Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

[PGage]

I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with
the NY Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call,
and the Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when
things are that close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.

Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to
retry him in NY.



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On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
> courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
> the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
>> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
>> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
>> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
>> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>  (link)
>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
>> for tossing that conviction...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
>>> of rape
>>> 
>>>  and
>>> sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
>>> Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
>>> disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
>>> James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
>>> 
>>>  with
>>> pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”
>>>
>>> “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that was
>>> on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court in
>>> Albany.
>>>
>>> Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
>>> performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
>>> in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
>>> sentenced
>>> to 23 years in prison
>>> .
>>> Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
>>> 
>>>  of
>>> another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
>>> Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
>>> proper and the conviction should stand.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual
>>> act charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves
>>> alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict
>>> would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual
>>> misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.
>>>
>>> If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would
>>> remain locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not
>>> attend the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the
>>> state prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about
>>> 100 miles (160 kilometers) northwest of Albany.
>>>
>>> Allegations against Weinstein, the once powerful and feared studio boss
>>> behind such Oscar winners as “Pulp Fiction” and “Shakespeare in Love,” 
>>> ushered
>>> in the #MeToo movement
>>> .
>>> His New York trial drew intense publicity, with protesters chanting
>>> “rapist” outside the courthouse
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Weinstein maintains his innocence. He contends any sexual activity was
>>> consensual.
>>>
>>> His voice booming at times, Aidala argued that Burke swayed the trial
>>> with two key decisions: allowing three women to testify about allegations
>>> that 

Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Roman Gabriel

[PGage]

Always my QB. Had his poster on my wall as a kid.

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 at 4:36 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Best known as an NFL quarterback. I include him because he was the first
> professional athlete I knew of who made appearances on TV shows, like
> Gilligan's Island, Laugh In and Ironside. He was quarterback for the LA
> Rams, so Hollywood was in his backyard.
>
>
> https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39982942/roman-gabriel-former-nc-state-qb-nfl-mvp-dies-83
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Another Hollywood catfight

[PGage]

I had to look up Sydney Sweeney to see who she is and what she looks like.
I have heard of Euphoria but never seen it, and never heard of the film in
question. Was she in S1 of White Lotus?

I won’t engage in the crass practice of rating the attractiveness of
actresses in their mid 20s, but she is obviously not “not attractive”, and
anyone who looks at her and pretends not to understand why she would be
appealing to straight men is being intentionally obtuse. She may not be a
great actress, but that is hardly a unique characteristic of stars of most
Rom Coms I am familiar with.

Seems like a random drive-by…


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On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:01 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Agreed. I get, for instance, that Taylor Swift is currently an “it girl”
> too, but I personally don’t understand the appeal. However, just because
> she’s not my cup of tea doesn’t mean I think she’s either ugly or
> talentless; I’m just not buying what she’s selling.
>
> I personally thought Buffy the Vampire Slayer (both the movie and the
> series) was contrived, poorly produced, and barely acted, but that doesn’t
> mean I think Carol Baum is ugly or talentless. But she does seem to have an
> embittered disposition, and I’m glad she was not one of my professors in
> college because I don’t believe she has anything to teach me.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:38 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> I get that it's cool to go after the 'it-girl' (it-person?), and
>> obviously personal preference is a thing (I, for instance, don't understand
>> Taylor Swift's appeal), and maybe the criticism against "Anyone But You" is
>> valid, but I (as a red-blooded heterosexual male) would be hard pressed to
>> call Sydney Sweeney unattractive.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:47:01 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:
>>
>>> Sydney Sweeney gets called ugly and talentless by Buffy the Vampire
>>> Slayer producer Carol Baum during an interview with NY Times critic Janet
>>> Maslin. Maslin doubles down on social media by siding with Baum.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68844159.amp
>>>
>>> Meow.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Netflix to end reporting subscriber numbers

[PGage]

FWIW: here is the take of Puck News’ Matt Bellini on this from his column
last night:

*“So much for that new era of Netflix transparency*: A couple theories
about why Netflix, after blowing past predictions with 9.3 million new
subscribers, announced today that it will stop reporting subscriber
additions: First, Netflix already won the streaming wars, so it doesn’t
need to brag each quarter about how many subs it added. Second, its
traditional metrics, like revenue and profit, are gonna be better than its
rivals in streaming, so why not shine a light there? Third, with so many
tiers of membership and pricing structures worldwide, not all subscribers
are equal. So why announce a number as if they are? (That’s essentially
what co-C.E.O. *Greg Peters* said today.) But I’m betting the real reason
is that Peters and *Ted Sarandos* know how much the password-sharing
crackdown is juicing subs right now, and they want to get ahead of what
happens when that effort runs its course.”


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> My wife tends to put on Netflix and fall asleep. So do a lot of people,
> based on studies. Where is those statistics in their report?
>
> Not that it matters, since the numbers they release still aren’t
> independently verified, I just assume they make them up.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 2:38 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> V: *In its Q1 letter to shareholders, Netflix said that engagement —
>> time spent with the service — is its “best proxy for customer
>> satisfaction.” As such, it will no longer report quarterly membership
>> numbers or average revenue per member (which it dubs “ARM”), as of Q1 2025.
>> Netflix said it will announce “major subscriber milestones as we cross
>> them” but will cease disclosing quarterly subscriber numbers.*
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/netflix-stop-reporting-subscriber-numbers-starting-2025-1235975341/
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] True Detective 4 [Was Quickie Review: Monsieur Spade]

[PGage]

Just finished TD4, which I was only able to do through sheer stubbornness
and accessing my deep streak of ICD completism.

I have a high tolerance for the baked in weaknesses of this series, but
season 4 seemed to be intentionally trying to be bad so hard it was just
insulting and obnoxious. It does get somewhat less bad in the last few
episodes,  it is unable to recover from the accumulated weight of its
badness overall.

I was shocked after to read that this season is highly regarded by critics
and the public. WTF?

I don’t dislike Jodie Foster, who can be good to very good, and I thought
was the only redeeming part of the otherwise awful “Nyad”. But, while not
the weakest link, she was part of the problem here. For me, prototypical of
the shows weaknesses was her “Ask the Question/Wrong Question” schtick.
After the first episode, my question, every time she said that, screamed at
the top of my voice:  “Why is this show so bad?”


On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 1:30 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
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> On the other hand, I found so much to dislike in the reincarnation of
> "True Detective" that I won't be back. Too many unpleasant characters,
> amateurish acting (I'm lookin' at you, Kali Reis), the horror-movie tropes,
> and an overall feel of trying too hard were all turnoffs.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

[PGage]

It is fascinating that after three decades it is still hard to have a
reasonable discussion about this case. FWIW, my view is he probably did
kill his wife. I just hate how the criminal jury has been maligned over the
years as either too stupid to understand the DNA evidence, or to biased to
convict a black man of murder (a ridiculous claim given how many black men
get convicted of murder in Los Angeles). The fact is that jury knew
something about LAPD behavior that made the Simpson defense more plausible
than it seemed to many white people who only casually watched the trial.

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> There’s no reason to try and relitigate the case. It stands, and is
> meaningful, that in the almost 30 years after the case no exonerating
> evidence or even an alternate theory of how the murders happened.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:17 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.
>>
>> But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal
>> jury. The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the
>> accusations of planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme
>> police wrongdoing reasonable, though not necessarily true.
>>
>> Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
>>> Who is the legal expert?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
>>>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>>>
>>>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>>>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>>>
>>>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>>>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>>>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>>>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>>>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>>>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>>>
>>>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

[PGage]

Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.

But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal jury.
The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the accusations of
planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme police wrongdoing
reasonable, though not necessarily true.

Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
> Who is the legal expert?
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>
>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>
>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>
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[TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

[PGage]

>From Prostate Cancer.

We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up or
draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.

I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
Simpson’s lawyers reasonable

https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Dr. Ben Song never returned home.

[PGage]

I stopped watching and mostly forgot about it soon after the original
thread about it here. Also will not miss.

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> The bigger problem for me (beyond the lack of chemistry of any of the
> players) was the combination of terrible writing and worse acting. The
> writing staff apparently didn't believe in either subtext or subtlety,
> driving home every character beat by having someone say the equivalent of
> "You know something about you? You're (fill in the perfectly obvious
> trait). I found Raymond Lee, Nanrisa Lee, and Ernie Hudson to be okay, but
> Caitlin Bassett and Mason Alexander Park were working at the level of
> mediocre high-school thespians.
>
> Somehow, the original staff told us everything we needed to know about Sam
> and Al without driving it home with a sledgehammer, which was something the
> new people never figured out.
>
> I won't miss it, though I do wish they'd have brought Sam back. (I guess
> Bakula was too smart to get mixed up with this one.)
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 6:34:03 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. wrote:
>
> I bought a Quantum Leap prequel novel at a used bookstore this week. It
> was an easy read. It was written before the fourth season when they really
> dive into Sam’s backstory, so there were inconsistencies. But the book did
> capture the chemistry between Sam and Al, and that chemistry is what made
> the series work. The reboot lacked any chemistry, which meant it had to
> rely on story, but at its core Quantum Leap was an anthology series set in
> different places and times populated by different characters, and that has
> always been a tough sell.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Longtime ESPN Exec Leaves After Almost 40 Years

[PGage]

If the new world of ESPN requires kissing Pat McAfee’s ass then Norby is
well out.

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> In a rapidly shifting media environment 40 years of experience isn’t an
> immediate asset. Williamson thrived when the ESPN economic model was to
> make people who never watched the channel pay for it as part of their cable
> subscription. That bucket of money is going away and when meeting the
> challenge of a new era, having a senior executive who wants to stay in the
> past isn’t helpful.
>
> The beef with McAfee is typical behavior. Williamson talked shit about
> McAfee knowing as he’s only new on-air talent, McAfee couldn’t respond. But
> McAfee decided to call him out publicly by name and the top ESPN management
> didn’t make McAfee apologize for it. That was the hint to Williamson that
> his time was up.
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:42 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Norby Williamson, a 39-year veteran of the Worldwide Leader and head of
>> "SportsCenter" and events and news coverage, is leaving, supposedly after a
>> disagreement over long-term strategy with content president Burke Magnus,
>> although some say that he is leaving over an on-air attack on him by Pat
>> McAfee, the former football player and occasional pro wrestler whose talk
>> show  is carried by ESPN--McAfee, who has hosted Aaron Rodgers on many
>> occasions for him to spout his rightwing anti-vaxxer crap, claimed that
>> Williamson was trying to "sabotage" his show by lying about his ESPN
>> ratings:
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/espn-norby-williamson-exits/
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[TV orNotTV] Skydance Paramount Global deal: Details of David Ellison bid

[PGage]

Long rumored, complex takeover of Paramount Global by Skydance and Red Bird
heating up, may be announced soon.

P-Global would still be a publicly traded company, but Ellison would have
controlling share (high 40s to 50%). Looks like the Redstones cash out (at
a number far below what they were valued before Shari forced the merger,
but arguably higher than any other deal could get them), remaining
stockholders have their stock diluted, but hopefully at increased share
price, and hope for future with very deep pocket investors, access to
cutting edge tech and thinking.

Not clear what this means for P+. Ellison really wants Paramount Studios
and the content library, maybe CBS for the short term. Showtime and other
linear cable channels a dead weight, and P+ is losing hundreds of millions
of dollars a month. A lot of folks think Paramount should be an influential
and profitable supplier of entertainment content, not an embarrassingly bad
and money losing distributor. Some sources report that Ellison had to
promise Shari he would explore keeping P+ to get her to sign off on deal.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] About a not-exactly-ethnic name

[PGage]

Interesting. I read the whole article, and could actually feel myself
getting stupider with each paragraph…

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> She was different from the rest of the family so she had a different name.
> Why does anybody have to overthink it?
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:58 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> In a gift article, expiring tentatively April 10th '24, a discussion from
>> the New Jersey Newhouse papers of Meadow Soprano...
>>
>> https://www.nj.com/entertainment/2024/04/the-one-sopranos-detail-that-never-made-any-sense.html?gift=4230e4e7-f82b-4411-94dc-103de9d816b7
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ex-RNC chair sacked from NBC News

[PGage]

This sad episode really illustrates what is wrong with TV News. The problem
with hiring McDaniel was not that she is a conservative voice incompatible
with the liberal lean of the MSNBC side of the family, which is how Conde
is spinning it. The problem is that she is an election denier (recently
unconvincingly reformed) and supporter and apologist for insurrectionists.
It is harder to put balanced voices on your opinion page when so many on
one side are now hostile to constitutional democracy, but that is due to
the weaknesses and lack of courage of a majority of the Republican Party,
 not liberal intolerance.

If NBC had offered a job to Nikki Haley or Mike Pence, they may have been
criticized by the Chris Hayeses of the world, but could also have safely
ignored them. They are hyper conservatives who enabled Trump and advocate
many policies that I find horrific and immoral, but have not disqualified
themselves from participation in public discourse with polite society by
betraying the fundamentals of our Republic. McDaniel has.

If NBC was covering the last year of WW2 would they have hired Joseph
Goebbels as a paid consultant, just so they could claim to be giving equal
time to all views?

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> Just days after Ronna (Romney) McDaniel became a paid analyst there...
> even her reps gave her the Ziggy...
> https://deadline.com/2024/03/ronna-mcdaniel-out-nbc-news-caa-1235868701/
>  (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Digest for tvornottv@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 4 topics

[PGage]

Thought I remembered an entry from Ken Levine’s blog about her when she
died that touched on this a little - found it here:

http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2008/01/suzanne-pleshette.html

In our house, like I imagine many others, every week someone would comment
on how unbelievable it was that a guy like Bob would end up with a wife as
hot as Emily. They did not okay up how sexy she was on the show (set in
Chicago, not Southern California) but I think she was known as a combo of
hot/sexy/funny/smart.


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> Re: Newhart
>
> He was never much of a sexual aggressor and they had an average long term
> marriage.
> Also there was so much tension in the office scenes and more interaction
> with the secretary/receptionist,
> it's a lot to carry the home story line in a 30 minute show. Some episodes
> did, but not that many.
>
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 5:21 AM  wrote:
>
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>  Google
>> Groups
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>> Topic digest
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>>
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>>Updates
>>- Dana Carvey apologizes for Sharon Stone undressing on SNL
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>>- Quickie Review: Palm Royale
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>>- NBC's Paris Olympics opening ceremony coverage...
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>>Update
>>
>> Digest for tvornottv@googlegroups.com - 15 updates in 9 topics
>> 
>> jbelkin : Mar 23 09:26PM -0700
>>
>> So, I just finished watching the entire run of the Bob Newhart Show - the
>> 1970's were before my time but I'm curious about one thing - how come the
>> show doesn't seem to acknowledge that Suzanne PLeshette was gorgeous? Did
>> everyone in the 1970's just feel she was not unattractive but some sort of
>> run of the mill attractive? I mean, there were a couple eps where she was
>> jealous about Bob's old college girlfriends who were apparently super
>> attractive (one was shown but others were not), I'm thinking - in that
>> era,
>> was Pleshette considered "average" or so she was more relatable to the avg
>> viewer? - also, is there a backstory to Newhart only making cameos
>> appearances in a handful of eps in season 5 and 6, was he just bored??
>> Curious what you think? Thanks.
>>
>> JB
>>
>> "Kevin M." : Mar 23 09:30PM -0700
>>
>> Pleshette was a frequent guest on Carson’s Tonight Show back in the day.
>> Between that and Newhart and Columbo, I always carried a torch for her.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> Back to top <#m_4051960572818919197_m_1186050653577683442_digest_top>
>> Dana Carvey apologizes for Sharon Stone undressing on SNL
>> 
>> Steve Timko : Mar 23 12:15PM -0700
>>
>> Those algorithms are creepy. I was thinking about looking up the skit
>> after
>> reading this post and it just popped into my feed.
>> I guess it doesn't sound politically correct, but this doesn't seem like
>> something Dana Carvey should apologize for.
>> https://youtu.be/_6Y52JHN-LA?si=dGAxIk9kxw_E31WE
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 7:56 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> Back to top <#m_4051960572818919197_m_1186050653577683442_digest_top>
>> Quickie Review: Palm Royale
>> 
>> "Kevin M." : Mar 23 09:05AM -0700
>>
>> Watching the first episode was exhausting. So much overacting. As a woman
>> in a coma, Carol Burnett should be grateful she didn’t have to regurgitate
>> any of the predictable dialogue.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>> Back to top <#m_4051960572818919197_m_1186050653577683442_digest_top>
>> NBC's Paris Olympics opening ceremony coverage...
>> 
>> Dave Sikula : Mar 23 03:26AM -0700
>>
>> To see the opening ceremonies in real time on a huge screen with good
>> sound
>> and no ads, even if it is the Usual Gang of Idiots doing commentary?
>>
>> Count me in.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 6:29:22 AM UTC-7 Bob Jersey wrote:
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Max Heading for Europe in May

[PGage]

Same.

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> I read that as “Max Headroom is in Europe” and got excited.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:58 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Just in time for the Paris Olympics, for which WBD's Eurosport has
>> exclusive non-terrestrial rights (and the second season of "House of the
>> Dragon")--it will include WBD-owned linear channels, including Eurosport,
>> and an extra-pay sports hub--it is not launching in countries where Sky is
>> in operation and has rights to HBO programs:
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/max-europe-release-date-plans-details/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP M. Emmett Walsh

[PGage]

So great. I see Variety includes the Ebert reference, which was the first
thing I thought of when I heard the news:

“Film critic Roger Ebert created the “Stanton-Walsh Rule,”

which
held that no movie featuring either Harry Dean Stanton or M. Emmet Walsh in
a supporting role can be altogether bad.”

