I can't understand why the
default is to not to.
David Kirkby
David Kirkby wrote:
I have a Synergy GPS unit, which is fitted with a Motorola M12+
receiver. Even if there is no signal (even no antenna connected) the
1pps light flashes on the front and there is a 1pps signal at the
output
unless the 1pps is present, so it would seem to me the PRS10 would
benefit from no 1pps signal rather than the wrong one. But perhaps I am
wrong.
In the case of a 10811A via the Shera board, I am less sure.
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. Then the TI will be somewhere in the range 0 to 1 second, and
the jitter can be averaged out in software.
I'm basically confused, as I am sure you can tell.
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O time-nuts,
I realize that this subject was beaten to death here last week, but
here's a new twist.
This is a little missive from an astronomer on the delicate subject of
the divergence of UTC from UTx. It seems that those bastards in the
precision timing community want to abandon UTC's
in their
elapsed time calculations, and UTC will always be within a second of
MST if the Cs frequency is dithered every year as needed.
Is this an old idea?
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are missing), and the HP 5370B time interval
counter manual I scanned
http://www.g8wrb.org.uk/useful-stuff/time/HP-5370B/
will be on the Agilent site soon. I understand the HP 8970A noise figure
meter will be added at some point, which is the one I am looking for.
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Please
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kirkby writes:
Before buying any manual from eBay or equivalent, you should check if it
can be downloaded from the Agilent web site as they are getting added.
The HP 8970B noise figure meter was added a couple of weeks ago
about 5 emails around on the
subject. From what I gathered there, it is not used consistantly
throughout the world by the general public, with some countries
considering noon 12am, and others 12pm.
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is probably not too far off.
I don't think it is anything the list manager could do anything about.
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I think for the oscillator alone only a few months ago, so
getting a microwave counter for a couple of hundred $'s extra don't look
a bad deal.
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. It had a couple hundred Hertz
frequency response. Two of the sensors were destroyed in a rainstorm,
at $40 each for repair.
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ON THE PAGE, but don't ask me about
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privileges was probably misleading -- at the time I posted, I was
still figuring out how the access control worked.
So, if you'd like to register and have at it, feel free.
John
David Andersen wrote:
How about just letting it be editable by everyone, at least until it
becomes
Just spotted this. No bids starting at $199
http://cgi.ebay.com/C18418-HP-5370B-Universal-Time-Interval-Counter_W0QQitemZ7534725187QQcategoryZ25401QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Mike - I've spent a fair amount of time looking in to this as part of
my Internet testbed. At the moment, I have about 25 nodes using
EndRun's CDMA time receivers ($1k-ish each), so I've been very
interested in cheaper solutions, for obvious reasons.
I assume that the devices of which
David Andersen wrote:
Local stable crystal: Actually, you could make it more than stable
enough, but it would exceed your power requirements, because you'd
probably fall back to an oven controlled oscillator. There goes your
battery. But why did you try your initial experiments
in
voltage which means the clock runs slow.
But here at least, there is nothing very clever about how the time on
those clocks is kept. Which suits me, as sometimes I get electricity
cheap during the day now!
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you using a modern PC with the high-end
sound card, and an old PC with a cheap ISA card for the data collection.
There are free drivers for FreeBSD, linux and possibly Windoze, but I am
not sure about the latter.
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Alberto di Bene wrote:
David Kirkby wrote:
If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot,
then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a
lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are
better supported than other makes.
I have
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starting at $179 never got a single bid. I really can't understand why
nobody took such a wonderful oppotunity to own a card.
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of if you live
in
the 5345A counter which is less desirable and more common (and
cheaper).
So(at last) my question is:
Should I do this?
No. Buy a 5345A to cannibalize. They sell for under $50 on ebay.
Many thanks,
George Hrysanthopoulos, N2FGX
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http
At 7:06 AM +0200 9/13/05, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
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These EECL chips are indeed odd beasts. No data via Google; not in
the Motorola book from 1980; I'd guess that this is a completely
in-house logic family.
I don't think that conclusion
I have a problem with my old faithful standard, an HP 107BR. The
regulated voltages are zero, although the raw +46 is there. Anyone
have a power supply schematic I could set a copy of?
Well aged standard. It did better than 30 years service in our Paumalu
Hi Intelsat earth station before
detected the
zero crossing with an AD8561 fast comparator chip. This circuit is
tuned to 10 MHz.
Schematic here:
http://www.nixiebunny.com/FBEPP-A.pdf
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lot of chips, not the
jitter you would measure on a single output on a single chip.
What you are describing sounds more like the 700ps Device to Device Skew.
