and this why
cultic-apostolic problem solvingis lucrative
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:31:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whoa -- next Perry tells us to "cool it," maybe, just maybe,
we should listen.
You're freakin us out, Perry.
jd :-)
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..for
them
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:16:37 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and this why
cultic-apostolic problem solvingis lucrative
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:31:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whoa -- next Perry tells us to "cool it," maybe, just
maybe, we should listen.
Dear John,
Somehow we need to stop wrangling over minutiae.
We seem to agree that apostles had special signs and wonders that
characterized their office. Where we seem to differ is in our perspective
of how they were our example. You cast the apostles into an icon of the
past, as a class of
Izzy is NOT the most caustic. Someone breaks the ad hominem rule and calls
me a foul name that I cannot even repeat in good conscience, and Izzy is so
upset by it that she wants to leave the list, and you call her the most
caustic among us? Shame on you. Izzy has more love flowing through
ROFLOL! Perry, just when we needed a good laugh, you come through with
this. What a good moderator you are. :-)
David M.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] How
Agreed. Well done, Perry.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 31, 2005 08:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] How to leave TT (was: Unsubscribe please)
ROFLOL! Perry, just when we needed a good laugh, you come through
I think that Iz would prefer, David, that we not make her departure an
ongoing topic. BUT: I concur that she is NOT the most caustic. Why do what
you do best? Define 'caustic' then, review her posts over the past year.
She'd get much more than an honorable mention, David.
Further:Please be
Thank you for this kind parting remark to my personal email, jd. Perfect
confirmation that I am doing the right thing. Blessings, izzy
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You know, I actually gave my comment some thought. But, as I readher final post, I realized that I needed to make my point. I will not discuss it further, David, since she is gone (she has left before, by the way.) I have as much fondness of her and she has expressed towards me. Just being
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear John, Somehow we need to stop wrangling over minutiae. I would love nothing more than to stay on topic. We seem to agree that apostles had special signs and wonders that characterized their office.
myth (someone
manufactured this explanation--Izzy citedother mythological
reasons)
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:03:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Someone breaks the ad hominem rule ..and Izzy is so upset
by it that she wants to leave the list,
in context, the
essence of current compound/ed cultic-apostolic myth:
"..I have been
wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here." --
Izzy
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:17:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
myth (someone
manufactured this explanation--Izzy citedother mythological
..cultic-apostolic
theory rules from the right of the right
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:31:58 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
in context, the
essence of current compound/ed cultic-apostolic myth:
"..I have been
wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here." --
Izzy
On
..whoever
intelligently disagrees is left
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:46:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..cultic-apostolic theory rules from the right of the
right
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:31:58 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
in context, the
essence of current compound/ed
"..I have been
wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here." --
Izzy
myth ("I have been wasting my time throwing
pearls before swine here")
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:03:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"Izzy has
more love flowing through her little pinky finger at this very moment than most
people will ever experience in their whole lifetime on
..ftr, Mormanizm is
right:)
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:22 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..whoever
intelligently disagrees is left
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:46:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..cultic-apostolic theory rules from the right of the
right
On Sat,
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:06:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I have been wasting my time
throwing pearls before swine here"..
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:03:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"Izzy
has more [limbaugh]love flowing through her little pinky
finger at
And therein is its limitation. Right?
jd
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..cultic-apostolic theory rules from the right of the right
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:31:58 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
in context, the essence of current compound/ed
"Izzy has more [limbaugh]love flowing through her little pinky
finger at this very moment than most people will ever experience in their
whole lifetime on earth."
"..[partic while] a .50 caliber round into the heart of
somebody you don't even know is the essence of yourfeminine
right, somewhere
therein :)
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:17 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And therein is its limitation. Right?
jd
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..cultic-apostolic theory rules from the right of the
right
DAVEH: WOWWhat are you doing, G.trying to set a new TT
record for the number of times you can respond to your own
posts!?!?!?!? =-O
BTW...Of course Mormanizm is right...that's why I
feel so comfortable, even when amongst friends who are left of
right.