The Variety link references Blade Runner, undeniably a great credit. But I
think if I had to link him with just one film, it would have to be Blood
Simple.


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> He was so good in so many movies.
>
>
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/m-emmet-walsh-dead-blade-runner-1235947723/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Maher Down for Two More Years at HBO

[PGage]

Marti, I am glad you get pleasure from the show. I do not. The problem is
not being exposed to ideas I disagree with, I enjoy and seek that out.
Indeed I find Maher most difficult to stomach when he or a guest express
conclusions I agree with but supports them with an argument that is
reprehensible or incoherent. Also, he brings an unpleasant snide and
condescending tone to everything he discusses. I have seen his stand up in
comedy clubs and don’t find it funny.

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wrote:

> I still enjoy his show. I don't agree with all of his positions, but I
> find his discussions to be interesting, even if he or his guests make me
> angry.
> I am frustrated that so many people have put themselves in a media cage,
> and don't listen to anything they don't already agree with.
> I want the media to challenge me, and to offer opposing viewpoints.  I
> want to hear what the fringes of both sides have to say, if for no other
> reason than it serves the same purpose as spy intelligence, to let me know
> what is going on behind enemy lines.
>
> ~Marti
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 1:48 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>
>>> Will take "Real Time" to 24 years on the air:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/real-time-with-bill-maher-renewed-through-2026-hbo-1235851545/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
>>>
>>> And he also molests collies. Beat you, Kevin.
>>>
>>
>> Grrr.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oscars 2024 Ratings Up 4%

[PGage]

I really did like the 5 actor intro of the nominated actors, which they
have done before. It worked best for Supporting Actress. The next time they
do it I would suggest not making it a “Welcome to the Club” kind of thing,
restricting the group to past winners, but just have it be actors with some
personal  friendship or connection with the nominee they are introducing.
The whole “Awards Season” is so intense that by the Oscars the nominees
have usually gotten to know each other pretty well, so they could try
having the nominees on stage introducing one of their competitors.

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> I watched the Oscars for the first time in years this year, with the
> carriage moving from Sky to ITV meaning that it's now free to air (Also,
> ITV *stream* it live on their ITV Hub app!). Jonathan Ross hosted a
> pre-show bit in a London studio with a seemingly random selection of
> people, and this was pretty dire. I don't mind Ross, but they needed a film
> critic in the studio with him. A reminder that because US commercial
> minutage is more than we're allowed in the UK, there's nearly always some
> kind of UK studio team to fill some of those minutes.
>
> Generally I thought the show was decent and mostly watched it on delay,
> fast-forwarding through commercials and UK-segments where possible. Kimmel
> was fine, and I did wonder for a short time whether the Trump critique was
> actually real or not. Of course it was real.
>
> The "In Memoriam" was terrible and the names were practically illegible to
> me, by now watching on a 32" set in my bedroom. Unless you were watching on
> 4K on a 70" set or larger you were probably in the same boat. And the list
> of names appearing like a set of CGI animators on a Marvel film at the end
> was disingenuous. You can never include everyone, but at least show
> pictures or something.
>
> While I know it went down well with many, I hate hate *hated*  the five
> actors saying lovely things bits for best actor and supporting actors. This
> was like thickest of thick sugary treacle for me. I had to fast-forward
> through them, so awful were they. Have I made clear how much I disliked
> this?
>
> It all finished super-late UK time, but I was invested enough by then to
> check that Oppenheimer did indeed win Best Picture. And I enjoyed the
> various Brits wishing their mothers Happy Mothers' Day and confusing
> everyone in the US (It's timing is to do with Lent in the UK where it's
> also known as Mothering Sunday).
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 12:56 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:
>
>> I liked the earlier start time, as it allowed by TiVo to buffer things
>> and I could bloop the commercials, and still get to bed at 1030pm.
>>
>> I liked the approach of 5-former winners introducing the nominees for the
>> acting categories.
>>
>> As for Kimmel, he did alright.I honestly thought the "mean tweet" he
>> read was scripted, but now I'm hearing that it was real.   Here's an EW
>> article on that.  Jimmy Kimmel was told not to read Donald Trump message
>> at Oscars (ew.com)
>> <https://ew.com/oscars-jimmy-kimmel-told-not-to-read-donald-trump-social-media-post-8607213>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:43 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> But down 5% in the Demo.
>>>
>>> ABC seems to be taking a victory lap, but I would say this is in the low
>>> average range of expectations. After last year I thought we might see one
>>> more year of small gains in a final post Covid correction, before a return
>>> to steady declines based on long term trends in linear TV. That is what
>>> happened, despite two blockbuster, pop culture defining films in the mix,
>>> one of which dominated the wins and the other the TV presentation.
>>>
>>> I thought the show itself was one of the best we have seen in recent
>>> years; Kimmel not spectacular but steady, and most of the bits surprisingly
>>> worked.
>>>
>>> Ratings last 4 years:
>>>
>>> 2021: 10.4M (No Host)
>>>
>>> 2022: 16.6M (The Slap)
>>>
>>> 2023: 18.8M (Maverick/Avatar)
>>>
>>> 2024: 19.5M (Barbenheimer)
>>> I’m going to get in my early prediction for 2025 ratings: 19.4M…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://deadline.com/2024/03/oscar-ratings-viewership-2024-oppenheimer-1235854597/
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[TV orNotTV] Oscars 2024 Ratings Up 4%

[PGage]

But down 5% in the Demo.

ABC seems to be taking a victory lap, but I would say this is in the low
average range of expectations. After last year I thought we might see one
more year of small gains in a final post Covid correction, before a return
to steady declines based on long term trends in linear TV. That is what
happened, despite two blockbuster, pop culture defining films in the mix,
one of which dominated the wins and the other the TV presentation.

I thought the show itself was one of the best we have seen in recent years;
Kimmel not spectacular but steady, and most of the bits surprisingly
worked.

Ratings last 4 years:

2021: 10.4M (No Host)

2022: 16.6M (The Slap)

2023: 18.8M (Maverick/Avatar)

2024: 19.5M (Barbenheimer)
I’m going to get in my early prediction for 2025 ratings: 19.4M…



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sen. Katie Britt's State of the Union response: Discuss

[PGage]

I agree with Kevin, except the loudest complaints have come from
professional GOP politicians, who know the key swing voter demo is white
suburban women. These women are susceptible to the low tax (even if that is
bs) anti immigration part of the Republican message, but are turned off by
the hyper moralism, and especially triggered by the overturning of Roe.
Somehow they have to find a non-Trump voice to send the message that
Republicans respect and understand that women can be good mothers and
hardworking professionals who can be trusted to make their own decisions
about their bodies, and one of their best candidates for being that
messenger spent this high profile platform sending message women should be
in the kitchen, and can discuss important issues in a reasonable,
professional manner.

Which is to say, one of their problems is not just that Trump is their
candidate, but that he has taken over complete control of the party.

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> Everybody seems to have had a lot to say about Britt. What is worth
> reminding everybody is that her response was geared towards the 33% of the
> nation that still supports Trump (and will always do so). It wasn’t to
> change minds; it was to try to remind the Trump cult that they are still
> there, still wallowing in the swamp. If you had liked (or even been able to
> tolerate) her inane banter, it would be a failure. It pandered to those
> blinded and stupefied by hatred and ignorance. The cult loves that the left
> is making fun of this video.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:59 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to comment on Sen. Katie Britt’s response to the president’s
>> State of the Union address.
>>
>> I streamed her rebuttal with the sound on low. So I didn’t really hear it
>> live. But I glanced at it from time to time. My first reaction was,
>> “Putting her in a kitchen makes her look like a housewife, not a senator.”
>>
>> What really stopped me was her creepy smile. She is a successful
>> politician but she can’t produce a decent smile? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis
>> has the same problem.
>>
>> Afterward, I heard the recap of what she said. And how she said it. The
>> Republicans have known for four years they would be giving the response to
>> the State of the Union and this is what they offer? Especially after
>> previous flubs by Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio.
>>
>> It’s like someone gave her the assignment to connect with the public and
>> she proved herself incapable of doing that. It’s not that hard. Just speak
>> with genuine emotion. Not the manufactured emotion she stumbled through.
>>
>> We all know the cold open for tonight’s “Saturday Night Live.”
>>
>> There’s a lot of good rebuttals to Britt’s rebuttal, but I like this best:
>>
>> https://www.tiktok.com/@joyreidofficial/video/730653272698154
>>
>> At the risk of being a complete chauvinist, Megyn Kelly is looking
>> totally hot. I suspect there’s some digital manipulation of her image.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/iqxURf4EiKw?si=Q4c_Jud0ceyxu4zt
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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Richard Lewis

[PGage]

Back in the NBC days, the Letterman guests I and my friends most looked
forward to were Jay Leno (hard to believe now, but he was great) and
Richard Lewis. I had seen him at the Ice House a few times and just enjoyed
his act so much. I started a re watch of Curb a few weeks ago to get ready
for the last season, and now his episodes are bitter sweet. Will miss him.

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> I don’t believe Lewis was one of the funniest stand-ups of all time (he
> was good, but not great), but if I had to pick a comic to sit down to
> dinner with who would guarantee that I’d fall out of my chair laughing,
> he’d be a top candidate. He was just a naturally funny person, and the
> handful of times I got to share a room with him, I felt blessed
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> He had developed Parkinson's disease last year, after passing on several
>> 2021 episodes of *Curb* while recovering from multiple surgeries, but it
>> was his ticker that gave out, said V... 76.
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/richard-lewis-dead-comedian-curb-your-enthusiasm-1235925744/
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Barnhart and Trowbridge

[PGage]

So great to see and hear both of them. Thanks Jon.

I was a subscriber to the original list (as I have noted before, literally
the third thing I searched for the first day I was connected to the
internet on AOL was “David Letterman” (the first was the topic of a
research project I was working on, the second was “Los Angeles Lakers”). I
joined listservs dedicated to all three subjects, belonged to the first for
ten years, the second two ( including this, in its various forms)
continuing to today.

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Part of a longer piece by the ex-Chief on the occasion of Late Show News'
> 30th anniversary.
>
> https://mailchi.mp/71f65aa3803d/late-show-news-at-30?e=2ecf66baff
>
> If I remember the sequence of events correctly, Late Show News led to TV
> Barn, which eventually spawned this list.  I wasn't here from jump, but I
> think I've been around for 95 percent of it.  Which is sobering.  Thank you
> Aaron.
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 09:37:48 AM PST, Jon Delfin <
> jondel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> definitely tv
>
> https://youtu.be/wmSB7mEqrIw?si=ycla1j5Jo5BoxNgl
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Any fans of William Gibson's "Neuromancer" here?

[PGage]

Of course. Very much looking forward to this.

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> Graham Roland (Amazon's *Jack Ryan) *and JD Dillard have adapted the
> novel into a series, under Anonymous Content and Skydance, with entertainer
> Drake's DreamCrew also involved... AppleTV+ just picked it up...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/apple-neurmancer-series-william-gibson-1235925640/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[PGage]

I think partly this is a generational thing. The old guys who run WBD
likely don’t understand what it means for young people to watch YouTube. I
confess I don’t really understand it. I often ask my son if he wants to
watch a film or show with me, and he will say no, he is watching YouTube.

I’m like, “but, your mom and I subscribe to pretty much every service out
there, why only watch short clips of stuff? Tell me what you are watching
on YT and we can watch the whole thing on TV.”

He’s like “you don’t get it. I only want to watch short clips. And most of
the clips I watch are not from shows on television, they are of stuff the
people just post.”

The people at Max, like me, assume young folks are desperately watching
short clips of Jon Oliver for free on YT, wishing they could afford to oat
for Max to watch the whole show. But the vast majority of those folks
either have access to and don’t watch, or don’t want, HBO. They actually
prefer short clips, and a process that identifies the clips other people
will be watching and talking about specifically so they don’t have to watch
the whole show. Actually paying $15 a month (or whatever it is) to watch
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> I found it amusing this morning to read in close succession about how well
> Jon Stewart's segments are doing on YouTube following his return to TDS
> immediately followed by reporting that John Oliver's segments are being
> delayed. From CNN's Reliable Sources newsletter:
>
> [image: image.png]
> The delay will make zero difference in subscribers choosing to get Max
> rather than wait a couple of days, by which time, the views will be lower
> than they might have been. Also, there'll be dodgy copies on YouTube
> filling up the slack. There are various "creative" ways to get around
> YouTube's copyright systems.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 2:24 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> From Julia Alexander at Puck News and Parrot Analytics:
>>
>> “Discovery and HBO have strategically delayed uploading new segments from
>>  *Last Week Tonight* to YouTube to drive more subscribers to Max. It may
>> work—but I have a feeling it won’t. And based on host *John Oliver*’s
>> recent tweet expressing consternation with the decision, he isn’t so sure,
>> either.
>>
>> Here’s the main issue: Customers who wanted both Oliver’s show *and *the
>> Max catalog in one package have likely already signed up for Max. But those
>> watching *Last Week Tonight* segments religiously on YouTube (where the
>> audience is younger) aren’t necessarily interested in paying for a service.
>> Is Oliver worth an additional $15 a month, or is it easier to just wait
>> three more days? My assumption is that most of the YouTube audience won’t
>> upgrade for one talent they can literally “wait and see.” They’d probably
>> rather watch only his most viral content in algorithmically recommended
>> clip form, anyway.”
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 1:53 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> As Kevin points out, the YouTube delay is far from an indication of
>>> turmoil with Oliver at HBO, but an attempt by HBO/Max to further monetize
>>> him.
>>>
>>> I am not worried about Oliver financially, first because there is zero
>>> chance Thomas takes the offer (not because Thomas is above taking it of
>>> course, but because he undoubtedly has a much better retirement deal with
>>> his current sponsors), second because even if he had to pay up, it is about
>>> 12% of Oliver’s current HBO salary, and Thomas’ life expectancy is probably
>>> shorter than that of Oliver’s show. I will have to ask my wife, who is a
>>> bookkeeper for a CPA, if this kind of thing would be a tax deductible
>>> business expense for Oliver as an independent contractor, assuming he made
>>> it a key part of his next stand up act in the event he had to pay out.
>>>
>>> Oliver was very explicit that the $1M/year would come from his personal
>>> accounts, but did not make the same disclaimer about the $2.5M Luxury motor
>>> coach. I wonder if HBO agreed to pay for part or all of that in the event (
>>> or if the maker agreed to donate it)?
>>>
>>> All in all: Hilarious and effective.
>>>
>>> Also, Oliver’s return was a clear, though no doubt unintentional,
>>> illustration of why he is so much better at political humor than Jon
>>> Stewart. While Oliver was also critical of Biden, his critique was not just
>>> hack “Biden so Old”, but aimed at h

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Stewart to return to "The Daily Show" as EP and part-time host through 2024 election

[PGage]

JS should actually pay Tucker Carlson to do stuff every week, because he is
a never-fail foil. They could make him a Monday correspondent for the show,
except instead of having to write and produce segments they just send him
out into the world to be himself.

Would have been just funny, except the context that made TC relevant and
worth talking about was one of the most heartbreaking, outrageous and
momentous political murders of our time so, hard to laugh too much, when I
was still wiping away the tears from reading pieces about Navalny and his
widow like the one by Julia Iofee at Puck News.

What I found most of note about Week 2 of the new Stew was how apparently
pissed off he was at criticism of his both siding Trump and Biden,
especially apparently at Mary Trump (who I think is the kind of person
Stewart would like to have as a “Friend of the Show” during the Fall
campaign). His brief response really confirmed for me how much he does not
get it. The criticism is not that he owes it to democracy and Democrats to
only make fun of Trump.

JS painted himself as the heroic truth teller who had the balls to say out
loud what everyone else knows but is afraid to say (that Biden is old). But
of course that is the opposite of what is going on. For the last year at
least Everyone has been joking and complaining about how old Biden is.
There is nothing new, insightful or courageous in that. Stewart is telling
hack jokes that are the equivalent of how bad airplane food is on the
flight from LA to NY, ir how White people walk like this, but Black people
walk like this, and pretending he is on the cutting edge.

I don’t think most liberals expect or even want Stewart to give Biden a
pass, just to put in the effort to make jokes that get at Biden’s real
weaknesses or failures, and not designed to normalize and minimize Trump’s
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> Right, and that (lazy and obvious) is the real damming criticism for a
> comic. Regardless of the political implications, his act has been hack -
> nothing more than we might expect from the opening act on a week night at a
> suburban comedy club. I think we have a right to expect more from him.
>
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>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 at 1:31 PM Dave Sikula  wrote:
>
>> I watched the rest of the week because I like Klepper, but the other
>> correspondents leave me cold.
>>
>> I suppose Stewart will hold onto his following, but the more I've seen
>> him since he left the show the first time, the more I've disliked him. I
>> don't think he's setting himself up for being harsher on Trump, though;
>> for, what, a decade?, he's been too much "a pox on both your houses" for my
>> tastes. I'm not saying that either the Dems or Biden haven't earned
>> criticism, but what he does in that regard is lazy and obvious.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:20:04 AM PST, M-D November <
>> mdnovem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Fun fact - it was only about 2 years ago that I finally realized that the
>> "I want my MTV" riff from Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" is the same
>> riff as The Police's "Don't Stand So Close to Me". I'm not sure how I
>> managed to miss that for several DECADES, but there you are.
>>
>> I thought Jon's return succeeded where it needed to; yes, he leaned into
>> "both choices are horrible" during act 1, but he quickly called himself out
>> re: the "ravages of age"; the BFNTP got in some good shots at Stewart
>> (particularly Dulce Sloan and Jordan Klepper) during act 2, so you get the
>> feeling they were turning into the skid re: some of the criticism leveled
>> at Stewart's return.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: The New Look

[PGage]

I encourage to fortify your stomach and get past the first five minutes.
I’m really digging this show, even though I know little or nothing about
fashion. I have been interested in the complexities of the idea of
collaboration with the Occupier*, and that is really what this series, at
least the first three episodes, is about, though I’m sure I will learn
something about French fashion in later episodes.

