Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

I've pushed an update to master which will now fail quickly and log an
error message if there is an error creating the backup. So it will be in
the next release. Thank you for your feedback, it helps a lot.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mark S.
>
> I did NOT make a backup directory. I don't need it. I already run
> redundant backup from an external program that detects changes every 10
> minutes or so.
>
> Could that be an issue? That I don't need back-up?
>
> My json file is this ...
>
> {
> "tree": {
> "crusoe": "../../tw_crusoe",
> "arbeit": "../../tw_arbeit"
> },
> "types":{
> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
> },
> "username": "",
> "password": "",
> "host": "127.0.0.1",
> "port": 8080,
> "backupDirectory": "backup"
> }
>
> I'm going to remove "backupDirectory": "backup" and see if it helps.
>
> Thanks
> Josiah
>
>
> On Monday, 10 July 2017 17:57:15 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josiah,
>>
>> I would verify that the original TW can still load in your browser
>> without the RSOD.
>>
>> Could we see your settings.json file?
>>
>> It looks like it's having problems saving your back-up. Did you make a
>> back-up directory (I believe you need to make the directory by hand).
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Arlen
>>>
>>> I have no idea what I am doing wrong :-(.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> Arlen Beiler wrote:

 If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved.

 So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request
 will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not needed
 in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or
 spaces in the url.

>>>
>>> I get this message when clicking the red circle/tick in TW for one TW ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BUT after after a while (like two minutes later) the console reports
>>> (without my intervention) ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The button is STILL RED and does nothing visible when you click except,
>>> in the console, again, report,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen 

Great! None of my addresses have spaces or encoding needed characters. I'm 
gonna delete the "bookmarklet".

Best wishes
Josiah

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> The bookmarklet is not needed in all cases, such as where there are no 
> percent-encoded characters or spaces in the url.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen & Mark S.

Indeed, removing the line ... 

"backupDirectory": "backup"

... seems to have solved the issue. (Fingers crossed)

It may be worth mentioning in the documentation that *if you don't need 
backup you should remove the backup line*? 

Anyway, that seems like it was my issue.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 10 July 2017 18:13:58 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S.
>
> I did NOT make a backup directory. I don't need it. I already run 
> redundant backup from an external program that detects changes every 10 
> minutes or so.
>
> Could that be an issue? That I don't need back-up?
>
> My json file is this ...
>
> {
> "tree": {
> "crusoe": "../../tw_crusoe",
> "arbeit": "../../tw_arbeit"
> },
> "types":{
> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
> },
> "username": "",
> "password": "",
> "host": "127.0.0.1",
> "port": 8080,
> "backupDirectory": "backup"
> }
>
> I'm going to remove "backupDirectory": "backup" and see if it helps.
>
> Thanks
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 10 July 2017 17:57:15 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josiah,
>>
>> I would verify that the original TW can still load in your browser 
>> without the RSOD.
>>
>> Could we see your settings.json file?
>>
>> It looks like it's having problems saving your back-up. Did you make a 
>> back-up directory (I believe you need to make the directory by hand).
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Arlen
>>>
>>> I have no idea what I am doing wrong :-(.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> Arlen Beiler wrote:

 If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved. 

 So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request 
 will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not 
 needed 
 in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or 
 spaces in the url.

>>>
>>> I get this message when clicking the red circle/tick in TW for one TW ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BUT after after a while (like two minutes later) the console reports 
>>> (without my intervention) ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The button is STILL RED and does nothing visible when you click except, 
>>> in the console, again, report, 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark S.

I did NOT make a backup directory. I don't need it. I already run redundant 
backup from an external program that detects changes every 10 minutes or so.

Could that be an issue? That I don't need back-up?

My json file is this ...

{
"tree": {
"crusoe": "../../tw_crusoe",
"arbeit": "../../tw_arbeit"
},
"types":{
"htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
},
"username": "",
"password": "",
"host": "127.0.0.1",
"port": 8080,
"backupDirectory": "backup"
}

I'm going to remove "backupDirectory": "backup" and see if it helps.

