Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just like it says After Death! And some will be cast into Hell   "Don't employ lawyers, or pay them money for their knowledge, for I have learned that they don't know anything. I know more than they all" J Smith History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 289   "No man can learn you more than what I have to

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there? DAVEH:  No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH:  ???   How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have hear

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: The Bible says " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" Do you have contradictory Further revelation, Dave? DAVEH:  I agree.judgment will follow death.  I just believe it will happen after the Millennium for most.  When do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-22 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: So back to your question what specific "behavior" do you want me to comment on? What are their "ANTICS" as you put it? DAVEH:   Waving underwear seems to be an antic, to me.   Why does the City (LDS Mayor, LDS city Board) think they need to PROTECT the SP's fro

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Thanx for your considerate and informative answer, DavidM.  David Miller wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: Do you think the street preachers who go out of their way to create controversy, ever consider the effect their antics may have on the non-believers? Yes, many o

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
TERRY SAYS The first is that every Christian can expect to be mocked or persecuted for telling others what they believe. The  next was that we are told to be ready anytime, anywhere to tell anyone what we believe, and finally, we are to let our light shine, not hide it under a bushel. If you believ

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
ry 21, 2005 12:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH:  No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH:  ???   How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it w

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
It's good to have a little comic relief on TT. Thanks to both of you. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 21, 2005 12:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Have you

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH:  No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH:  ???   How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper. Is that Tale Bearing? How do you feel about repeating what

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
So back to your question what specific "behavior" do you want me to comment on? What are their "ANTICS" as you put it?   Why does the City (LDS Mayor, LDS city Board) think they need to PROTECT the SP's from the Mormons? Ehat does that say about LDS?   On the other hand Maybe they do want to PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Bible says " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" Do you have contradictory Further revelation, Dave?Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>Lance Muir wrote:>>>Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lance Muir wrote: Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the 'whole' Christian Church. DAVEH: Are there any of the big box Protestant churches that

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:35:16 -0500 Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.'

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Dave:RCC at least. They are most assuredly within the Christian Church. Others maybe? - Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 21, 2005 10:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? > > > Lance Muir wrote: > &g

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Dave Hansen
Lance Muir wrote: Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the 'whole' Christian Church. DAVEH: Are there any of the big box Protestant churches that see it that way, Lance? I'm not sur

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Without a clear picture of what you are talking about it is hard to comment on supposed actions of some SP's Dave are you acussing these SP's of sin? DAVEH:  No Kevin, nor do I recall doing soDo you think I did?   Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there? DAVEH:  No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH:  ???   How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper.

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thanx for answering my questions, and sharing your thoughts on this, Perry. No further comment. Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH: Sure..and, do you understand what I'm saying? Yes. IMHO, being a Christian bears a responsibility to act like a Christian. And everyone has their own

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
To: Sent: January 21, 2005 09:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? > > >DAVEH: Sure..and, do you understand what I'm saying? > > Yes. > > >IMHO, being a Christian bears a responsibility to act like a Christian. > > And everyone has their own p

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread David Miller
Dave Hansen wrote: > Do you think the street preachers who go out > of their way to create controversy, ever consider > the effect their antics may have on the non-believers? Yes, many of us do. Some street preachers are rather individualistic, and I wonder myself sometimes if they ever try and

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH: So Perry, am I to understand from your below comments, that as long as I remain LDS and a TTer, you will not be willing to discuss theology without contention? If my speaking the truth causes contention, then I guess that is the way it is meant to

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DAVEH: Sure..and, do you understand what I'm saying? Yes. IMHO, being a Christian bears a responsibility to act like a Christian. And everyone has their own perception of what that behavior is. One thing you must consider is that in the LDS scheme everyone gets a second chance to hear the g

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
  Maybe you can tell me if street preachers who push the envelope ever pre-consider the effect their actions may have on the non-believers?  I'd like to think that they give careful thought as to how the Lord wants them to preach.   Do you know if they do, Kevin?     LOL.sounds like he may be a

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: I generally do not discuss outside the temple, that which we do in the temple, other than to acknowledge some of the ordinances and the reasons we do them. As you may appreciate, even when not directly discussing these matters in TT, there seems to be great enthusiasm

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Is contention of the DEVIL as LDS say? Is NON contention a Binlical Mandate or just a LDS one? Is NON contention a TT rule or just a personal preference?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: So Perry, am I to understand from your below comments, that as long as I remain LDS and a TTer, you