:-D
[EMAIL
his 14-year old mother, Mary
DAVEH: Is it commonly believed by many Christians that Mary was only
14 when she gave birth to our Savior?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dec. 25, 2005
JEWISH INFANT DISCOVERED IN BARN
infant child named
yes, its clear,
Bro, rightizm iz like Naziism
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:58:40 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
||
..Of course Mormanizm is right...that's why I feel so
comfortable..amongst friends who are left of right...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..ftr,
acc to the NT, how
many wives didMary's husbandown?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:09:41 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
his 14-year old mother, MaryDAVEH:
Is it commonly believed by many Christians that Mary was only 14 when she gave
birth to our Savior?ShieldsFamily wrote:
Don't get too excited, DH. Miller is just having another one of his "wherefore art thou" moments. He actually believes in the very same scriptures the rest of do. He just wants to be differenct from me.
Where youseethe myopic, I see the the ability of God to get things done and the power to
...loyally snipin'
some of uswith machine guns
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:10:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yes, its clear,
Bro, rightizm iz like Naziism
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:58:40 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
||
..Of course Mormanizm is right...that's
It is perhaps perplexing to them why you would so adamantly argue that the
Scriptures have been closed.
DAVEH: Yes DavidM, that is correct.Such does perplex us. I'm
suspect there may be other reasons as well, but it almost seems that
the argument for closure is just a knee jerk
..Naziism started
in the German labor movement--Hitler, with his certainJS-like
qualitieswas firsta labor/er's
philosopher-politico
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:10:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yes, its clear,
Bro, rightizm iz like Naziism
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:58:40 -0800 Dave
..and
why?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:16:19 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
acc to the NT,
how many wives didMary's husbandown?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:09:41 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
his 14-year old mother, MaryDAVEH:
Is it commonly believed by many Christians that
..then they said
they got right with the lord--check out their propaganda,
too
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:24:21 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..Naziism started
in the German labor movement--Hitler, with his certainJS-like
qualitieswas firsta labor/er's
philosopher-politico
On
DAVEH: Isn't it interesting that you would want to limit the
discussion to the NT, G. Wouldn't that make you a bit myopic?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
acc
to the NT, how many wives didMary's husbandown?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:09:41 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
his
yes,
its clear, Bro
DAVEH: Seems only to be clear to those who are myopic, IMO.
Nice play on words, G.I'm sure iz would
be rightly
proud of you! ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes,
its clear, Bro, rightizm iz like Naziism
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:58:40 -0800 Dave [EMAIL
Dave,
It is not additional revelation that we object to, per se, and many (if
not most) Christians feel that if it is in God's will, additional revelation
would be welcome. And to many, additional personal revelation is accepted.
Many of us believe that the gospel of Jesus Christ is
He actually believes in the very same scriptures the rest of do.
DAVEH: As I understand DavidM, he believes prophets exist today. Is
that the way you believe as well, Bishop?
From your posts, I was under the impression that you believe the
heavens are closed, and there is no need for
DAVEH: Given a chance to become Mormon, I suspect Hitler would feel
more comfortable remaining a Protestant.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..Naziism
started in the German labor movement--Hitler, with his certainJS-like
qualitieswas firsta labor/er's philosopher-politico
On Sat,
In an early writing (c. AD 150) called The Proto-Gospel of James, Mary was
betrothed at 12, and became pregnant with Jesus at 16. (Lost Scriptures,
by Bart D. Ehrman. Oxford University Press, Inc. NY 2003).
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To:
It is not additional revelation that we object to, per se, and
many (if not most) Christians feel that if it is in God's will,
additional revelation would be welcome.
DAVEH: That isn't the way I've understood most Protestants to
believe. If so, then why is there such a reluctance to add to
DAVEH: Thank you for your straight forward answer on this, Perry. Is
there another contrasting source that would suggest the age of 14, as is
implied in Izzy's post.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
In an early writing (c. AD 150) called The Proto-Gospel of James,
Mary was betrothed at 12,
I have seen only this actual reference...but then again, I haven't read very
many early church documents...I am just getting started in that.
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] How old was Mary?