*on my first trip to Paris in 2014 a I toured the Normandy sites with a
friend, and we hired a local to drive us around and narrate with added
local history. In long conversations with him he first cryptically then
more openly talked about his grandparents, who had been punished by
neighbors for collaborating with the Nazis, but from his perspective were
just trying to survive, and in their own way were able to help the cause by
slowing things up at strategic times. He turned me on to some books and
articles to read. I have relatives who died in the camps, so am not
inclined to being charitable, but he effectively pointed out it is not a
simple black and white issue.

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> I couldn’t stomach five minutes. The music amped up the life or death
> intensity… of a fashion show. A dramatic story doesn’t have to be
> over-dramatic to be compelling or engaging. You don’t have to inflate
> tension to make a story interesting. I remember when I watched the first
> episode of Downton Abbey, I thought to myself “Nothing happened in that
> entire episode,” followed immediately by “when is the next episode airing?”
> The New Look felt like a textbook example of trying way too hard.
>
> On the Apple
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[PGage]

>From Julia Alexander at Puck News and Parrot Analytics:

“Discovery and HBO have strategically delayed uploading new segments from *Last
Week Tonight* to YouTube to drive more subscribers to Max. It may work—but
I have a feeling it won’t. And based on host *John Oliver*’s recent tweet
expressing consternation with the decision, he isn’t so sure, either.

Here’s the main issue: Customers who wanted both Oliver’s show *and *the
Max catalog in one package have likely already signed up for Max. But those
watching *Last Week Tonight* segments religiously on YouTube (where the
audience is younger) aren’t necessarily interested in paying for a service.
Is Oliver worth an additional $15 a month, or is it easier to just wait
three more days? My assumption is that most of the YouTube audience won’t
upgrade for one talent they can literally “wait and see.” They’d probably
rather watch only his most viral content in algorithmically recommended
clip form, anyway.”


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On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 1:53 AM PGage  wrote:

> As Kevin points out, the YouTube delay is far from an indication of
> turmoil with Oliver at HBO, but an attempt by HBO/Max to further monetize
> him.
>
> I am not worried about Oliver financially, first because there is zero
> chance Thomas takes the offer (not because Thomas is above taking it of
> course, but because he undoubtedly has a much better retirement deal with
> his current sponsors), second because even if he had to pay up, it is about
> 12% of Oliver’s current HBO salary, and Thomas’ life expectancy is probably
> shorter than that of Oliver’s show. I will have to ask my wife, who is a
> bookkeeper for a CPA, if this kind of thing would be a tax deductible
> business expense for Oliver as an independent contractor, assuming he made
> it a key part of his next stand up act in the event he had to pay out.
>
> Oliver was very explicit that the $1M/year would come from his personal
> accounts, but did not make the same disclaimer about the $2.5M Luxury motor
> coach. I wonder if HBO agreed to pay for part or all of that in the event (
> or if the maker agreed to donate it)?
>
> All in all: Hilarious and effective.
>
> Also, Oliver’s return was a clear, though no doubt unintentional,
> illustration of why he is so much better at political humor than Jon
> Stewart. While Oliver was also critical of Biden, his critique was not just
> hack “Biden so Old”, but aimed at his pale and weak attempts to reign in
> Netanyahu. That is a real and substantive critique (and complex enough that
> I myself do not unambiguously agree with it, though I respect it).
>
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>> $1 million a year and a $2.5 million motor coach if he resigned from the
>> Supreme Court within a month.
>> Normally, I could post a YouTube link to that part of the show. But HBO
>> hasn't posted the show yet. Here's a link to a poor pirated copy. The offer
>> is around the 31 minute mark.
>> https://youtu.be/YceyOgpj_RE?si=c1d7MPnHBv990oui
>>
>> I wonder if this indicates turmoil at HBO over the show.
>>
>> Oliver said he is paying Thomas' salary personally, not HBO. I am
>> guessing left leaning millionaires will chip in if it means Thomas is off
>> the court.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] John Oliver offers Clarence Thomas $1 million a year to resign

[PGage]

As Kevin points out, the YouTube delay is far from an indication of turmoil
with Oliver at HBO, but an attempt by HBO/Max to further monetize him.

I am not worried about Oliver financially, first because there is zero
chance Thomas takes the offer (not because Thomas is above taking it of
course, but because he undoubtedly has a much better retirement deal with
his current sponsors), second because even if he had to pay up, it is about
12% of Oliver’s current HBO salary, and Thomas’ life expectancy is probably
shorter than that of Oliver’s show. I will have to ask my wife, who is a
bookkeeper for a CPA, if this kind of thing would be a tax deductible
business expense for Oliver as an independent contractor, assuming he made
it a key part of his next stand up act in the event he had to pay out.

Oliver was very explicit that the $1M/year would come from his personal
accounts, but did not make the same disclaimer about the $2.5M Luxury motor
coach. I wonder if HBO agreed to pay for part or all of that in the event (
or if the maker agreed to donate it)?

All in all: Hilarious and effective.

Also, Oliver’s return was a clear, though no doubt unintentional,
illustration of why he is so much better at political humor than Jon
Stewart. While Oliver was also critical of Biden, his critique was not just
hack “Biden so Old”, but aimed at his pale and weak attempts to reign in
Netanyahu. That is a real and substantive critique (and complex enough that
I myself do not unambiguously agree with it, though I respect it).

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> John Oliver returned from hiatus with a bang. He offered Clarence Thomas
> $1 million a year and a $2.5 million motor coach if he resigned from the
> Supreme Court within a month.
> Normally, I could post a YouTube link to that part of the show. But HBO
> hasn't posted the show yet. Here's a link to a poor pirated copy. The offer
> is around the 31 minute mark.
> https://youtu.be/YceyOgpj_RE?si=c1d7MPnHBv990oui
>
> I wonder if this indicates turmoil at HBO over the show.
>
> Oliver said he is paying Thomas' salary personally, not HBO. I am guessing
> left leaning millionaires will chip in if it means Thomas is off the court.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jon Stewart to return to "The Daily Show" as EP and part-time host through 2024 election

[PGage]

Right, and that (lazy and obvious) is the real damming criticism for a
comic. Regardless of the political implications, his act has been hack -
nothing more than we might expect from the opening act on a week night at a
suburban comedy club. I think we have a right to expect more from him.

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> I watched the rest of the week because I like Klepper, but the other
> correspondents leave me cold.
>
> I suppose Stewart will hold onto his following, but the more I've seen him
> since he left the show the first time, the more I've disliked him. I don't
> think he's setting himself up for being harsher on Trump, though; for,
> what, a decade?, he's been too much "a pox on both your houses" for my
> tastes. I'm not saying that either the Dems or Biden haven't earned
> criticism, but what he does in that regard is lazy and obvious.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:20:04 AM PST, M-D November <
> mdnovem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fun fact - it was only about 2 years ago that I finally realized that the
> "I want my MTV" riff from Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" is the same
> riff as The Police's "Don't Stand So Close to Me". I'm not sure how I
> managed to miss that for several DECADES, but there you are.
>
> I thought Jon's return succeeded where it needed to; yes, he leaned into
> "both choices are horrible" during act 1, but he quickly called himself out
> re: the "ravages of age"; the BFNTP got in some good shots at Stewart
> (particularly Dulce Sloan and Jordan Klepper) during act 2, so you get the
> feeling they were turning into the skid re: some of the criticism leveled
> at Stewart's return.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Katy Perry leaving "American Idol"

[PGage]

I will confess to watching all seasons of AI. Initially I thought this
report meant Perry would. To be on the current season, but reading a little
more it seems the current season will be S7 for the ABC version, and Perry
will be leaving after S7.

I am pleased. Perry is to me by far the most annoying judge in AI history,
and that includes Nicki Minaj and Jennifer Lopez. Perry has a way of making
every millisecond about her, and if squeezing every mico ounce of subtlety
and sincerity out of any moment.

Without knowing who they will replace her with, I am confident the show
will immediately be much better next season.

I have been surprised how much I dislike her, since, compared to say Swift,
I had been familiar with her songs, though I would not have described
myself as a fan of her somewhat pandering brand of pop. Contrast that with
Swift, who was a mentor on The Voice some years ago, and in the face of
much skepticism and derision from me I was surprised at what an effective
coach and communicator she was. Not in the kind or obviously fake Uber
sincere way some of these mentors interact, but actual advice over how to
craft or sell a performance to get a crowd to do what you want. I told my
son (a big Swift fan at the time) that whatever else she was, she clearly
wasn’t stupid.

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> Katy Perry’s announcement she is leaving “American Idol” caught my
> attention for one reason.
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/katy-perry-says-leaving-american-idol-7-seasons-see-world-bring-new-mu-rcna138582
>
> I saw a clip on TikTok a couple of weeks ago where a talking head on a
> podcast talked about the staying power of Taylor Swift. One person he
> specifically cited as fading away was Katy Perry.
>
> I knew Katy Perry wasn’t as popular as she was say a decade ago, but I
> thought she was still up there. Nope. Her last two albums tanked.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Perry_discography
>
> The talking head thought part of the reason was because of her feud with
> Taylor Swift. Perry tried to mend fences. I don’t know how successful she
> was winning over Swifties. I’ve only heard Perry’s side of the story and
> from that perspective Perry was right. Perry was going on tour and she
> wanted to use a dancer that had been dancing for Swift as well. Swift
> wasn’t touring at tht moment. Either Swift didn’t allow it or there was
> retribution when the dancer returned.
>
> Perry says it’s her decision to leave “American Idol” but I wonder if
> she’s more of an anchor now for the show instead of an attraction.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: Lundquist To Call His Final Masters

[PGage]

Thanks for that Joe. Verne has always been a favorite, and that article is
a real gem.

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> He started on 17 (I still remember his call of Jack Nicklaus in 1986) and
> eventually moved to his now-iconic perch on 16. He'd already given up
> college football and basketball. His final call will give him 40
> Tournaments total.
>
> https://golf.com/news/verne-lundquist-retires-2024-masters/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Streaming's BIggest Shows Are Just TV (Big Deal)

[PGage]

I have been an advocate of the shorter seasons we often see on streaming
(and Euro?) series, but was given pause when we learned during the strikes
the impact this is having on professional TV writers. This made me wonder
if short TV episode counts are less about quality control and more about
cost control.

Is there a future in which Netflix hires a stable of writers who get
assigned to work on 6-10 episode seasons of a particular show, but have
annual contracts, reliable benefits and job security for some period of
time?

Also, I am a big fan of the Big Dump of all episodes at once (which Netflix
does not always do, so I had to force myself not to start the most recent
season of British Bake Off until all episodes had been released and I could
binge as I wanted. Also no waiting on HBO to release all episodes of
current True Detective).

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> I agree that this slightly muddled thinking.
>
> First off, although there are lots of serialized dramas on streaming,
> there are also episodic shows. Poker Face and even the new Mr & Mrs Smith
> are largely episodic. The aforementioned The Lincoln Lawyer is in fact a
> serialized drama, as is, AFAIK, Virgin River. Sure they could air on
> network TV, and there's nothing to stop network TV making such shows.
> Indeed, it's pretty obvious following the success of Suits last summer that
> we're about to be deluged by soapy legal shows.
>
> But shows were made on an industrial scale to meet an economic need. They
> had to fill a September to May schedule, and ideally reach 100 episodes as
> quickly as possible for syndication. Audiences got trained to expect the
> same show airing year around, but now audiences are quite capable of
> getting used to 10 episodes once a year, or once every 18 months.
>
> I mean why stop at 22? In the sixties, some series would run 30+ episodes
> a season. Should we go back to that?
>
> *Marketing* shorter run shows might be a little harder, and I definitely
> think Netflix in particular is bad at this. They also seem to be the one
> outlier in still dropping everything at once, or at least in two tranches.
> But that's just bull-headedness at this point, like not putting some of
> their films in cinemas.
>
> (Sidenote: I had to switch on my VPN to read that piece because lots of US
> newspaper groups still can't cope with European privacy regulations and
> just don't bother).
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 3:31 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> There’s a flaw in the reasoning here. If you ask fans of a series if they
>> want more or fewer episodes, of course people will say they want more of
>> what they like. But I believe most people who aren’t just using TV as white
>> noise would prefer fewer well written and well produced episodes to a 22
>> episode run of an assembly-line procedural like Law and Order.
>>
>> Oh yeah, there’s also the fact that Preston Beckman molests collies.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chicago Tribune TV critic Nina Metz, a huge supporter of the 22-episode
>>> once-a-week season that steamers seemed to be getting away from to be more
>>> like HBO (although as an avid ACAB person, she wouldn't mind if there
>>> weren't any police procedurals), asked former network exec Preston "The
>>> Masked Scheduler" Breckman about this, pointing out the recent report that
>>> the most popular shows on streaming are familiar TV (including that USA
>>> Network blue sky show starring the Duchess of Sussex)--Breckman replies
>>> that there are already shows on streamers (like Netflix's "Virgin River"
>>> and "The Lincoln Lawyer") that would fit in a traditional television
>>> schedule and that basically, the more TV tries to change, the more it
>>> remains the same:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/02/07/column-most-watched-shows-of-2023-are-not-what-you-think/?share=trocnchwanhbhtmsuybt
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Re: [TV orNotTV] That Blockbuster Concert FIlm (Taylor's Version) on Disney+

[PGage]

I see. It was pay Per view and now on D+.

I keep getting these passionate, angry/tearful defenses of Swift in my
social media, leaving me puzzled, as I have never seen any post attacking
her. Then my son pointed out my friend network and algorithms are likely
shielding me from mist of the ant Swift posts, and assured me there is a
lot out there.

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> Same film, just with added songs originally for VOD and now for Disney+.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 7:14 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Haven’t I been seeing a banner ad for the Taylor Swift Film for months?
>> Was that something different than this?
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 at 2:28 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour (Taylor's Version)" (that's the actual
>>> title), which seems to be the VOD version of the film with five additional
>>> songs not in the theatrical release, has been sold to Disney+ and it drops
>>> on the streamer on Mar. 15, to give rightwingers something else to bitch
>>> about Disney:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-movie-streaming-disney-plus-release-date/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] That Blockbuster Concert FIlm (Taylor's Version) on Disney+

[PGage]

Haven’t I been seeing a banner ad for the Taylor Swift Film for months? Was
that something different than this?

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> "Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour (Taylor's Version)" (that's the actual
> title), which seems to be the VOD version of the film with five additional
> songs not in the theatrical release, has been sold to Disney+ and it drops
> on the streamer on Mar. 15, to give rightwingers something else to bitch
> about Disney:
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[PGage]

I have been reading a bit about this, and the main thing that comes through
is they still don’t really know what they are doing with this. For some
reason they had a need to announce this as a placeholder, while they figure
out the details.

As Adam suggests, a lot of those details surround how the next round of
sports rights plays out. Almost certainly this means WBD is dedicated to
keeping the NBA, which will be a big price tag - and I wonder if they plan
to announce all or many NBA games will only be available on Max. This would
make having access via the new sports streamer a savings. Will ESPN then
also make all or some MLB or NFL only on Hulu or Disney+, creating a
similar savings?

Also, does this mean Zaz really is determined to get Paramount, and add its
NFL, Golf and whatever else to the new bundle?

I’m going to have Max and the Disney bundle no matter what, so still not
clear to me why I would pay $50 for sports I already have access to. But I
begin to see there may be a segment of the population that only wants
sports, not premium entertainment streaming, and may one day soon (not
today) find $50 a month for the Sports Blob is preferable to something like
YT-TV, Max and Disney Bundle (which would be around what, $100/month?). Is
that segment large enough to make a lot of profit? I suspect that is also
one of the things they really don’t know.

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> I guess it's all about the maths.
>
> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>
> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to
> be as profitable as they were before.
>
> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
> the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>
> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
> looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
> you get big numbers quickly.
>
> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>
>> From the article:
>>
>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-to-launch-joint-sports-streaming-platform-this-year.html>
>>  reported
>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>>
>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
>> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
>> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
>> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
>> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
>> basic cable).
>>
>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable
>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
>> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
>> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>>
>> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>>
>>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>>> floating around for ESPN on its own 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[PGage]

>From the article:

“*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a later
date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that the
price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
month for its basic plan. CNBC

reported
a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*

This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are no
longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
basic cable).

The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable TV
without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
Sunday NFL games if they want).

As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.




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> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>
> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
> charging for it.
>
> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots of
> price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>
> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
> everything the three players have to offer.
>
> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
> in.
>
> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
> But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League
> games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports.
> Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+
> Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there
> are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives
> you a good idea of what you might have to pay.
>
> I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their
> parent company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan
> might complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might
> have their own plan for company's sports rights.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts
>> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on
>> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which
>> would involve negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders,
>> e.g., Bally Sports in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>
>> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL
>> and NCAA coverage.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and
>>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games,
>>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's
>>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw
>>> in--no name, launch date or pricing announced:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oh Sweet Jesus - Allen Bids for Paramount Global

[PGage]

William Cohan of Puck News has made the perhaps obvious but devastating
case against the Byron Allen offer for PG being serious, for multiple
reasons, amounting to Allen does. To have the money himself to make it
happen, and is suspiciously cryptic about who would be insane enough to
lend him that much money to buy a troubled and debt ridden company when he
himself is floating in debt already, and his creditors estimate a 50%
probability he will default on that.

