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2019-05-29 Thread TonyM
Mario Good point about Webdav. I set it up on IIS and it worked well. I belive its available on other platforms. As a technology do you know more about its availability and benefits? Regards Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki"

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2019-05-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
PMario wrote: > > ... WebDav savers, which IMO are a little bit underestimated. > I agree. I think the key question I was thinking about when I started the thread was only really about "is there one methodology?" That is: (a) simple to understand and implement; (b) works in most every

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2019-05-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Jed Carty wrote: > > ... the workflow for single file wikis on Bob isn't too terribly far from > being able to just open an html file from within bob and have the changes > autosaved back to the single file wiki. It won't ever be as simple as just > double clicking on the html file because

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2019-05-26 Thread PMario
Hi Tony, I think you forgot about the WebDav savers, which IMO are a little bit underestimated. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2019-05-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Jed Carty wrote: > > ... From what I have seen bash scripting can do anything done in > powershell so that shouldn't be a problem... > Good news! Josiah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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2019-05-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TT wrote ... > ... *the only issue I see is TIMING.* The downside of using an external >> script to native TW methods on saving is that Restore is that you need to >> POLL the Wiki often to keep contemporaneous. This may be slightly confusing >> to end-users under some circumstances. > > Mark

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2019-05-25 Thread TonyM
Jes an aside of your aside > > As a side note, the workflow for single file wikis on Bob isn't too > terribly far from being able to just open an html file from within bob and > have the changes autosaved back to the single file wiki. It won't ever be > as simple as just double clicking on

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2019-05-25 Thread Jed Carty
osx has bash with most of the common commands available, so bash scripting on osx is almost identical to on linux. I think that there are some subtle differences in how osx and linux handle file watchers but I don't remember what they are so that may not affect this. From what I have seen bash

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2019-05-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TonyM wrote: > > Whilst I have being a script kiddy with PowerShell I have a very high > level of batch programming skills .bat and .cmd and have automated windows > desktop and servers many times. > Right. Opens the possibility that Mark S.' script could be invoked from a batch that does

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2019-05-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > It needs something more catchy than the "restore" terminology. Maybe the > "Phoenix", "dezombifier", or "nine-lives" process. Something to think about. > Lazarus? Nine Lives / 9-Lives / *shortform: *9L ? Seems suitably catty for TW :-)? Thoughts Josiah -- You received

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2019-05-24 Thread TonyM
Thanks Gentlemen, mark and josiah for your considered responses. I will read through this again, perhaps more than once and think deeply about it. Like you both I would love for us to find nirvana for tiddlywiki saves. Whilst I have being a script kiddy with PowerShell I have a very high level

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2019-05-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 4:13:39 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > > But it won't work if you save someplace not being monitored. > >> >>- Can we build this to cater for every Operating system? >> >> Linux has a rich library of shell tools. I'm reasonably confident that it's possible to

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2019-05-24 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao TonyM I been playing with Mark S.' PowerShell solution (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/tMLfNs1K3JU/gkrGu-ubAQAJ). My comments are based on experiments with that. TonyM wrote: > > So we can say "this method allows you to open your TiddlyWiki from the > "original file location"

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2019-05-24 Thread TonyM
Mark, Please correct me if in the following words, I am incorrect. Answering the questions as well please. So we can say "this method allows you to open your TiddlyWiki from the "original file location" (where ever you choose), it saves the TiddlyWiki in the browsers "download" location, but

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2019-05-23 Thread TonyM
Mark, I am not saying that. However if users can be easily confused, or server alternatives simple to install I believe they can compete with such solutions. The default save mechanism where you must select the destination and overwrite the same file, if your browser permits, is easy to loath

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2019-05-23 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TonyM wrote: > > This approach accepts there needs to be an Browser piece for each > platform. > Right. And maybe it might be better NOT to do that? IF there is a way its avoidable? Having to individually support browsers one by one is a lot of work. Best wishes Josiah > -- You received

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2019-05-23 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: >> Meanwhile, a batch file with less than a hundred lines of code can provide the features that you do need. > If this means keeping the saved wikis under the browser this adds complexity to the workings, > more places for error

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2019-05-23 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
This has been a very interesting thread. One that went a way I never anticipated and led to astute comments & discussion from folk who understand TW saving/restore issues well. The ONE thing I take away from it that is I think significant is the IMPLICIT idea TW (in reality) needs Chrome or