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David Kirkby wrote:
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard \(Ric
k\) Karlquist \(N6RK\) writes:
http://www.icst.com/datasheets/ics2305.pdf
ICS has many interesting clock chips which can be used for other
uses than what they were designed. Worth a browse
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
Just remember to stay well away from spread spectrum or disable
it if possible. It's a 50-75 kHz FM to make the computer sneak
under the EMI masks.
rant
Actually, it's a sneak to allow 15 to 20 dB greater EMI from the
typical PC. The motherboard makers provide a
be sufficient for that work, and a
simple PDF maker would handle the rest.
I await your suggestions.
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note on the 8970A noise figure meter
http://www.g8wrb.org.uk/data/HP/8970A-1.pdf
The manual for the meter is on the Agilent site.
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That is quite the nixie clock. A real labor of love.
It's interesting to note that he used none of the tube-saving tricks
that HP used in their nixie instruments. Another nixie clock builder
in the USA did use these tricks and ended up with a smaller, but not
as lovely, all-tube clock:
at 80 GHz and expect to need to
integrate photons for a week to see it.
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At 6:11 AM -0800 1/18/06, Tom Van Baak wrote:
Next, I really want one of David Forbes' CRT clocks! I sent Dave an
email asking if he's planning on making any more but I haven't heard
back. (you lurking here, Dave?) Anyone have one in good condition
he'd like to part with? Prefer
Poul,
Thanks for the informative reply. I guess the short answer is that we
should use a very clean long-term GPS trend record to correct the
PRS10 rather than the 1PPS from the GPS unit, which has horrible
short-term stability.
I believe that Tom VB mentioned once that a daily update to the
chip and an older type of Xilinx FPGA such as the Spartan
IIE. Both are available in quad flat packages, so you can solder them
with a regular iron. They work on 3.3V too.
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On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Paul Boven wrote:
Hi everyone,
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
You don't even need 32bits for that:
http://phk.freebsd.dk/pubs/timecounter.pdf
And doing it in hardware would be more expensive than in software,
hardware
access is much slower than memory
On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:37 PM, David Andersen wrote:
Paul's own experiments showed, a Soekris box with
^^^
Poul's. Apologies, my fingers got ahead of my brain.
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, and/or the fit to the ephemeris to be much
worse than usual.
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You'll get more than you expect -- the offset you're observing on
ADSL is very likely wrong, because the delays your packets experience
on adsl aren't symmetric. NTP assumes symmetry. So I wouldn't
actually believe that a 1ms offset is really 1ms off, depending on
the RTT to your ISP.
HP has a shipping exemption for their standards. I don't know what
one needs to do to take advantage of it. In the general case, you
can't ship caesium, but the HP stuff is - as noted - small and
sealed, and they jumped through the hoops.
-Dave
On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Bill
On Jun 30, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
From: Stephan Sandenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [time-nuts] Relationship of relative stability between
distant locations using GPS and environmental factors
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0200
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Hi,
diode
to multiply the reference to a frequency near that of the high
frequency being measured, then mix this multiplied ref with the
signal and run the difference frequency into the PLL.
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BUT, looking at the
5370A manual (I have got a PDF thanks to the work of David Kirkby G8WRB), it
seems that there are no less than FOUR gaps in the card array... please,
could
somebody confirm me this point?.
The manual I scanned
was for the 5370B, not the A. Are you sure you
second, resulting in two blinks per second. It's a bit
more work, but it gives better control of the display.
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At 7:18 PM -0700 7/21/06, Brooke Clarke wrote:
Hi David:
Yes, I like it.
Should Increment and Decrement work on the whole counter? for example
when changing minutes you can only increment or decrement the minutes
digit and the 10 minute digit follows?
Thanks Have Fun,
Brooke
Brooke,
I find
the
clock period.
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On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Glenn wrote:
Dave Andersen wrote:
1) They actually only need to be correct to within 10us,
according to
the spec.
I haven't read the spec, but I don't think it applies to the time
_display_. I'd also hazard a guess that the cell phone application
Folks,
We have a rubidium oscillator in a laboratory here that is ripe for
calibration against a primary standard. We have installed a Datum 9390
GPS receiver next to it as well as an SR620 counter.
Can any of you recommend a good operating mode to make the SR620 reveal
the rubidium drift
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David Armstrong wrote:
I have been lurking in the background for quite some time now, very
interested in what is going on. Now I have a reason to post ;-)
I have recently acquired an HP 105 B crystal oscillator and am looking
for a manual for the thing, can anyone help?