Some think Allen is banking on liberal regulators at the FCC wanting to
promote Black ownership in Big Media; Cohan does not speculate, but I doubt
even Allen is silly enough to be making that bet. More likely he is using
the splashy offer to generate buzz for himself, and perhaps enough marginal
increase in credibility to pull off some other deal that might allow him at
save his company.

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> Media Poochie strikes again. $30 Billion.
>
>
> https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/byron-allen-paramount-global-allen-media-group-1235892590/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon Prime Starting Ads on Jan. 29

[PGage]

That’s good to know. If I start running into in-episode ads I will go
ad-free.

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> “Hazbin Hotel” actually had no preroll ads, but did have one 15-second ad
> in the middle of each episode (at a natural-ish break point). I wonder if
> Amazon is doing some A/B testing on ad placement.
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 3:33 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
> As promised, ads started this week on Amazon. I started and finished “Mr
> and Mrs Smith over last few days (2 thumbs up, so much better than the
> movie) and found the ads to be just this side of tolerable. They do not
> interrupt the program, and there is only 1 or 2 of them at the start of
> each episode, mostly (not only) for Amazon stuff, nothing too obnoxious.
>
> It may get worse, as I am prepared for them to try to slowly increase the
> number of ad minutes, but for now will probably continue to save the
> $4/month.
>
> It does rob the viewer of one of the main pleasures of streaming, for me
> anyway, which is to go directly into the next episode without interruption.
> I wonder if there is less marathoning with ad supported streaming?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon Prime Starting Ads on Jan. 29

[PGage]

As promised, ads started this week on Amazon. I started and finished “Mr
and Mrs Smith over last few days (2 thumbs up, so much better than the
movie) and found the ads to be just this side of tolerable. They do not
interrupt the program, and there is only 1 or 2 of them at the start of
each episode, mostly (not only) for Amazon stuff, nothing too obnoxious.

It may get worse, as I am prepared for them to try to slowly increase the
number of ad minutes, but for now will probably continue to save the
$4/month.

It does rob the viewer of one of the main pleasures of streaming, for me
anyway, which is to go directly into the next episode without interruption.
I wonder if there is less marathoning with ad supported streaming?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] At least two "Office US" stars up to doing reboot as movie instead of series

[PGage]

I have been an avid listener of the Office Ladies, though I’m a bit out of
their demo. Part of their narrative is that they found a way to a better
work-life balance by doing this podcast and monetizing it (they wrote a
book, and are clearly eyeing ways to extend their brief once they get
through all the episodes and various extras (they are in the final season
of the series). I’m afraid a movie reunion of The Office  is the kind
project we don’t really need, but they do (though Fischer has a smallish
role in the Mean Girls movie musical that I am waiting for Valentines Day
to take my wife to go see.

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey admitted as such on their podcast together
> to guest Bryan Cranston... who would not be interested in a speaking part,
> only an extra role, if it does come off... Greg Daniels, sadly, appears
> committed to the series option, which would have an all-new cast...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/the-office-movie-bryan-cranston-asks-cast-members-reboot-film-1235894540/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Letterman is Team TayTay

[PGage]

Just as I don’t really get what so many people love about Swift, I also
don’t get what some people hate about her so much. I doubt there are many
people alive who have watched more NFL games on TV than I have. They always
have X number of minutes of crowd reaction shots, often of pretty women, or
children, or fat guys with their shirts off. Having a few of those minutes
be of Swift (and often of Kellie’s mother, who got at least as much camera
time on her own in last year’s playoffs as Swift has this year) is hardly a
burden. They don’t really have her on screen very much, never during and
football action. If a mid 30s Beyoncé  was in the early romance stages of
dating Patrick Mahomes and attended most of his games and acted girly and
flirty in the stands I would be demanding much more screen time for her
than what they are giving Swift. And if they devote 2 hours of the Super
Bowl pregame crap to a Taylor Swift hype fest, it would only be an
improvement over what they usually do.

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> And now you know.
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/david-letterman-defends-taylor-swift-travis-kelce-nfl-backlash-1235891216/
>  (link)
> Or, to go directly to the IG, https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2qMrkPAjfw/
>  (link)
> Whatever.
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Super Bowl ratings

[PGage]

Perhaps,  but it it’s not because the SB commercials are on the whole
actually entertaining, it’s because they have marketed the SB commercials
as entertaining.

I learned over Thanksgiving during a long, intense and joyful conversation
with three of my early 20s nieces that I have heard of 3 Taylor Swift songs
(this after I had proclaimed at the table that I could not recognize a
single Swift song, leading to getting charmingly serenaded to like 25 songs
that all sounded roughly the same, but to which the words of three I
recognized). I would so much rather be exposed to 3 or 4 brief cutaways to
Taylor Swift during the Super Bowl than even one SB commercial.

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> > *The NFL’s success at convincing such a large fraction of the population
> > that Super Bowl commercials are so much more entertaining than regular
> > commercials that they justify watching the game for non fans still ranks
> in
> > my book as the number one marketing achievement if the modern age.
>
> I think the advertising industry gets credit for that, not the NFL. As
> someone once said about the Super Bowl, "It's like we have a deal with the
> advertisers. They'll try to make entertaining commercials, and we'll
> watch." (And, yes, some of those commercials succeed more than others.) As
> long as they're spending $7 million for 30 seconds, they can afford to
> throw a few extra bucks at the production, and even the promotion: I'm
> already starting to see commercials previewing Super Bowl commercials.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl ratings

[PGage]

Last January 81% of US men identified as avid or casual NFL fans, vs 59% of
US women. I don’t know the corresponding breakdown for Taylor Swift fans,
but assuming it is at least as skewed the other way towards women, there is
some potential for Swift bringing in new fans to NFL games. But again, this
at best would be a marginal impact I would think.

Plus, as noted, the NFL already has a bunch of non fans sampling the Super
Bowl every year, for the half time show and the commercials*. Swift may
have some measurable improvement on that, but I doubt it’s a game changer.

*The NFL’s success at convincing such a large fraction of the population
that Super Bowl commercials are so much more entertaining than regular
commercials that they justify watching the game for non fans still ranks in
my book as the number one marketing achievement if the modern age.



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> I saw in Matt Belloni's latest email that last week's divisional game got
> a record 50.4m viewers. So I assume that yesterday's will top that. Belloni
> predicts record breaking Super Bowl ratings - although I wonder if that is
> Swift fans, and not just the fact that, in the US, NFL is the monoculture
> now? Wouldn't most Swift fans have been watching the Super Bowl anyway?
>
> Broadcast isn't going away any time soon, with the existing contracts
> running through to 2033 or something. I'd suggest that the ability of
> the NFL to maintain audiences will be more down to its cultural importance
> going forward.
>
> [Side note: The UK, and many other European countries, have lists of
> sporting events that have to be carried on free-to-air TV. That ensures
> that games like the World Cup Final, Wimbledon tennis, the FA Cup Final and
> others are not exclusively on pay-TV. It helps maintain their cultural
> value even if the sports bodies that own those events can't necessarily
> maximise those rights' values. The big outlier here is the Premier League,
> which is not protected in this way for live games. So they're exclusively
> on pay-TV networks - Sky, TNT Sport, Amazon - with only highlights
> protected, currently Match of the Day on the BBC. Yet, the Premier League
> remains the popular sports competition in the country, just with nowhere
> near the pro-rata live audiences that the NFL gets.]
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 5:00 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I think we are still some years off from the Super Bowl being exclusively
>> on Peacock or some other streamer (this year you will have the option of
>> watching on P+).  And while it is difficult to make predictions about
>> absolute broadcast ratings these days, it is a lock that for as long as
>> linear television is a thing, the NFL will increasingly be what keeps it
>> alive, Swift or no Swift.
>>
>> But I guess Steve’s question really is whether Swift fans who did not
>> previously follow the NFL will start after sampling the Super Bowl due to
>> her influence. To a large extent that has been the rationale behind the pop
>> music halftime concerts of course. The NFL has been obscenely successful,
>> so maybe that does work to some extent, and maybe we will see some
>> SwiftEffect on the margins. I suspect any significant Swift Effect though
>> would result from a long term relationship between her and Kelce, with her
>> continuing to post pics on her social media of her watching and enjoying
>> football.
>>
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>>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 3:41 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> As we are at the twilight of broadcast television, it is difficult to
>>> predict how the SuperBowl will fare when viewers must stream it. Sports has
>>> maintained ratings compared to other produced series, but sponsors are
>>> starting to realize that doesn’t automatically lead to audiences buying
>>> advertised products (in fact, rarely does it lead to that).
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 3:37 PM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Super Bowl ratings will spike this year since Taylor Swift will
>>>> likely be there. She is scheduled to play Feb. 10 at the Tokyo Dome. That
>>>> gives her enough time to take her private jet to Las Vegas for the Super
>>>> Bowl.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, will this spike have a lasting effect? Will more people
>>>> watch the Super Bowl in following years, even if Taylor is not there? I
>>>> think it will.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl ratings

[PGage]

I think we are still some years off from the Super Bowl being exclusively
on Peacock or some other streamer (this year you will have the option of
watching on P+).  And while it is difficult to make predictions about
absolute broadcast ratings these days, it is a lock that for as long as
linear television is a thing, the NFL will increasingly be what keeps it
alive, Swift or no Swift.

But I guess Steve’s question really is whether Swift fans who did not
previously follow the NFL will start after sampling the Super Bowl due to
her influence. To a large extent that has been the rationale behind the pop
music halftime concerts of course. The NFL has been obscenely successful,
so maybe that does work to some extent, and maybe we will see some
SwiftEffect on the margins. I suspect any significant Swift Effect though
would result from a long term relationship between her and Kelce, with her
continuing to post pics on her social media of her watching and enjoying
football.

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> As we are at the twilight of broadcast television, it is difficult to
> predict how the SuperBowl will fare when viewers must stream it. Sports has
> maintained ratings compared to other produced series, but sponsors are
> starting to realize that doesn’t automatically lead to audiences buying
> advertised products (in fact, rarely does it lead to that).
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 3:37 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> So Super Bowl ratings will spike this year since Taylor Swift will likely
>> be there. She is scheduled to play Feb. 10 at the Tokyo Dome. That gives
>> her enough time to take her private jet to Las Vegas for the Super Bowl.
>>
>> My question is, will this spike have a lasting effect? Will more people
>> watch the Super Bowl in following years, even if Taylor is not there? I
>> think it will.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Masters of the Air

[PGage]

The Elvis voice definitely is a distraction, not as much as his bad acting,
but still distracting.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 1:44 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV  wrote:

> …In addition, Barry Keoghan (who's a good actor) gives audiences possibly
> the worst "New York" accent in the history of Brits and the Irish playing
> Americans. Guess the producers couldn't find enough American actors since
> there are just so darn few of them. (And, yes, Austin Butler's vocal coach
> should seek a new line of employment.)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Masters of the Air

[PGage]

I know actual WW2 Buffs, and I would not call myself one since I have
nowhere near that kind of command over the details of the key battles. But
I have read a hell of a lot of WW2 books, and seen a lot of films. I didn’t
hate the first two episodes, and I know there is a story to be told here,
but I was disappointed, given the pedigree. I read Band of Brothers when it
was first published, and have seen the series all the way thru at least 5
times; it is in my top 10 of any film or television project of any kind.

Given Hanks, Spielberg and Orloff’s involvement here, I had high
expectations, that so far are not met. The visuals are striking, but the
writing and tone are leaden and heavy handed, and the acting stilted. The
source material for BoB is no doubt superior, and the cast for the BoB
miniseries was unusually strong. I give Masters a B- for now. Hopefully it
gets better, but I’m sure I will watch to the end whether it does or not.

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> I am not a WWII buff. I’m grateful to the greatest generation, but I find
> most movies and TV shows set in that era to be as loud and predictable as a
> Marvel movie. This might be a good series, but for me it had too much
> working against it from the get-go. I’ll just rewatch The Great Escape for
> the 40th time instead.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 1:05 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> I guess since it was based on an original book, the characters really did
>> have nearly the same name? It's the sort of thing that a TV drama would
>> never do, but might regularly happen in a random workplace.
>>
>> In fact, I found it harder to tell anyone apart when they're all wearing
>> face masks over 10,000 ft while flying identical planes and wearing
>> identical uniforms. At least Austin Butler's voice is deep enough that you
>> can't confuse him with anyone else.
>>
>> I did find the scene in the pub in episode 2 amusing when the Americans
>> and the British are being goaded by the British RAF officers. Except that
>> Butler aside, the two main "Americans" in that scene were the British
>> Callum Turner and the Irish Barry Keoghan. And Keoghan's character later
>> has to briefly "put on" an Irish accent...
>>
>> Fun fact: I cycled past an external set of this production back in June
>> 2021! All I saw at the time was a roped off crashed and burnt out cockpit
>> in a field, alongside the usual tell-tale signs of a film crew at work.
>> Wiki says that production began in February that year. So this has been a
>> long time coming.
>>
>> I really liked this and will be sticking with it. Apple TV+ easily has my
>> highest hit-rate for streaming services right now.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:47 AM Jim Ellwanger 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I first saw the title, I thought it was going to be about the early
>>> days of radio broadcasting, but then realized I was confusing it with a
>>> 30-year-old nonfiction book (and Ken Burns documentary) called "Empire of
>>> the Air."
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Let’s tell a WWII drama where all the guys dress alike, then give the
>>> two lead characters the same names. That won’t be pointlessly confusing at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> What is Tom Hanks putting in his coffee?
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Midnight Special on YouTube

[PGage]

I sent the Rufus clip to my kids last night with just that message…

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 5:21 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> and now is the time to find one of your fav clips and post it to your
> socials to tell the young ones "this is what how we had to watch music
> waaay before tiktok/insta/youtube"
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 6:31 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Same; recall it with pleasure, periodically check to see what’s on YT.
>> Thanks so much for this heads up! Looking forward to spending some time on
>> the site and sharing with my kids.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 12:44 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> The Midnight Special is one of those shows from my youth that I remember
>>> fondly and over the years I’ve checked in on YouTube to see if anyone
>>> uploaded videos. I recently checked again and I see there is an official
>>> account. They are slowly uploading full episodes from the beginning of the
>>> series in 1973 and they have about 40 uploaded so far (and they’re still in
>>> 1973). There are also clips of single songs from throughout the run. I’ve
>>> been having fun watching old episodes and I thought I’d share.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Midnight Special on YouTube

[PGage]

Same; recall it with pleasure, periodically check to see what’s on YT.
Thanks so much for this heads up! Looking forward to spending some time on
the site and sharing with my kids.

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> The Midnight Special is one of those shows from my youth that I remember
> fondly and over the years I’ve checked in on YouTube to see if anyone
> uploaded videos. I recently checked again and I see there is an official
> account. They are slowly uploading full episodes from the beginning of the
> series in 1973 and they have about 40 uploaded so far (and they’re still in
> 1973). There are also clips of single songs from throughout the run. I’ve
> been having fun watching old episodes and I thought I’d share.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Road House' Reboot Director Not Nice About Amazon MGM Steaming Film Instead of Theaters

[PGage]

That’s like saying Apple is more interested in selling phones than movies.
Even those of us who simply pay monthly streaming fees should understand
that, so much more those who make movies for them.

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:07 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Doug Liman ("Bourne Identity," "Mr. & Mrs. Smith") says that he made the
> remake of the 1989 Patrick Swayze vehicle (with Jake Gyllenhaal in the
> Swayze role of the world's greatest bouncer who tells his assistants to "be
> nice" until you can't) to be enjoyed in a theater and is pissed that Amazon
> MGM is dropping the film on Prime on Mar. 21 without a theatrical run and
> is so pissed that he will not be attending the screening opening South by
> Southwest in Austin on Mar. 8, claiming that Amazon is more interested in
> selling plumbing fixtures than movies:
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/01/road-house-movie-doug-liman-boycott-sxsw-premiere-amazon-1235803736/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[PGage]

Her ratings are about 66% of Cordon’s in his last year (maybe around 75%
when DVR is included. She makes 50% of Cordon’s $6 Million salary, so maybe
CBS is doing better on net cost. I am surprised they are paying her that
much though, which makes me think they are expecting her to do better in
three months, and that she would become a hotter property down the road and
be cheap at $3 Million.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 7:11 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The follow up question is not, “why isn’t this show doing better?” It’s
> “what could CBS possibly put on in this time slot that would do better?”
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:56 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> The ratings are… unremarkable
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/after-midnight-premiere-week-ratings-cbs-1235806088/amp/
>>
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 1:00 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is
 their acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a master
 of it, bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully throws
 a writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem
 with After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points
 whether or not it’s actually funny.


>>> I think that's why you have to edit ruthlessly on this type of show. I
>>> don't think it's a problem that in the final show, most jokes do, rather
>>> than don't work. But you should lose a good 50% of what you record. And I'm
>>> just not sure you can do that successfully if you're recording only a few
>>> hours before broadcast. Of course, if you're smart, you can lean into
>>> things that don't work. Reference the fact that nobody in the audience gets
>>> it.
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[TV orNotTV] We Will See You On The Radio) RIP Charles Osgood

[PGage]

Have you ever met someone who did not fall in love with Osgood, once they
saw and especially heard him? What an excellent broadcaster and fine
gentleman, who really left his personal mark on the landscape.

===

NEW YORK (AP) — Charles Osgood, who anchored “CBS Sunday Morning” for more
than two decades, was host of the long-running radio program “The Osgood
File” and was referred to as CBS News’ poet-in-residence, has died. He was
91.