Thanks
Josiah

On Monday, 10 July 2017 17:57:15 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> I would verify that the original TW can still load in your browser without 
> the RSOD.
>
> Could we see your settings.json file?
>
> It looks like it's having problems saving your back-up. Did you make a 
> back-up directory (I believe you need to make the directory by hand).
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Arlen
>>
>> I have no idea what I am doing wrong :-(.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved. 
>>>
>>> So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request 
>>> will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not needed 
>>> in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or 
>>> spaces in the url.
>>>
>>
>> I get this message when clicking the red circle/tick in TW for one TW ...
>>
>>
>>
>> BUT after after a while (like two minutes later) the console reports 
>> (without my intervention) ...
>>
>>
>>
>> The button is STILL RED and does nothing visible when you click except, 
>> in the console, again, report, 
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Josiah,

I would verify that the original TW can still load in your browser without 
the RSOD.

Could we see your settings.json file?

It looks like it's having problems saving your back-up. Did you make a 
back-up directory (I believe you need to make the directory by hand).

Good luck,
Mark


On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:51:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Arlen
>
> I have no idea what I am doing wrong :-(.
>
> Josiah
>
> Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved. 
>>
>> So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request 
>> will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not needed 
>> in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or 
>> spaces in the url.
>>
>
> I get this message when clicking the red circle/tick in TW for one TW ...
>
>
>
> BUT after after a while (like two minutes later) the console reports 
> (without my intervention) ...
>
>
>
> The button is STILL RED and does nothing visible when you click except, in 
> the console, again, report, 
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

I have no idea what I am doing wrong :-(.

Josiah

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved. 
>
> So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request 
> will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not needed 
> in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or 
> spaces in the url.
>

I get this message when clicking the red circle/tick in TW for one TW ...



BUT after after a while (like two minutes later) the console reports 
(without my intervention) ...



The button is STILL RED and does nothing visible when you click except, in 
the console, again, report, 



Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. & Arlen ...

I probably done something seriously wrong :-)

I'm getting messages on ONE TiddlyWiki like this ...


 


Then a RSOD ...



Best wishes
Josiah


Mark S. wrote:
>
> On mine the save button greys out as expected. But I still have tiddlyfox 
> installed. I'm wondering if that provides the feedback to tell TW to grey 
> out the cat (all cats are grey when the monitor is off)   even when it (TF) 
> isn't doing the actual saving.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

If the checkmark is red, it did not get saved. When you click the
checkmark, it will use the first available saver. If the put saver is
available, it will use it, if not it will skip to the next one. The
TiddlyFox saver (up to TW5 v5.1.14 or so) and the TiddlyFox Firefox plugin
(always did, always should) both check to make sure the file is served from
a file: url. So it should not interfere.

So click the checkmark if it is red and see what happens. A PUT request
will show up in the log if it was successful. The bookmarklet is not needed
in all cases, such as where there are no percent-encoded characters or
spaces in the url.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:49 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On mine the save button greys out as expected. But I still have tiddlyfox
> installed. I'm wondering if that provides the feedback to tell TW to grey
> out the cat (all cats are grey when the monitor is off)   even when it (TF)
> isn't doing the actual saving.
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:14:58 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Arlen
>>
>> In a TW served by TiddlyServer how do I KNOW its saved?
>>
>> When I click the bookmark* Fix Put Saver *the console shows this ...
>>
>>
>>
>> That means "tw_arbeit_last.html" has been saved?
>>
>> I'm a bit confused as it still shows this in the  TW ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Josiah
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On mine the save button greys out as expected. But I still have tiddlyfox 
installed. I'm wondering if that provides the feedback to tell TW to grey 
out the cat (all cats are grey when the monitor is off)   even when it (TF) 
isn't doing the actual saving.

