Can you get a copy of the writings that you referred to
and post them?
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From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What about this
William Penn, Quaker writing?
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Would the two primary participants on the issue of
CP kindly provide in a paragraph or two their belief on this matter. Please use
language that, though not reductionist, is plain. Lance
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From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10,
Very few of us have come to a belief on this issue
simply through the reading of the "text". Would BT DM tell us the process
by/through which they came to hold this view? Lance
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From:
Lance
Muir
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Sent: April 10, 2004
"You must love the Lord your God with all your
heart, all your soul, and all your mind. This is the first and greatest
commandment.A second is equally important. "Love your neighbor as yourself."All
the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are based on these
two
Lance, what do you mean by that? What does
in communion mean to you? Izzy
I believe that our being is in communion.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I not only do not believe in perfectionism,
I do not see it expressed in the life of Miller or anyone
else."
jt: I can say then with equal authority that I don't
believe in "salvation"
or in being "conformed to the image of Christ" for the
same reason -
which
It is the difference between a monad and a person.
It is the relational. God is God ONLY as Father, Son Spirit. We are who we
are ONLY as persons in relation with other persons. Clear/Muddy?
Lance
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From:
ShieldsFamily
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Sent:
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I for one would appreciate comments questions from all participants.
I firmly believe that the "heart of God" may be known on this matter.
Lance
jt: I'd like to submit the following as the reason why
so many don't believe
in "Christian Perfection"
Judy: Will you please, without quoting scripture,
tell me in your own words what you mean by Christian Perfection and, how it
manifests in your own life as an illustration? Thanks, Lance
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10, 2004 08:45
Subject:
From: Wm. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:45 AM
John,
I have really been appreciating your posts. You
and Terry are like the elders of our little congregation. I'm fully on board
with your grace doctrine. I think it is the only way to understand the
whole of
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy: Will
you please, without quoting scripture, tell me in your
own words what you mean by Christian Perfection and, how it
manifests in your own life as an illustration? Thanks, Lance
jt: Lance what difference does it make what you, I, or anyone
So, If a person were stranded on an island
with no one to commune with, they would cease to be a person? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004
6:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian
In a message dated 4/10/2004 1:29:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Knpraise writes:
a message dated 4/9/2004 4:40:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So, David, in accordance with Matthew 7:1-6 ... we know the truth about you from
Elsman ... RIGHT?!?
And you
Lancewrote I believe
our Triune God (Father, Son, Spirit) is a relational God. I believe that His
Being is in Communion. I believe that we are made in God's image. I believe that
our being is in communion. I believe that introspection is the least effective
means of knowing ourselves. I
Bill, I appreciate the thoroughness of your response.
It went much deeper than was actually needed. I hope you did not spend
too much time on it, but I do appreciate you explaining more thoroughly your
perspective here.
I have a much better idea now of what is going on in your mind to
Anyone out there old enough to remember Burns
Allen? Say goodnight Gracie. Lance
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10, 2004 09:19
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
So, If a person were
stranded on
Have a blessed Easter Judy. Praise God, He is
Risen. Lance
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10, 2004 09:14
Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy:
Will you please,
Lance wrote:
Would BT DM tell us the process by/through which
they came to hold this view?
When I was a teenager in high school, the Holy Spirit was upon me for
several days. I kept reading Romans 6, 7, 8 over and over again. God
was dealing with my flesh. I was struggling with wanting to
John Smithson wrote:
This kind of debate is a problem. There is a
difference between debate and capitulation upon
demand. Miller seems overly concerned with winning
the debate rather than entering a discussion.
Ugh. I don't care about winning any debate. I truly hope to be shown
Lance,
Im asking YOU not to be so
simplistic. I like the thoughts that you brought up, but you did not expand on
them very much. In what way do
you think that we only persons in
relation with other persons? For example, my dog and cat are very
relational. They follow me around the
In a message dated 4/10/2004 3:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I for one would appreciate comments questions from all participants.
Great idea, Lance.
Since I have had a lot to say in the past on this, I will be brief. Romans 7:25 and the preceding verses is my
In a message dated 4/10/2004 5:50:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: I'd like to submit the following as the reason why so many don't believe
in "Christian Perfection" judyt
"And that which fell among the thorns are they which, when they have heard,
go forth, and are
In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Lance what difference does it make what you, I, or anyone thinks?
What should be important to all of us is what God thinks. Why are you
threatened by scripture? What's wrong with finding out what these
Bill -- thanks for the repost. I am all excited again. I do have a couple of thoughts but I have to take off.
John
In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:10:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Wm. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:45 AM
John,
I have really been
In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:51:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have a blessed Easter Judy. Praise God, He is Risen. Lance
Yes -- it is a great time. Lift Him up this weekend.
John
In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:31:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
quote the "Elsman comments" when referencing such, it would make your statement meaningful not just a baloney blunderbuss allegation.
I did not accuse anyone of being stupid, by the way I just said that
Lance wrote I believe our Triune God (Father, Son,
Spirit)
is a relational God. I believe that His Being is in Communion.
I believe that we are made in God's image.
jt: You didn't say with whom His Being is in communion
Lance
Adam WAS made in God's image but Adam fell; so the
image of
John: With apologies-Onto-relational, perichoresis.