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Without a clear picture of what you are talking about it is hard to comment on supposed actions of some SP's Dave are you acussing these SP's of sin?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH,  Somethin

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVE I have read your comments below. You seem to think we are a bad witness. DAVEH:  Did I say that?  I probably don't use witness in quite the same way as you would.  I would probably substitute representative for witness.  But KevinI'm just thinking out loud on

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  I generally do not discuss outside the temple, that which we do in the temple, other than to acknowledge some of the ordinances and the reasons we do them.  As you may appreciate, even when not directly discussing these matters in TT, there seems to be great enthusiasm by some to discre

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: So Perry, am I to understand from your below comments, that as long as I remain LDS and a TTer, you will not be willing to discuss theology without contention? I've heard it said that LDS folks are cliquish, and don't mix well with other Christians. Have you ever wondered why? An

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH,  Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
Really? Uh-oham I gonna get a spanking??? Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 18.56 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh, boy, Kay--did you ever

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
y.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Me

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > >>DaveH, >> >> Something is being twi

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
Hehehe...homegrown sheep are the best   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 08.22To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Ohh

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:56:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:16 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Now David, Think about it, how could he answer that if he already took a secret oath not to reveal anything? Besides it is too Sacred.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perry wrote:> ... the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords,> names, and penalties they are told they will suffer> if t

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
alf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   FWIW, I am for any kind of evangelism that works.  Beat ‘em over the head, friendship, tracts, Whatever! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > ... the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords, > names, and penalties they are told they will suffer > if they reveal the secret pagan rituals of the temple. Dave Hansen, I would like to hear your take on Perry's comment. You have been a Mormon for 50 years. Do you have a

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? *REPRIMAND*

2005-01-20 Thread David Miller
s.   David Miller TruthTalk Moderator  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?     On Thu, 20 Jan

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, I know you did not address your response to me, but when you talk about "some TTrs" below, I am probablyi n that group and would like to clarify one thing. From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be /peace /between some TTers and me, o

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   FWIW, I am for any kind of evangelism that works.  Beat ‘em over the head, friendship, tracts, Whatever! Izzy   F

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   Judy Taylor wrote:     On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher.   He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall sayi

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   Judy Taylor wrote:     On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher.   He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
, 2005 7:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   jt: No I don't believe that a believer can be completely demon possessed. I'd say she was extremely oppressed. She was diagnosed as manic depressive.

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:16 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Hansen
Judy Taylor wrote:     On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher.   He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard).  Crowds followed Him and presented op

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Good Morning Bill:   I believe that everything you say below is true in the natural sense but Jesus was using the natural to explain spiritual realities and because the scriptures can not contradict -   I have to believe that everyone has had their name written in the Lamb's Book of Life sin

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:42:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pack it up, Liberal Triad  --   Izzy has struck a mortal blow. DAVEH:   I think your typowriter has goofed, John.  Perhaps this is what you meant to say.. Rack it up, Liberal stud  --   Izzy has struck

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for. I don't see Jesus or the apostles taking questions an

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
junkies.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?  

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? That one may have been out in the pigpen for a season but the very fact

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
So your believing friend was demon possessed? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:36 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 5:13:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Why is it that schizophrenic paranoids are always talking about scriptures/God? Has always seemed very demonic to me. So how do drugs modulate demonsâso itâs gotta be a physical chemical thing.  The

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   They aren't much into "testing the spirits&q

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   The kind you eat! :)   Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 08.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
The kind you eat! :)   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 08.08To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? How sad!!! We need sheep

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
5:57 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   There are also lots of them in jails. When I worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many of them were indeed possessed. Oh, boy, this can raise lots of

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   We didn't need our dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Keep in mind that Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the “orthodox” theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate God’s Word.  Izzy Pack it up, Liberal Triad  --   Izzy has struck a mortal blow.   LOL! (Well, I thought so.) “-)  Izzy  

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Speaking of which—are there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic?  Today while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
;ll be getting sheep again soon   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.03To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? [Debbie] Don't yo

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
You have groups two different people. You have the hypocrites and you have the invalidators. They are not necessarily the same monster.   -- slade -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 23.39Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
ï To be carnally minded is death, to be spiritually minded is life and peace   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:35:36 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 8:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keep in

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher.   He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard).  Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching becaus

