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DAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel
compelled to argue with you, Kevin.
Don't want to "argue"?
TRUTH is always able to withstand Public scrutiny!
Maybe, you can call me names (like the other
LDS quoted below much more available
, 2006 21:41 Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Hell BoMDAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel compelled to argue with you, Kevin.Don't want to "argue"? TRUTH is always able to withstand Public scrutiny! Maybe, you can call me names (like the other LDS quoted below much more available on req
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoMDAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.ShieldsFamily wrote: What is the positive message about hell? i
Amen, Brother Kevin! iz
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CONTENTION is of the Devil
3 Ne 11 And according as I have
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DAVEH: The Lord has provided
a way for us to avoid it.
LOL!
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To avoid
WHAT?
DAVEH: Contention perhaps, such as is commonly found here
: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
DAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
What is the positive message about hell? iz
*Do you ever warn people about the FIRE
-- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dave Hansen *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AM *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoMDAVEH: The Lord h
- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dave Hansen *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AM *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoMDAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it. ShieldsFamily wrote:What is the positive
: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
What this reminds me of is when the Pharisees complained about Jesus
healing on the Sabbath. My daughter is healed now, and she is happy, I'm
happy, my wife is happy, everybody is happy except for these 3 people who came
together and talked about how disturbing my post
David:Will you tell us something about the 'church' you're a part of. What
is your role in that 'church'?
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Lance and cohorts
I understand that a lot of agreement exists between Benny Hinn and Kenneth
Copeland. So?
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From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: March 19, 2006 22:40
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The problem with you, Lance, is that you
: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:20 AM
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I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did not respond, David.
What
we (most believers) have here is a failure to communicate with you (your
sect). You cite
ot;David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
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BoMDave, for what it is worth, your
view of hell is also shared by many Protestants.
In fact, a very well known hell fire and brimestone
preacher by t
What is the "Word of Faith" approach
Lance?
Just because there are a few nuts and flakes out there
will you throw all healing down the
drain with them? This is why the church in
general has so many sick ppl. Sin is not understood or dealt with
most of the time because we don't want to
To avoid WHAT? That nice, positive place?
iz
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DAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to
avoid
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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I understand that a lot of agreement exists between Benny Hinn and Kenneth
Copeland. So?
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Oh, Jude, youre on a roll.:-)
izzy
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What is the Word of Faith
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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[TruthTalk] Hell BoM
DAVEH: The Lord has provided
a way for us to
avoid it.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
What is the
positive message about hell? iz
Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of
hell?
DAVEH: No, I don't do much
this. Amen, I guess, for consistency if nothing else.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: March 18, 2006 16:11
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Dave, for what it is worth, your view of hell is also shared by many
Protestants
David Miller wrote:
Do you ever warn people about
the FIRE of hell?
DAVEH wrote:
No, I don't do much preaching, and when
I doI prefer to be more positive in my
approach.
I guess the LDS organization has not restored the church then, eh? You are
not doing what the early church did.
: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
David Miller wrote:
Do you ever warn people about
the FIRE of hell?
DAVEH wrote:
No, I don't do much preaching, and when
I doI prefer to be more positive in my
approach.
I guess the LDS organization has not restored the church then, eh? You
are
not doing what the early
Lance wrote:
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing
the commandments of God'. Everyone
(including you along with all of those within
your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments
of God', David.
You appear to be using the word sect here rather loosely. I'm
anti-sectarian, remember?
say 'look in the mirror.
At least our concern seems mutual. :)
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: March 19, 2006 07:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
Lance wrote:
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing
spirit as they did.
David Miller
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
You, David, may be DOING what the early church DID without MEANING what the
early church MEANT
making erroneous judgments about me.
David Miller
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
I have read all of these passages numerous times. Yes, I do read the Bible
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:00:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Like it or not David, you are co-leader of a sectarian
group.
Can you justify this announcement Lance by giving us a
list of
the various sects that comprise this group?
Mormon is obvious,
what are the others.
You are not doing what the early church didDM brings up a great point. Since the LDS are a RESTORATION of the Early Church, why are you are not doing what the early church did?I checked the word CONFOUND and it seems to be the Spirit of God come upon the characters in the BoM etc. Yet it
David could 'justify' this truth better than I,
Judy.
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Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 08:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:00:09
(i.e.
philosophers who employ logic without falling prey to rationalism).
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 08:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
Well, perhaps I should have kept that to myself, or shared
What truth do you refer toLance?
Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group
because he encourages his daughter
to believe God to speed healing of herwrist and
relieve the pain? or
Because there are many religious sects on this TT
list?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:13:20 -0500 "Lance Muir"
No!
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Judy
Taylor
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Sent: March 19, 2006 08:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
What truth do you refer toLance?
Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group
ophers who employ logic without falling prey to rationalism).
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
March 19, 2006 08:08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
Well, perhaps I should have kept that to myself, or shared privately
with a few others
As to the former, I agree. As to the latter, that's
what I'm suggesting to David but, he seems not to want engagement at that
level.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 08:31
Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
'knew that they knew'!!
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: March 19, 2006 08:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
Your suggestion is a possibility if my speaking was a matter of trying to
imitate the early Christians
e early believers, I know that I am walking in the
same spirit as they did. David
Miller - Original Message -
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Hell BoMYou, David
It hasn't Judy but, untruth has.