Regards
Dave
The 10811 is the newer SC cut crystal oscillator. The 10544 would be
the older AT cut oscillator.
At 09:43 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote:
I got an HP 5370A from eBay which did not work at power up (display was
messed up). After resetting all the ROMs and the CPU in their sockets,
the instrument came
:
http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/efratom/frk
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But it's perfectly harmless in a clock, right? Right?
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it work with what's there already.
I once designed some equipment for the phone company - one of their
special requirements was convection cooling. After a few cooling fan
wild-goose-chases, I can appreciate that.
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be disciplined to GPS
if desired by varying its supply voltage and/or rotating it relative
to gravity, which activities would certainly qualify one as
certifiable.
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At 10:30 PM -0600 12/10/06, Scott Newell wrote:
At 02:39 PM 12/10/2006 -0700, David Forbes wrote:
Jason,
I'm no expert at these devices, but here's what I've learned in the last
year:
The Ball/Efratom FRK is the oldest design that's commonly available.
Where does the M-100 fall, relative
from a 5245. It has a rectifier, video amp and decade
counter on it so the general function is pretty obvious.
I hope you mean a 5345, since the 5245 was a much older
transistorized instrument that had its own OCXO built into the frame,
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it directly to the antenna,
netting a 6 dB signal increase, to see if it gets happier.
Failing that, is there any diagnostic information presented by any of
your receivers that would tell if the signal strength to them had
changed recently?
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, but seems to get
by on 12V.
Because most powered antennas these days seem to be 5V, I modded the
Trak with a 78L05 in the antenna power circuit to match.
So, what you could have done is fried the port on your splitter with the
12V? Just a guess.
Regards,
David Smith.
P.S. Have you got any
complicated piece of hardware by the
time you're done. It's not a task for the timid.
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A discussion of driving computer clocks from accurate sources recently
came up. While it's true that PCs generally use the CPU clock or the
baud rate clock for the timekeeping function, the observation was made
that it might be nice to run a standard RTC that uses a 32768 Hz crystal
from a 10
At 3:46 PM + 12/21/06, Peter Vince wrote:
David Forbes recently mentioned the Wikipedia item on dual-modulus
prescalers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-modulus_prescaler
I have looked at that article, and either my brain has slipped out of
gear, or there are some errors in both
Hello,
I believe Tom
http://www.leapsecond.com/ __
has a manual on his site. I'm on my PDA just now so will not look myself, but
I'm sure you can find it there.
Dave
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protracted begging.
I was more thinking (PC) application software. I've seen mention of
TrakGPS, but a web search turns up, I suspect, a different product.
Do you have any suggestions on how it might be set up as a time ref on a
network?
Regards,
David Smith
stil
haven't tossed my 2 year old broken DVD player that needs a new motor
worth a dollar but unavailable due to planned obsolescence. Shame on
you, Toshiba!
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Tom Van Baak (mobile) wrote:
But one easy way to do it today is start with a $5 standard
quartz clock display. 1) Either run a precise synthesized
32 kHz signal into it (replacing the xtal), or drive the little
bipolar stepper yourself.
A 50 millisecond +1.5 VDC pulse is all you need;
http://www.opencollector.org/hardlicense/
On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:51 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote:
Hi all --
For the last several months, I've been working, as a TAPR project, to
develop an open-source-like license for hardware projects. We've
recently posted a 0.9 version for public
noticed that all announcements
regarding their relicensing have been discontinued. (RJN)
David
At 05:07 PM 3/3/2007, you wrote:
The NRC web site still shows the October 2006 announcement about
the April 1
deadline.
[1]http://inms-ienm.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/time_services
Mike Fahmie wrote:
2006 FMT results have appeared at:
http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/fmt/2006/2006-fmt-results.html
-Mike-
Mike,
Hi. That's quite a rack of boat anchors you have there.
Do you have a manual for the Beckman WWV receiver? I have one of these
receivers, but it's not working on
Merci bien, Normand!
David
At 09:36 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote:
Hi...
I've just got this message (in french) about CHU
Canada @ 7.335 MHz:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bonjour Normand,
Merci pour votre support de CHU.
Nous avons eu la permission du CRTC de renouveler
,
otherwise at 24V. For a non-super-critical application, this should
be sufficient. The frequency error as a result of the voltage change
is documented in the Rb source datasheet, I would hope.
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Hi all,
I have a run-of-the-mill frequency counter (8 digits, 0.1 and 1.0 sec gate,
no reference oscillator output or ext. input) and would like to upgrade to
something better. I would initially like to measure frequencies in the 10
MHz or below range with a resolution of better than 0.1 Hz.
