A Sony VAIO netbook from around the year 2000, probably the Sony VAIO
PCG-C1X:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_C1_series
I'm not in this thread to argue with you. I'm here as a volunteer to help
others. I resolved the problem and you have decided to be critical of my
solution.
Anyway, there are more than enough helpful people in this forum.
We are going in circles. I didn't say anything wrong, A detailed explanation
of the input() function was not necessary to help the OP.
Your initial comment was also not a thorough explanation. If I were to call
it incorrect you would be acting the same way.
While I don't care for your
"It's not a miscommunication. I was correcting you."
Since I'm not your student, and you are not my British nanny, you are in no
position to 'correct' me. It almost feels like I'm talking to a grade-school
teacher rather than a fellow programmer.
My explanation was adequate to resolve the
"You said that it's for integers."
It is for integers. If I said, "it is only for integers" then I could see
your point.
"I don't think explaining what it does is particularly useful to a beginner,
anyway;"
The OP had a problem--a common problem--with these functions so they had to
First I give an explanation that is suitable for the OP--a beginner. Then you
claim my explanation to a beginner is 'not quite right' and 'correct' it by
giving a technical definition. Then I give a link to the official source of
such technical definitions. Now you say such definitions are
"Regardless though, Thanks for replying now I at least have an idea of where
to head..."
My pleasure. The aim of my reply was to point you in the right direction.
"Okay, Is there a more complete guide of it though I wonder..."
Probably. This is where a search engine is your friend. You might
Please don't be scared. You came to the right place and are very welcome
here. We were all new to GNU/Linux once. In fact, while there are certainly
some very knowledgeable (and generous) people here, I think it is fair to say
that nobody here knows everything there is to know about
"The Python documentation is not that great of a resource for beginners."
Agreed. However, it is useful for technical definitions and distinctions.You
will notice that the link was explicitly made in response to your statement
of the technical definition of Python 2's input() function:
Try learning this tool: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
You might also want to do something like Linux From Scratch or Gentoo (just
make sure all of the software is Libre) just to learn how all of the major
parts of a system go together. Also, you learn about compiling software, and
There is a Python3 version of the same page:
Python3
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#input
Python2
https://docs.python.org/2/library/functions.html#input
The start of the documentation is here:
Python3
https://docs.python.org/3/
Python2
https://docs.python.org/2/
Can you post some of the Grub config files like:
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
/etc/default/grub
scripts in /etc/grub.d
Which OS are you dual-booting with?
Are both OS on the same drive?
Can you access your other OS via a liveDVD or liveUSB? If so, can you see
each OS?
All of the examples I've given work, and you would normally use input() in
Python 2 to create an int.
However, onpon4 is correct to point out that an operation is performed on the
data given to the input() function in Python 2. This is the eval operation:
eval(raw_input(prompt))
You can
Let me illustrate onpon4's statement:
Python 3
-
num = input()
# input a number, let us say 5
sum = num + num
Print (sum)
55 # concatenation of two strings '5' and '5'
Python 2
-
num = input()
# input a number, let us say 5
sum = num + num
Print (sum)
10 # sum of two
"Your explanation isn't quite right."
What did I say that was incorrect?
"still learning maybe if i get good enough I can make a short term support
version of debian or work with fedora... either way though I have a long way
to go."
It might not take as long as you think, depending on the method of learning
that you choose. Richard Stallman recommends making
myName = input()
print('It is good to meet you, ' + myName)
The problem has to do with a difference between Python 2.7 and below and
Python 3. Before Python 3, there were different ways to get string input and
int input and in Python 3 it is just one way
Python 2.7: For strings you use
"well when I try to make a new file with python 3.4.3 shell"
You don't 'make' a file with a 'python shell'. You make a file with an
editor. Which editor are you using?
The link you give (which is interesting, thanks!) talks about using an
Integrated Development Environment (IDE) called
"I cannot get python3 to work properly when I try to do simple things with
it..."
For example what kinds of things?