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Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 09:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
Since when has truth been evaluated by how many
lk@mail.innglory.org
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Since when has truth been evaluated by how many
have in the past gotten of the
track and fallen? As sad as that may be every
one will stand or fall before his own
Master.
The tables have been turned! The SP's call the LDS shudder!
DAVEH: Perhaps you are right, Kevin. I know I don't have much fight
in me at the moment. Perhaps the modern LDS people just aren't
conditioned to be contentious, which would explain why some would
rather avoid the SPers rather than
A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like
myself might learn.
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From:
Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM -
confounded LDS
The tables have been turned! The SP's call the LDS
: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did not respond, David. What
we (most believers) have here is a failure to communicate with you (your
sect). You cite
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Judy
Taylor
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:19
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
What truth do you refer toLance?
Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group
because he
.org
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
What truth do you refer toLance?
Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group because he encourages his daughter
to believe God to speed healing of herwrist and relieve the pain? or
Because there are many relig
There is no thing as a NON SECTARIAN unless you meana Unitarian who has no beliefsDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the
But Jesus did not have a command as in DC 71 COMMANDING him to confound. Why all the verses on confounding when to all observers it would seem that it is in reality the LDS who are confounded? Seems the LDS god has called and none have answered. Men women or children. On paper in 1Nep 17 LDS
Where are the valiant ones like in Helaman? LDS don't have even one that believes thier gods words inDC 71?No one believes the promise of DC 71? there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; 10And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confoundedI lift my voice
Riddle me this one Batman!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like myself might learn.- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded
Unitarians, of course, have beliefs.
Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to escape the curse of "Sectarian !!"
Sectarianism refers (usually pejoratively) to a rigid adherence to a particular sect or party or denomination. It often implies discrimination, denunciation, or
OH like Paul For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unitarians, of course, have beliefs.Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to
engagement at that level.
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From: Judy Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 08:31
Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
David and Lance, why would you have the most interesting discussions
off the list? Do you think the rest of us are too immature or not
You might plead lack of intelligence or that the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist or any number of things, but it is quite simple and true that if you do not keep the commandments, you are not in Christ. Here is the reason that you and I cannot understand one another concerning the
What is the positive message about hell?
iz
Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell?
DAVEH: No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to
be more positive in my approach.
: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:38 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'.
Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David)
'transgresses the commandments of God', David. You
about what real scientists believe. izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:21 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did
Perhaps they enjoy disturbing themselves. Meanwhile,
we rejoice. J izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Miller
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:00
PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
What this reminds me
DAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
What is the
positive message about hell?
iz
Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of
hell?
DAVEH: No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to
be more positive in
Couldn't have said it better myself.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.ShieldsFamily wrote:
What is the positive message about hell? iz
Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of
What does this say about the Power of Mormonism?
DAVEH: I'd respond with..What does this say about the ability
of Kevin to understand what he reads?
As I said before, you seem to know a lot about LDS theology, but
you seem to have a problem understanding it. I can only surmise that
it
I did think from previous encounters that you believed there
was no "literal" Hell.
DAVEH: Quite the contrary. As I view it, hell is the physical
separation from God and his love. The effect of such separation is
similar to how it would feel if you were cast into the burning garbage
dump of
the danger of transgressing the commandments of God?
David Miller
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From: Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM
I did think from previous encounters that you believed there was no
literal Hell
Then perhaps the devil in the verse below is also figurative? What other portions do you find to be FIGURATIVE? What is the figurative significance of "they must go in to the place"? This would seem to imply being sent somewher.In one particular sentence, why is "lake of fire and brimstone"
your view of hell is also shared by many
Protestants.
DAVEH: That is interestingthanx!
Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of
hell?
DAVEH: No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be
more positive in my approach.
David Miller wrote:
Dave, for what it is
DAVEH: You've surprised me, Kevin! I thought you'd want to
defend your position using material favorable to your
perspective...namely, the Bible. But that is OK, as the LDS sources
you've quoted plainly show the symbolism of the terms used to describe
hell. Why you would quote some of them
Then according to your own book you have been decieved by the Devil into thinking there is No literal HellDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: You've surprised me, Kevin! I thought you'd want to defend your position using material favorable to your perspective...namely, the Bible. But that
Kevin wrote:
Then according to your own book you have
been decieved by the Devil into thinking
there is No literal Hell
Hi Kevin.
Why exactly are you convinced that there is a literal hell? Can you present
an argument for a literal hell for us?
David Miller
--
Let your speech be
you have been decieved by the Devil
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree with you on that, Kevin. Quite the
contraryIn reality, I've been enlightened by a fellow TTer!
I don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand my
position on this, Kevin. I do believe in a literal
I am sorry I did think from previous encounters that you believed there was no "literal" Hell. Are you saying then that it is not a place? It is not physical? When someone uses the term Literal that is synonomous with physical, perhaps, therein lies the confusion.If this "literal" Hell you
Jacob 6:10 And according to the power of justice, for justice cannot be denied, ye must go away into that lake of fire and brimstone, whose flames are unquenchable, and whosesmoke ascendeth up forever and ever, which lake of fire and brimstone is endless torment.Alma 5:51-52 And also the
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