CBS reported that Osgood died Tuesday at his home in New Jersey and that
the cause was dementia, according to his family….


https://apnews.com/article/dab8a8afe494c6095e7bb5bd19a07c13


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Buzzy Cohen to host J! after all

[PGage]

This reminds me to ask: WTF with all of the tournament Jeopardy! I see we
can expect it until April. I know the Strike is a big part of it, but gee
whiz, were they expecting the strike to last 6 months longer than it did?
How much Tournament J! Would we have gotten this year if there had not been
a strike? How can they possibly have a TOC next year with such an
abbreviated regular season this year? I have noticed a lot of complaints in
various online forums, but I assume ratings are no lower, or ever higher,
for these Tournaments or they would not be doing them.

I like Tournament J!, but too much of a good thing is a problem, and a
little bit of Second Chance J! Goes a long way/

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 11:31 AM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> If you go to the "Champions Wildcard" page, below the photos of today's
> contestants, it does promote the play-in games with a link to TuneIn. (On
> the TuneIn page, I don't see an obvious link to listen on demand to the two
> episodes that have already been released.)
>
>
> Season 39 Champions Wildcard
> 
> jeopardy.com 
> [image: favicon.ico]
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:14 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> It’s odd that there is no mention of this at all on Jeopardy.com
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 8:28 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> But only two play-in episodes for the Champions Wildcard tournament, and
>> they're audio-only on TuneIn, some of whose content is paywalled (these
>> aren't)...
>>
>> https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/tv/2024/01/jeopardys-buzzy-cohen-takes-over-hosting-duties-after-mayim-bialik-steps-down.html
>>  (article
>> in my local paper, from sister org NJ.com)
>>
>> https://tunein.com/podcasts/Jeopardy-Champions-Wildcard-Play-In-On-Demand-p3926397/?topicId=366938999
>>  (the
>> episodes themselves)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Grand Jury Indicts Baldwin on Involuntary Manslaughter

[PGage]

You are right that the jury may not care about what a reasonable actor on a
set is expected to do, which is the kind of jury nullification this
prosecution is no doubt counting on. But the law does. A guilty verdict
would mean the court is imposing a new criminal standard retroactively on
Baldwin, and all other actors. Everyday common sense tells us we ought not
to punch the guy next to us at a bar in the face, but act it’s do that all
the time. I doubt many take the trouble to ask the actor they are about to
punch if they have their permission to punch them (even to pretend to punch
them). That’s because the rules on a film set are different than every day
life, and actors reasonably rely on the producer, director and production
staff.

As I wrote earlier, if the prosecution does have evidence that Baldwin knew
the gun was loaded, or that there were live rounds on set, in his role as
producer, then that will change everything. But without evidence of that
actual knowledge, if Producer Baldwin was somehow negligent, then he would
have civil liability, and perhaps some kind of criminal exposure, but not
the kind of involuntary manslaughter charge actor Baldwin is facing.

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 at 4:28 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:37 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I am not sure how they define stupid in Nevada (having spent a lot of
>> time there over the years visiting relatives, I would guess they have a
>> high tolerance for it) but the bar in this case is negligence, or
>> indifference for the safety of others. The fact that the actors union
>> states that actors are not expected to check whether guns they are given to
>> use in scenes are loaded, and that everyone agrees everyone on set was told
>> there were no live rounds at all on set, establishes the standard of
>> negligence, or “stupidity” here.
>>
>
> Baldwin was not merely an actor, but a producer. If they can prove that,
> as producer, Baldwin was aware safety procedures were not being followed
> (and might have been directly responsible for the unsafe conditions), then
> they need only prove that Baldwin, as actor, acted recklessly under those
> circumstances by not inspecting the weapon. Union expectations do not
> supersede common sense firearms handling. The law isn’t going to care about
> an actor’s contractual obligations, nor — I suspect — will a jury. The law
> will care whether a person handling a gun with the intent to fire it
> ignored the safe handling of the weapon before pointing it at others and
> pulling the trigger. Forensics disproved Baldwin’s claim that he did not
> pull the trigger, and I suspect that report factored heavily in the grand
> jury’s indictment; he lied to police about his actions, which makes
> anything else he said suspect in the eyes of the law.
>
>
>> This is the main criticism of the decision to charge; they are using as
>> the standard real life situations - if I am drinking beers with you in my
>> basement, aim a gun at you and pull the trigger (or even cock the hammer),
>> and it goes off and kills you, I am negligent or “stupid”, as I acted in
>> reckless disregard for your safety. But an actor on a movie set is in a
>> very different situation, with different expectations. Not clear how they
>> can argue that Baldwin, as an actor, should have know there was a live
>> round in the gun, or should have checked the gun before using it, when no
>> other actor on that set would have been expected to do that, and the vast
>> majority of actors on all other Union sets would not be expected to do that.
>>
>> As several have pointed out, Baldwin the producer may well be liable for
>> not hiring competent people and not enforcing adequate safety standards.
>>
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>>
>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 at 2:03 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> In Nevada, felony stupid can bring a second degree murder conviction.
>>> Sounds like that is what the New Mexico prosecutors want to prove
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 12:25 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Helpful summary in the NYT of the legal issues and challenges facing NM
>>>> prosecutors in the Baldwin case. Again, unless they have some surprise
>>>> evidence that Baldwin either planted the live rounds himself, or knew there
>>>> were live rounds and used the prop gun anyway, this seems like an instance
>>>> of overcharging.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “If the case reaches trial, the challenge prosecutors face will be
>>>> convincing a jury that Baldwin was guilty of either 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Grand Jury Indicts Baldwin on Involuntary Manslaughter

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I am not sure how they define stupid in Nevada (having spent a lot of time
there over the years visiting relatives, I would guess they have a high
tolerance for it) but the bar in this case is negligence, or indifference
for the safety of others. The fact that the actors union states that actors
are not expected to check whether guns they are given to use in scenes are
loaded, and that everyone agrees everyone on set was told there were no
live rounds at all on set, establishes the standard of negligence, or
“stupidity” here.

This is the main criticism of the decision to charge; they are using as the
standard real life situations - if I am drinking beers with you in my
basement, aim a gun at you and pull the trigger (or even cock the hammer),
and it goes off and kills you, I am negligent or “stupid”, as I acted in
reckless disregard for your safety. But an actor on a movie set is in a
very different situation, with different expectations. Not clear how they
can argue that Baldwin, as an actor, should have know there was a live
round in the gun, or should have checked the gun before using it, when no
other actor on that set would have been expected to do that, and the vast
majority of actors on all other Union sets would not be expected to do that.

As several have pointed out, Baldwin the producer may well be liable for
not hiring competent people and not enforcing adequate safety standards.

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 at 2:03 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> In Nevada, felony stupid can bring a second degree murder conviction.
> Sounds like that is what the New Mexico prosecutors want to prove
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 12:25 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Helpful summary in the NYT of the legal issues and challenges facing NM
>> prosecutors in the Baldwin case. Again, unless they have some surprise
>> evidence that Baldwin either planted the live rounds himself, or knew there
>> were live rounds and used the prop gun anyway, this seems like an instance
>> of overcharging.
>>
>>
>> =
>>
>>
>> “If the case reaches trial, the challenge prosecutors face will be
>> convincing a jury that Baldwin was guilty of either the negligent use of a
>> firearm or of acting with “total disregard or indifference for the safety
>> of others” — even though investigators found he was told on the day of the
>> shooting that the gun he was rehearsing with contained no live rounds, and
>> even though the film set was not supposed to have any live ammunition at
>> all…
>>
>>
>> The outcome of the case at trial — the State of New Mexico vs. Alexander
>> (Alec) Rae Baldwin — would hinge on how jurors view two key questions:
>> Should Baldwin have known of the danger involved in his actions that day?
>> And, using a term of art in criminal law, did he act with a “willful
>> disregard for the safety of others”?
>>
>>
>> “I think it’s an uphill battle,” said Steve Aarons, a veteran defense
>> lawyer in New Mexico. “There is no reason for live rounds to be there. It’s
>> a little different than other situations where you have a firearm and you
>> assume any bullet that is there would be a live round.”…
>>
>>
>> But the prosecutors will probably take the straightforward position that
>> anyone who agrees to handle a gun is responsible for what happens next,
>> said Joshua Kastenberg, a criminal law professor at the University of New
>> Mexico and a former prosecutor…
>>
>>
>> The new case, said Marc A. Grano, a lawyer and former prosecutor in New
>> Mexico, will most likely become a back-and-forth over what is “standard
>> practice” in the film and TV industry, a battle that may include
>> conflicting opinions and examples.
>>
>>
>> After the original criminal case was brought against Baldwin last year,
>> the Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio
>> Artists, the union representing film and TV actors, opposed the
>> prosecutors’ contention that actors were responsible for ensuring that the
>> guns they were handed on set were safe to handle, saying, “an actor’s job
>> is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.”
>>
>>
>> https://news.yahoo.com/legal-center-alec-baldwin-criminal-153342056.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 5:14 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> As I have said all along, it does not seem they have evidence he acted
>>> criminally in handling the gun. As you say, he may well have substantial
>>> civil responsibility as a producer.
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 3:35 PM Kevin M. 
>&

Re: [TV orNotTV] Grand Jury Indicts Baldwin on Involuntary Manslaughter

[PGage]

Helpful summary in the NYT of the legal issues and challenges facing NM
prosecutors in the Baldwin case. Again, unless they have some surprise
evidence that Baldwin either planted the live rounds himself, or knew there
were live rounds and used the prop gun anyway, this seems like an instance
of overcharging.


=


“If the case reaches trial, the challenge prosecutors face will be
convincing a jury that Baldwin was guilty of either the negligent use of a
firearm or of acting with “total disregard or indifference for the safety
of others” — even though investigators found he was told on the day of the
shooting that the gun he was rehearsing with contained no live rounds, and
even though the film set was not supposed to have any live ammunition at
all…


The outcome of the case at trial — the State of New Mexico vs. Alexander
(Alec) Rae Baldwin — would hinge on how jurors view two key questions:
Should Baldwin have known of the danger involved in his actions that day?
And, using a term of art in criminal law, did he act with a “willful
disregard for the safety of others”?


“I think it’s an uphill battle,” said Steve Aarons, a veteran defense
lawyer in New Mexico. “There is no reason for live rounds to be there. It’s
a little different than other situations where you have a firearm and you
assume any bullet that is there would be a live round.”…


But the prosecutors will probably take the straightforward position that
anyone who agrees to handle a gun is responsible for what happens next,
said Joshua Kastenberg, a criminal law professor at the University of New
Mexico and a former prosecutor…


The new case, said Marc A. Grano, a lawyer and former prosecutor in New
Mexico, will most likely become a back-and-forth over what is “standard
practice” in the film and TV industry, a battle that may include
conflicting opinions and examples.


After the original criminal case was brought against Baldwin last year, the
Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists,
the union representing film and TV actors, opposed the prosecutors’
contention that actors were responsible for ensuring that the guns they
were handed on set were safe to handle, saying, “an actor’s job is not to
be a firearms or weapons expert.”


https://news.yahoo.com/legal-center-alec-baldwin-criminal-153342056.html



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> As I have said all along, it does not seem they have evidence he acted
> criminally in handling the gun. As you say, he may well have substantial
> civil responsibility as a producer.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 3:35 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I’m sure his lawyers will somehow weasel him out of this one, but he
>> should be held to account for his culpability as producer.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 12:41 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> “SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — A grand jury indicted Alec Baldwin on Friday on
>>> an involuntary manslaughter charge in a 2021 fatal shooting during a
>>> rehearsal on a movie set in New Mexico, reviving a dormant case against the
>>> actor.
>>>
>>> Special prosecutors brought the case before a grand jury in Santa Fe
>>> this week, months after receiving a new analysis of the gun that was used.
>>> They declined to answer questions after spending about a day and a half
>>> presenting their case to the grand jury.
>>>
>>> Defense attorneys for Baldwin indicated they’ll fight the charges.
>>>
>>> “We look forward to our day in court,” said Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro,
>>> defense attorneys for Baldwin, in an email.
>>>
>>> While the proceeding is shrouded in secrecy, two of the witnesses seen
>>> at the courthouse included crew members — one who was present when the
>>> fatal shot was fired and another who had walked off the set the day before
>>> due to safety concerns….”
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/59e437602146168ced27fd8e03acb636
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[PGage]

That was I who said that, and I am old enough that Tina Fey seems like a
young woman to me. She is not too old to do the job, obviously, since the
guy she would be replacing is older than dirt. But she is too old to be a
young, hip producer of new and subversive forms of comedy. I think that is
self evident.

Lorne Michael’s long awaited retirement should be, it seems to me, an
opportunity for SNL to finally stop cloning paler and weaker versions of
itself, and try to recapture the energy of its original incarnation, when
it was defined mostly by what it was trying not to be - not the Carol
Burnett Show, not Bob Hope, not Johnny Carson. I have no idea what that
would look like today, or if it is possible, but I would rather see them
fail trying rather than more of the same. I won’t retract the age comment,
though perhaps I should state what to me is obvious, which is that Fey
would do a much better job of doing the current version of SNL than Lorne
does.

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> I'll just add that I resent someone saying that at 53, Fey is too old for
> the job.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:58 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> Lorne’s superpower was that nobody at NBC would mess with him. Once he’s
>> out of the picture the new showrunner will have to answer to all of the
>> network’s executives. It’s a wonder the show lasted as long as it did with
>> him and it won’t last long without him.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:08 PM Dave Sikula  wrote:
>>
>>> Plus, I would think Fey has too many other real projects (and common
>>> sense) to want to take that nightmare on.
>>>
>>> —Dave Sikula
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:50 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, Lorne mentioned in interviews during his CA Emmys trip that
>>> he is planning on staying with the show through the 50th anniversary
>>> special in January of 2025, but hinted he would retire soon after. He
>>> agreed to a suggestion that Tina Fey is one of several who has what it
>>> takes to replace him.
>>>
>>> Fey does make sense in many ways, except…she old. Michaels was around 30
>>> when he started SNL, and was in touch personally or culturally with much of
>>> the cutting edge in comedy and music. Fey is 53. Of course Lorne wants
>>> someone who will tend the flame and not reinvent the show. Still, I might
>>> be looking for someone like some Writer/Producer who worked with like Conan
>>> or TDS and is in their 30s.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lorne-michaels-retiring-snl-just-153758117.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 10:23 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Written and directed by Jason Reitman for Sony, "SNL 1975" tells the
>>>> story behind-the-scenes of the weeks before the NBC late-night institution
>>>> began its run--Gabriel LaBelle, who played the Spielberg stand-in in "The
>>>> Fabelmans," is playing Lorne, with Cooper Hoffman ("Licorice Pizza") as
>>>> Lorne's immediate NBC boss Dick Ebersol and Rachel Sennott ("The Idol,"
>>>> "Bottoms") as Rosie Schuster, Lorne's wife and a writer on the show--the
>>>> question is, who's playing the Not Ready for Prime Time Players:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://deadline.com/2024/01/the-fablemans-gabriel-labelle-lorne-michaels-snl-1975-cooper-hoffman-rachel-sennott-1235797505/
>>>>
>>>> And of course Sikula and Marousek will hate it.
>>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[PGage]

Meanwhile, Lorne mentioned in interviews during his CA Emmys trip that he
is planning on staying with the show through the 50th anniversary special
in January of 2025, but hinted he would retire soon after. He agreed to a
suggestion that Tina Fey is one of several who has what it takes to replace
him.

Fey does make sense in many ways, except…she old. Michaels was around 30
when he started SNL, and was in touch personally or culturally with much of
the cutting edge in comedy and music. Fey is 53. Of course Lorne wants
someone who will tend the flame and not reinvent the show. Still, I might
be looking for someone like some Writer/Producer who worked with like Conan
or TDS and is in their 30s.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lorne-michaels-retiring-snl-just-153758117.html


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> Written and directed by Jason Reitman for Sony, "SNL 1975" tells the story
> behind-the-scenes of the weeks before the NBC late-night institution began
> its run--Gabriel LaBelle, who played the Spielberg stand-in in "The
> Fabelmans," is playing Lorne, with Cooper Hoffman ("Licorice Pizza") as
> Lorne's immediate NBC boss Dick Ebersol and Rachel Sennott ("The Idol,"
> "Bottoms") as Rosie Schuster, Lorne's wife and a writer on the show--the
> question is, who's playing the Not Ready for Prime Time Players:
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/01/the-fablemans-gabriel-labelle-lorne-michaels-snl-1975-cooper-hoffman-rachel-sennott-1235797505/
>
> And of course Sikula and Marousek will hate it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Maher to Calif. governor: "Why didn't you take a more active role in resolving the strikes?"

[PGage]

Better question for Gavin: Why are you giving oxygen to an intellectually
lazy, morally toxic spent force like Maher?

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> Newsom: We were doing a very good job behind the scenes, and attempts to
> mediate were turned down on both sides...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/gavin-newsom-hollywood-strikes-bill-maher-real-time-1235793990/
>  (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Grand Jury Indicts Baldwin on Involuntary Manslaughter

[PGage]

As I have said all along, it does not seem they have evidence he acted
criminally in handling the gun. As you say, he may well have substantial
civil responsibility as a producer.