What happens when you type this in a terminal?:
python3
Are you running your programs using this?:
python3 your_program_name
Or, are you running your programs using this?:
"Please, do not invite anyone to "leave us" and use non-free software. Just
click the "-" button if the post does not respect the community guidelines:
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines;
You are 100% right, Magic Banana. I apologize.
If I thought of Parabola I
You are such a clown
Somehow, the newer people, and some of the older people, seem very nice. If
this is what happens after you are here for 5 years, everybody take note!
Given your graphic, you must have joined Trisquel when you were 2 years old.
If not, then it is just another example of how much you like
"some people like myself want a more up to date OS."
There are over 1,000 distros, pick one that accomplishes this for you. You
seem to like Ubuntu 16.04, just go use that and leave us alone.
You are so shallow. All you care about is pretty pictures and eye candy. Let
me know when you grow up and become a serious computer user.
You are being abusive. Whether or not WE (YES I SAID WE, NOT YOU, BUT WE)
have MATE will not depend on how many threads/posts you make and how rude you
decide to be. Anybody who sees my post in this thread sees how often you post
the same thing about MATE over and over and over and over and
Thank you! Communication. Now everybody can just relax and wait.
Just thought I'd give a summary of some of the links regarding Trisquel 8.
This only includes the English language forums. Maybe somebody can do the
same with the other language forums. This is not comprehensive. It was
created using the search feature with the key phrase: "Trisquel 8". I
This might help: http://e-valkov.org/epiphany-extensions/js-switch-off/
LOL funniest thing I've heard today. Thanks. sharpened lego bricks...lol
If I could assist in any way, let me know. I'd probably do better as a judge
than a level-maker. Although I do remember lode runner from the 1980s (a
fact that really dates me!), I'm more of chess/Go type of game player.
Still, I could spare some time if it would help you.
Yes, but getting a gratis copy of a non-expired newer version of JMP takes no
effort at all.
I understand the policy of not helping with nonfree software and I accept it.
I am just pointing out the dilemma as I see it.
As far as the programming language R, remember that these technologies
Is it better to use:
(a) A nonfree program (JMP) on a free platform (WINE over GNU/Linux)
(b) A nonfree program (JMP) on a nonfree platform (Windows)
Not using JMP is not an option for this person at this moment. Maybe a year
from now he will decide he does not need to use JMP. Does it make
"Real statisticians use GNU R"
This person has been a "real statistician" for many many decades. Graduated
Harvard graduate school with PHD in Statistics, taught at a major university
as a full professor with tenure for decades, discovered an entire area of
Statistics, is a Fellow of the
"We're not telling person to use Windows to use that program. We're just
saying that, since the program is non-free, we won't help out on how to
use it since it's non-free.
It's best to use WINE."
I understand and I accept this. In this case, it involved people close to me
so I didn't see the
Yes, it is JMP which also came from SAS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JMP_%28statistical_software%29
Thank you for the suggestions.
"I would like to provide more help, but statistics isn't my main field."
Statistics is this person's main field. But I will mention your suggestions
to him.
You are right again loldier! Still I wonder what the empirical reality is
regarding the use of WINE in Trisquel? Do most people use it to run libre
Windows code?
I doesn't matter, because it is possible to use it for libre Windows code,
and that is a good enough reason to include it in
The person uses this for their job and the only software alternative has a
very large learning curve. If they were beginners in their field of work,
then the learning curve wouldn't be as bad. But this person has to do
advanced things every day as part of their work. It is comparable to
Update:
The information you gave was very useful loldier, Thanks! I still need to
experiment some more with it. It is a less-pressing issue now that I was
able to access the Windows files from my friend's Windows computer. From
there I just copied them to a DVD and used it on my Linux
disktype /dev/sr0
--- /dev/sr0
Block device, size 233.6 MiB (244955136 bytes)
CD-ROM, 1 track, CDDB disk ID 02063A01
Track 1: Data track, 233.6 MiB (244955136 bytes)
Apple partition map, 2 entries
Partition 1: 1 KiB (1024 bytes, 2 sectors from 1)
Type "Apple_partition_map"
Partition 2:
OK, I mounted the CD and used fdisk and cfdisk. With cfdisk I saw there is
244MB on the disk. When I go to the mount point and use du -hc I get 98MB
So there is 146MB unaccounted for on this CD. I am only seeing 40% of the
data on this CD.