From
some clockmaking stuff you don't usually get from
HP.
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Selectric Typewriter Museum that was
used as the expert source in the 2004 Bush memo scandal. All this
typewriter font stuff is blindingly obvious if you look closely at
the characters typed on the page.
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I've heard this discussed a few times, and the idea of using diodes to
regulate this way makes me very queasy.
Why would a real 3.3V regulator not be used?
If the new chip requires 3.3 vdc and there aren't 3 diodes on the board to drop
the 5 vdc down,
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. . . the
sagacontinues
But surely it doesn't matter David? There is nothing critical in
there, it's just a display. As long as the voltage is within the
processor's operating window, that is surely good enough?
Peter
On 7 July 2011 15:48, David VanHorn d.vanh...@elec-solutions.com wrote:
Vf is highly
. ..the
sagacontinues
So David,
Does that mean you are going to layout a proper new board for all of us ?
As I am sure you are aware, the original procesor does not appear to be
available so that would mean a new design using a current or cutting edge cpu
version. Of course the new unit would have
So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :)
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Holmes [thol...@woh.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:17 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May
Apols for hijacking the topic, but does anyone have info on another
Nixie based frequency counter? It's a Venner TSA6636/2M and uses early
Fairchild Micrologic ICs, it's rather ill at the moment, so any info
would be gratefully received.
Fingers crossed and thanks in advance!
David, G4IRQ
I agree on DST, I was very disappointed when Indiana joined the lemmings.
I'd take it one more step, and eliminate time zones. Everyone operates on
UTC(x) So you get to work at 2100, and work till 0500.. I know my mom is up
till 0700.
No matter where you are, you know what time it is, and
I would love to find one like this that takes a 10 MHz ext ref, and will count
16 MHz to at least 1 Hz.
I need two of those today.
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Chris Albertson [albertson.ch...@gmail.com]
Shades of LDE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_delayed_echo
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony G. Atkielski [anth...@atkielski.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:09 AM
To: Discussion of precise
Hi,
I'm brand new to the time-nut odessy thing so please bear with me. ;-)
I'm in the market to buy a used Thunderbolt, I have found a vendor that's
selling used Thunderbolt receivers and states one can have the choice of
PCB
revisions A, B or E.
Does anyone have any specific info or
Potentially dangerous URL
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Robert Atkinson [robert8...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:29 AM
To: gree...@ntlworld.com; mur...@cts.com; greenw...@matchtech.com;
Hello,
Anybody know the gain of this antenna?
IMHO, Google is about useless when all search hits leads back to a E-Bay
seller,
there should be a way to stop this gaming of the search engine. Ideas?
Thank,
Dave
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certainly struck a nerve.
BTW, anyone know the gain of Motorola RLN-4394A GPS antenna?
Regards,
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Moving it up to the roof would be difficult. Would have to talk to all
neighbours to ask permission to run a cable to the roof. I'll have to keep
it at this location.
Although we own our building, for other reasons I was under similar
constraints. I put our antennas as high as possible in a
Also, can you really trust Google Earth as an authoritative source?
I'm not sure.An interesting test would be to go find a USGS
benchmark or a section marker near you then enter it's location into
Google. See if Google hits the marker.
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For what it's worth, my Thunderbolts here did a
10.24 MHz is used in cable modem systems both North American and Europe
DOCSIS specs from cablelabs specify the downstream symbol rates. For NA
there are two symbol rates 401/812 * 10.24 MHz and 78/149*10.24 MHz.
For everyone else 869/1280*10.24 MHz.
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:28 +0200,
Fun to guess. Time must be running backwards. Or maybe they have
negative mass. If truly faster than C, SOMETHING nonsensical must be
true.
Indeed.. How would they know where to have been tomorrow?
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We use this instrument, as do both of our compliance labs. The 8566 is a very
nice piece of gear for EMI/EMC applications.
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of
Brooke Clarke [bro...@pacific.net]
Sent: Monday,
So they are deploying LightSquared? :)
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of
David J Taylor [david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:25 AM
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Subject: [time-nuts] OT
My first thought was to use a bunch of tvb's picPETs backwards. :) Feed
them all the same PPS and clock each one with one of the clocks you want to
test. But that requires a serial port per XO. Maybe you have an old
many-input serial box in the junk bin, but I'm always short of them.
I use
No, I haven't done this, but I realized this after fiddling around with
supplies and verified the ideas with a friend of mine designing supplies
all the time. He also pointed out that many switch supplies tend to run
better when the supply voltage is on the low side of things.
Better?
Lower
My Lava Lamps will be ok, if I can still get resistors. :)
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