Mark

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:14:58 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Arlen
>
> In a TW served by TiddlyServer how do I KNOW its saved?
>
> When I click the bookmark* Fix Put Saver *the console shows this ...
>
>
>
> That means "tw_arbeit_last.html" has been saved? 
>
> I'm a bit confused as it still shows this in the  TW ...
>
>
>
> Josiah
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

In a TW served by TiddlyServer how do I KNOW its saved?

When I click the bookmark* Fix Put Saver *the console shows this ...



That means "tw_arbeit_last.html" has been saved? 

I'm a bit confused as it still shows this in the  TW ...



Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Ciao Birthe

I aware of it. Though I don't know the operational differences so well. But 
I think the core of what I wrote still applies.

Best wishes
Josiah

Birthe C wrote:
>
> Remember not everyone is using Windows.
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Birthe C]

Hi Josiah,

Remember not everyone is using Windows.


Birthe

Den mandag den 10. juli 2017 kl. 12.10.56 UTC+2 skrev @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Ciao Arlen
>
> I have got TiddlyServer running (the minimal "portable" version). 
>
> 1 - I have it active in my Portable Apps system. I confirm it IS fully 
> portable. I did tests.
>
> 2 - It seems it can CO-EXIST in a browser running TiddlyFox. TW's accessed 
> through the IP address (correctly) show no save options in TiddlyFox.* I 
> think that is a major plus worth noting*. It allows for incremental 
> experiencing, rather than radical shift. 
>
> 3 - *Its obviously a better solution than TiddlyDesktop*, which, 
> unfortunately, has problems rendering some pages nowadays. TiddlyServer 
> interfaces with a normal browser so such issues do not arise.
>
> 4 - I found it COMPLICATED to get working. I'm wondering if, longer term, 
> when its settled down a bit, if there could be a "packaged installer" for 
> the whole thing, where a user simply chooses an install directory?
>
> I'll keep on playing with it & report back. 
>
> Josiah
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Ciao Arlen

I have got TiddlyServer running (the minimal "portable" version). 

1 - I have it active in my Portable Apps system. I confirm it IS fully 
portable. I did tests.

2 - It seems it can CO-EXIST in a browser running TiddlyFox. TW's accessed 
through the IP address (correctly) show no save options in TiddlyFox. I 
think that is a major plus worth noting. It allows for incremental 
experiencing, rather than radical shift. 

3 - Its obviously a better solution than TiddlyDesktop, which, 
unfortunately, has problems rendering some pages nowadays. TiddlyServer 
interfaces with a normal browser so such issues do not arise.

4 - I found it COMPLICATED to get working. I'm wondering if, longer term, 
when its settled down a bit, if there could be a "packaged installer" for 
the whole thing, where a user simply chooses an install directory?

I'll keep on playing with it & report back. 

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

And the zip (binary) package will not change the registry. So you can just
delete the files. The msi (installer) package may add something to the
registry and does change PATH, unless you tell it not to. But Node does not
use the registry for normal operation, that I know of. I could be wrong
though.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> If you paste it into a JSON validator online it should tell you what the
> trouble is. As you can see, it says unexpected token in JSON, which means,
> in this case, that the settings file is not formatted correctly (JSON is a
> little picky).
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:17 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> There might be a way to do it through the node.js command prompt, so it's
>> not bad thinking.
>>
>> It looks like you have a comma in a place it shouldn't be.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 12:10:07 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Mark S.
>>>
>>> Its a step. Thankyou!
>>>
>>> Before I was trying to execute through the Node command prompt not the
>>> O/S command prompt (no one told me otherwise, I really am "tell me what to
>>> do & I will do it" :-)
>>>
>>> Using the O/S I began to get somewhere but hit other issues ... I need
>>> examine my JSON. A dopo (later).
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark S. wrote:

 you have to type


 *node server.js*
 Or make a batch file like I suggested.

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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If you paste it into a JSON validator online it should tell you what the
trouble is. As you can see, it says unexpected token in JSON, which means,
in this case, that the settings file is not formatted correctly (JSON is a
little picky).