Hang on, can I use fdisk with disk device: fdisk /dev/sr0 just like I would
with a hard drive: fdisk /dev/sda
I will check right now...
How do I determine that?
That is the problem. I have mounted the CD manually and automatically. I
have mounted it inside the Trisquel DE and I have gone into a VT, stopped X,
and mounted from a text-only environment. In all cases I get the same three
items. Two folders each labelled with the name of a GNU/Linux
I want to try installing a program using WINE. However, the install CD
detects my OS as GNU/Linux and only shows me the GNU/Linux install files (the
reason I cannot simply install it in GNU/Linux is it is from 2004 and
specifically requires much earlier kernels--and is designed for
Given that the more experienced posters, onpon4 and Magic Banana, are not
thinking along these lines, it probably does not matter. Still, if you want
you can try (this assumes you are the owner of the file) open a terminal and
type:
chmod 777 filename.pdf
Then try renaming. If it does
What the permissions on the file?
I tried the PDF and I could edit and check boxes and so on. Sometimes to
give focus to the field I had to click at the beginning of the line/box
specifically.
As far as renaming, when you click on a file name is it highlighted? Have
you tried right-clicking and choosing 'rename'? Are you
I don't know why you were emailing them about Paypal root_vegetable, they
have a large part of their site devoted to explaining these issues:
https://minifree.org/paypal/
Here is the page, in case people have trouble getting to it for some reason:
PayPal? No way!
Minifree used to accept
"It's not clear they even offer Bitcoin so I'm not sure how it's relevant."
I mentioned bitcoin because I was talking about ways to pay the Trisquel
Project.
"Also regarding paying Trisquel, that does not generally involve large sums
of money. It involves small quantities (relative to the
"I would only get it if you intend to install Libreboot or Coreboot, other
than that you might as well just go to your local computer store."
This is probably true. However, if you want something decent for a low price
(< $200) a Thinkpad is a great choice--even without libreboot.
If many people here have successfully transacted with Minifree, then it seems
unreasonable to say they may be a 'scam'.
Of course you should be careful wiring money, but people and businesses wire
money all day every day. It is very common.
If you don't use Paypal (I stopped using them
I can visit amazon without javascript, but amazon is a terrible company:
https://stallman.org/amazon.html
So you might want to consider buying elsewhere. The websites ADFENO
recommended are good places to start
If you don't want to spend more than $150, then getting a used Thinkpad can
I disagree. You cannot speak for every college student in the world because
you visited a campus last month. You can't even speak for every college
student on that campus!
This is not an all-or-nothing venture. If we got 1% of the students turned
on to the Free Software Movement, whether
Lots of people think that way until they learn about the issues. Why are you
here when you can use a MacBook or tablet?
Anybody who has read even half of what I've written in this thread knows what
I think on these issues. We are going around in circles; We are repeating
ourselves. Ruben has already given a timeline here:
https://trisquel.info/en/new-cycle-what-we-achieved-and-whats-come
Ruben said, "This
Ruben says he was hired as a senior system administrator--that has other
responsibilities.
Ruben said, "I'm now in a job situation more compatible with the project"
This implies to me that his new job will make it easier to find time to work
on Trisquel. It does not imply to me that his
"You are paying him to work on the project"
Really? OK, well you are not paying him anywhere near enough to keep him
from quitting and taking a consulting job that pays 10x as much money. In
fact, he is sacrificing a lot of money to help YOU and you owe him a lot more
money for doing
"I know that this may come out as a surprise to you, but
professional people always work with timelines in mind."
It doesn't surprise me at all. You know what would surprise me? If Ruben
came here and said he has a nice professional timeline for us:
Trisquel 8 will be released June 5th,
If you have been reading my posts you would guess correctly that this
'rumour' is not real. The idea was to illustrate how misguided it is to focus
on Ubuntu when talking about the Trisquel development cycle.
