Blaine, if you have no reasonable answers to these questions, just say so.
Perry
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:15:56 -0700
Blainer: That's too easy--give me a harder one. :)
In a message dated 7/28/2005 10:33:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can make anyone or anything appear evilif I choose
to--it is just a matter of which perspective I choose to
adopt.
If that is so,
Blainerb: Sorry Kevin, as usual, you have either been reading the
wrong stuff, or you are making this up as you go along, trying to build a
case. Joseph Smith had the Urim Thummim
restored to him in July, 1828. Using
it, he received a new revelation reprimanding him for allowing Martin
Why not just admit you can not make "anything" you want appear Evil.
LDS are brought up in a culture and in a worldview that trains them to filter out, discardany information that is does not fit or is contrary to that worldview.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainer: That's too easy--give me a
On pages 111-112 we find verses 1-14 of DC 29. What does DC 29 have to do with this?
I do not see what context or verse to which you refer.
There are 50 total verses in this one!
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/29
Since we were talking about SEER Stones maybe you refer to the top of page 111 where
[Hiram Page] obtained a stone through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page decided to settle the question as to where Zion was to be built through his magical stoneOliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family were deceived by the false declarations of Hiram Page. "More
Joe the SEER
Joseph, Jr., could see, by placing a stone of singular appearance in his hat, in such a manner as to exclude all light; at which time they pretended he could see all things within and under the earth, that he could see within the above mentioned caves, large gold bars and silver
In a message dated 7/30/2005 2:56:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So according to Joe,
when Oliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family believed his claim to receive
revelations from his seer stone they were people full of faith, but when they
believed revelations
Just Because!
I know the church is True
BECAUSE
I know the church is True[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/30/2005 2:56:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So according to Joe, when Oliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family believed his claim to receive
Kevin Deegan wrote:
[Hiram Page] obtained a stone
through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page
decided to settle the question as to where Zion was to be built through
his magical stoneOliver Cowdery and the Whitmer family
were deceived by the false
And if you believe that I have some Swamp Land on Kolob I can sell you!Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
[Hiram Page] obtained a stone through which he received some spurious revelations. ... So Hiram Page decided to settle the question as to where Zion was to be built
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:42:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IT is not FAITH IN SPITE of the FACTS.
A true faith reflects REALITY!
It is not like some LDS believe "God took away the plates and made it
look like they were not real so we could have
Emotional reactions can not be resolved with FACTS and LOGIC!
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True"
"I know the church is True".[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:42:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A true faith reflects REALITY! deegan
et al:
Faith IS our reality (substance and evidence).
God is my reality because I believe this to be true. The B I B L E is the book for me because I believe it to be. The Spirit indwells my life because I believe this to be. My faith is circular in
Guess we will have to wait until Jesus Himself
separates the sheep from the goats. Then we will know for sure
who is the "good and faithful servant" and who is
deceiving others and being deceived themselves because no
artificial fruit will stand before him with whom we
have to do - Who can
Wow! Ineresting, also.But what did you think of my posted comments below?
Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:25:55 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter
DAVEH: What are you trying to do, Johncommit
TruthTalkicide??? :-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strictly speaking, we are all in the same boat as that of our
Mormon friends.
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
I can make anyone or anything appear evilif I choose to--it is just a matter of which perspective I choose to adopt.
If that is so, please give us an example of how the Southern Baptists are evil.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:
You should have said:
not wanting to face the facts I
Blainerb: What you have quoted
below is all in keeping with Biblical scripture--what about David and his
refusal to go against KingSaul? He even refused to kill Saul when he
was given the chance--because Saul was the Lord's ANNOINTED! Read 1 Samuel
ch. 24
"Wickedness proceedeth from
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:39:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Urim and Thummim
Was just a SEER STONE as J Fielding Smith
said
Blainer: The seer stone was used in place of the
urim and thummim, but was not actually such. It had similar powers,
however.
"use truth unrighteously"
Could you expound on just how one uses truth unrighteously?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: What you have quoted below is all in keeping with Biblical scripture--what about David and his refusal to go against KingSaul? He even refused to kill Saul when he was given
The angel took them away from Joe because he LOST 116 pages of God's word, they were NOT RESTORED in the "restoration"!
How was it that the "God" of Mormonism could be FRUSTRATED in his purpose of translation?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:39:19 P.M. Mountain Standard
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:47:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine,
I had posed a few questions to you regarding the bom, and I fear you got
sidetracked by Kevin's posts...lets try again, if you will...Most
books, fiction and non-fiction, have internal
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:54:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have you read any of the scholarly books and articles by LDS
Authors?
Blainer: Several, but I avoid books like Quinn's, for the simple
reason that although he has no-doubt done extensive research,
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:54:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have you read any of the scholarly books and articles by LDS
Authors?
