 
7. The file shall open via tiddlydrive and you can work on it. It can be 
saved back to the original location. It can be set to be done automatically.



On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 3:32:51 AM UTC-7, Adrian Holbrook wrote:
>
> I have used TiddlyWiki for the last couple of years with no major 
> problems. Unfortunately my PC died the other day and I am in the process of 
> reinstalling all my software. I blithely assumed that I could download 
> FireFox and install TiddlyFox and evetything would be OK. It wasn't. I have 
> now read reams of discussion about the problems with FireFox after 57 and 
> with suggestions about getting around this with a multitude of different 
> platforms, addins etc. I just want to get the simplest way to get my 
> Tiddlers back and be able to continue using TiddlyWiki. I use Windows 10. 
> Can someone tell me what the best, least complicated way forward for 
> someone without a degree in computer science?
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[tw5] Is there a plugin for building questionnaires?

[passingby]

Is there something available to do something like a questionnaire to 
capture information in short/long answer, multiple choice, linear scale, 
checkbox list format? Similar to google forms?

Alternatively, any ideas in this direction?

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[tw5] Re: Button to edit current tiddler

[passingby]

I had to find an online text compare tool, to see what is being pointed. 
But I caught it now. For future reference the difference is: tm-edit-tiddler 
instead of tw-edit-tiddler.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:36:08 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-tiddler" $param="Top"/>
> edit
> 
>
>
>
> Birthe
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Use case: Presenting collection of publication records by topics

[passingby]

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 1:40:09 AM UTC-7, Adrian Kee wrote:
>
> Current theme: Snow White
>
> • *Snow White* Emphasises individual tiddlers 
> 
>
>
>  Ah, I see now its the color palette that is different. You've chosen 
Contrast Light palette. Looks good.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Use case: Presenting collection of publication records by topics

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Hello Adrian,

What theme have you used on your TW?

-passingby

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC-8, Adrian Kee wrote:
>
> Dear TiddlyWiki folks,
>
> In one of my recent scientific paper, I used TiddlyWiki to present a 
> collection of publication records in terms of topics.  See tentative link 
> <https://mindfulnesstm.github.io/tiddlywiki/Mindfulness_TM_2017.html>.
>
> I like to hear from fellow TiddlyWiki users on possible ways it can be 
> improved before I finalized the file for posterity (which can be real 
> soon). 
>
> I also need some help in setting it up for others to find it easily 
> through Google search. 
>
> All comments welcomed. Thanks in advance.
>
> adrian :)
>

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[tw5] Re: Specifying the Type attribute for a list

[passingby]

Its quite handy and short. I definitely use it. Thank you!

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 4:17:32 AM UTC-7, S. S. wrote:
>
> passingby,
>
> A little convoluted, but this works:
>
> 
> .u { list-style-type:upper-alpha; }
> .l { list-style-type:lower-alpha; }
> .r { list-style-type:upper-roman; }
> .n { list-style-type: none;   margin: 0;   padding: 0; }
> 
>
>
> *.u How
> **.l about
> ***.r that!
> .n Your
> ***.r fancy
> **.l list
> *.u  works
>
>
> Becomes:
> A. How
>  a. about
>   I.  that!
>   Your
>   II. fancy
>  b. list
> B. works
>
> The WikiText interpretation of a period charachter after the ** *takes 
> what follows the period as a "class" attribute.
>
> This:
>  *.u How
> Becomes:
> How
>
> Hope that helps in some way.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 12:15:24 AM UTC+7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mervin,
>>
>> In my use case the lists are just one or two liners items, they do not 
>> deserve to go into separate tiddlers of their own. But your use of html tag 
>> and list widget is surely useful in other cases.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Specifying the Type attribute for a list

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Hello Mervin,

In my use case the lists are just one or two liners items, they do not 
deserve to go into separate tiddlers of their own. But your use of html tag 
and list widget is surely useful in other cases.

