Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-06 Thread Stratmangler


jezbo wrote: 
> Anyone running Touch as an LMS Server? Is it recommended?
Don't go there.
It is not recommended.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-05 Thread jezbo


Thanks guys, ditched that plan.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-05 Thread bpa


Touch runs a cut down LMS as a server to fit memory and processor power.

So no plugin, no web UI and if you plan to serveryour 4xSB3s and 3xSBBs
from Touch - I wouldn't try it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-05 Thread kidstypike


jezbo wrote: 
> Anyone running Touch as an LMS Server? Is it recommended? My NAS drive
> running VortexBox is not fanless so is noisy, I'm considering attaching
> a USB drive to the Touch as an alternative.
> 
> If people are doing this, can you recommend an external 2TB USB drive
> that can silently stay on 24/7 ?
> 
> Will I have issues if the Touch is wireless or should I arrange a LAN
> connection ?

The Touch as a server is possibly OK with an attached USB stick or SD
card with a very small library. (Try it).

Attaching a 2TB drive with even a moderate size library will end in
tears, the Touch doesn't have the guts, constantly crashing and then
needs to re-scan the music files which can take hours, you wouldn't be
able to play music during the scan.

You have been advised elsewhere to run LMS on a Raspberry Pi, I would
second that, superb!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-05 Thread jezbo


Just saw this here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server

"Currently, there are no concrete recommendations regarding the maximum
number of tracks in the music library supported by the Squeezebox Server
built-in for Touch. However, a general rule of thumb is that a music
library containing over 10,000 tracks should use Squeezebox Server
running on a PC or Mac. It might work on the Touch, but performance
could be less than desirable."

I guess as my database has about 80,000 tracks running LMS on the Touch
will be a non-starter.



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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server?

2020-07-05 Thread jezbo


Anyone running Touch as an LMS Server? Is it recommended? My NAS drive
running VortexBox is not fanless so is noisy, I'm considering attaching
a USB drive to the Touch as an alternative.

If people are doing this, can you recommend an external 2TB USB drive
that can silently stay on 24/7 ?

Will I have issues if the Touch is wireless or should I arrange a LAN
connection ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-15 Thread Redrum


Paul Webster wrote: 
> RP (Radio Paradise) in particular lists lots of stream URLs at
> https://radioparadise.com/listen/stream-links
> 
> The Radio menu in LMS comes from TuneIn (tunin.com) - not to be confused
> with Tune-In (in Germany - who provide a similar service to some
> non-Squeezebox internet radio hardware devices).
> 
> From a regular LMS (don't know about TinyLMS) you can go to the More
> Info item for a playing stream and see the other stream URLs that TuneIn
> knows about.

Thanks Paul, I know the URL's, got them from RP's site, but the
challenge (i.e. what I don't know how, or if it's possible) is how to
enter a URL as a favorite in TinyLMS. With LMS I can do it from control
panel, with mysb.com I can do it at the website.

Thanks for letting me "Radio"'s source, good to know.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-15 Thread Paul Webster


RP (Radio Paradise) in particular lists lots of stream URLs at
https://radioparadise.com/listen/stream-links

The Radio menu in LMS comes from TuneIn (tunin.com) - not to be confused
with Tune-In (in Germany - who provide a similar service to some
non-Squeezebox internet radio hardware devices).

>From a regular LMS (don't know about TinyLMS) you can go to the More
Info item for a playing stream and see the other stream URLs that TuneIn
knows about.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-15 Thread Redrum


Everyone, thanks for your help. I went to my friend's and we setup the
touch with tinylms last night. It went well, I think this is really
going to work for him. I do appreciate the guidance. 

One remaining thing is porting the favorites from mysqueezebox.com to
tinyLMS. We plan on doing it the manual way (in lms find the station,
then add it), but I am wondering if anything can be done for those that
can't be found, in terms of somehow manually adding a url?

For example, the RP 320kbps streams, I know that the main mix can be
obtained via "Radio"->"Search" but I'd like to add the other streams,
and as expected, I can't find them in "Radio", and there is no RP plugin
for TinyLMS.

Any thoughts? Where is "Radio" pulled from?

