Not in the Revised Gary Edition. (RGE) In that edition, sleeping with your
daughters comes under the heading of walking with God, and not being under
the Law. :-) Izzy
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Hi Izzy. I was on your family website, and read your statement of faith,
which, of course, is a reprint of that of your church. I was particulary
interested in whether that statement mentioned that Christians are under the
law or under grace, i.e., under the old covenant or the new covenant.
Gen
6:9
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P. Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:the verse that tells about Noah walking
withGod?
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his offspring "
apologies for the
confusion--sorry, my bad
--
regardless, the main point endures--(already
'righteous') Noah didn't gain from following laws
and he knew
Perry,
Obviously I am saved by the grace of God through faith in the shed Blood of
Jesus Christ. Not one thing I do can erase a single sin from my life. She
who is forgiven much, loves much, and I have been forgiven of much! I never
claimed to be under the Law as you and your
Thanks. I read right over it.
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Gen 6:9
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Izzy,
Thanks for the response. My mother has been a quilter since I was a tyke,
and my wife has recently taken up quilting. I look forward to seeing them on
you website.
I agree with most that you say, and am not really
itching-for-an-argument. There are several in this group that feel
the title of the
thread, above, captures the dark side of the issue--which plagues legalism; let's not stray too far from the
topic
e.g., re: below, but what do you do when you
'disobey'?
unfortunately 'righteous' but law abidin' Noah
cursed his family (partic Ham)
why not repent(?); God
Of course I repent when I sin. Is that the question? Izzy
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PS; Your wife and I need to talk! (about quilting; not you!) Izzy
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I live in Corona...if you take the 10 east out of PS, to Hwy 91, then go
about 25 miles on the 91 S (to the Interstate 15 intersection) you are in
Corona. I am 35 minutes from Newport Beach.
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I AM NOT THE LEAST BIT JEALOUS. :-) How did you get so darned lucky to live
there Izzy
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Of course I repent when I sin. Is
that the question? Izzy
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Perry,
Obviously I am saved by the grace of God through faith in the shed Blood of
Jesus Christ. Not one thing I do can erase a single sin from my life. "She
who is forgiven much, loves much," and I have
I cannot help your enmity against God's law.
Because the carnal mind [is]
enmity against God: for it is
not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.ROM 8:7
You will either love Him, or your own image of Him which
is idolatry.
Little
children, keep yourselves from idols.
g, What does that mean to you? That
they took walks together? How do you interpret that? Izzy
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that Noah
walked with God
..[your] carnal mind is enmity against God..--Marlin to g
ok, maybe it is or, perhaps, was; however, i doubt anyones' mind is/was more or less
carnal than Noah's
and Noah did not gain from following laws
think about it, e.G.:
when did Noah get drunk and sleep with his offspring (acc to
Can someone refer me to the verse that tells about Noah walking with God? I
remember that Adam did, and Enoch did, but I don't remember reading that
Noah did.
Perry
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Wasn't that Lot that got drunk and slept with his daughters? Didn't Noah
just expose his nakedness? I need a scripture reference for when did Noah
get drunk and sleep with his offspring please.
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Charles:
It was Lot, not Noah.
Terry
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Wasn't that Lot that got drunk and slept with
All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is not
there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
Terry
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The book does not state whether it is pre- or ante- deluvial, but mentioned
that the Noahide Law is also called the Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah in
the Talmudic and Midrashic sources. This might suggest that it is
antediluvial.
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g wrote:
which side of the deluge did this come from?
The Noahide laws were deduced from a study of Gen. 9, which would be after
the deluge. This is the first time we find murder being a capital offense.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
--
Let your speech
Ah, I am not certain that I get your point,but Paul tells us
that the OT has value for us all. It is all
about the Jews, but it is also about a promised savior. If it (OT)
were not important, Matthew would not have started with
the geneology of Jesus.
To me, every word in The Word is
Galatians 3
29 And if (1) you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants,
heirs according to (2) promise.
Izzy
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Amen, Terry. Izzy
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claim the law is not a curse is to sin
Ah, I am not
I do not at all downplay the importance of the OT, but throughout the NT the
new covenant is mentioned by Christ, and discussed extensively by the
Apostles. When there is a new covenant the old covenant disappears (Heb
8:13), does it not? Why have a new covenant if nothing has changed from
the
Hey Marlin. I cannot believe it. We actually agree on something!
Terry
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
The Jews are only one of several tribes originating from the seed ofAbraham! The "OT" is a history of the origins of all people, from Adamonward,
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writes: g wrote: ..which side of the deluge
did this come from?
[DavidM:]The Noahide laws were
deduced from a study of Gen. 9, which would be after the
deluge.
Then,as the Apostles argue (correctly)
about themselves
What a gift the law is! It clearly defines
evil. But, with or without the written law, men have always been
responsible for knowing in his conscience good and evil. Men have chosen
evil to their own hurt.
GEN 3:22 ΒΆ And the LORD God said,
Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know
The old covenant promissed the new covenant, therefore the latter is the
result of the former, but with better promisses. We are not only promissed
long life for obedience, but eternal life. We are not only promissed
blessings and persecutions in this life for obedience, but in the life to
come,
that Noah walked with God ain't good enough for you, Marlin(?); what are you tryin' to do, be more Christian than
Christ?
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What a gift the law is!
When was the Sabbath created?
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I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have
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