When it comes to Ubuntu I have 5 words:
1. Who
2. Cares
3. Get
4. Over
5. It
If
That is an excellent point! In fact, it is the best point.
Even in this case, however, there is often work that can be done to try and
solve the problem before the new release. In fact, this is one way we can
help the development of Trisquel 8. It may be the only way to solve the
By the way, I heard a rumour that the latest Ubuntu release is having some
serious problems. Apparently they released too soon and now they have a lot
of back peddling to do. It is a little embarrassing actually. I''m so glad
we didn't just dive in after them. Let's let them work it out
My theory is that all of this dissent is due to one thing and one thing only:
The giddiness comparable to that of a child on Christmas morning that cannot
wait to open their presents.
An impatient child in the back seat of a car on its way to Disneyland who
constantly asks "are we there
And you have a point. I think we should get into it after Trisquel 8
release. Do you think they are unaware that we would like feedback?
OK, once and for all:
What is wrong with Trisquel 7?
What sacrifices are you making by using Trisquel 7 that you won't have to
make once Trisquel 8 comes out?
Do you have any intermediate step--like upgrading individual programs you
need upgraded?
what bureaucracy? There is only one or two people!
They don't owe us anything at all. We owe them for the thousands of unpaid
hours they devoted to this project
I agree that more communication would be nice. I'm sure they feel that way
too. So the lack of communication is despite
"So, those of us who feel we deserved to be informed should change to
Ubuntu?"
WHAT!?! Is it that much of a sacrifice to be patient until Trisquel 8 comes
out?
By the way, what is wrong with Trisquel 7 ??
Is something broken on your system?
Why does Trisquel 8 matter so much to you?
Or,
"We need more direct participation in Trisquel's development."
I think this is a valid point. But it is a right idea at the wrong time.
Creating an effective team of skilled developers takes time. We are close
enough to Trisquel 8, that it could take more time to build a working team
than
"Yeah well there is no communication."
OK, he is working and not communicating with us
"blog post was put out only after people complained about lack of news."
OK, he is still working and now communicating with us
"we are justified to assume nothing is happening."
No. I disagree. As you can see
Here is a pattern I normally see with distro versions: 1 < 2 < 3 < 4 < 5 < 6
< 7 < 8 < 9 and so on. In other words, there is a direct correlation
between time and improvement. This would imply that the longer we wait, the
better it will be! Also, if you insist on thinking in terms of
What do you find unrealistic about the plan I suggested about selling to
college students at student fairs?
There are people who vote -1 too, and if there is a +1 and a -1 that then
becomes 0 and there is no record that somebody voted. My earlier call for a
vote had this in mind. If I received a +7 despite the fact that there are
those voting -1, then that was an adequate basis for my working to
+1
Yet they are there nonetheless. Don't try to compare this to the book-length
draconian EULAs that companies like amazon have. Nobody reads those. This
is a handful of sentences in large, bold, font, that are written in clear and
simple language. You read them but you don't remember--or
lol You didn't agree to the guideline?
"The forum / mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of
Trisquel."
How do you reconcile the existence of this thread given that you promised to
abide by the above guideline?
Don't tell me, "well, son, you haven't been around enough to know that those
guidelines don't mean a
lol, I almost hate to see this thread go, since your posts are so
entertaining root_vegetable
I can work on getting this thread moved to the Troll Hole, but I would like
some consensus:
A choice of +1 means you agree that this thread should be moved to the Troll
Hole.
It looks like
"I agree [with you, let's stop this thread]"
"...Now let's back to the main topic [and not stop this thread!]."
Oh, I see. You agree with me about stopping the thread, and then immediately
try to restart it!!!
I'd actually be offended at your calling me a liar if you weren't so
"So instead of calling me names you should show some respect."
You are receiving respect in proportion to your actions. Act like a troll,
get treated like a troll. You are continuing to provoke people with this
topic, in the wrong forum. So my comments were appropriate.