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 8:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Â Keep in mind that Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the âorthodoxâ theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate Godâs Word

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH:   Well Kevin, you do have an interesting perspective on the use of logic.  Just so there aren't any misconceptions about the opinions I post on TT.     You are right, KevinI am not an official spokesman for the LDS Church.  When you or other

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
disparage. Perry >From: Dave Hansen >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800 > >DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how &g

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800 DAVEH:   I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Chri

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
t to do something because of their concern about the image they are portraying of Jesus to the non-Christians? So farI don't recall anybody answering that question, though I've asked it several times. Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mai

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? And if the use of 'sheep' distracts people from the point and tempts them with irrelevant s

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 8:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Keep in mind that Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the âorthodoxâ theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate Godâs Word.  Izzy Pack it up, Liberal Triad 

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 10:28:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:44 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher.   He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple c

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed. [Debbie]  That's true.   I Cor 3:7-8 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. Now he who plants and he who water

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
7:44 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   I agree. The message threatened the Sadducean leadership. What would happen to their tenuous hold on the Temple Service when there was no legitimate claim to the High Priesthood? The Messiah, according to

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed. [Debbie]  That's true.

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
t cultural appropriateness matters.   Debbie  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:23 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I believe I can show an abundance of Verses outlining God'

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
ou do the same thing with John the Lutheran?   I see neither of these as Street Preachers. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
erated Slade: Why would you "upbraid" me?   -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.41Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Slade- How is this a rebuke?   Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart, but I might get mode

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
As always -- Christ's life defines what he had to say.  John In a message dated 1/19/2005 1:45:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ told us to "GO YE into ALL the World, and preach the gospel to EVERY creature" Mark 16:15 As our example he went through "EVER

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 2:16:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I often wonder who on TT is having a little nip while writing those belligerent postsâ(other than JD). J Izzy whadidchouseybout -hic - me ?

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
AIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David MillerSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 10.51To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?Slade wrote:> I believe you missed Dave's point.> The Street Preachers are there to rid> the adherents of their false doctrine,> but

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
to witness to them? Why not? I am saying that a lot of street preachingprobably feels like that to many people. That's all.Debbie-Original Message-From: David Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:31 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Truth

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
? That's pretty incredible.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.49To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I would not say I was a wild man, but o

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I have HOMO PHOBE Genes, I was born this way, can't help it.Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's an interesting term.   -- slade -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.42Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
garments of the High Priest!   No wonder they tried to find false witnesses to speak against Him.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.35Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?He was not killed because he broke with convention

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
thTalk] What is a Christian? Do Jews spend every day of the feast of tabernacles in the temple? Or in Booths? JN 7 in the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple The occurrence we are talking about was a different day JN 7 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
- From: Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist wa

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 3:32:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie wrote: >I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle. Not at all.   He was not killed because he broke with convention, in

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
proclaimed as He did!   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.27To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Do Jews spend every day of the

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
thTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Does it really matter how many get Saved, how many Timothies I have? If you really want to know I could tell you but I feel that you already have it settled in your mind. If Jesus was not a SP, could you explain why Jesus stands up in the mid

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
nesday, January 19, 2005 4:49 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   I would not say I was a wild man, but on Dec 12 1972 when the preacher told me about sin I knew that was me. No doubt about it. I was a sinner.   Further I would consider myself very m

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
No they didn't! Their words very VERY MUCH culturally oriented and appropriate! -- slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.31 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Debbie wrote: > I still believe that cultural appropriateness

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Age 50 I was saved on December 12th  1972Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin.   So I can better know

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
That's an interesting term.   -- slade -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.42Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I define myself, personally, as a "homo-revolted".  Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
anuary 19, 2005 5:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? [Debbie] Don't you sometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does the dog m

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I usually refrain from offering an amen to posts, but this is some really fantastic dialogue, Kevin.  THANK YOU.  You really express yourself well.  A hearty amen from me to all you said here.   I would like to point out also to others that I met Kev

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread ttxpress
makes sense always waiting to see that they'll crack down most everyone but you   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:40:34 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || (Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeff’s blatant ad hominem.)  ||

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Does it really matter how many get Saved, how many Timothies I have? If you really want to know I could tell you but I feel that you already have it settled in your mind. If Jesus was not a SP, could you explain why Jesus stands

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Debbie Sawczak
2005 6:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Debbie wrote: > I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your spe

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