I hate to be a bother, especially since tiny is in everyone's tail
lights (legacy).  If it's not possible, that's fine. When he goes to
"favorites" in tinyLMS, there is an option to switch to favorites in
mysb.com. Simple enough, but I thought I would check before we call it
done.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-14 Thread Redrum


kidstypike wrote: 
> Using TinyLMS, why not > Radio > Search > enter radio station name > "+"
> button on remote (or long press station name on Touch) > Save to
> Favourites.
> 
> May take some time, but is infallible.
> 

Thanks, the brute force way, but I am unsure what "Radio" pulls from and
if any and all of the stations he under mysb.com would be there. Some I
added to mysb.com via a url (e.g. the 320kbps Radio paradise - Normal,
Mellow, Rock, Eclectic).

I tried the switch to mysb.com, play favorite, go back to LMS, and the
service switch wipes "now playing" (i.e - switch back to lms, now
playing is the previous now playing LMS).

So, I guess it comes down to this:

1) Is there a way to enter a url radio stream in tinyLMS?
2) Is there a way to manipulate favorites.opml from LMS to TinyLMS? (AB,
I did not try SSH, I can, but have never done it, and would need to load
sw to try it)
3) Just stay with mysb.com for some of his favorites (i.e. the ones that
"radio" or "tune in" or... cannot locate)

Unless there is a break through I will try to add as many mysb favorites
to touch favorites as I can, and he will have to go to mysb.com for
those I cannot find through radio or other.

Please understand I am not trying to push TinyLMS into what it is not. I
know it's limited. I am using regular LMS. I am not asking the community
for more than it is, rather "what is it, what can it do?".  It's for my
(non technical and short attention span) friend, Touch with a USB stick
is such a perfect solution, essentially, the USB stick has the music
library. The touch with a USB drive is a "self contained" player of
internet radio and music files. He doesn't have to grasp "server and
player". We were there and he struggled with it.

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts...
Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-14 Thread kidstypike


Redrum wrote: 
> I think right now because he has all of his internet radio station
> favorites in his mysb.com account. That's one of the reasons that I am
> interested in porting the contents of my favorites.opml to tinyLMS. Most
> of his favorites I suggested, or we found together, and I have all of
> them in my picore LMS as well. , so if I could get either my
> favorites.opml or his mysb.com favorites into tiny LMS, we would no
> longer need mysb.com
> 
> I am not sure (haven't tried) if we can select/play a favorite in
> mysb.com, switch to LMS, and add it as a favorite in LMS. I could try
> that and port them individually if that works.
> 
> Jim

Using TinyLMS, why not > Radio > Search > enter radio station name > "+"
button on remote (or long hold station name on Touch) > Save to
Favourites.

May take some time, but is infallible.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-14 Thread Redrum


mherger wrote: 
> > Also, I am not sure if tiny LMS is still being maintained, but I think
> I
> 
> I'm sorry, it's no longer being maintained.
> 
> > found a tiny insignificant bug - I added "switch to mysqeezebox.com"
> to
> 
> Why would you switch to mysb?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
I think right now because he has all of his internet radio station
favorites in his mysb.com account. That's one of the reasons that I am
interested in porting the contents of my favorites.opml to tinyLMS. Most
of his favorites I suggested, or we found together, and I have all of
them in my picore LMS as well. , so if I could get either my
favorites.opml or his mysb.com favorites into tiny LMS, we would no
longer need mysb.com

I am not sure (haven't tried) if we can select/play a favorite in
mysb.com, switch to LMS, and add it as a favorite in LMS. I could try
that and port them individually if that works.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread Michael Herger

Also, I am not sure if tiny LMS is still being maintained, but I think I


I'm sorry, it's no longer being maintained.


found a tiny insignificant bug - I added "switch to mysqeezebox.com" to


Why would you switch to mysb?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread Apesbrain


Redrum wrote: 
> Can anyone comment on my question above regarding tinyLMS favorites?
I don't know if TinySC supports player favorites (i.e. favorites.opml)
in the same way as LMS, but if it does the opml file must be on the
Touch.  To replace it, you'd need to SSH into the Touch and copy it
over.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread Redrum