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> I’m sure his lawyers will somehow weasel him out of this one, but he
> should be held to account for his culpability as producer.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 12:41 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>>
>> “SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — A grand jury indicted Alec Baldwin on Friday on an
>> involuntary manslaughter charge in a 2021 fatal shooting during a rehearsal
>> on a movie set in New Mexico, reviving a dormant case against the actor.
>>
>> Special prosecutors brought the case before a grand jury in Santa Fe this
>> week, months after receiving a new analysis of the gun that was used. They
>> declined to answer questions after spending about a day and a half
>> presenting their case to the grand jury.
>>
>> Defense attorneys for Baldwin indicated they’ll fight the charges.
>>
>> “We look forward to our day in court,” said Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro,
>> defense attorneys for Baldwin, in an email.
>>
>> While the proceeding is shrouded in secrecy, two of the witnesses seen
>> at the courthouse included crew members — one who was present when the
>> fatal shot was fired and another who had walked off the set the day before
>> due to safety concerns….”
>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/59e437602146168ced27fd8e03acb636
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Grand Jury Indicts Baldwin on Involuntary Manslaughter

[PGage]

“SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — A grand jury indicted Alec Baldwin on Friday on an
involuntary manslaughter charge in a 2021 fatal shooting during a rehearsal
on a movie set in New Mexico, reviving a dormant case against the actor.

Special prosecutors brought the case before a grand jury in Santa Fe this
week, months after receiving a new analysis of the gun that was used. They
declined to answer questions after spending about a day and a half
presenting their case to the grand jury.

Defense attorneys for Baldwin indicated they’ll fight the charges.

“We look forward to our day in court,” said Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro,
defense attorneys for Baldwin, in an email.

While the proceeding is shrouded in secrecy, two of the witnesses seen at
the courthouse included crew members — one who was present when the fatal
shot was fired and another who had walked off the set the day before due to
safety concerns….”


https://apnews.com/article/59e437602146168ced27fd8e03acb636

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[PGage]

I only mildly enjoyed the original. I didn’t find it as instantly hateable
as most here, but did find it mildly repulsive. As Tom says, some fraction
of the badness is they are still working it out. Tomlinson, who I find
pretty likable outside of this, comes across as stiff and her voice is
grating. I think there is a chance she finds her register and stride and
reaches the mildly enjoyable level. As all have said, there is no chance of
that if they keep it as long as this. Also, I think Tomlinson needs to
develop a little more of an edge with the panelists so she can tease them a
little for clunker jokes. Last thought: give her a screen in her eye line
so she is not constantly looking over her shoulder and away from the
camera/viewer.

If the show gets better someone please post an advisory here. I doubt I
will go out of my way to watch it again without some encouragement.

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> As always with new shows it’s going to take time for them to find their
> rhythm and their sweet spots. That said, I don’t know how much better it
> can be. It would certainly be better as a half hour show and they have to
> find panel members who thrive in that format. The show looked to me like a
> social media version of America’s Funniest Videos. That show can go on
> forever because it’s so cheap to make but its writers get burned out by all
> the repetition.
>
> I’ll check in on it again in 3 months to see if they’ve found their
> footing.
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 11:51 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Colbert has put segments on Youtube, tho I don't think he started till
>> the show had been around a few years... B
>>
>> Adam Bowie, to Kevin M et al, in partJan 17th:
>>
>> I'm not totally sure why this exists in this spot in the schedule.
>> There's no obvious virality to it, and you've got to hope that it's being
>> made for YouTube views as much as linear viewing. Having things in the news
>> to bounce off is good, although obviously limits repeatability, but I think
>> doing multiple editions per week is going to wear quickly.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Emmy winners

[PGage]

The Emmy winner list seemed like a duplication of TV part of GG a week ago,
which was kind of wierd. Awards voters love The Bear (as do I), but maybe
spread it around a bit? Oddly, I read the GG was for Season 2 and Emmys for
S1. They also love White Lotus and Succession, which I do not, but whatever…

Except, 1 both GG and Emmy rewarded what for me is the worst part of
Succession (Culkin) while the Emmys completed the biggest series “Fuck You”
in the history of television to “Better Call Saul”, which for my money was
as good or better than “Breaking Bad”, which itself was one of the 10 best
drams in the history of television. Odenkirk and particularly Rhea Seehorn
were so deserving of an award. The show now holds the record for most
nominations in Emmy history (53 according to the Wikis) without a singe win.



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> Culkin follows his Globie... *The Bear, Beef, Succession * all do well,
> Philly rejoices as Quinta Brunson is top comedy actress... and John Oliver
> rules late night again...
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/arts/television/emmy-winners-list.html
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

[PGage]

That’s right, for people like those who participate in a list like this,
Shales was a net positive force. He believed television should and could be
better than it was when he started in the 70s and 80s, and, despite the
ever presence of a thick layer of slime, the top layer of television is
better, and deeper than it was when he started his career. That is not due
only or mostly to Shales, but I think it is in part a function of the
sensibility and expectations that Shales contributed to. Still, also true
that for for someone who made his mark in a career in popular
entertainment, he did not often seem to be having a good time.

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> I remember reading him in the Washington Post decades ago when I lived in
> the DC area. He took TV seriously as a cultural force and not just mindless
> entertainment.
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s been years since I even heard his name. As I recall, he tried to use
>> television criticism as a form of social criticism, but he didn’t seem to
>> like television (or society) very much.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage <
>>> pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
>>> this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
>>> with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
>>> often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
>>> ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
>>> writing about.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> His Post obit:
>>>
>>> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

[PGage]

He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
writing about.

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> His Post obit:
>
> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Globes Host is Jo Koy--Who?

[PGage]

Same. But as someone I know who covers that industry told me yesterday, the
GGs are only about PR and marketing. Most of those folks don’t really take
it seriously.

Martin Scorsese and Meryl Streep  show up because they want their movies to
be seen and enjoyed, which also makes them more money and makes it easier
for them to get their next movie made. Also the perception (with some, but
only some, support) that GG noms and wins help with Oscar noms and wins.
Oscar has some perceived actual respect and honor, but also more on the
marketing and profit.

Matt Belloni at Puck News has been saying the whole reason the corruption
and racism at HFP became an issue recently was because of a power play by a
group of influential publicists who didn’t like how HFP managed the
publicity created by the GG process and wanted a system that gave them more
control. In the new GGs, they got that.



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> Frankly, given what is now common knowledge about what a scam the Golden
> Globes are and the lack of character of the people who select them, I’m
> more than a little annoyed by people I generally respect who participated
> in the show again this week.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:29 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael Che suggesting comedians should boycott award shows...
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C11qldcLvmF/ (link, hat-tip NY Daily News'
>> SNYde column
>> <https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/01/08/michael-che-jo-koy-golden-globes-criticism-comics-should-boycott-hosting-award-shows/?lctg=D4D2A49FF452945A4445354243_source=newsletter_medium=email_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.nydailynews.com%2f2024%2f01%2f08%2fmichael-che-jo-koy-golden-globes-criticism-comics-should-boycott-hosting-award-shows%2f_campaign=The-Daily-News-Flash_content=hybrid>
>> )
>> B
>>
>> PGage, Jan 8th:
>>
>> I do wish Koy had asked for and taken my advice; he would have been
>> better off skipping this gig. I don’t think his set went over well. Not
>> really his fault - they didn’t give him much time to prepare, and he did
>> not have the status to really kid around with big stars. The audience
>> looked like they were all saying “who the fuck is this guy?”.  Even my wife
>> didn’t really dig it very much. He would have been better off doing 3 min
>> of his Filipino son schtick and then leaning into his outsider status,
>> rather than trying to be Billy Crystal. You know you are in trouble when
>> you are an Asian comedian and Will Ferrell gets a bigger laugh for his
>> sushi joke than you do.
>>
>> But he did his job; filled the space while cameras verified that all the
>> big names showed up (I counted two big names from Succession as only
>> notable absences. Also Ricky Gervais).
>>
>> Nothing very notable happened - probably Lily Gladstone winning for
>> Flower Moon, while not surprising, was most interesting. The two flavors of
>> Hollywood liberal did not fight it out in public over Israel, as some
>> feared.  Mostly seemed to demonstrate that the GGs had been detoxified and
>> Hollywood was clear to again use it to hype their films and careers. I
>> suspect we will see a bigger named host next year.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Globes Host is Jo Koy--Who?

[PGage]

I do wish Koy had asked for and taken my advice; he would have been better
off skipping this gig. I don’t think his set went over well. Not really his
fault - they didn’t give him much time to prepare, and he did not have the
status to really kid around with big stars. The audience looked like they
were all saying “who the fuck is this guy?”.  Even my wife didn’t really
dig it very much. He would have been better off doing 3 min of his Filipino
son schtick and then leaning into his outsider status, rather than trying
to be Billy Crystal. You know you are in trouble when you are an Asian
comedian and Will Ferrell gets a bigger laugh for his sushi joke than you
do.

But he did his job; filled the space while cameras verified that all the
big names showed up (I counted two big names from Succession as only
notable absences. Also Ricky Gervais).

Nothing very notable happened - probably Lily Gladstone winning for Flower
Moon, while not surprising, was most interesting. The two flavors of
Hollywood liberal did not fight it out in public over Israel, as some
feared.  Mostly seemed to demonstrate that the GGs had been detoxified and
Hollywood was clear to again use it to hype their films and careers. I
suspect we will see a bigger named host next year.

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> We are big fans of Jo Koy, so he is not unheralded in our house. Have seen
> him live a few times, seen his act either on cable or streaming. A lot of
> his humor has to do with growing up with a Filipina mother; my wife was
> note in Manila and grew up in Hawaii, so she is dead center demo. I laugh
> even when he’s not funny because it makes me smile to see my wife so happy.
>
> Point holds, while Moy is a successful, professional stand up comic, as
> little as three years age it would be unthinkable that a comic of his lid,
> niche level would get the GG hosting gig. Today, well, if he checked with
> me I would tell him he was slumming and damaging his brand. Still, I guess
> if he kills he will jump the line.
>
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>
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 at 7:09 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> The relatively unheralded standup is fronting the Globescast on Jan. 7 on
>> CBS, since the strategy of a relatively-unknown standup hosting worked so
>> well last time (in case you forgot, Jarrod Carmichael tore the Hollywood
>> Foreign Press Association a new one for their many years of improprieties
>> on the last telecast):
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/golden-globes-host-2024-jo-koy/
>>
>> Guess neither Wayne Brady, Drew Carey, Colbert nor Cedric the Entertainer
>> was available (and Penske/dcp didn't want "Entertainment Tonight" people
>> hosting like the Daytime Emmys this year), Lorne told Tina and Amy not to
>> go on CBS and no way in hell is Ricky getting the gig again.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[PGage]

“Washes its face”? Is that a Britishism I have not run into yet on Britbox
or Acorn?

I can’t recall the last time I listened to the radio - probably if there
was a breaking news story and I was in car for a long trip. I used to be
able to say I listened to the radio a lot for SF Giants games (baseball is
a sport that is as good or better on radio than television), but now I do
access all my baseball on demand thru streaming TV. I bought a new car this
year which came with a free six month subscription to Sirius (just expiring
this week) and I never used it once.

I am Spotify or Audiobooks when driving or walking. I listen to a lot of
music while working (I have a lot of writing to do), all Spotify.

But I guess someone is listening to the radio…

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On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 at 11:39 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> US radio is still insanely profitable, turning over around $13bn in
> revenues in 2023. For context, US podcast revenues were forecast to be
> about $2bn.
>
> The main problem in recent years has been insane debt levels caused by all
> the consolidation that just couldn't be serviced. Everyone biting off way
> more than they could chew. The underlying business of radio is still
> perfectly viable commercially.
>
> So although broadcast radio may be in long-term decline, like broadcast
> television, and owners might indeed be playing the same six songs over and
> over, but they still have audiences... That's a creative issue.
>
> Also, a bit like streaming TV services mostly just lose money, Spotify
> only just about washes its face. We seem to have moved into an era where
> the new services replacing the old, are not remotely as profitable as the
> outgoing business models...
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:12 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
>> over and over. Go figure.
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/
>>
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Question for the brain trust: Best courtroom depiction

[PGage]

Second Vinny. I’m not a lawyer, but used to work on a unit for people found
incompetent to stand trial, and a lot of our job was to stage Mock Trials
so they could learn and demonstrate sufficient understanding of court
proceedings to be found competent. We found Vinny to be uniquely valuable,
both because of its accuracy and its structure, which is basically teaching
a novice lawyer how to conduct a trial.

Perry is not so much inaccurate (he is, but not as much as often claimed)
but in the TV show he rarely goes to trial.  Most of what we see is a
Preliminary Hearing, where judges have a lot of discretion to waive formal
procedures, since there is no jury. So not a helpful teaching tool.

Law and Order could be useful, but you would probably need a knowledgeable
attorney to pick and choose excerpts from several episodes to get useful
examples of a whole trial.

Probably not appropriate for Middle School, but I like most of the court
stuff on Goliath.





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> I love this reply.   Thank you Adam, and welcome.
>
> May I suggest Legally Blonde?  :)
>
> More seriously, the only thing I've watched recently with courtrooms was
> the Netflix Lincoln Lawyer.Some of that might cover your desired
> elements.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 4:08 PM Adam Snavely  wrote:
>
>> Longtime listener first time caller.
>>
>> It may sound counter intuitive, but My Cousin Vinny is frequently used in
>> law school and continuing legal education trainings. Same with Few Good
>> Men. Obviously you’d need to edit it to get them down to the required run
>> time.  I remember really enjoying the first season of Murder One, but it’s
>> been a long time so I can’t comment on the realism anymore.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Adam J. Snavely
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 2:55 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to show my middle school class how a courtroom functions. Opening
>>> statements, examination, cross examination, closing arguments. Should be
>>> one hour or less. Looking for the best example.
>>>
>>> It’s harder than you think. Perry Mason is unrealistic in nearly every
>>> episode. LA Law doesn’t show most trials complete.
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Globes Host is Jo Koy--Who?

[PGage]

We are big fans of Jo Koy, so he is not unheralded in our house. Have seen
him live a few times, seen his act either on cable or streaming. A lot of
his humor has to do with growing up with a Filipina mother; my wife was
note in Manila and grew up in Hawaii, so she is dead center demo. I laugh
even when he’s not funny because it makes me smile to see my wife so happy.

Point holds, while Moy is a successful, professional stand up comic, as
little as three years age it would be unthinkable that a comic of his lid,
niche level would get the GG hosting gig. Today, well, if he checked with
me I would tell him he was slumming and damaging his brand. Still, I guess
if he kills he will jump the line.

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> The relatively unheralded standup is fronting the Globescast on Jan. 7 on
> CBS, since the strategy of a relatively-unknown standup hosting worked so
> well last time (in case you forgot, Jarrod Carmichael tore the Hollywood
> Foreign Press Association a new one for their many years of improprieties
> on the last telecast):
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/golden-globes-host-2024-jo-koy/
>
> Guess neither Wayne Brady, Drew Carey, Colbert nor Cedric the Entertainer
> was available (and Penske/dcp didn't want "Entertainment Tonight" people
> hosting like the Daytime Emmys this year), Lorne told Tina and Amy not to
> go on CBS and no way in hell is Ricky getting the gig again.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon Prime Starting Ads on Jan. 29

[PGage]

I got their email this week, but they said it was $2.99/month (not $3.99)
to avoid the ads. They said they will have “meaningfully” fewer ads than
linear tv and other streamers.

As noted here on other threads, The default is to accept the ads, unlike
other services, where the default was to accept the extra payment, and you
had to do something to go with ads.

If the ads are minimal, and they’re mostly at the beginning of programs, I
may stay with the basic service. I’m gonna try it for a little while and
see how it goes.

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> They said they were going to do it and they are, but there was much
> weeping and gnashing of teeth on social media when they started sending out
> Emails to subscribers this week--if you don't want commercials, plunk down
> $3.99 more a month, just like you plunk down more for everyone else:
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/amazon-prime-video-ads-date/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[PGage]

This is a helpful piece, not so much because of a lot of new reporting, but
because it brings together just about everything that has been reported
into one place.

I was glad to have confirmed what I thought was true, which is that ratings
were not significantly different for the two hosts (syndicated or prime
time). I think in the end this hurt Bialik, as the main logic I can see for
her hosting is that she would expand the popularity of the show to a new
audience, drawn either because of a female host, or familiarity with her
sit com work. If that was not happening, then the hosting question becomes
more “which is serving the traditional Jeopardy! Audience better? And the
answer to that question was always clear.

I do wish that McNear had been able to identify the main reason they let
her go. Instead she provides three main reasons: 1) She irritated producers
with her refusing to work during the strikes; 2) She was not as good at
hosting as Ken; 3) She had more hard, polarizing edges than Ken.

Of these, I think #2 is the most important, in that if she was widely seen
by the core fan base as better at hosting the show than Ken, I think the
producers would have had to swallow #1 and #3. Since she wasn’t, one can
see why they would not want to put up with #1 and #3.

I have done deep dives into her pseudoscience on brain health and vaccines,
but was only imagining what she might have been saying about Hamas attacks
and Israeli response in Gaza, and how that might have influenced the
hosting decision. I will just say that any friend of Israel (among which I
have long counted myself) who in October of 2023 thought it would be
helpful to make “You might be an Antisemite” jokes online had serious
judgement impairment, approaching delusional intensity if they thought
Bialik linking that kind of thing with the Jeopardy brand would somehow
enhance her chances to keep working for the show.

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> And now Claire McNear, whose reporting helped bring down Mike Richards,
> tells the story of Mayim's departure:
>
> https://www.theringer.com/tv/2023/12/27/24015707/mayim-bialik-jeopardy-main-host-history-ken-jennings-writers-strike
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:43:28 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> THR's Alex Weprin discusses things with Ken... the celebrities, he said,
>> appear to be far more terrified than a regular-show contestant...
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-host-ken-jennings-mayim-bialik-exit-celebrity-jeopardy-semifinals-1235766161/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> Tom Wolper, to M-D November, Dec 20th:
>>
>> In any internet pile-on most participants are expressing their own
>> outrage or pushing their agendas with no regard for the well being of the
>> object they’re outraged about. Sony was right to be sensitive about
>> choosing their host as they didn’t want to be at the center of an outrage
>> storm that could tank ratings. And Ken probably did better than expected in
>> settling in as the host.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tommy Smothers

[PGage]

Me too. I was a kid when their show was in, but my parents were huge fans.
I didn’t get all of their routines until I got older, but we knew they were
against the war in Vietnam. And the acts they had on were amazing.