Date:
to bad he didn't
pursue that option
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:58:14 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Given a chance to become Mormon, I suspect
Hitler would feel more comfortable remaining a Protestant.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..Naziism
started in the German
you're realizg
certain critiquesgotta befocusd--eh?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:54 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yes, its
clear, BroDAVEH: Seems only to be
clear to those who are myopic, IMO. Nice play on
words, G.I'm sure iz would be rightly proud of you!
;-) ||
Don't pretend to understand himJohn. It just encourages him to keep
writing answers to his own comments.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And therein is its limitation. Right?
jd
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
..cultic-apostolic
theory
..(your) evidence
suggests that Mormanism lacks focus--partic, disparages, manipulates the NT,
particagainst Protestants
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you're realizg
certain critiquesgotta befocusd--eh?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:54 -0800 Dave [EMAIL
It is commomly believed that the wise men came to the stable, but they
didn't even come to the same town when they finally arrived more than
two years later.
Dave wrote:
his 14-year old mother, Mary
DAVEH: Is it commonly believed by many Christians that Mary was only
14 when
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: As I understand DavidM, he believes prophets exist today. Is
that the way you believe as well, Bishop?
=
Profits exist almost everywhere today, except, of course, in my shop.
Dave,
Adding to the word is very dangerous business. If one is to believe Jude
3, and Hebrews 1-2, then one would logically assume that scripture is
complete. The operative point in our discussion is not that Christians would
or would not welcome new revelation...I beleive that most would
So, Terry, you are running a non-prophet business?
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:34:25 -0600
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: As I understand DavidM,
G, bad is not a verb, so the infinitive form to bad does not work here.
:-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:08:36 -0700
to bad he didn't pursue that option
On
Dave,
I am going to pull a G here and augment my own post...
Below is a reference to a page that begins to discuss some of the tests
of canonicity. For a fuller discussion I recommend A General Introduction
to the Bible by Norman Geisler and William Nix.
Lance
DAVEH: Howevertoo bad might be a good description of
Hitler. ;-)
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
G, "bad" is not a verb, so the infinitive form "to bad" does not work
here. :-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
DAVEH: Why should he bother, when Protestantism fulfilled his needs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to
bad he didn't pursue that option
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:58:14 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Given a chance to become Mormon, I suspect Hitler would feel
more
DAVEH: It does seem the obvious conclusion, even if it weren't my
opinion.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's
your opinion?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:00:56 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Isn't it interesting that you would want to limit the
discussion to the NT,
Probably; Constantine supposedly christianized pagan
festivals for these two celebrations and now they have
become westernized traditions.
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:02:09 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions which
is
the same
No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously descended from the
time when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity
even untwisted
history can't fathom THAT, let aloneWHY Hitler could form a formal state
church/alliance with the German Catholics under theregime of Pius XII;
regardless, there's a v famous, then contemporary pic ofPius XIIs
Reichs-Bishop among Nazis saluting Hitler at a cathedral in
not really,
Bro--few here think this way butyou--many of your opinions take shape
around (proven) misinformation, at best
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:35:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: It does seem the obvious conclusion, even if it weren't my
opinion.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...ftr,some
theoretically murderous,undoubtedly manipulative Catholicsare trying
to shed the imagery cited,below, of Pius XIIs regime,to be able
tobeatify Pius XII now
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:18:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..Protestants
like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, whom many
..Protestants like
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, whom many now respect even more in retrospect, were
intelligently 'civil disobedient' even unto death in those days; also,in
our day anti-warmovements don't phase Mormans whose officials,
liketypical cult-apostolic politiciansHitler-esque wannabe
jd in blood red
-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] He actually believes in the very same scriptures the rest of do. DAVEH: As I understand DavidM, he believes prophets exist today. Is that the way you believe as well, Bishop? From your posts, I was
Actually, it is supposed to have started with the tower of Babel, and
the master builders who were to construct it.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.
On
Tue, 27 Dec 2005
I can almost hear Terry saying, "save the women and children !!"
Perhaps we need to humor the one who is the maker of bats !!!
jd
-- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't pretend to understand himJohn. It just encourages him to keep writing
Pastor, what do you
thinkDaveH means by this word "Protestants"?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:55:37 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the Mormon rhetoric
"Protestants"
'answers'--eh?