Redrum wrote: 
> thanks, read the thread, and agree. I'll have him remove the usb stick
> to add music, which will be very infrequently.
> 
> The other thing with TinySC (sorry) is favorites. I know with normal LMS
> there is a favorites.opml file that I can backup/copy over, even edit,
> but I don't see anything in the squeezebox folder on the TinySC USB/SD.
> I was hoping maybe to copy over my favorites.opml (which are an
> organized structure of radio stations) for his use. It also got me
> thinking of how, with TinySC, you can organize favorites, add folders,
> etc. With full LMS I would go into the LMS control/configuration page on
> the server's ip address. Is there something similar for tinysc or, is it
> limited in terms of favorites? Similar to mysb.com (can add to as list
> and that's all)?
> 
> Jim

I would like to try to bring this thread back on subject. Can anyone
comment on my question above regarding tinyLMS favorites? I have played
around quite a bit and only see the ability to add them through the UI,
and in a list only. If that's the way it is, that's ok, just curious.

Also, I am not sure if tiny LMS is still being maintained, but I think I
found a tiny insignificant bug - I added "switch to mysqeezebox.com" to
the home menu (convenience for my friend), and moved it's position on
the home menu. As with the current version of my LMS (PiCore) if you
select it, the menu item disappears (as expected). However, with
tinyLMS, if you go back to LMS (say by choosing "my music"), when you
return to the home menu, when the "switch to" menu item comes back, it
is positioned under my music in the list. It moves I tested it on my LMS
and this "movement" of the menu item does not happen, it reappears in
whatever position it is moved to.

Like I said, insignificant, but I thought I would mention it in case
someone is still maintaining it.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread bpa


tongkhor wrote: 
> FFmpeg version is 4.1.4

It worries me that you don't know how your installed PlayHLS.

URL should play with that ffmpeg version and Play HLS 1.1 - is the
plugin installed correctly ?  Check WebUI / Setting / Advanced/
FileTypes  - what are the HLS settings ?

What version is yoru LMS and IO::Socket::SSL ( find in WebUI
Setting/Information )



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread Man in a van


tongkhor wrote: 
> How do i uninstall PlayHLS v1? I have unzipped the PlayHLS2.2 into
> PlayHLS folder. How to add this into third party plugin?

Just add the url to the repo box at the bottom of the Settings > Plugins
page.

Click Apply and then scroll to the bottom of the page, tick box, click
Apply.

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103158-Announce-PlayHLS-Plugin-plugin-to-play-Apple-HLS-m3u8-stream=944361=1#post944361



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-13 Thread slartibartfast


tongkhor wrote: 
> How do i uninstall PlayHLS v1? I have unzipped the PlayHLS2.2 into
> PlayHLS folder. How to add this into third party plugin?From the plugin tab 
> in LMS settings. Just untick the box and restart
LMS. You also install version 2 in this tab so no need to unzip anything
manually.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-12 Thread tongkhor


FFmpeg version is 4.1.4



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-12 Thread tongkhor


How do i uninstall PlayHLS v1? I have unzipped the PlayHLS2.2 into
PlayHLS folder. How to add this into third party plugin?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-12 Thread tongkhor


Thank you Slartibarfast and bpa. I will try your suggestions.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread Redrum


Paul Webster wrote: 
> Old post about it here
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?81749-Copy-files-over-network-to-Touch-USB-SD
> 
> However, it might make it less stable (less memory spare to do things
> like play music)

thanks, read the thread, and agree. I'll have him remove the usb stick
to add music, which will be very infrequently.

The other thing with TinySC (sorry) is favorites. I know with normal LMS
there is a favorites.opml file that I can backup/copy over, even edit,
but I don't see anything in the squeezebox folder on the TinySC USB/SD.
I was hoping maybe to copy over my favorites.opml (which are an
organized structure of radio stations) for his use. It also got me
thinking of how, with TinySC, you can organize favorites, add folders,
etc. With full LMS I would go into the LMS control/configuration page on
the server's ip address. Is there something similar for tinysc or, is it
limited in terms of favorites? Similar to mysb.com (can add to as list
and that's all)?