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> This one hits me deeper than most other announcements. Maybe because they
> were so completely original as an act.
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 1:10 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> The last time I counted, I have more albums on vinyl by the Smothers
>> Brothers than any other artist. Their comedy is timeless. They can be
>> simultaneously silly and intellectual.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/27/entertainment/tom-smothers-death/index.html
>>
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Warners wants to screw up Paramount, too

[PGage]

Rumors about this have been swirling for a while. The Puck News folks have
been discussing pros and cons of Zaz going after Paramount Global or its
parent company, National Amusements ( with corporate finance issues at
stake way above my ability to even pretend to decode), and the original
Axios story on this says that it still could go either way.

Of course WBD itself will likely eventually be breaking itself into pieces
and selling off to someone like Comcast. So this could be CBS and Showtime
merging with CNN and HBO and then with NBC (that is the merger that will
have real antitrust hurdles).

The Feds will have to sort through the competition issues, but really
consolidation in the television+streaming business at least (not so sure
about film production) is inevitable and probably desirable. I will be
happy to only subscribe to a combined Max+Paramount,rather than two,
hopefully with at least some net price break.

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> Merger talks are underway.
>
> Someone in government has to cry “monopoly” at some point, don’t they?
>
>
> https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/warner-bros-discovery-paramount-merger-talks-1235847958/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[PGage]

Puck News’ Matt Belloni reports this evening that Bialik’s ouster is very
much about her refusal to cross the picket lines (though Is till think if
she were better at the job they would have kept her). He also says it’s
possible she could return next year for Network Jeopardy!, but don’t bet on
it:



“…while Sony insists the parting is to “maintain continuity” for viewers,
Bialik’s actions during the strike were at least a contributing factor,
according to three sources close to the show. Sony declined to comment
beyond its statement.

Sony TV executive *Suzanne Prete* and executive producer *Michael Davies* were
furious when Bialik said in May that she would step away from the final
week of filming last season in solidarity with the show’s striking writers.
After all, *Jeopardy!* and *Wheel of Fortune* are well-oiled machines,
requiring precise timing to make the show’s five-episodes-a-day schedule.
Plus, Bialik wasn’t loved on set, and Sony had switched up shooting that
season to accommodate her Fox sitcom, *Call Me Kat*. Bialik’s reps were
told that by refusing to perform, she was in breach of her contract, which
began with an annual salary of $4 million (that includes her primetime
*Jeopardy!* work), and has increased by $1 million each year. Jennings, who
stepped in on those final episodes, is paid the same.

Post-strikes, Bialik had expected business as usual, but Sony recently
informed her that her services won’t be needed next season. She was offered
the chance to stay on for the rest of this season, but she said no thanks.
Assuming the primetime *Celebrity Jeopardy!* and the college tournament are
renewed by ABC for 2024-25 (a safe bet), she may still stay on those. But
given her anger, I’ll be a bit surprised if that happens.”

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> I have been re-reading media reports from back in August about Celebrity
> Jeopardy! My memory had been that that Ken was filling in for her while she
> honored the Strikes, but it seems that was only true for the final week of
> the previous season. In August they announced that Bialik would not be
> hosting the new season of CJ.
>
> So, it now seems to me that she had two separate contracts, one to be the
> sole host of CJ, another to be one of two alternating hosts of regular (or,
> significantly, syndicated) Jeopardy! In August they announced she was not
> going to return as the host of season 2 of CJ, and yesterday they announced
> that she was not going to be returning as a host of syndicated Jeopardy! I
> can only assume the details of her contract allowed for the decision to be
> made now.
>
> As I feared, there has been antisemitic shit online about her. What I
> should have anticipated but did not was there has been even more MAGA
> posturing that she was fired because she was Jewish or pro Israel.
>
> For the record, I believe it is clear that she was let go because she so
> clearly is not nearly as good at the job as Jennings. That became more and
> more clear with every show either one of them did. In the long history of
> the show they have never had alternating hosts, and there is no reason why
> that is needed or would be a good thing now. As much as I prefer Ken, I
> think I would have rather they make Bialik the sole host than continue to
> alternate, as I found it impossible to get close to habituating to her
> style when I still hoped I would be seeing Ken. Every Monday show when they
> introduced Bialik was a frustrating let down for me. The reverse may be
> true for those who preferred Bialik, but I think knowing it’s Ken or
> nothing will help most of those adjust.
>
> ===
>
> “Mayim Bialik will not be hosting Season 2 of “Celebrity Jeopardy!
> <https://variety.com/t/celebrity-jeopardy/>” as she continues to support
> the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, *Variety *has learned from
> sources.
>
> On Monday, ABC issued a press release with changes to their fall schedule,
> noting that Ken Jennings <https://variety.com/t/ken-jennings/> will host
> the new season of “Celebrity Jeopardy!,” which premieres Sept. 27 at 8 p.m.
> ET.”
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/mayim-bialik-declines-host-celebrity-jeopardy-strikes-ken-jennings-1235701725/
>
>
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>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 1:37 PM Jeff Metzner  wrote:
>
>> Unless they come up with another primetime show -- always a possibility
>> with Michael Davies -- it seems like she's out. Nobody but Ken could handle
>> Masters, and if this season of Celebrity does well enough to get renewed it
>> seems unlikely ABC would want to change horses again.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Davies is always talking about expanding the 

Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[PGage]

I have been re-reading media reports from back in August about Celebrity
Jeopardy! My memory had been that that Ken was filling in for her while she
honored the Strikes, but it seems that was only true for the final week of
the previous season. In August they announced that Bialik would not be
hosting the new season of CJ.

So, it now seems to me that she had two separate contracts, one to be the
sole host of CJ, another to be one of two alternating hosts of regular (or,
significantly, syndicated) Jeopardy! In August they announced she was not
going to return as the host of season 2 of CJ, and yesterday they announced
that she was not going to be returning as a host of syndicated Jeopardy! I
can only assume the details of her contract allowed for the decision to be
made now.

As I feared, there has been antisemitic shit online about her. What I
should have anticipated but did not was there has been even more MAGA
posturing that she was fired because she was Jewish or pro Israel.

For the record, I believe it is clear that she was let go because she so
clearly is not nearly as good at the job as Jennings. That became more and
more clear with every show either one of them did. In the long history of
the show they have never had alternating hosts, and there is no reason why
that is needed or would be a good thing now. As much as I prefer Ken, I
think I would have rather they make Bialik the sole host than continue to
alternate, as I found it impossible to get close to habituating to her
style when I still hoped I would be seeing Ken. Every Monday show when they
introduced Bialik was a frustrating let down for me. The reverse may be
true for those who preferred Bialik, but I think knowing it’s Ken or
nothing will help most of those adjust.

===

“Mayim Bialik will not be hosting Season 2 of “Celebrity Jeopardy!
<https://variety.com/t/celebrity-jeopardy/>” as she continues to support
the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, *Variety *has learned from sources.

On Monday, ABC issued a press release with changes to their fall schedule,
noting that Ken Jennings <https://variety.com/t/ken-jennings/> will host
the new season of “Celebrity Jeopardy!,” which premieres Sept. 27 at 8 p.m.
ET.”
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/mayim-bialik-declines-host-celebrity-jeopardy-strikes-ken-jennings-1235701725/


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> Unless they come up with another primetime show -- always a possibility
> with Michael Davies -- it seems like she's out. Nobody but Ken could handle
> Masters, and if this season of Celebrity does well enough to get renewed it
> seems unlikely ABC would want to change horses again.
>
> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>
>> Michael Davies is always talking about expanding the Jeopardy franchise
>> and they might want her available for a new prime time spinoff. The
>> celebrity tournament wasn’t the only prime time show, there was also the
>> masters tournament.
>>
>> There are too many unknowns to be able to speculate about what happened
>> and why. Call Me Kat was cancelled, Mayim and her agent talked to Sony
>> about scheduling, and the result was the press releases.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:05 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that use of “syndicated” creates an ambiguity, and this was
>>> created not be media sloppiness, but by Bialik and Sony themselves, who
>>> both specifically used that modifier in their statements.
>>>
>>> Are they intentionally leaving the door open for her to return to
>>> C-Jeopardy? Maybe. Alternatively, It occurred to me that they may be still
>>> paying her the C-J Host salary for some period of time as a settlement, and
>>> to underline that they did not fire her in retaliation for honoring the
>>> picket line, and the syndicated language makes room for this.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 12:43 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I notice that all the reporting and the statements specify "syndicated
>>>> version" of Jeopardy!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not clear why there's a need to be that specific here.  It seems to
>>>> leave a door open for Bialik to host non-syndicated versions of the show,
>>>> but the tone of the statements and the coverage sound to me like this is a
>>>> complete break.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, the only current non-syndicated format of the show in the U.S.
>>>> is Celebrity Jeopardy!, where Bialik opted to step down (or step away, I
>>>> suppose) from the second season as it started while t

Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[PGage]

I agree that use of “syndicated” creates an ambiguity, and this was created
not be media sloppiness, but by Bialik and Sony themselves, who both
specifically used that modifier in their statements.

Are they intentionally leaving the door open for her to return to
C-Jeopardy? Maybe. Alternatively, It occurred to me that they may be still
paying her the C-J Host salary for some period of time as a settlement, and
to underline that they did not fire her in retaliation for honoring the
picket line, and the syndicated language makes room for this.

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I notice that all the reporting and the statements specify "syndicated
> version" of Jeopardy!
>
> I'm not clear why there's a need to be that specific here.  It seems to
> leave a door open for Bialik to host non-syndicated versions of the show,
> but the tone of the statements and the coverage sound to me like this is a
> complete break.
>
> AFAIK, the only current non-syndicated format of the show in the U.S. is
> Celebrity Jeopardy!, where Bialik opted to step down (or step away, I
> suppose) from the second season as it started while the various strikes
> were in full effect.
>
> I may have missed any official word with respect to Bialik's future with
> Celebrity Jeopardy! but I think it reasonable that her leaving, even if
> intended as temporary on her part, was made permanent by Sony, officially
> or otherwise.  (And if that show isn't picked up for a 3rd season, this is
> all moot.)
>
> I guess it could also be confusing if the statements didn't reference
> 'syndicated version' but I don't know that it would be more confusing that
> the apparent wiggle room I see here.
>
> But it's late on a Friday, and I'm probably overthinking it.
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 11:13:26 PM PST, PGage 
> wrote:
>
>
> It took several years but they finally came up with the right answer
> (question?) to the hosting problem. I would be celebrating more
> aggressively but for fear that somewhere assholes are doing the same in an
> antisemitic vein.
>
> “Sony has informed me that I will no longer be hosting the syndicated
> version of Jeopardy!” Bialik wrote. “I am incredibly honored to have been
> nominated for a primetime Emmy for hosting this year and I am deeply
> grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of the Jeopardy! family”…
>
> Sony Pictures Television in a statement noted Bialik was the one who
> announced her departure.
>
> “We made the decision to have one host for the syndicated show next season
> to maintain continuity for our viewers, and Ken Jennings will be the sole
> host for syndicated Jeopardy!” Sony said. “We are truly grateful for all of
> Mayim’s contributions to Jeopardy!, and we hope to continue to work with
> her on primetime specials.”
>
>
> https://apnews.com/article/545613a84a54c23d07da4a9f665172dd
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[TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[PGage]

It took several years but they finally came up with the right answer
(question?) to the hosting problem. I would be celebrating more
aggressively but for fear that somewhere assholes are doing the same in an
antisemitic vein.

“Sony has informed me that I will no longer be hosting the syndicated
version of Jeopardy!” Bialik wrote. “I am incredibly honored to have been
nominated for a primetime Emmy for hosting this year and I am deeply
grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of the Jeopardy! family”…

Sony Pictures Television in a statement noted Bialik was the one who
announced her departure.

“We made the decision to have one host for the syndicated show next season
to maintain continuity for our viewers, and Ken Jennings will be the sole
host for syndicated Jeopardy!” Sony said. “We are truly grateful for all of
Mayim’s contributions to Jeopardy!, and we hope to continue to work with
her on primetime specials.”


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Re: [TV orNotTV] And Then There Were Five: Matthew Perry Dead

[PGage]

There are two implicated drugs referenced in the toxicology report:
Buprenorphine which is an opioid used to help wean people off more serious
opioids of abuse, and ketamine, which is both a recreational drug of abuse
and increasingly a therapeutic drug used in the treatment of chronic
depression and trauma (the clinic where I work had a Ketamine program prior
to the pandemic). Reportedly, Perry was in a clinical ketamine trial, and
his history suggests he likely had been on something like Buprenorphine in
the past.

It is unlikely any reputable doctor prescribed both of these drugs for
Perry to self administer at home, or even one of them if they knew of the
other. The Ketamine in his system was much higher than possible from the
last treatment a week or so before his death.

All of this suggests one of two things: 1) he had fallen off the wagon and
was using the opioid and hallucinogen recreationally or 2) he had informal
access to both drugs and was trying to medicate himself, perhaps thru twin
episodes of opiate urges and depression. I suppose one could say there
isn’t much difference between one and two, but having talked to patients
motivated by one or the other I think there is a detectable difference. It
also raises the possible question that some unethical Medical professional
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> Not really surprising news, but sadly drugs were involved
>
>
> https://ktla.com/entertainment/matthew-perrys-death-caused-by-acute-effects-of-ketamine-l-a-coroner-says/
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 5:38 PM Joe Hass  wrote:
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>> 54. Drowned.
>>
>>
>> https://www.tmz.com/2023/10/28/friends-star-matthew-perry-dead-dies-drowning/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Group member Brad Beam has passed away

[PGage]

Tragic. Will definitely miss him here. I have his last post as 11/2, looks
like he died 11/9. So young.

My favorite TV quote about death from “Brian’s Song” (and EH):

“Hemingway said, ‘Every true story ends in death.’ Well, this is a true
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> He was a regular contributor to this group, and we became Facebook friends
> some time back. I was shocked to see that his brother posted of his passing
> - he was only 49 years old.
> Here are two notices from his brother:
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>
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> Hug those close to you, we never know how much time is left.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Andre Braugher, Emmy-winning actor who starred in 'Homicide' and 'Brooklyn Nine-Nine,' dies at 61

[PGage]

This one really hurt.  The integrity, honesty, humanity, talent. He lifted
us all up.

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> Sad. He was one of the best actors I’ve ever seen.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:19 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
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>> https://apnews.com/article/andre-braugher-dead-f2ee7dd990dbd40c8fd5258ac624bab7
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rebrand of Showtime now set for Jan 8th

[PGage]

I access P+ on a Fire TV, this information is helpful. I will contact them
and see if they have a fix.

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> I believe there's also a co-branded channel w/ BET.  Sodoes that
> become BET on Paramount+ with Showtime?  Try getting THAT into an EPG...
>
> I'll echo Jim - I've used the P+ app on multiple AppleTVs, iPhone and iPad
> and have never had an issue, both for prerecorded fare and live NFL.  (For
> a brief period, we were geolocating in the NY region despite being in
> Burlington County, NJ, so we were able to stream WCBS and watch the Jets
> lose in real time.)
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:38:18 PM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>
>> DirecTV still has a suite of linear Showtime multiplex channels: Shoetime
>> 2, Showtime Extreme, Showtime Family, etc. I haven’t seen any indication of
>> branding changes for those channels, if any.
>>
>> I have the full Paramount+ with Showtime package (via a Black Friday deal
>> through Verizon). The live streaming only includes the East and West feed
>> of the main Showtime channel.
>>
>> The Paramount+ app on Apple TV works fine for me. My only issue is that
>> the promos that play at the beginning of shows/movies are not skippable -
>> other streaming services don’t have those (on their ad-free tier) or allow
>> skipping them.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 4:18 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> I access Showtine via P+ streaming, so can’t answer this. But will take
>> the opportunity to say that it is now clear, without any doubt, the worst
>> streaming experience is with Paramount.  Actually like much of their
>> content, but streaming has become almost impossible. I have often
>> documented my hatred for commercials, but I have taken to watching Amazing
>> Race on YouTube TV and FF ads rather than try to suffer with the horrid
>> performance of the App. Quite a contrast to Peacock, which is far from
>> perfect, but I always watch The Voice and SNL on Peacock.
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 10:45 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An instructional 'toob is provided with this THR article, but my recent
>>> memory of SHO was as a multiplex of channels... is only the primary one
>>> impacted by this?
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/showtime-linear-channel-rebrand-paramount-plus-with-showtime-january-1235737675/
>>>  (link)
>>>
>>> B
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Colbert Down Again

[PGage]

I did not want to speculate here, but I had been extremely worried about
his well-being. His description is jokey, but it sounds to me like he
seriously did come close to dying. For a comparison,  Dallas Cowboy head
coach Mike McCarthy had surgery for appendicitis last week, and was back
coaching the team within less than 48 hours. The difference I suppose is
that McCarthy’s appendix must not have actually burst while Colbert’s did.

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> Good recap of events..
>
> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRvoxkwH/
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 1:09 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn't email Sue T this time, but she's heard from someone, 'cuz there
>> are repeats listed again this week.
>> B
>>
>> Stan S, to PGage and David Bruggeman, Dec 4th:
>>
>>
>> Who knows at this point? :)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rebrand of Showtime now set for Jan 8th

[PGage]

I access Showtine via P+ streaming, so can’t answer this. But will take the
opportunity to say that it is now clear, without any doubt, the worst
streaming experience is with Paramount.  Actually like much of their
content, but streaming has become almost impossible. I have often
documented my hatred for commercials, but I have taken to watching Amazing
Race on YouTube TV and FF ads rather than try to suffer with the horrid
performance of the App. Quite a contrast to Peacock, which is far from
perfect, but I always watch The Voice and SNL on Peacock.