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:17 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> There might be a way to do it through the node.js command prompt, so it's
> not bad thinking.
>
> It looks like you have a comma in a place it shouldn't be.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 12:10:07 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S.
>>
>> Its a step. Thankyou!
>>
>> Before I was trying to execute through the Node command prompt not the
>> O/S command prompt (no one told me otherwise, I really am "tell me what to
>> do & I will do it" :-)
>>
>> Using the O/S I began to get somewhere but hit other issues ... I need
>> examine my JSON. A dopo (later).
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> you have to type
>>>
>>>
>>> *node server.js*
>>> Or make a batch file like I suggested.
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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TBH I don't want it needing a set path at all. I want it portable and 
contained. If its possible. I think it is. Buts its maybe why I'm having 
trouble getting it to run. At the explicit level it should run without 
relying on environment variables if all the running bits are together in 
one directory. But so far i not got is running. That is likely my idiocy 
over something simple?

Mark S. wrote:
>
> You just unzipped? No install? Not sure how that works (how does Windows 
> find node?) but if that's how you installed then it should be OK to just 
> delete.
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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You just unzipped? No install? Not sure how that works (how does Windows 
find node?) but if that's how you installed then it should be OK to just 
delete.

The regular install, according to some sources, changes the registry. And 
I'm pretty sure that it puts itself on the path (unless I did that and 
forgot )

Mark

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark S. for that heads up.
>
> I did not realise it was changing the registry. Perhaps not as I did the 
> Zip route.
>
> I'll check.
>
> Josiah
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I would use the uninstall through the menu so everything gets cleaned up 
>> (including paths and registry settings)
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Thanks Mark S. for that heads up.

I did not realise it was changing the registry. Perhaps not as I did the 
Zip route.

I'll check.

Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
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> I would use the uninstall through the menu so everything gets cleaned up 
> (including paths and registry settings)
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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I would use the uninstall through the menu so everything gets cleaned up 
(including paths and registry settings)

Mark

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 4:34:33 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Arlen
>
> I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86" 
> install?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Arlen Beiler replied:
>>
>> Just node.exe is enough.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Mark S. wrote:

 I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node 
 executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the 
 same directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to 
 install 
 nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable. 

>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it it means to ALSO copy over all the rest of the node 
>>> stuff there too? i.e. all of this? ...
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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You could do { "tree": { "tw": "../../../tw" } } and put that in
_bucket/tserver (which would make it readable from the browser -- not
recommended! Or you could do { "tree": { "crusoe_or_whatever":
"../../tw_crusoe" } } and so on.

Remember, all paths are relative to settings.json.

Sounds, good. Always good to get the word out :)

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:51 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Arlen
>
> I'm on TiddlyServer 2.0.5. I need a bit of help configuring the
>
> *settings.json.*My aim is for a Portable Version. I am on Windows 7.
>
> The settings.json gives this for the core paths ...
>
> "tree": {
> "alias": "C:/my folder path",
> "alias2": {
> "alias2child": "relative folder path"
> }
>
> What I want to do is this:
>
> 1 - RUN it from C:/bag/pages/tw/_bucket/tserver
>
> 2 - FOR TiddlyWikis found in sub dirs of C:/bag/pages/tw, such as
> "C:/bag/pages/tw/tw_crusoe/tw_crusoe.html" &
> "C:/bag/pages/tw/tw_tweeter/tiddlytweeter.html"
>
> 3 - I want ALL paths RELATIVE so I can copy the install over
>  to a pen drive without any path issues (i.e. fully portable).
>
> Can you help me get the *settings.json* correct for this? I fiddled about but
> its not working. Maybe I am doing relative paths wrong?
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Ciao Arlen

Your license is "LICENSE.md", right? Node's is just "LICENSE". So they can 
co-habit. The only reason I ask is because I am very aware that open source 
is badly exploited and I just like to pay a bit of attention to that, the 
work others have done deserves some credit, even if only for my own eyes. 
On your suggestion I will rename it.