If you have been
"Now let's back to the main topic."
You are not listening troll. Maybe louder will help??
GO AWAY!!!
Last I checked, there are hundreds of people who are viewing this site at any
point in time. I wouldn't blame any of them for rejecting this community for
its inability to control itself from having these polarizing discussions
about politics and hate speech and the like.
For those whose
Most of the people know buy computers from a brick-and-mortar store. They go
into a store like Best Buy, and they try out different computers and
eventually buy one. It would be great if there was a GNU/Linux store where
people could go and try out GNU/Linux in person, buy it installed on
Let's look at this from a different angle:
Just because a private property is located on and accessible from a public
road, doesn't mean you can enter that property. If you enter that property,
that does not mean that you are free to do as you please. It is still private
property.
For
If anybody is interested, Richard Stallman already commented on this:
https://www.stallman.org/archives/2016-mar-jun.html
"1 June 2016 (Censorship of "hate speech")
Several "US" companies have signed a pledge to censor "hate speech", which is
a crime in many European countries.
This
www.ixquick.com
Right now my main one is searx.me
A few weeks ago I 'overheard' SuperTramp83 recommending it to somebody and I
decided to try it. Thanks SuperTramp83!
Sometimes I use DDG or ixquick/startpage
A couple of silly questions:
1.) What happens without using quotes
2.) What happens using single quotes 'Hello my good friend' instead of
"Hello my good friend"
What I don't understand is how this can threaten the GPL? The GPL is a
detailed legal document that lays out exactly what the user of the licensed
software agrees to. "copyright" is a more general category. Fair use is a
more general concept. The GPL is a specific license.
It is almost
You are misrepresenting my advice to the OP. My advice was to avoid
absolutist thinking and cognitive dissonance--i.e. 'forced to', 'cisco or
flipping burgers' and so on.
Nowhere did I say, or even imply, that starvation was an option.
Nobody, not even rms, thinks a person should die before
I like this advice as it is very concrete. +1
"Why you didn't answer on the options listed?"
It is important to clarify the first part of what you said.
"I'm unemployed and i have two option:
Do this course or back to flip burgers."
How it could it possibly just be those two possibilities? If you have the
general intelligence and
"I feel forced to this Proprietary world.But i need food to live,so i have
to."
If you want to do this, that is your choice. To say you are 'forced' to does
not make sense. Nobody has a gun to your head. There are other types of jobs
in the world that will give you enough money so you
Yes, I liked it better when it was in the 'system' menu. Trisquel doesn't
have a 'system' menu, but it does have 'system' settings. I guess it is
better than 'accessories', but it is hardly ideal since synaptic is a package
manager, not a setting!
Personally I have no complaint, as I
"With every new installation of Ubuntu, my first task has been to apt-get
install synaptic."
It is one of the first things I end up doing as well. It must be so
automatic that I just don't remember when I've had to install it and when it
was installed by default!
"Synaptic is for
Great suggestion. When I wanted something descriptive, I chose Synaptic.
This looks much more thorough, however, so I may start using this instead.
"In most modern distros, Synaptic is not installed by default."
By my recollection, in Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, and Trisquel, Synaptic is
installed by default.
Outstanding! It will take me a while to figure it out, but I definitely want
to try this. Thanks!
Yes, that is better advice if I were suggesting synaptic (which I was).
However, I think add/remove programs is more user friendly. It is easier to
find and easier to use.
For myself I always try to use apt first. I run synaptic from a terminal when
I need a bigger picture of what I'm
Which is better for privacy when making calls from home:
1.) Mobile phone with Replicant.
2.) Landline phone with Verizon.
3.) VOIP phone with Comcast
My guess is that number 1 is at least as good as the others.
So ultimately my improvement in my phone use is that I will avoid non-free
"Is there a package manager that comes with Trisquel?"
1.) Click the Trisquel symbol in the bottom left and choose "add/remove
applications"
2.) In the top right there is a search box. Type "envy" and hit ENTER.
One package called Mudita24 should come up and you can install it.
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