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread Paul Webster


Redrum wrote: 
> 
> One thing I was looking for, haven't found via search yet, I saw a
> reference to samba transfer of files to the sd/usb on the touch, but I
> haven't yet found how to initiate it on the touch side of things. It
> would be nice if he could add new music via samba rather than
> unplug/plug.
> 
> Jim

Old post about it here
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?81749-Copy-files-over-network-to-Touch-USB-SD

However, it might make it less stable (less memory spare to do things
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread Redrum


kidstypike wrote: 
> Yes, you have it about right.
> 
> However I wouldn't get too exited about it, the Touch's server is ok if
> you give a player a track or an album to play and let it get on with it.
> If you start flicking through the menus, starting & stopping tracks,
> ect., the server will eventually crash, and you will need to re-scan the
> library, not a very good UX.
> 
> OTOH, (not sure why I'm typing this), but did you know that any of the
> Squeezeboxes on your local network can play the music files on the
> Touch's attached USB/SD card.
> 
> On the Touch running the server, browse to "Choose player" > select a
> player, go to "My Music" > "Switch Library" > select "Touch USB".
> 
> 28322
> 
> 28323

thanks for the confirm on power, and the crash warning. Yea, I realize
it's not ideal, but if you go back to my first post, its for a friend
who has simple expectations, and has a difficult time grasping what is
going on behind the scenes (i.e. "why do I need my laptop on?" - to run
LMS). I had thought of building hime a picore with a usb HDD as a server
(what I an using), but I feared him having to do anything through the ip
address configuration screens, and why not save a couple $. It seems
with tinysc/touch, anything I have to talk him through over the phone
will be exclusively on the touch.

If it does crash, even if he trashes the sd/usb, he can listen to
mysb.com until we get things fixed. I'll have him keep a backup image of
the usb on his pc.

He has been enjoying SB exclusively with mysb.com, and now we want to
add his music library, so we'll see how it goes. I do appreciate the
note that you can access the sd/usb with other players, but this will be
one player only.

One thing I was looking for, haven't found via search yet, I saw a
reference to samba transfer of files to the sd/usb on the touch, but I
haven't yet found how to initiate it on the touch side of things. It
would be nice if he could add new music via samba rather than
unplug/plug.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread kidstypike


Redrum wrote: 
> I have been playing around with this, and it seems like adding a usb
> stick (128GB) to the touch will be perfect for my friend. It really is
> quite cool to discover something new on a device that is already so cool
> :D
> 
> The one question I have, and am concerned with (because he is non
> techie) is the mount/dismount and power up/down.
> 
> I understand the need to dismount, but am unclear as to what power up
> and down mean (as defined in the wiki). I assume that it means
> disconnecting and reconnecting power to the unit, and not the power
> button on the touch (that brings on the "power off" screensaver)?
> 
> This assumption means you can operate the touch continuously and power
> it on and off through the touchscreen. But, if you need to unplug it for
> whatever reason - unmount the sd/usb first. Then when you repower, mount
> the usb, and start the lms.
> 
> Also, for him to add music, it would be:
> 1) Unmount USB,
> 2) Take USB to his PC to add music
> 3) Plug USB back in, follow prompts to mount.
> 4) Start LMS, rescan initiates.
> 
> Do I have this right?
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS - I have to admit something embarassing. I own and use 3 touches for
> years, and am prepping this fourth for my friend. I never knew there was
> a SD slot on the side. I guess I never needed to know...:o

Yes, you have it about right.

However I wouldn't get too exited about it, the Touch's server is ok if
you give a player a track or an album to play and let it get on with it.
If you start flicking through the menus, starting & stopping tracks,
ect., the server will eventually crash, and you will need to re-scan the
library, not a very good UX.

OTOH, (not sure why I'm typing this), but did you know that any of the
Squeezeboxes on your local network can play the music files on the
Touch's attached USB/SD card.

On the Touch running the server, browse to "Choose player" > select a
player, go to "My Music" > "Switch Library" > select "Touch USB".

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread Redrum


I have been playing around with this, and it seems like adding a usb
stick (128GB) to the touch will be perfect for my friend. It really is
quite cool to discover something new on a device that is already so cool
:D

The one question I have, and am concerned with (because he is non
techie) is the mount/dismount and power up/down.

