Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
IMO God privileges the ear. We all have the capacity to hear well Also, the tacit dimension of knowing comes in to play here. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Just how wide do you wish the door open, scientifically speaking? This issue is akin to the 'prayer in school' issue. (Goose gander thingy) - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
I thought not but, thanks for the candid confirmation. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 17:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh Lance wrote: Would you apply the word 'bias' equally to yourself and, to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Either that or, you are a TOTALLY IGNORANT BAPTIST. I've made MY choice, Kevin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 17:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Is KD a pseudonym for

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Whatever 'YOUR JOB' is Kevin, y'all ain't bin doin' it all that well AT TT! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 18:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Both your presuppositions and your deductions are available to be seen. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 19:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism So I prefer the concept of

Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Ah David, is YOUR BIAS GOD'S BIAS? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 19:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh Hear that, Judy. Who would have believed you to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Gettin' better and better! Why did you save the best for last? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Linda, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
I'm humbled at your objectivity, Kevin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Christian roots of our public education system No but

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
The archbishop + nothing = first rate teaching. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 00:01 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What do I believe about

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:I totally concur. That is why Judy and yourself are so frequently in sinc with David. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 22:59 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Still no. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance? JD? izzy -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Sorry David but, here's another pat on the back from Iz to offset my remark. Better now? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Lance, It seems

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
You may feel to teach them that the universe is geocentric if you like. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism I’m so thankful that my 4

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Like the storm thingy, the twin tower thingy, the arabs-in-general thingy...etc. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism I was once interviewed on Pat

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
It does. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism It is also absurd that someone who claims to believe that all truth comes from God would not consider

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
A book truly perceptive re: human nature. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:12 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Why is this so hauntingly reminiscent of communication

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Interpretation/interpolation/speculation re:Genesis leads one to that which one has just witnessed over the last week or so. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 17:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Censorship you say, David? TT just fired a censor? Christians can be no more trusted than anyone else. I'd not expect you to agree on this though in granting 'Senator' CDM a stint you illustrated my point. - Original Message - From: David Miller To:

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Keep this triadic structure in mind: God/World/Man. Reality/truth is the objective. If the foregoing is applicable to a scientific endeavour then, bring it with you. In 'reality' one cannot avoid 'reality' in pursuit of the truth.. - Original Message - From: David Miller

[TruthTalk] Divine Contingent Order

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
When one seeks to apply the latter onto the former one is simply stymied. In failing to apprehend this one bangs one's head against the proverbial wall.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Facts stand the test better than Feelings.And as always the deeper things belong to UR MUTHA WEARS COMBAT BOOTSLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either that or, you are a TOTALLY IGNORANT BAPTIST. I've made MY choice, Kevin.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
If you do not KNOW what it is how can you make a value judgement on it?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever 'YOUR JOB' is Kevin, y'all ain't bin doin' it all that well AT TT!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Did you find the GREEN one?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you just 'mean' something? Now I'd suggest another documentary which I watched last evening; 'Wrong-eyed Jesus'- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Divine Contingent Order

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Was it a BIG Bang?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When one seeks to apply the latter onto the former one is simply stymied. In failing to apprehend this one bangs one's head against the proverbial wall. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo!

Re: [TruthTalk] Divine Contingent Order

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
After reading you, I'm inclined toward a YES! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Divine Contingent Order Was it a BIG Bang?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Oh but I do, Kevin. However, I'm not inclined toward 'darkening the corner where you are'. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism If you do not

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks in part to you, I've got some of the facts before me. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Facts stand the test better than Feelings.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
But you are inclined to making baseless assertions.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh but I do, Kevin. However, I'm not inclined toward 'darkening the corner where you are'.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Oh ya? (see how content-filled that is?) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism But you are inclined to making baseless assertions.Lance Muir

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Funny, I would've thought that you and Gary would be best buds. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion Bible N Sword! Here are some interesting

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
If that is so then maybe you skipped the fourth word.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, I would've thought that you and Gary would be best buds.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:04 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Don't look now but Canada is changing - Group Think Gary North would be proud of you folks. He tried to bring in New Geneva and by the looks of it you folks have actually suceeded!Robert Martin,professor of constitutional law at the University of Western Ontario "Canada now is a totalitarian

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
When was the last time on TT you posted more than two sentences? When was at least one of the sentences about those combat boots? Posts of web pages excepted.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh ya? (see how content-filled that is?)- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Less is more. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism When was the last time on TT you posted more than two sentences? When was at least one

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Doncha just love that BOLD PRINT? You, Kevin, take paragraphs to say 'combat boots'! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march Don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
If you, Kevin, said anything that warranted discussion.ZZ - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism Is there any doubt why there is a lack of

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Canadian Guanatamo Better be careful with your social context on the INET Lance! Are you hating an identifiable group? And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I understand it as an attack on me multiple groups of my friends. ; ) Do you have the telE for the Tribunal?Justice in

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Bold print is a walker for those that skim. Don't want you to fall!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doncha just love that BOLD PRINT? You, Kevin, take paragraphs to say 'combat boots'!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/default-en.asp?lang_update=1 I bet they will create a "LEVEL PLAYING FIELD" for the Identifiable group of us "Fundies" on TT Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doncha just love that BOLD PRINT? You, Kevin, take paragraphs to say 'combat boots'!-

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
'FEEL'? You a lib? Does the writing of some contain a coded message? (What I'm saying is sufficiently superficial so as to warrant the reader's contempt so.) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:04

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten commandments.