Best wishes
Josiah

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> Well, that is only necessary if you are redistributing your copy to the 
> public. 
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Well, that is only necessary if you are redistributing your copy to the
public. In this case, you are the end user, so there is no need. Obviously
if you give someone else your copy, you should let them know where they can
find TiddlyServer and Node online, but that would probably be enough
attribution for person to person sharing. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, and
this should not be construed to be legal advice. But in the spirit of
attribution, letting them know that the Node binary is freely available
from NodeJS.org should be enough, in my opinion.

You can if you want, just make sure you rename it so as to not confuse it
with the TiddlyServer license.

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> Ciao Arlen
>
> Just a small footnote before I delete the folder. Should I copy over the
> LICENSE file for node? Would it apply with the moved node.exe alone?
>
> Josiah
>
> I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86"
>>> install?
>>
>>
> Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
>> Yes, the rest is basically just NPM related stuff that you don't need.
>> Everything is contained in the node executable.
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

I'm on TiddlyServer 2.0.5. I need a bit of help configuring the 

*settings.json.*My aim is for a Portable Version. I am on Windows 7.

The settings.json gives this for the core paths ...

"tree": {
"alias": "C:/my folder path",
"alias2": {
"alias2child": "relative folder path"
}

What I want to do is this:

1 - RUN it from C:/bag/pages/tw/_bucket/tserver

2 - FOR TiddlyWikis found in sub dirs of C:/bag/pages/tw, such as 
"C:/bag/pages/tw/tw_crusoe/tw_crusoe.html" & 
"C:/bag/pages/tw/tw_tweeter/tiddlytweeter.html"

3 - I want ALL paths RELATIVE so I can copy the install over
 to a pen drive without any path issues (i.e. fully portable).

Can you help me get the *settings.json* correct for this? I fiddled about but 
its not working. Maybe I am doing relative paths wrong?


Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Ciao Arlen

Just a small footnote before I delete the folder. Should I copy over the 
LICENSE file for node? Would it apply with the moved node.exe alone?

Josiah

I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86" 
>> install?
>
>
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> Yes, the rest is basically just NPM related stuff that you don't need. 
> Everything is contained in the node executable.
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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>
> I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86"
> install?


Yes, the rest is basically just NPM related stuff that you don't need.
Everything is contained in the node executable.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 7:34 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Ciao Arlen
>
> I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86"
> install?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Arlen Beiler replied:
>>
>> Just node.exe is enough.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Mark S. wrote:

 I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node
 executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the
 same directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to install
 nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable.

>>>
>>> I'm wondering if it it means to ALSO copy over all the rest of the node
>>> stuff there too? i.e. all of this? ...
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

I copied node.exe over. Can I safely now delete the "node-v6.11.0-win-x86" 
install?

Best wishes
Josiah

Arlen Beiler replied:
>
> Just node.exe is enough.
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node 
>>> executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the 
>>> same directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to install 
>>> nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable. 
>>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if it it means to ALSO copy over all the rest of the node 
>> stuff there too? i.e. all of this? ...
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Just node.exe is enough.

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:35 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mark S. & Arlen
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node
>> executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the
>> same directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to install
>> nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable.
>>
>
> I'm wondering if it it means to ALSO copy over all the rest of the node
> stuff there too? i.e. all of this? ...
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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Ciao Mark S. & Arlen

Mark S. wrote:
>
> I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node 
> executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the 
> same directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to install 
> nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable. 
>

I'm wondering if it it means to ALSO copy over all the rest of the node 
stuff there too? i.e. all of this? ...


Best wishes 
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

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I was wondering about that too. I think he's referring to the node 
executable(s) from nodejs.org. If you have the node executable in the same 
directory as the rest of tiddly server, then you don't need to install 
nodejs separately or make a long path to the installed executable. 

I wonder if it would be an intellectual property violation to make a 
complete bundle that already contained the node executable? Reduce the 
number of steps, which are still quite a few for newbies. 