I understand the need to dismount, but am unclear as to what power up
and down mean (as defined in the wiki). I assume that it means
disconnecting and reconnecting power to the unit, and not the power
button on the touch (that brings on the "power off" screensaver)?

This assumption means you can operate the touch continuously and power
it on and off through the touchscreen. But, if you need to unplug it for
whatever reason - unmount the sd/usb first. Then when you repower, mount
the usb, and start the lms.

Also, for him to add music, it would be:
1) Unmount USB,
2) Take USB to his PC to add music
3) Plug USB back in, follow prompts to mount.
4) Start LMS, rescan initiates.

Do I have this right?

Jim

PS - I have to admit something embarassing. I own and use 3 touches for
years, and am prepping this fourth for my friend. I never knew there was
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread bpa


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Off topic but your URL works for me using the plugin PlayHLS v2.2.
> Uninstall your version and try that. You probably need to add this repo.

It should also work with PlayHLS v1.1  - I think there may be some other
issue involved.  Perhaps check version of IO::Socket::SSL and version of
ffmpeg.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-11 Thread slartibartfast


tongkhor wrote: 
> I listen to internet radio stations worldwide everyday on my Logitech
> Squeezebox touch (firmware 7.8.0-R16754) connected to LMS 7.9.2 on i-Mac
> OS10.5. I enter all radio stations URL in my favourite. All works
> perfectly except this URL
> https://aifmmobile.secureswiftcontent.com/memorystreams/HLS/rtm-ch020/rtm-ch020-96000.m3u8.
> This is a radio station from Malaysia. I keep getting error -"No items
> found in playlist" after fetching track details...this URL works in VLC
> player.
> The LMS has HLS(v1.1) plugin installed and file type -ffmpeg selected.
> Can someone help please. Thank you.

Off topic but your URL works for me using the plugin PlayHLS v2.2.
Uninstall your version and try that. You probably need to add this repo.

http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/repo-playhls-v2-beta.xml

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Herger

I listen to internet radio stations worldwide everyday on my Logitech
Squeezebox touch (firmware 7.8.0-R16754) connected to LMS 7.9.2 on i-Mac
OS10.5. I enter all radio stations URL in my favourite. All works
perfectly except this URL


Totally off-topic.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread tongkhor


I listen to internet radio stations worldwide everyday on my Logitech
Squeezebox touch (firmware 7.8.0-R16754) connected to LMS 7.9.2 on i-Mac
OS10.5. I enter all radio stations URL in my favourite. All works
perfectly except this URL
https://aifmmobile.secureswiftcontent.com/memorystreams/HLS/rtm-ch020/rtm-ch020-96000.m3u8.
This is a radio station from Malaysia. I keep getting error -"No items
found in playlist" after fetching track details...
The LMS has HLS(v1.1) plugin installed and file type -ffmpeg selected.
Can someone help please. Thank you.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Redrum


I just put one together, now I know what the interface is, that is an
add on" to the standard menu system. I should have put it together
before I asked, sorry.

I'll play with it but so far, looks like it might be a good "simple all
in one solution" for him.

Thanks for your help!

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Herger

Michael, to clarify, mysb won't be available, or is it that it wont
solve the https issue?


It won't solve the https issue.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Redrum


sounds like fun, I will give it a try on one of my touch's first.

Michael, to clarify, mysb won't be available, or is it that it wont
solve the https issue? I ask mostly out of unfamiliarity of the touch
servver interface when compared to lms or msb (e.g. favorites, etc).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Herger

Curious, with touch as a server, would the option to switch to mysb.com
still be available on the menus? This would address the https streaming.


No, it would not, as mysb can't stream those either.


Rescan is not an issue, but the "random crashes" are concerning to me
(my friends inability to tolerate, restart things). Do they "just
happen" or is it when you try to do too much?


I think it's just too low on memory. Anything that increases memory 
usage can be risky. Using the image screen saver is a safe way to kill 
TinyLMS. Or larger libraries. Or probably just messing around.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Redrum


mherger wrote: 
> > Try it.  A 32GB SD card or 64GB flash drive costs under $10 so not
> much
> > to lose.  The biggest issue with "Tiny SC" is speed (library rescans,
> in
> > particular), but it may be adequate for your friend particularly if
> the
> > card/drive is updated infrequently.
> 
> Besides speed and random crashes due to running out of memory I'm seeing
> 
> one more important issue (compared to LMS on a different system, not 
> mysb): more and more music services and radio stations require https 
> streaming. The Touch can't handle this.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Curious, with touch as a server, would the option to switch to mysb.com
still be available on the menus? This would address the https streaming.
Similar to switching between mysb and lms.