Thank you

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 9:31:55 AM UTC-7, mervin mecklenburg wrote:
>
> If I understand the question, you can also try this.  The Type attribute 
> for HTML can be used with the $list widget as follows:
>
> 
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
> 
>
> Also, the list widget can be nested to insert sublists.  For example, I 
> use the following to create a formal outline for my notes:
>
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
>
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
>
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
>
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
>
> <$list filter="[tag{!!title}!has[stop]]">
> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
> 
>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!title}} mode="block" />
>
>
>
> 
>
> I hope this is useful.
>
> Merv
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 3:32:48 PM UTC-6, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Is the a wiki text way to specify the list item type like '1' 'A' 'a' 'I' 
>> 'i'  and their start attribute ? or do we have to define and use custom css 
>> classes?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Specifying the Type attribute for a list

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On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 9:10:06 PM UTC-7, S. S. wrote:
>
> Search this google group for:
> Change bullet list css lower-alpha
>
> Regards
>

Thank you S. S. 

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[tw5] Re: Specifying the Type attribute for a list

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Thank you. This is just as I thought. I only wanted to make sure I am not 
missing some tiddlywiki shorthand. Right now I am sometimes in a need of 
starting a list from a mid value. Like (iv) or something and then sublists 
with 'a' or 'A'. I am using inline html tag like . 
This is working fine but I wanted to know if there was a shorthand which 
will reduce the typing. 

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 4:56:12 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 10:32:48 PM UTC+1, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Is the a wiki text way to specify the list item type like '1' 'A' 'a' 'I' 
>> 'i'  and their start attribute ? or do we have to define and use custom css 
>> classes?
>>
>
> CSS attributes. see: 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/list-style-type#Values 
> and 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Styling_text/Styling_lists#Bullet_styles
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Specifying the Type attribute for a list

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Is the a wiki text way to specify the list item type like '1' 'A' 'a' 'I' 
'i'  and their start attribute ? or do we have to define and use custom css 
classes?

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

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Great work! I can imagine using this on a large desktop screen. Often to 
make notes I have a pdf open on the side. Now I can copy text onto a 
tiddler and keep it open on the side while I work on making notes in my 
main tiddler. This will be so much efficient.


On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:34 PM UTC-7, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>
> * Repopup
> * Volant
> * Engine
> * Mentat
>
> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>
> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, is 
> why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who wishes 
> to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to get 
> them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> admls
>
> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
> how to polish it a bit.
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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

[passingby]

Hello JD,

WOW. WE FOUND IT!!

Yes! I knew that I did save and I was not imagining anything.

THANK YOU. I have attached a screenshot from chrome's download's page. 
 

[image: TW Saving Failed.PNG]


You know what, this only proves an old adage from my native language. It 
means something like, if you have a problem, go to your rooftop and shout 
it out, somebody would have an answer to your problem. And this is what 
happened here.I reached out and found a solution. Ancients were right. 
Thank you JD.



On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 4:41:10 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I love that we are now on different realities because of this problem, 
> which has also happened to me... But maybe your problem might really have 
> been alien in nature?
>
> I also use the download saver method, overwriting the same file and then 
> once in a while saving to a backup location. All of this on Google Drive, 
> too, like you. 
>
> And you know what, sometimes Google Drive does this thing where it looks 
> like it has saved the file... until you look closely at the bottom bar of 
> the browser where it says "Failed - Insufficient permissions". Trouble with 
> this is you have to delete the file, wait for the deletion to sync and then 
> re-save. Mendokusai! Most worrying is, it looks exactly as if the file 
> actually saved.
>
> [image: Untitled.png]
>  
> Maybe this is what happened? Well anyway, my condolences to your lost data.
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:24:37 PM UTC+9, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your input. 
>> The TW was a fresh one which I downloaded today in the morning. The 
>> clocks were already 'spring ahead' on my laptop on sunday (should have, 
>> because I have on internet). So I dunno. 
>>
>> Maybe I am just dreaming things. I suspected that maybe instead of 'Save' 
>> I have been hitting 'Cancel' all the time. But its really hard to accept 
>> that. Or maybe I did not save at all and I am not sleeping well. 
>>
>> Sometimes I deeply suspect the nature of reality. I suspect that there is 
>> no objective reality and that world does not exist outside of our mind. But 
>> if the world of our mind does exist, then in that mind I DID save the file, 
>> so it should be there now. I don't know.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait, 5pm *PST*? That's not right. But it got me thinking.
>>>
>>> I suspect that the problem is an imperfect storm of  GD and DST. Are you 
>>> continuously connected to the net? Did your laptop automatically  update 
>>> the time over the weekend? Did you use the laptop over the weekend? I'm 
>>> thinking that  when you first started writing to the disk it did so with a 
>>> timestamp that was an hour behind. GD then thought the file in the cloud 
>>> was newer. So GD wrote over your file. Unless you double-checked the 
>>> timestamp yourself and/or reloaded the TW file, you wouldn't know that it 
>>> had happened. 
>>>
>>> That's my theory any way. Some variety of that.
>>>
>>> Well, hopefully it won't happen again for another 10 years.  Or at least 
>>> until Oct. 26.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:07 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
>>>> today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
>>>> happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
>>>> explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
>>>> Here are the facts of the case:
>>>>
>>>> 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is 
>>>> up-to-date.
>>>> 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
>>>> disk. 
>>>> 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
>>>> sync all the time
>>>> 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
>>>> save button and overwrote the local file. 
>>>> 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
>>>> saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
>>>> feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
>>>> 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
>>>> because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should mo