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:24:38 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can almost hear Terry saying, "save the women and children
!!"
Perhaps we need to humor the one who is the maker of bats !!!
jd
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back at you all. .
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lance
If truth be told, info from the hearing of flies on the wall would reveal that "protestant" is a word used by the Mormon faithful as they speak with contempt of the opposing hordes. The public use of the word is one thing -- the private use is another. It is the perfect ad hom .
You could be right. I will pretend to understand him too.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can almost hear Terry saying, "save the women and children !!"
Perhaps we need to humor the one who is the maker of bats !!!
jd
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From: Terry
Original Message
Subject:
Fw: Warning - NOT A JOKE
Date:
Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:58 -0800
From:
cimerron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
cimerron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cimerron sez:
let's keep Thinkin'
Thoughtfully..what(will) certainppl(will)
disclose(?)(.)
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:54:27 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If truth be told, info from the hearing of flies on the wall would
reveal that "protestant" is a word used by the Mormon faithful as they
speak
It is the perfect ad hom . defensible and
accusatory at the same time.
DAVEH: LOL..You guys slay me. If I had used the term, Liberal
Protestants, you might have a reasonable chance of having a valid
argument. But to hear you guys recoil from being thought of as a
DAVEH: Interesting that you would ask somebody who doesn't claim to
read minds to read mine, G. Another example of myopic vision? Seems
like you are looking for answers inside rather than outside the box.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pastor,
what do you thinkDaveH means by this word
DAVEH: Seems like the box is confining your thinking, G.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
not
really, Bro--few here think this way butyou--many of your opinions
take shape around (proven) misinformation, at best
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:35:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
thus,
Bro, Nazisain't Protestant
DAVEH: Your logic is flawed on this, G, and you seem to be stuck in a
box trying desperately to separate Nazism from Protestantism.
When the Nazis seized power in 1933, the Protestant churches had
suffered a decade of steep numerical decline; in that
DAVEH: Thank you for your honest response, Judy.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Probably; Constantine supposedly
christianized pagan festivals for these two celebrations and now they
have
become westernized traditions.
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:02:09 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
not
really--actually, i think believingGodis no man's brain
child,Bro
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:10:29 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Seems like the box is confining your thinking,
G.||
Not what I said at all. I spoke of
additional scripture. No need
for more if it was right to start with.
DAVEH: You are losing me, JD.are you now saying the heavens
are open to further revelation? I'm not trying to put words in your
mouthjust trying to find out what you believe
interestingly, both
statements are true, else there's no way to account for (the) Bonhoeffer(/s},
Bro
..Nazisain't
Protestant
||
Many Protestants [became] Nazi[s].
that
boxRocks, Bro;can you lie your way out of it?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:37:52 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..Protestant[Christianity] has piqued my
curiosity.
The operative point in our discussion is not that Christians would
or would not welcome new revelation...
DAVEH: To me, it is a very pertinent point. You made the claim, and
from my experience it is not a claim I've heard any Christians
previously make. If what you say is true, then it should
DAVEH: Do you consider yourself to be a Protestant, G?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..(your)
evidence suggests that Mormanism lacks focus--partic, disparages,
manipulates the NT, particagainst Protestants
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you're
http://answers.org/theology/add_to_scripture.html
DAVEH: Is the guy who wrote this serious? And...do you
subscribe to his logic, Perry? Rom 15:
[19] Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of
God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have
DAVEH: If you don't mind speculating, DavidM...Do you feel that
Mary would have felt comfortable wearing the cross as jewelery?
David Miller wrote:
Most of these comments are not concerning the primitive church
(1st century / early 2nd century), and they tend to focus
DAVEH: The way you said that, it somewhat implies you think you have
no biases, DavidM. :-\
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
What bis with this CE nonsense? It is Anno Domini,
the year of our Lord..If you have a Lord.
CE is for Lost sinners, not saved ones.
DAVEH: No need to do so, G.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that
boxRocks, Bro;can you lie your way out of it?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:37:52 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..Protestant[Christianity] has piqued my curiosity.
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