Rescan is not an issue, but the "random crashes" are concerning to me
(my friends inability to tolerate, restart things). Do they "just
happen" or is it when you try to do too much?

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Michael Herger

Try it.  A 32GB SD card or 64GB flash drive costs under $10 so not much
to lose.  The biggest issue with "Tiny SC" is speed (library rescans, in
particular), but it may be adequate for your friend particularly if the
card/drive is updated infrequently.


Besides speed and random crashes due to running out of memory I'm seeing 
one more important issue (compared to LMS on a different system, not 
mysb): more and more music services and radio stations require https 
streaming. The Touch can't handle this.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Apesbrain


Try it.  A 32GB SD card or 64GB flash drive costs under $10 so not much
to lose.  The biggest issue with "Tiny SC" is speed (library rescans, in
particular), but it may be adequate for your friend particularly if the
card/drive is updated infrequently.

The steps required to do this are not that difficult so you should be
able to walk your friend through it remotely.



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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server?

2019-10-10 Thread Redrum


I have been working on a sb setup for a friend who is not only not
techie, he can react poorly to anything complicated or things not
working as expected. Combine that with distance and infrequent short
visits, its been a challenge.

We went through a few iterations of extra players I had on hand (duet,
radio), and have now settled on a touch as his best solution for a
number of reasons (visibility primarily)

We have him listening to internet radio, pandora, etc on mysb.com. I
installed LMS on his laptop, but he is yet to grasp the
differences/advantage of lms over mysb.com, and often his laptop isn't
on, or around, and this causes confusion.

He wants to add his digital music, and I had planned on helping him add
it to lms on his PC, but since he doesn't really understand why lms is
there, I had been thinking maybe my best route would be to build him a
picore server with a USB HDD (my current setup). So he would have a
"thingie" plugged into his router, and his player would work.

But, then I stumbled across this - touch as a server:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server

My question - is this still a legitimate an up to date method of
providing him with an "all in one" server/player? I ask because
sometimes wiki articles can be old and irrelevant, and sb's are ever
evolving... Before I go about giving it a try I thought I would ask.

Basically, if I haven't made myself clear in my ramble above, I am
looking to give him a self contained system, even if its limited (i.e.
doesn't have the full features of lms, plugins, etc). He is happy with
internet radio and pandora, and I think he would be happy with just
playing his library, random mix, etc.


Oh, one other thing, the touch would need to be on wifi. Not sure if
there is an ethernet requirement.

Thoughts?
Jim



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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch standalone v Server setup

2011-12-03 Thread tank121

I've been running the Touch in stand alone mode since launch and not had
any major issues apart from software releases.

Stand alone mode

Pros - cost
Convenience
Power consumption
Same sound quality as running server setup

Cons - Doesn't fully support Sounchecks mods
Doesn't fully support plugins
Can't play the highest resolution tracks

Server setup (pcnas etc)

Pros - Speed of scan
Numerous plug ins
Souncheck mods

Cons - Cost
Possible Power consumption


Can people please add to the two lists.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch standalone v Server setup

2011-12-03 Thread toby10

Standalone = no plugins at all

Higher resolution (beyond 24/96) is because the Touch's built in server
cannot transcode at all, including higher resolution to lower
resolution.

Addl cons:
slow scans
can't turn off unnecessary scans (turn of HDD)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch standalone v Server setup

2011-12-03 Thread tank121

Do you need any more formats though in addition to flac ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch standalone v Server setup

2011-12-03 Thread Mnyb

and a web interface and much snapier reaction on pad and phone apps .
the web Ui can be nice to acess from any PC in the house .

and playlist bigger than 100 tracks ( more makes the Touch go belly up
).