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Can you FEEL the "Chill Bill" Now? Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canadian Guanatamo Better be careful with your social context on the INET Lance! Are you hating an identifiable group? And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I understand it as an attack on me multiple

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you talking to me, Gary North?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern their

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
You've in no way misrepresented Canada through either your links or your commentary so, I'd ask, having just undergone a lobotomy, what your point is? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:14 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
If I were teaching high school biology right now, I would spend one day out of the whole year to discuss the creation / evolution controversy. I would consider some of the stronger arguments for creation. Furthermore, I would teach them that science considers any mention of a Creator as

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
We will let the courtsdecideLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've in no way misrepresented Canada through either your links or your commentary so, I'd ask, having just undergone a lobotomy, what your point is?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Did you know that 'he' will not repeat that infamous line no matter who asks? So, Kevin, I undertake to write more than 1 line and, you do what you do so well; simply give up a smart-ass reply. It's little wonder that SPers are not well received either in Salt Lake or, anywhere else!

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
David:Want a crowd? Want to make some money? Design a travelling road show which will appear in major cities throughout your nation. Offer up yourself as, what the scientific community would call, the sacrificial lamb on the altar of truth. Contact the leading lights of the scientific

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
She should not teach them that the universe IS geocentric, but she should teach them the geocentric model, evidence for and against it,and its place in thehistory of science and religion. Isn't it strange how science has no problem doing this, but it does have a problem with creation science

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
Correct, and some of this activity proposes empirical predictions that are testable by empirical means. For example, if a model of creation says that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, isn't that a prediction that is testable scientifically? Don't we have empirical clocks to test this

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
Misinformation here, Lance. TruthTalk did not fire anybody. The moderator resigned. I still think he would have done a fine job if he had allowedsome dialogue about what he was doing. I do agree, however, that Christians (and you know how I use thisterm)cannot be trusted anymore than anyone

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
I'd Amen that, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism Misinformation here, Lance. TruthTalk did not fire anybody. The moderator resigned. I still

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
There is much about this list that I like. I remain a political conservative when it comes to the increase of states rights, free enterprise, spending within our means, property rights, and those sort of things. Neither the Republican nor Democrate parties demonstrate values similar to mine in

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Who wouldn't be convinced when one employes terms/expressions such as 'testable by empirical means', 'model of creation..less than 10,000 years old' , 'a prediction that is testable scientifically?' and 'empirical clocks to test this prediction?' Now, why don't you take this on the road?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
No, it is not 'strange'. In most cases 'creation science' reflects neither. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism She should not teach them

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Public education was first offered as an alternaive to Christian education. jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, it is not 'strange'. In most cases 'creation science' reflects neither. - Original Message - From: David

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Dog-gone it all. Why do you say such things??!! Past collegues? You mean those guys you knew 18 years ago before you became a software programer?? Your teachers back in the college days of your youth? jd By the way, every past colleague of mine that I have argued this point, about creationist

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
A guy who thinks "ur mutha wears Combat (let's be sure to capitalized that word) boots" has something to say concerning [real] discussion on TT !!?? Tell me it isn't so. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any doubt why there is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
I have never heard of Gary North, but I see his theology in much that has been written on TT. jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Funny, I would've thought that you and Gary would be best buds. - Original Message - From: Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
You certainly have! (see Iz, Judy, Kevin David) Stage direction: The word 'certainly' should be spoken so as to provide the same emphasis/tone that 'Ollie' had when saying 'here's another fine mess you've gotten me into, Stanley...' - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Yes. Look at Pat Robertson. If he were president, he would be killing heads of state he considers enemies of the [our] state. jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You certainly have! (see Iz, Judy, Kevin David) Stage direction: The word

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
The history of public education is a little more complicated than this. I think the more forceful argument was making education available to those who were not wealthy. The non-sectarian nature of it came in because the originators, men like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Horace Mann,

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
I have seen NOBODY on TruthTalk express the theology of Gary North. You guys sound to me like the way you hearJudy talking authoritatively about Torrance. :-) It is obvious that you do not understand the theology of North and others on TruthTalk. David Miller - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for the footnote confirming John's point. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 10:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism The history of public education is a little more

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
I read his father-in-law's 'Institutes of Biblical Law' (RJR). I read some of North's books. I followed him during the Y2K controversy through his appearances on 'Coast to Coast' with Art Bell. I taped and distributed those shows. (MORE DIRECT ANSWER: I am indeed familiar with the

[TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye

2006-03-24 Thread David Miller
Well, it is Friday. Time to say our goodbyes. I will leave the list up through the weekend to give time for lurkers to catch up and perhaps make their final post. Please bring the other conversations to a close and focus on saying your final farewells. I will start with this one, but I plan

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Except in Canada that is --- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd Amen that, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism Misinformation here, Lance.