If the executable was there, then a next step (for windows users) would be 
to include a batch file or shortcut file to launch the server. That way the 
user wouldn't have to drop to a command shell. One less step. Probably 
shell scripts of some type would work for mac or linux users.

Mark

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I just commented on Github about this .. To a user like me when I read ... 
>
> Download the latest release of TiddlyServer from 
>> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases unzip the folder 
>> contained in the zip file to wherever you want it. *Put the binary in 
>> this folder if you want it to be portable.*
>
>
> ... I don't actually know what you mean :-). Which binary? What I do know 
> is I'd like it, when setup, it to be a portable app.
>
> I will happily help shape documentation if you want for idiots like me. 
> First I have to actually get it working to know what it is :-).
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I just commented on Github about this .. To a user like me when I read ... 

Download the latest release of TiddlyServer from 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases unzip the folder 
> contained in the zip file to wherever you want it. *Put the binary in 
> this folder if you want it to be portable.*


... I don't actually know what you mean :-). Which binary? What I do know 
is I'd like it, when setup, it to be a portable app.

I will happily help shape documentation if you want for idiots like me. 
First I have to actually get it working to know what it is :-).

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

That last one was if you have the node binary in the same folder rather
than installed on PATH (in windows terms).

Otherwise, copy the complete error output in here and I'll try to take a
stab at it.

On Jul 6, 2017 07:06, "Arlen Beiler"  wrote:

> Does it work to do  ./node server ?
>
> On Jul 6, 2017 04:18, "Birthe C"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Arlen,
>> I am running Linux Mint Mate 32 bit and trying to follow you explanation,
>> I get an error, something about a symlink missing.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:01:14 AM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler
>> wrote:mAlright, I did it. Check it out if you are interested:
>> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer#bundled-version
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Mat  wrote:
>>>
 @Arlen,
>
>
 The bar to use TW is pretty high.
 From what I understand, TiddlyServer solves some basic needs.
 Therefore, the easier TiddlyServer would be to use the better,
 generally. The requirement to run npm is a turnoff, even for an experienced
 TW user (but not nodejs TW) like me.

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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

Does it work to do  ./node server ?

On Jul 6, 2017 04:18, "Birthe C"  wrote:

> Hi Arlen,
> I am running Linux Mint Mate 32 bit and trying to follow you explanation,
> I get an error, something about a symlink missing.
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:01:14 AM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler
> wrote:mAlright, I did it. Check it out if you are interested:
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer#bundled-version
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Mat  wrote:
>>
>>> @Arlen,


>>> The bar to use TW is pretty high.
>>> From what I understand, TiddlyServer solves some basic needs.
>>> Therefore, the easier TiddlyServer would be to use the better,
>>> generally. The requirement to run npm is a turnoff, even for an experienced
>>> TW user (but not nodejs TW) like me.
>>>
>>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Birthe C]

Hi Arlen,
I am running Linux Mint Mate 32 bit and trying to follow you explanation, I 
get an error, something about a symlink missing.


Birthe


On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:01:14 AM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:mAlright, 
I did it. Check it out if you are interested: 
https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer#bundled-version
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Mat  
> wrote:
>
>> @Arlen,
>>>
>>>
>> The bar to use TW is pretty high. 
>> From what I understand, TiddlyServer solves some basic needs.
>> Therefore, the easier TiddlyServer would be to use the better, generally. 
>> The requirement to run npm is a turnoff, even for an experienced TW user 
>> (but not nodejs TW) like me.
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

Alright, I did it. Check it out if you are interested:
https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer#bundled-version

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>>
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Should TiddlyServer include TiddlyWiki and Node?

[Arlen Beiler]

Yes, I am a man :) Usually the woman's name (to my knowledge) has an extra
e at the end (i.e. Arlene).

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> Ciao Arlen
>
> Are you a man or a woman? :-)
>
> I been meaning to ask for a long time. "Arlen" in English sounds like you
> could be either.
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