[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

[passingby]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for inputting. The thing is, between 12.30 pm and 5 pm, I am sure I 
saved a couple of times, and even if I saved a previous version, the time 
timestamp shows 12.30 pm, as if the local file wan not touched at all in 
this while. This is what I am finding spooky.

And you are right about timimi. I LOVED timimi plugin. In my old laptop I 
was using a previous version of it. This, my current laptop is a new one ( 
Acer Aspire 5) and I chose not to install an old version of timimi (and 
last I checked Timimi was not out for chrome yet) and therefore all this 
mess.

But now I have installed Tiddlydrive plugin and it seems to be working 
well. I have to open my TW through google drive web interface and choose 
tiddlydrive as the application to open. It saves automatically, so every 
commit is saved. I am liking it so far.

On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby
>
>
>- I assume it was a single file wiki?
>- I would not be surprised if the same wiki was in two tabs/windows, 
>you worked on the second, but saved the first last. This overwrite step 
>would look identical to your regular save.
>- This is one reason I use Timimi because the download saver is error 
>prone to human error.
>- Personally I use Timimi in FireFox with the backup settings. As well 
>as TiddlyServer with backup settings. I am yet to establish this in Bob as 
>well.
>
> Something I plan to do is to update my Directory of wikis to have a link 
> that uses a target=wikiname, I would use this for new wikis as well. At 
> least in the same browser every time you access the wiki using the 
> directory link it will open in the same tab, ensuring you have only one 
> copy in edit at a time. Bob also helps by allowing you to have more than 
> one tab open with the same wiki safely.
>
> I feel for your frustration.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 1:23:07 PM UTC+11, passingby wrote:
>>
>> There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
>> today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
>> happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
>> explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
>> Here are the facts of the case:
>>
>> 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is up-to-date.
>> 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
>> disk. 
>> 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
>> sync all the time
>> 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
>> save button and overwrote the local file. 
>> 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
>> saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
>> feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
>> 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
>> because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
>> 7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my laptop.
>> 8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the 
>> very first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
>> 9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
>> 10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the 
>> file version. There were none after 12.30pm!
>> 11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working on 
>> any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
>> 12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file I 
>> worked on. None.
>>
>> So what happened? The only explanation is that I did not save at all. 
>> This I am not ready to accept. I definitely saved a couple of times. But 
>> timestamp on my file as well as google driver version time says last 
>> modification was 12.30 pm. This is very strange. 
>> At one time during my workflow I pulled out the TW tab from my chrome and 
>> made it into separate window. And about an hour later I merged all the tabs 
>> back. I do not know, but I am suspecting maybe that splitting and merging 
>> did something. 
>>
>> Well, the data was lost. That's okay. 
>>
>> Assuming that I did press the save button and followed the process, is it 
>> in any way possible that Chrome did not overwrite the local file? 
>>
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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

[passingby]

>
>
>> Speaking of alternate realities, if you go the google drive web 
> interface, Google keeps versions of your files for 30 days. Have you 
> checked those for your lost work?
>
> Good luck!
>
> -- Mark
>

I did. The timestamp found on google drive web interface matched (I checked 
at that time) with the one which is on the local file on the hard disk. It 
was around 12.30 pm. And I closed my laptop at 5 pm in the evening. 