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you learned something. He was a leader in the Dominion/Reconstruction movement I believe he was also Rushdoony's Son in Law. The real direction of the movement is slavery or Stoning for those it decides are not right with their concept of God. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never heard

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
First you accuse me of being Gary North and then you tell me you agree with my critique of his philosophy? (see your post below) Which is it Lance? I do not understand such behavior it seems irrational to me. I absolutely am not a ROMAN Papist. Seems to me the Canadian Gov't is on a witch hunt

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
I believe Lance has the more accurate picture of what I was trying to convey. jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read his father-in-law's 'Institutes of Biblical Law' (RJR). I read some of North's books. I followed him during the Y2K

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
IFO can accept this self-characterization. But when your words sound like North's or Paul Hill's, they allow others to see a similarity in your thoughts as compared to the violent thinking of those named above. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Who was the violent one? Rushdooney or his son-in-law? http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sandlin10.html jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] So you learned something. He was a leader in the Dominion/Reconstruction movement I believe he was

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Kevin:It's both I totally agree with your critique. I also 'see' some of that which I critiqued in you. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 12:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

Re: [TruthTalk] and you thought it couldn't get better

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
http://www.millerformayor.ca/

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy Taylor - kind of a surprise !!

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
http://www.starboundranch.com/

Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
can you transfer ownership and just move on?? jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it is Friday. Time to say our goodbyes. I will leave the list up through the weekend to give time for lurkers to catch up and perhaps make their final

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
You didnt answer the question. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:41 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Speaking for myself, I do not think creation(ism) should be taught in schools. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 16:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism You didn’t answer the

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jd, I remember when my oldest son told me (when he was in college) that he was no longer a Believer.   I calmly told him that he was going through a good and necessary stage of life in which he was rejecting what he had been taught as a child so that he could re-evaluate everything for

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
No, I wish I could be with them every day to do that, but I only get to teach them when I visit them out of state. The girls have been reading since they were four years old and are SO smart!!! (Im not biased, either! J ) Since age 6 you could ask Gretchen to read any book, chapter and

RE: [TruthTalk] Parting Wishes

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
I cant wait to see what mighty things you will accomplish for Gods Kingdom in your adulthood, Christine! Hugs and kisses!!! Linda From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Miller Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:47 PM To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools. That's all that's left. Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Fortunately we comprehend the truth since we believe Gods Word. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism You may

RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
And yet you object to such truth being taught to children; favoring something else instead. Pathetic. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
And demonic beings encouraging one another in their strategies. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism A book

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those the words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e. creationism) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Are you aware (seriously) that for a lengthy period people believed God's Word AND believe in a geocentric universe? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 16:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Depending, certainly, upon who stated it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Less is more. -

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
violent thinking is not violent action And who gets elected to be the thought police anyway? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFO can accept this self-characterization. But when your words sound like North's or Paul Hill's, they allow others to see a similarity in your thoughts as compared to

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
If "it" refers to creationism , you didn't read my last paragraph. And I do believe in [my brand of ] creationism --- still don't want it taught in the secular school system. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You didn’t answer the

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
And you accused Kevin of making smart-assed replies??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:51 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Who wouldn't be

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Todays Reconstruntionists would like to forget a thing or two about both of them. But watch out these beliefs run deep and rampant with this crowd! Many believe we are in a spiritual war and during time of war even God overlooks some actions such as lying. qoutes on request. One only needs to do a

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ignorance of facts demonstrated here to the max. Public education WAS religious (Christian) education. I will do the homework and post the truth if I have time before we go down with the TT ship! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Hats off to you , Linda, on this one. It starts with our families. We can yell and scream at each other, here on TT, but some of our decisions can damn our children. Your patience and trust in the Lord is above the call. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily"

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Excellent ! jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I wish I could be with them every day to do that, but I only get to teach them when I visit them out of state. The girls have been reading since they were four years old and are SO

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
My answer is Lance's. In view of that , I will interject this comment -- your alternative is not the only consideration. I do not want the secular system giving review to matters of faith. Nothing good would be accomplished -- and high school kids, by and large, do not "believe in evolution"

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Of course! That is not news I am a terror to some but harmless AFA the physical. It is not SP's that attack. ACTS 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Some get very WROTH: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect.

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