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> An instructional 'toob is provided with this THR article, but my recent
> memory of SHO was as a multiplex of channels... is only the primary one
> impacted by this?
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/showtime-linear-channel-rebrand-paramount-plus-with-showtime-january-1235737675/
>  (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney Buying Out Comcast's Share in Hulu

[PGage]

Thanks for that. I also have the bundle, but I guess I don’t open email
from Disney. I will go looking for it.

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> I have the Hulu bundle and I got an email from Disney+ saying they were
> making a selection of Hulu titles available on the Disney+ app. They also
> said the whole Hulu library is available on the Hulu app.
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 12:44 AM PGage  wrote:
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>> Mark wrote, On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 2:08 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hulu-disney-comcast-deal-full-control-1235579832/
>>>
>>> It is possible that Hulu could be repositioned as a hub within Disney+,
>>> as is their Star hub overseas (and separate streamer Star+ in Latin
>>> America) and possibly renamed Star for uniformity's sake, but considering
>>> that Republicans would probably go into a tizzy of the thought of Tommy
>>> Lee's talking penis from "Pam and Tommy" on the same home screen as Mickey
>>> and Minnie, maybe not.
>>>
>>
>> PGage writes…
>> I have not seen this discussed in the list yet, or even in the media, but
>> I noticed today that there is now a Hulu tile on Disney+, as suggested by
>> Mark above. It does carry a “Beta” tag.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney Buying Out Comcast's Share in Hulu

[PGage]

Mark wrote, On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 2:08 PM:

>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hulu-disney-comcast-deal-full-control-1235579832/
>
> It is possible that Hulu could be repositioned as a hub within Disney+, as
> is their Star hub overseas (and separate streamer Star+ in Latin America)
> and possibly renamed Star for uniformity's sake, but considering that
> Republicans would probably go into a tizzy of the thought of Tommy Lee's
> talking penis from "Pam and Tommy" on the same home screen as Mickey and
> Minnie, maybe not.
>

PGage writes…
I have not seen this discussed in the list yet, or even in the media, but I
noticed today that there is now a Hulu tile on Disney+, as suggested by
Mark above. It does carry a “Beta” tag.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Mr Lear

[PGage]

Well said.

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> I have a lot of thoughts about Lear, but today is the wrong day for me to
> be focused on death. I will say that Lear did a lot of things wrong, but he
> also did a lot of things very well, and he paved the way for others to do
> even better.
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 5:54 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> 101. The hat was to keep him from touching his head during writer's
>> block. "Stifle" was a term used by his father to shut up his mother's
>> complaints.
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/norman-lear-dead-all-in-the-family-jeffersons-maude-producer-1235713439/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] D!sney testing multiple, simultaneous, Monday Night Football games

[PGage]

Why is this a good idea? Do they make more money from ads for 2 different
games on ABC and ESPN than they do from showing one game on both?

When MNF started a lot of the appeal was one game for the whole country to
watch, after the free for all of Sunday. It’s been a while since the Monday
game was the week’s highlight, but still the game football fans (and
players) watch. This just extends the Sunday simulcasts to Monday, and is
another step towards evenly having football games on every night (save
Friday and Saturday until mid December). I hate this.

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> So people don't have to click through: they've done staggered start times
> in the past, but this is apparently the first time they've had the game on
> ABC and the game on ESPN kick off at the same time (and the first time
> Peyton and Eli have watched both games on the ESPN2 broadcast).
>
> Yes, the Fox and CBS rules experts handle multiple games on Sunday
> afternoons (and all the various networks' rules experts are on multiple
> college games on Saturday).
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:55 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> One week from tonight (Dec 11th). @Buck, Aikman and Salters will be at
> Packers-Giants on ABC, while ESPN puts Fowler, Riddick, Orlovsky and
> Rutledge on Titans-Dolphins... rules expert John Parry will have to serve
> both games (something other nets may or may not have done Sundays?), and
> even more staggeringly, Peyton and Eli will as well...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/disney-tests-monday-night-football-simulcast-espn-abc-1235820816/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Colbert Down Again

[PGage]

Meanwhile he posted this earlier today, which is ambiguous.

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> FWIW, my DVR has new episodes scheduled for Monday through Thursday.
>
> David
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 04:51:25 PM PST, Stan S 
> wrote:
>
>
> ABC Audio (whatever that is) is reporting that Colbert will be resuming
> Monday 12/4.  At the same time I received an email from 1iota that the
> Tuesday 12/5 taping is cancelled.
>
> I guess we shall see.
>
> -Stan
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:20:51 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> I told Sue T, and she's got the repeat schedule. Like I told her, Batiste
> must be heartbroken... B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] J! contestants fail to recognize Led Zeppelin... X reacts

[PGage]

I only maybe could identify a photo of Garth Brooks if you cued me that he
was a country and western singer, and he was wearing his hat.

 I was a consumer and purchaser of popular music in the 1970s, including
concert tickets.  I would be able to identify Curtis Mayfield, Al Green or
Gladys Knight, or Linda Ronstadt or Joni Mitchell or David Crosby in a
millisecond.

I was not able to identify Led Zeppelin when I watched the J episode in
question (Ken predicted on the spot that rock fans would be outraged), Nor
would I have been able to identify them in middle school or high school.
Nor do I feel sheepish or apologetic about that failure.  As discussed on
the Jann Wenner thread, you don’t have be a millennial to be irritated with
the tendency of a certain slice of the boomer generation’s assumption that
only their pop cultural experiences should be considered normative.

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> Going back to the original post:
>
> 1. Clickbait is driven by anger, outrage, and ginned up controversy. Any
> lazy journalist can produce a quick article by picking something that
> happened in pop culture, scrape social media for outraged reactions, and
> then collect and publish them. I expect to see many more of these articles
> in the future.
>
> 2. For those of us whose minds are trivia troves, there comes a time when
> things we took as universal become niche. To younger people Led Zeppelin
> music comes from classic rock radio or specialized playlists. It’s entirely
> possible to attain adulthood and never have heard of them or their albums.
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 10:10 AM Ben Scripps  wrote:
>
>> The second to last clue in my first game was a map which popped up on the
>> screen; I buzzed, but had difficulty making out the details enough to
>> respond correctly.  (Also, my brain didn't work correctly, but it's much
>> easier to blame technology.)
>>
>> The only other problem I had with the monitor was when a picture clue
>> came up and Alex read the clue, but nothing ever showed up on the screen.
>> They had to stop tape and reload a new clue for us.
>>
>> BTW, when they have video clues of celebrities reading the clue, the
>> appropriate box on the game board displays about the last half or so of the
>> text of the clue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2023, at 1:24 AM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
>>
>> The failure to identify Garth Brooks is also mentioned in the article
>> that Bob linked.
>>
>> I've heard some "Jeopardy!" contestants say (or complain) that they can't
>> see the video clues as well as the home viewers, since they're looking
>> across the stage at monitors on either side of the game board.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>> I watch Jeopardy! clips on TikTok and no contestant could identify Garth
>> Brooks in a $200 clue.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 7:01 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure that the complete societal failure referenced in the URL is the
>>> Triple Stumper (or whatever the unofficial name for that is called) on the
>>> Zep, given the continued existence of 'X'
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 06:51:58 PM PST, 'Bob Jersey' via
>>> TVorNotTV  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.fox5ny.com/news/jeopardy-fans-dumbfounded-when-contestants-cant-recognize-legendary-rockers-a-complete-societal-failure
>>>  (link)
>>> B
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[TV orNotTV] RIP Mrs. Clavin

[PGage]

Frances Sternhagen, 93, died Monday, 11/27 ( apologies if posted here
already and I missed it).

One of those people everyone seems to have only good things to say about
(unlike a certain formal Secretary of State and unindicted war criminal who
also dies this week).

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/entertainment/frances-sternhagen-death/index.html


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[TV orNotTV] Colbert Down Again

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Macy's Parade Sets Ratings Record for NBC

[PGage]

As you say, this is stunning. I watched it a couple of times as a kid,
never much liked it (in Southern Cal our favored parade was the “Santa
Clause Lane Parade.” Have not even. I side red watching it over last 50
years, though we do watch the National Dog Show.

This bump requires some explanation. Could it be the protest?

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> The NBC Thanksgiving day tradition pulled 28.5M viewers this year, the
> highest number in the parade's 70 years on the net and what will be the
> highest-rated non-sports program of the year, we assume not counting either
> Peacock or the afternoon repeat:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/macys-thanksgiving-day-parade-record-ratings-1235677181/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
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> Remember, this is in an era of linear TV where David Muir's news on ABC
> and "Jeopardy!" in syndication pull more viewers than prime time
> non-football.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bob Dylan supports Jann Wenner

[PGage]

This is a little like a headline that says:

 “Powerful white man cancelled for saying only blonde white women can be
beautiful is defended by 80 yo blonde white woman.”

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> The eightysomething star, at a Beacon Theater (NY) concert Thursday (Nov
> 16th), spotted the *Rolling Stone *founder in the audience, and called
> for his reinstatement to the RRHOF Foundation board (he was dropped after
> the comments he made to David Marchese of the NY Times back in September
>  [our
> thread])...
>
> https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/bob-dylan-support-jann-wenner-reinstatement-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-foundation-1235486018/#recipient_hashed=fa7e92da6f6e66bffcf0bcbf863670c6eb37d7159eb4d0ea1e44fecd5ec87eeb_salt=3a1d6b09af3b92ad7e38f8327cf18febeb049fd1c9a251b66957a07d9375735c
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[TV orNotTV] NYT Magazine Zaz Profile

[PGage]

I did not have time to read the epic profile of WBD’s David Zaslov
published in the NYT Magazine this week until this morning. Thought I would
post a link here to the list for the record.


Unlike the similarly epic profile on Chris Licht in June, there is not a
lot of new information; this is more of a recap of the Zaz WBD era - kind
of like a long “Previously” reel for a miniseries you may have heard a lot
about. Zaz may have thought this was going to be a PR boost, but it reads
mostly like a reminder of all the specific reasons why he is “perhaps the
most hated man in Hollywood” (as he was called in an earlier profile, and
cited again here).


It also makes clear that, even though he may be hated by the people who
actually create the product that he says he loves for his company, he is
also hated by the people who bought shares in his new company, as they have
lost about half their original value. He has cut even more then the THREE
BILLION dollars he promised two years ago, but he had to borrow so much to
pull off the merger that he still owes around $44 Billion, and Wall Street
apparently still doubts that the film, cable or streaming business is
strong enough to avoid drowning in all that red ink. I think the most
important quote in the piece is from Zaz friend Barry Diller - “Cut costs
and pay down debt….that’s  his job. It’s not complicated.”


The future of WBD is still unclear. Puck News has discussed rumors that
they may be in the market to buy Paramount, but also the (to me more
likely) option that they will be sold off to someone like Comcast. For that
to work Zaz does not need to make WBD profitable, or pay down all the debt,
just get it down enough that it does not give Comcast indigestion. It also
means that selling off parts of WBD that would not combine nicely with
Comcast would make sense - so look for someone to gobble up CNN (unless it
could just be merged with MSNBC?)


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Re: [TV orNotTV] A former sideline reporter stunningly admitted that she made things up - Poynter

[PGage]

Yeah,  no. I’m not with Jimmy or you Bob on this. I’m not going to defend
every horrible thing some Twitter monster may have said about her, but this
does require some sort of strong response.

If instead of the double talk clarification she did give, she comes out and
says that during one season when she was just starting doing low profile
games with an asshole head coach she felt pressured to make up quotes to
keep her bosses happy, but has never since, and never would think of doing
it again, then maybe some sort of stern rebuke serving as a warning from
Fox/Amazon would suffice. But her original tone was breezy and dismissive,
as if it were no big deal. It is a big deal - or, it it is not a big deal
then everyone just admit that it’s all bullshit and TV sports broadcasters
just make shit up to cover for how stupid or toxic coaches, players, and
owners are.

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> I'm with, f'rinstance, Jimmy Traina of Sports Illustrated, who while not
> excusing her statement, noted that the out-of-control reaction is more
> important than the fact to the reactors... and her defending the profession 
> *on
> the same podcast* gets no attention whatsoever...
>
> https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/17/charissa-thompson-sideline-reports-twitter-reaction
> (link)
> Just 'cuz you have a social-media credential, doesn't give you credence to
> punish someone for something they haven't done in years, and aren't going
> to go back to doing.
> B
>
> Steve Timko, Nov 17th:
>
> --
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> Charissa Thompson said on a podcast this week that when she was a TV
> sideline reporter on football games, she sometimes fabricated reports.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Politics May Keep 'Good Doctor' Off in Mich.

[PGage]

My memory is that Jay Leno never ever pretended to hide his pro Arnold bias
during that period.

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> I recall working on the Tonight Show when Gary Coleman, Arnold, a porn
> star, and dozens of others were running for governor of California. Between
> standards and practices and state election officials, it was a nightmare
> for the show producers to try to avoid the obvious bias towards the
> Terminator.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 4:37 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Gopher got let out of his Love Boat contract, but did they ban reruns?
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 11:35 AM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me that there were actors in the past running for office who
>>> had to have their shows taken off where they were running.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-6 M-D November wrote:
>>>
>>>> Outside of Dumpsterfire Jessica Trump, what other first-run examples
>>>> are there?
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:34:50 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cast member Hill Harper is running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan as
>>>>> a Democrat replacing the retiring Debbie Stabenow and Sony Pictures
>>>>> Television, the ABC medical drama's producer, is requesting the Federal
>>>>> Election Commission to rule on whether airing a program featuring
>>>>> appearances by an actor in a role running for political office in real
>>>>> life, whether on ABC, Hulu or syndication, is legal in the state of
>>>>> Michigan:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/2023-10/202310R_1.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems  to me from past experience that the answer would be "no."
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Re: [TV orNotTV] A former sideline reporter stunningly admitted that she made things up - Poynter

[PGage]

The story says she tried clarifying her recent comment, but this only
leaves us with the prosecutor’s question: “We’re you lying then or are you
lying now?”

Well, it also leaves me with this question: she originally confessed to
this fabrication to Erin Andrews, who said she used to do the same thing.
But I have not been reading a lot of criticism of Andrews, why is that?

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> In a jaw-dropping admission, Amazon Prime Video and Fox Sports anchor
> Charissa Thompson said on a podcast this week that when she was a TV
> sideline reporter on football games, she sometimes fabricated reports.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Politics May Keep 'Good Doctor' Off in Mich.

[PGage]

Gopher got let out of his Love Boat contract, but did they ban reruns?

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> Seems to me that there were actors in the past running for office who had
> to have their shows taken off where they were running.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-6 M-D November wrote:
>
>> Outside of Dumpsterfire Jessica Trump, what other first-run examples are
>> there?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:34:50 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> Cast member Hill Harper is running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan as a
>>> Democrat replacing the retiring Debbie Stabenow and Sony Pictures
>>> Television, the ABC medical drama's producer, is requesting the Federal
>>> Election Commission to rule on whether airing a program featuring
>>> appearances by an actor in a role running for political office in real
>>> life, whether on ABC, Hulu or syndication, is legal in the state of
>>> Michigan:
>>>
>>> https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/2023-10/202310R_1.pdf
>>>
>>> Seems  to me from past experience that the answer would be "no."
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: SNL’s Baldwin Choice

[PGage]

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 1:32 AM 'Dave Sikula' wrote…

“I, too, am at the age where any number of the references might as well be
in Icelandic for all the sense they make to me. I mean, I had no idea if
the guy in the waking dream was an actual person or not (apparently, he
is).”

PGage writes…
I am honestly shocked to learn that the dream guy is real. I don’t know
that I cared enough to Google it, but it never occurred to me to check. I
mean, I didn’t check if Toonces was real.


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[TV orNotTV] SNL’s Baldwin Choice

[PGage]

I noticed this morning that there had been a new SNL last weekend, which I
hadn’t seen, so decided to watch it. Nothing really remarkable, except
further confirmation of my age. It’s not just that I don’t get most of the
cultural references, but I don’t even get the comedy vocabulary and grammar
and logic. The audience is laughing, but I can’t even decode what part of
what we just saw it was supposed to be the joke. I don’t mean this as a
criticism of the show perhaps it really was quite funny. I’m just so old
that I’m actually an alien in the world that SNL targets. Of course Lorne
Michaels is significantly older than me, so I guess kudos to him for being
able to keep working in that universe.

What was remarkable was at the very end of a, from what I could tell,
pedestrian and indecipherable Sketch, Alec Baldwin appears for an extremely
brief cameo.

I have not been militant in my pre-judgment of Baldwin’s criminal
liability; perhaps he is guilty of manslaughter of some kind, though my
inclination is to suspect the prosecutors office of being out to nail a
celebrity hide to their wall. However, at best he was involved in some
major bad judgment, both as producer and actor that resulted in the death
of one and serious injury to another. Short of conviction of a serious
crime I don’t know that he needs to be permanently banned from television,
but, really? To force him into a minor and totally irrelevant sketch while
he’s waiting to hear if he is going to be tried for manslaughter just seems
like bad taste. I can see that his friends at SNL  Ishtar want to show
their support for him, but maybe a Twitter post would’ve sufficed.

It did seem like at least one of the members of the singing group that
night gave him the cold shoulder when he tried to come over and gladhand
her after the good nights, not sure if any of the regular cast had
reservations.

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