Blainer: Like Michael Quinn, for instance? The man is now a
"has-been." He was excommunicated in 1993 (?)
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:57:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SEER STONES are OCCULT that is why Joe used them, along with all his
other tools of the trade.
At first the stones were used tofind Treasure and then he changed
the story to the BoM
In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:00:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why do you always focus on
Minutia?
Sort of like the Wizard of
OZ.
"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND
THE CURTAIN!"
Blainer: It is in the details that
we are able to see the true
What conclusions do you draw from Joe's involvement with MAGIC?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:54:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have you read any of the scholarly books and articles by LDS Authors?
Blainer: Several, but I avoid books like
So because he was EXed his scholarly work should be ignored? Is that what you think?
Because he was EXed he can never be a reliable source as a HISTORIAN?
Does being EXed effect other areas too?Would you avoid hiring any EX for jobs?
Never mind that man behind the curtain, look over here![EMAIL
Did Jesus carry SEER STONES?
How about the Apostles?
John the Baptist?
The problem is not how skilled one is with these tools of the trade but that God condemned them!
What did Joe use the Jupiter Talisman for?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:57:07 P.M. Mountain
But we do not focus on the minutia while at the same time ignoring all the other overwhelming evidence before our eyes.
LDS are always saying yes, but look over here, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. He is an ANTI or worse yet he was EXed!
One can not discount even the smallest
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:13:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What
conclusions do you draw from Joe's involvement with
MAGIC?
Blainerb: I have drawn none, since
I am not convinced he was into magic to the extent you would have us all
believe. As usual, you
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:17:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So because he was EXed his scholarly work should be ignored? Is that what
you think?
Because he was EXed he can never be a reliable source as a
HISTORIAN?
Does being EXed effect other
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:19:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did Jesus carry SEER STONES?
How about the Apostles?
John the Baptist?
The problem is not how skilled one is with these tools of the trade but
that God condemned them!
What did Joe
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:31:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
Blainerb: I am glad you are such an exacting scientist, Kevin, but
what about the principle of faith? Scientists for the most part allow no
room for faith as a credible way of approaching lack of knowledge. Yet
faith is the
Not wanting to JUMP to conclusions, I have drawn none.
You should have said:
not wanting to face the facts I ignore them.
Each of us has to face the matter-either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing. President
I think Quinn was exed for pride--thinking he knew more than the anointed ones who have been called up and chosen to lead the LDS church.
Right it is drummed into LDS minds:
NEVER CRITICIZE our leaders even if it is true!
"It is one thing to depreciate a person who exercises corporate power or
Urim and Thummim
Was just a SEER STONE as J Fielding Smith said
God does not take lightly the mixing of truth with Error or the Holy with PROFANE!
EZ 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have
IT is not FAITH IN SPITE of the FACTS.
A true faith reflects REALITY!
It is not like some LDS believe "God took away the plates and made it look like they were not real so we could have more faith"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:31:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
DAVEH: Hmm Kevin..your admission qualifies as your second
error! ;-)
Kevin Deegan wrote:
OK you win it takes 2 ERRORS to make it a PHONY!
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH:
Would that apply to one who erroneously would suggest that all those
who disagree with
Myth.
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'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
Blainer: Are you confusing Joseph
Smith
Blainerb: Here is a closer approximation of the truth regards the translation of the BoM. Kevin's version is, naturally, taken from his favorite anti-Mormon sites.
Of course you IGNORE the fact that Joe was a Warlock. A number of "LDS" Historians have written scholarly articles books on this
Other late reports mention a variety of further details, but they cannot be historically confirmed or denied.I guess they did not try real hard:
"sometimes Joseph used a seer stone when enquiring of the Lord, and receiving revelation" Report of Elders Orson Pratt and Joseph F. Smith, Concluded",
Morehear-say from Kevin's anti-Mormon sites,
none of which can be verified by first-hand
documentation. Warlock? LOL I bet
he's been watching "Charmed." See Below for truth
--
Most reports state that throughout
the project Joseph used the "Nephite interpreters" or, for convenience, he
Blainerb: One of Kevin's favorite
tricks--take something out of context, then prove it wrong. The entire context is on one of my previous posts, but here it is
again--as can be seen, my post states that the use of the seer
stone is a well documented fact. Kevin knows it was stated in my
hundreds if not thousands of external consitencies.
3. What external consistencies does the bom show?
Perry
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Sun, 24 Jul
Have you read any of the scholarly books and articles by LDS Authors?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560851570/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/002-4317535-3904844
Insider's View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer
The author of this exceptionally clear thoroughly documented book is an active,
SEER STONES are OCCULT that is why Joe used them, along with all his other tools of the trade.