Both closer to the mark vis a vis "Being as Communion". Your mission should
you...Lance
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Sent: April 10, 2004 10:38
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David wrote Ok, so I share this
information from the Interlinears so you can criticize them or correct them
where you think it appropriate. Also, I share it so that we
can be on the same page in discussing this phrase. It now seems to me that
you have not dealt with that word hoti which
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: I'd like to submit the following as the reason why
so many don't believe in "Christian Perfection" "And that which fell
among the thorns are they
which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked
with cares and
riches and pleasures
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]j[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Lance what difference does it make what you, I, or
anyone thinks? What should be important to all of us is what God thinks. Why
are you threatened by scripture? What's wrong with finding out what
these terms mean in God's vernacular. You
In a message dated 4/10/2004 8:05:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John: With apologies-Onto-relational, perichoresis. Both closer to the mark vis a vis "Being as Communion". Your mission should you...Lance
Don't betoo hard on yourself -- without your imput (Izzy -- check
In a message dated 4/10/2004 8:17:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why cling to doctrines that will never conform you to godliness and/or
holiness?
Why do you say that salvation by grace apart from works is a false doctrine? I don't go out and live like hell knowing that
In a message dated 4/10/2004 8:28:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
john: What do people in your church do for fellowship --
just sit around quoting scripture. John
jt: True fellowship ONLY happens when we receiving understanding from
God so that we can agree from the
Good Morning Billt;
Since some on TT have a tendency to call anything but
wholehearted agreement
"being disagreeable" and Lance has already taken his
ball and gone home.
I hope you will receivethis in the spirit in
which it is written. I have read and thought
about this "faithfulness
JT: Have a blessed Easter. Praise God! He is Risen!
Lance
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10, 2004 10:59
Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
Lance wrote I believe our Triune God (Father, Son,
Spirit)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why cling to doctrines that will never conform you to
godliness and/or holiness?
Why do you say that salvation by grace apart from works is a false
doctrine?
jt: Because the root of this belief system is Calvin's
Institutes rather than
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:05:07 -0700 Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to DavidM:
Why does everybody in TT
want to argue???
hmmm..
G ~ P
235
Good morning, Judy.
What Jesus did in his faithfulness to the Father is
what restored our humanity and gives us now the possibility of following in his
steps. Of course, he is our example. Who could ask for better! But he is that
and more. Said differently, Christ'satonement offers more
Huh???
Don't betoo hard on yourself -- without your imput (Izzy -- check it out) we would be at
greound zero on this point.
John
Judy Taylor wrote:
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I for one would appreciate comments questions from all
participants.
I firmly believe that the "heart of God" may be known on this
matter. Lance
Based on what I read in the Bible, I believe that
once a person has
Sorry I missed you Blaine maybe next time.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been on Spring Vacation, which for me started right after LDS Conference in Salt Lake City last Sunday, and now have a catchup of around 250 messages, mostly TT messages.
I walked over to the
In an earlier post I referred to words(language) as
a blunt instrument. They(words) don't possess the level of exactitude that say,
mathematics possesses. Pattern and its signification is useful. Hatred, when
used of sin in the life of this believer (yikes! am I revealing too much?) seems
a
Izzy: The "sainted" Bill Taylor wrote on this
recently. Using a SciFi scenario imagine the "Amazing diminishing Person". To
the extent that we are comprised of relationships from the womb forward;
the removal of any one of them makes us into someone less than we are. God
wouldn't be God if
In a message dated 4/10/2004 9:41:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Don't betoo hard on yourself -- without your imput (Izzy -- check it out) we would be at greound zero on this point.
I got it right this time (input rather than impute -- right? ) The other is the fault
In a message dated 4/10/2004 9:03:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why cling to doctrines that will never conform you to godliness and/or
holiness?
Who said that I did this? Nothing I believe in or teach leads me away from life's attempt at
Oh, I guess I missed that. Actually, I was
thinking about how our relationships change and grow as we age (hopefully). So,
at what age did you become a person? (Only kidding!) As I
alluded to, one thing I really
like about my TT relationships is that I can turn the computer off! J Izzy
WhewI thought you were regressing,
there, John. J Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004
3:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
In a message dated 4/10/2004
Lance Muir wrote:
In an earlier post I referred to
words(language) as a blunt instrument. They(words) don't possess the
level of exactitude that say, mathematics possesses. Pattern and its
signification is useful. Hatred, when used of sin in the life of this
believer (yikes! am
TTers,
My son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley, have
3 daughters. Gretchen (to be 6 this July 4th), Heidi (just turned 4), and
Sofie (just turned 2). When Shirley was pg. with Sofie two years ago (Gretchen
was 3 ) they were all hoping for a boy (werent sure what it
would be), and talking
That's some really neat stories, Izzy. I'm excited
for your family. I hope everything goes well now.
Bill
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:54
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian
Children
Bill wrote:
I bring my knowledge of these truths from the
Gospels of Christ with me to my translation of
John's epistle. I do not apologize for that.
Yes, it does seem to me that you let your theology force itself upon the
passage. We all bring such with us, but we should try to let the
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