And ofloading it the server duties would make a difference and also
faster to add new tracks samba to touch is slow, if you have a
powerfull server the system maynbe fully usable while scanning in new
stuff !

transcoding becommes important when you have more than one squeezbox
and some of them does not support hirez tracks.
Or if you listen to some AAC radio and have a boom or SB3

Btw imo if a site offers both 24/96 and 24/192 buy 24/96 it's cheaper
and humanly impossible to hear any difference and Touch supports it wo
transcoding by a server.
Unless ( I would not be surprised at al ) all the avaible downloads are
from different masters so that you can hear the difference ;) go for the
format with the best master it's more important than the container be it
cassete tape or hirez download.

like most dual releases DVDA/CD SACD/CD they where almost never the
same master, gosh the costummer must be able to hear the difference he
paid for ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread carib

I agree, the Squeezebox Radio and the Touch complement each other
perfectly.  I have this exact setup and I'm thrilled when I can run
same or different streams of music around the house at the same time.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread mark25

Also a few question about Touch an HD:

Is it necessary to let the power on for the harddisk?
Or can you switch it off every evening.
What happens when you want to play your music on the touch and you 
are forgotten to switch the harddisk on?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread iPhone

mark25;566561 Wrote: 
 Also a few question about Touch an HD:
 
 Is it necessary to let the power on for the harddisk?
 Or can you switch it off every evening.
 What happens when you want to play your music on the touch and you 
 are forgotten to switch the harddisk on?

No Music unless you switch to MySB.com for an Internet Stream. If one
is running TinySC and the HD is off there is no access to local
files/music.

I don't like the current behavior of when a HD goes to sleep or is
powered down with TinySC still running. And since one can't do anything
anyway, my suggestion is if one is going to save the few watts of
letting the HD sleep or be turned off, one might as well Eject the USB
Drive and unplug the Touch also.

When using TinySC, I just let the HD and Touch stay running. We are
talking less then 9 Watts for a Touch and USB powered USB Drive.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread iPhone

mdm;566568 Wrote: 
 Well, I use Touch to stream from HD about twice a week, so I shutdown
 tinySC, eject HD and power it off every time. What's wrong with that?
 
 Mike.

Wasn't that my suggestion if one doesn't want to use the less then 9
Watts by leaving it running, one might as well Eject the USB Drive and
unplug the Touch also? I guess from where I sit the 9 Watts is
basically nothing in the grand scheme of things and it is my opinion
that powering down and powering up (and the scanning that goes along
with that) is harder on the drive then just leaving it running 24/7 in
a stable state. Just my opinion YMMV.

The part I was talking about being unhappy with is how TinySC deals
with USB Drives that like to sleep, spin down, or are external powered
and power is removed and/or reapplied. That's all I was saying. Sorry
if that wasn't clear. I have no problem with ejecting the USb HD and
powering off every time in general. Its just that I use my Touch so
much, I feel its unnecessary wear and tear on the USB HD.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread carib

I use the Touch with attached HDD mostly on weekends and holidays so I
eject the HDD but leave the Touch running on mysqueezebox.com to listen
to internet radio.  Once its attached I usually leave it connected for a
few days.

To re-attach the drive I first start TinySC and when it asks for a USB
or SD card I attach the drive.  Re-scan doesn't take very long after
the initial full scan.  Sometimes it's a hit and miss situation, at
times I have to reboot the Touch before re-attaching the drive.  It
just takes a little patience but it works for me.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-04 Thread mdm

carib;566575 Wrote: 
 I use the Touch with attached HDD mostly on weekends and holidays so I
 eject the HDD but leave the Touch running on mysqueezebox.com to listen
 to internet radio. 

Yeah, I do the same, use the Touch as a radio most of the time and
sometimes play from HD.
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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-03 Thread Waldo Pepper

I am currently loathed to have a PC running 24/7 (at the moment) to be
used as a server, however...

I am about to purchase a Squeezebox Radio and have a few questions.
I have a Touch and it uses a USB disk with all my music on it. I use it
for streaming Internet radio to my HiFi too.

1) Am I correct in assuming a SB radio can use the Internet to stream
possibly different radio stations to those my Touch maybe using in
another room via my router at the same time?

2) Is there anyway to get the touch to act as a music server for itself
and the SB radio.