At first the stones were used tofind Treasure and then he changed the story to the BoM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: One of Kevin's favorite tricks--take something out of context, then prove it
Why do you always focus on Minutia?
Sort of like the Wizard of OZ.
"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"
http://www.chugachconsumers.org/images/Oz-ManBehind.jpgAs Groucho Marx used to say: "Who are you going to believe me or your eyes?"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: One
DAVEH: Would that apply to one who erroneously would suggest that all
those who disagree with the LDS Church are anti-Mormons? :-)
Kevin Deegan wrote:
All it takes isONE internal Inconsistency or ERROR to make it a
PHONY
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK you win it takes 2 ERRORS to make it a PHONY!Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Would that apply to one who erroneously would suggest that all those who disagree with the LDS Church are anti-Mormons? :-) Kevin Deegan wrote:
All it takes isONE internal Inconsistency or ERROR to make
So as you can see Joe was a MEDIUM a Spirit Channeler
The LDS Hymn should be changed to "We thank thee O God for a Warlock"
Even the Book of Commandments syas Joe had power with the ROD, he was a diviner.
"The gift of working with the rod" (Book of Commandments 7:3)
The Book of Mormon was
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So as you can see Joe was a MEDIUM a Spirit Channeler
The LDS Hymn should be changed to "We thank thee O God for a
Warlock"
Even the Book of Commandments syas Joe had power with the ROD,
he was a diviner.
"The gift of working with the rod"
(Book of Commandments
] writes:
JSmith was no Jesus.
From:
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On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:44
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vs a 'contexter'
Blainerb
In a message dated 7/25/2005 1:40:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to some (who?)of
the EYEWITNESSES, Joe dropped a magical
seer stone into his hat, then buried his face in the hat and proceeding to
dictate the Book of Mormon. The actual words and
Blainerb: Here is a closer approximation of the
truth regards the translation of the BoM. Kevin's version is, naturally,
taken from his favorite anti-Mormon sites.
Book of
Mormon Translation By Joseph
Smith
The original manuscript for Helaman 1:15-16 shows
Hmmm, interesting! The personage quoted scripture
but that is not unusual, the devil comes as an angel of light and uses truth
to
deceive ppl and lead them into even worse error.
However, I do think it hypocritical for the ones following creeds and doctrines
that
are of men to upbraid you
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Blainerb: Why do you not believe God can use his own words from thescriptures to express his displeasure over a current situation? Jesus
Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus
gave them authority over demons and He gave them the authority to
preach the Good News. He did not give them the authority to be
dictators or popes or presidents. They were guides, not rulers.
Hope this helps you understand.
JSmith was no Jesus.
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Blainerb: Why do you not
believe God
Blainerb: You are describing a common hang-up with the BoM, which
isnot much of a hang-up since it is simply based upon the presumption thatwhen JS translated the plates, he
did so word for word--which may have been OK for most of the passages, but when
he came to passages he was familiar
DAVEH: Do you believe Jesus gave them authority to baptize? Or, do
you think they automatically had that authority, as do many Christians
today?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus
gave them authority over demons and He gave them the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to receive
Sooo, part of the B of M is from God and the other part is from the KJV of the biblicallanguage(s).
Interesting.
JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:02:53 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter
In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is
what it says it is.How do you know this?
I read it, I now read it, I will read it, I will have read it . . . too
many internal consistencies for
You are describing a common hang-up with the BoM, which isnot much of a hang-up since it is simply based upon the presumption thatwhen JS translated the plates, he did so word for word
According to some of the EYEWITNESSES, Joe dropped a magical seer stone into his hat, then buried his face in the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
I read it, I now read it, I will read it, I will have read it . . . too
So another words you know it to be True because you know it to be True.
I see.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.How do you know this?
I read
All it takes isONE internal Inconsistency or ERROR to make it a PHONYCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it
DAVEH: As I see it, the big problem was
not the heresy as much as it was the lack of authority.
Judy Taylor wrote:
From my perspective the Mormon boys are
being shown by those of you who adhere to Orthodoxy to a Tee
that Joseph Smith was right - His big
problem was with the
Lance wrote:
Let me say something to everyone on TT who employs
the letters RCC as an epithet; THIS WAS THE BIRTH
OF CHRIST'S CHURCH!! If y'all got a problem with
that then, take it up with Him.
Lance, surely you know that this is not true what you just said. This is
one of the biggest lies
JD wrote:
Who says this is not an esstential? You?
DM? And what are these essentials/
None of you fundies ever get around to
answering that question. Do you all think
this goes unnoticed?
Well, I'm not a fundy, but I will try to answer this for you.
First, let me say that contrary to
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JD wrote:
Who says this is not an esstential? You?