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2019-05-23 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Riz Its good what you wrote. And I'm very grateful for what you have done. If you have time to extend Timimi to other browsers it would be great! I just don't see other programmers supporting you. Isn't it a lot of work alone? This thread got slightly side-tracked into discussion of

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2019-05-22 Thread TonyM
Mark thanks for the responce >> 300 megs is becoming trivial for desktops today. Reboot requirement, I >> have not observed this? >> >> >>> > Misses the point. TiddlyWiki used to be this light-weight, single file > solution. 300 megs is not lightweight, even today. > > > TiddlyDesktop

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2019-05-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: > > Mark, > > > 300 megs is becoming trivial for desktops today. Reboot requirement, I > have not observed this? > > >> Misses the point. TiddlyWiki used to be this light-weight, single file solution. 300 megs is not lightweight,

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2019-05-22 Thread TonyM
Mark, I have a different view on a number of the items you responded too, however my post was a little off topic in the first place I do not want to perpetuate this too much. > On SharePoint renaming a file to tiddlywiki.aspx uses any browser and can >> save back (store in a webPages library

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2019-05-22 Thread TonyM
Riz, I think an approach to this with timimi on all browser platforms, with a friendly installer for each so they look very similar is the best way to go for single file wikis. The reason being Timimi treats the wikis just like any other file that can also open in the browser. This approach

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2019-05-22 Thread Riz
Let me clarify my comment. I did not want to promote an external solution in any language, be it python or node or bash for this purpose. My point was, any solution for single file TW5s that doesn't involve browser will have multiple edge cases, restrictions and will be a short sighted

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > Doesn't work with Edge > Small footnote. Love it or loathe it, Edge is a an interesting browser in its integration with its OS. One thing, is its recognition of vocal commands is very good. Very good. I see no reason its not on the same TW footing as Firefox and Chrome. I

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I just want to add one simple observation on Mark's comments. I do NOT think its healthy we habituated ourselves to Chrome OR Firefox talk. TiddlyWiki should USE browsers, not be a Slave any specific one. Who is Commander? TW or Browser? Thoughts Josiah On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:59:00

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2019-05-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 3:22:09 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: > > Timimi on Firefox is set and forget - for single file wikis from any > folder and save to any folder > Doesn't work with Edge, or Vivaldi, or Chrome. > Bob.exe is very easy to use without trying to do anything special. >

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TonyM wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying. Why do you focus on restore rather than save? > Good question. Simply, Restore from Downloads looks like THE closest thing to a Global Method. It would work with any browser. Josiah A universal solution would be great, and anything is possible

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2019-05-22 Thread TonyM
Josiah, Thanks for clarifying. Why do you focus on restore rather than save? A universal solution would be great, and anything is possible especially with skills and creativity. The issue with universal is it needs work throughout the universe. Perhaps the top 3 to 5 browsers would go 99% of

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Riz wrote: > > Let us consider the possibilities. > > If we are looking for a solution external to browser, there is a couple of > issues. > > First, TW5 does not store the save path anywhere in its body and rightly > so. This means there is no way for any solution to know where to move the >

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao TonyM I appreciate your overview. Its accurate and useful. BUT I was only meaning SINGLE FILE WIKI. Concerning the specific issue ... well actually the thread went different than I thought it might ;-) lol. For the SPECIFIC issue I was mainly interested in was limited to exploring

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2019-05-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Thanks Riz for your detailed response. I add a few comments later. I need think on it a bit more to be fair. But before I do comment I think its useful to say that what I (and maybe Mark S.?) twigged is NOT the Save problem but, rather, we are dealing with the RESURRECTION Problem (Mark can

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2019-05-22 Thread TonyM
Some quick notes Because I am not sure I understand this conversation. A bit off topic perhaps - but real information. 1. In your browser such as FireFox (and others?) you can set "let me choose the download location every time", When using the default download saver drop your wiki

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2019-05-21 Thread Riz
Let us consider the possibilities. If we are looking for a solution external to browser, there is a couple of issues. First, TW5 does not store the save path anywhere in its body and rightly so. This means there is no way for any solution to know where to move the latest TW5 file to. So it

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2019-05-21 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Repeat for email ... On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:24:35 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > 1 -- Android --- Quinoid (might be #2 if it had any competition) > > 2 -- Windows browser --- Firefox + Timmimi > > 3 -- Windows desktop --- TiddlyDesktop (could be #1 or #2 if it were > slightly more like