TIA


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a server

2010-08-03 Thread toby10

1.  Yes, using either MySB.com or Touch's built in server
2.  Yes, just point the Radio to the Touch from Radio  My Music 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread fragfutter

converting between different encodings on the fly, so that Clients can
play stuff they don't support natively (because of exceeding bitrates,
missing hardware support, missing cpu power to do it in software...).
Actually i have no idea which formats are supported on the different
Squeezeboxes (i only use MP3 and Ogg), so the next example may be
wrong.

Internet Radiostream as Realaudio - Squeezebox Server - transcode -
MP3 Stream - Squeezebox Classic


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread realmassy

So we don't know whether FLACs (which I'm using) will need to be
transcoded.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread Aurumer

All Squeezeboxes can play FLAC natively. No transcoding required.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread realmassy

Great, thanks.
The only limitation I can see of using the tiny server is the lacking
of the web interface, which I only use to configure some advanced
settings. 
As long as you can configure those settings in a different way (using
the controller, via ssh etc etc) the Touch could work for me. 
The Sheevaplug is great, but is hard wired to the router, which is not
connected to the Internet (basically I've a dedicated network) and so I
can't stream radios, or even run the software update.
Now with the Touch, I'd plug my drive into the USB input, and I could
connect it using Wi-Fi to the broadband router. No dedicated router, no
Sheevaplug... Am I missing something?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread aubuti

Aurumer;514012 Wrote: 
 All Squeezeboxes can play FLAC natively.
Except for the SliMP3 and SB1, which are not supported on TinySBS for
other reasons.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread realmassy

JJZolx;514049 Wrote: 
 What do you mean by 'switch to a different network'?  You can easily
 switch the player between music servers if you have more than one on
 your network, plus switch to and from MySqueezebox.com.
They're not on the same network: the sheevaplug is wired to the router
B, while the internet access is on the router A. 
So it's not just a matter of switching the library, but I have first to
connect the Touch (or the duet) to the router A.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread JJZolx

realmassy;514050 Wrote: 
 They're not on the same network: the sheevaplug is wired to the router
 B, while the internet access is on the router A. 
 So it's not just a matter of switching the library, but I have first to
 connect the Touch (or the duet) to the router A.

You actually need to reconfiguring the player's network settings in
order to reach the Internet?  No, that's not easily done on any
Squeezebox.  Is sounds like you could stand to reconfigure your network
unless there's a _really_ good reason for doing something like that.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-05 Thread JohnSwenson

realmassy;514048 Wrote: 
 Thanks JJZolx (nice avatar, btw). 
 OK, so I think I'll keep the Sheevaplug :-)
 So how could I access the Internet keeping my configuration (dedicated
 network)? Can I switch to a different network on the fly without any
 reboot? When I've tried to do that with the Duet I ended up restoring
 the factory settings :-(

The Touch runs a real linux OS so anything that is possible in linux
can be done. Its a piece of cake to change the network in linux so I
presume it is so in the Touch. 

The Touch has a network configuration page where you can enter the IP
address, subnet, gateway etc. I presume this changes a file and restarts
networking on the fly.

If you are using DHCP you should just be able to physically connect to
the different network and restart the network which should renegotiate
DHCP with the new router. 

I haven't actually tried this, so I'll give it a try and see what
happens. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-02-04 Thread Michael Herger
 One more question: any known limitation about the size of the external
 USB drive, or the file system used?

Size: not that I'm aware of. My current setup for day-to-day use is a USB 
powered 2.5 HD with about 40GB of mp3 (8000 tracks). I know others have disks 
way beyond this size.

Supported filesystems are fat32, ntfs, ext3. See the following wiki article for 
details:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_-_USB_Compatibility

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-01-31 Thread Michael Herger
 Yeah, good clarifications.  Thanks.

Please create a wiki article with these. This could be the base for some more 
information about tinySBS.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch as a Server

2010-01-30 Thread JJZolx

Maybe more accurately stated as Touch's server can only stream files
that your players can play natively.  Touch will stream anything that
doesn't require transcoding for a particular player.

Another notable limitation is that there is no web interface for either
playback control or settings.  Also, the server settings available are
fewer than with the full scale server.


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