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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

[passingby]

Thank you for your input. 
The TW was a fresh one which I downloaded today in the morning. The clocks 
were already 'spring ahead' on my laptop on sunday (should have, because I 
have on internet). So I dunno. 

Maybe I am just dreaming things. I suspected that maybe instead of 'Save' I 
have been hitting 'Cancel' all the time. But its really hard to accept 
that. Or maybe I did not save at all and I am not sleeping well. 

Sometimes I deeply suspect the nature of reality. I suspect that there is 
no objective reality and that world does not exist outside of our mind. But 
if the world of our mind does exist, then in that mind I DID save the file, 
so it should be there now. I don't know.


On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Wait, 5pm *PST*? That's not right. But it got me thinking.
>
> I suspect that the problem is an imperfect storm of  GD and DST. Are you 
> continuously connected to the net? Did your laptop automatically  update 
> the time over the weekend? Did you use the laptop over the weekend? I'm 
> thinking that  when you first started writing to the disk it did so with a 
> timestamp that was an hour behind. GD then thought the file in the cloud 
> was newer. So GD wrote over your file. Unless you double-checked the 
> timestamp yourself and/or reloaded the TW file, you wouldn't know that it 
> had happened. 
>
> That's my theory any way. Some variety of that.
>
> Well, hopefully it won't happen again for another 10 years.  Or at least 
> until Oct. 26.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:07 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>
>> There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
>> today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
>> happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
>> explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
>> Here are the facts of the case:
>>
>> 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is up-to-date.
>> 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
>> disk. 
>> 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
>> sync all the time
>> 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
>> save button and overwrote the local file. 
>> 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
>> saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
>> feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
>> 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
>> because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
>> 7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my laptop.
>> 8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the 
>> very first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
>> 9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
>> 10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the 
>> file version. There were none after 12.30pm!
>> 11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working on 
>> any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
>> 12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file I 
>> worked on. None.
>>
>> So what happened? The only explanation is that I did not save at all. 
>> This I am not ready to accept. I definitely saved a couple of times. But 
>> timestamp on my file as well as google driver version time says last 
>> modification was 12.30 pm. This is very strange. 
>> At one time during my workflow I pulled out the TW tab from my chrome and 
>> made it into separate window. And about an hour later I merged all the tabs 
>> back. I do not know, but I am suspecting maybe that splitting and merging 
>> did something. 
>>
>> Well, the data was lost. That's okay. 
>>
>> Assuming that I did press the save button and followed the process, is it 
>> in any way possible that Chrome did not overwrite the local file? 
>>
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[tw5] Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

[passingby]

There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours today. 
Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it happened. 
I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange explanations or if it 
has happened to you like this ever.
Here are the facts of the case:

1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is up-to-date.
2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
disk. 
3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in sync 
all the time
4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
save button and overwrote the local file. 
5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
6.  At around 5pm EST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop because 
my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my laptop.
8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the very 
first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the file 
version. There were none after 12.30pm!
11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working on 
any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file I 
worked on. None.

So what happened? The only explanation is that I did not save at all. This 
I am not ready to accept. I definitely saved a couple of times. But 
timestamp on my file as well as google driver version time says last 
modification was 12.30 pm. This is very strange. 
At one time during my workflow I pulled out the TW tab from my chrome and 
made it into separate window. And about an hour later I merged all the tabs 
back. I do not know, but I am suspecting maybe that splitting and merging 
did something. 

Well, the data was lost. That's okay. 

Assuming that I did press the save button and followed the process, is it 
in any way possible that Chrome did not overwrite the local file? 

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