DM? And what are these "essentials/"
None of you fundies ever get around to
answering tha
Dave, Jesus is the authority and he did not set up a hierarchal flesh
kingdom to stand in for Him
His kingdom is organic rather than organizational. Leadership leads
by example rather than as CEO
The least is as important as the greatest and all are to submit one to
another in the fear of
DAVEH: His ordination of the apostles would suggest otherwise, Judy.
For what reason did he call and ordain the apostles if they were not to
stand in for Him? Did he not give them authority and then
command them to preach and baptize in his name?
Judith H Taylor wrote:
Dave, Jesus
You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave.
"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those
that are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so
among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be
your
Blainerb: "I asked the Personages who stood above me in the
light, which of all the sects was right . . . the Personage who
addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that
those professors were all corrupt; that they: draw near to me with their
lips, but
JSmith quoting the real Bible in his
collections of the commandments of JSmith.
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DAVEH: So what do you think the purpose was of Jesus choosing and
ordaining the apostles, Terry? Do you believe Jesus gave them any
authority?
Terry Clifton wrote:
You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave.
"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord
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Blainerb: "I
asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the
sects was
You never give up do you Lance?
All this proves is that we are at different places in
our walk. I have seen David explain this
to you in the clearest way possible but you apparently
did not accept that. There is only ONE
who has always been perfect. The rest of us are learning and "rest"
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You never give up do you Lance?
All this proves is that we are at different places in
our walk. I have seen David explain this
to you in the clearest way possible
Exactly. -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:38:04 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
At last we've been presented with the opportunity to demonstrate this 'He will lead you into all
I don't "criticize" people Lance. We are working
in two different arenas and I can't figure
out why you are so blind to it. I challenge
doctrine and you criticize people. One is sin
the other is expected as part of our walk in Christ
which Mormons have not yet begun.
since they are disciples
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I don't "criticize" people Lance. We are
working in two different arenas and I can't figure
out why you are so blin
Which makes my point perfectly.
Jesus was not born of a virgin with the same kind
ofnature even though he had a body in our likeness.
His humanity was different from ours.
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:18:38 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Talk about not knowing! Both you and David
Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:49:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
You never give up do you Lance?
All this proves is that we are at different places in our w
Patience, Lance. Patience. Judy and I both have hope to achieve a mutually
beneficial understanding in the end. What we are discussing is not a life
or death issue. The truth is that Judy and I are in more agreement than you
probably realize right now. Most of our differences hinge upon a
Maybe he is blind because it is his nature? LOST
--- Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't criticize people Lance. We are working in two different
arenas
and I can't figure
out why you are so blind to it. I challenge doctrine and you
criticize
people. One is sin
the other is
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Patience, Lance. Patience. Judy and I both have hope to achieve a
mutually
beneficial understanding in the end. What we are discussing is not a life
or death issue. The truth is that Judy and I are in more
Lance, what you fail to apprehend
is that if DM and JT are truly seeking Truth (which they are), then eventually
they will reach agreement. The nice thing is that they are not disagreeing on
anything of essential-to-being-saved issues. izzy
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Jtignore the hecklers. (My advice.)
iz
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S,
infallibility
ginal Message -
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ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 22, 2005 12:07
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter'
vs a 'contexter'
Lance, what you fail
to apprehend is that if DM and JT are truly seeking Truth (which they are),
then event
Lance Muir wrote:
At last we've been presented with
the opportunity to demonstrate this 'He will lead you into all truth'
thingy is misunderstood by those who have most often cited it (Judy,
David).
Both are faithful servants of the
Lord, both have 'studied to show themselves
that they
both have access to the Spirit's leading on the matter at hand.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 22, 2005 13:49
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter'
vs a 'contexter'
Lance Muir wrote:
At last
Noone who thinks they know anything about anything is
ever fine with Lance; he is the one who says we can't
know because of Enlightenment thinking and all that
because it hasstymied the Holy Spirit whojust can't
perform
anymorebecause of
it which makesthe Bible useless and impossible to
(even after having believed for decades) B That it doesn't reall matter
all that much EXCEPT FOR MORMONS, OF COURSE!
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 22, 2005 14:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter'
vs
From my perspective the Mormon boys are being shown by
those of you who adhere to Orthodoxy to a Tee
that Joseph Smith was right - His big problem was with
the heresy of all the sects. It's not difficult to see as it's
even worse today than it was then -he
was right on that point -
On
little to you. It'd appear that that's the case with you, Judy.
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 22,
2005 15:38
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter
:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 22, 2005 16:13
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter'
vs a 'contexter'
And who were those
orthodox Christians for 2000 years, Lance? The RCC??? Give me a break.
iz
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