[twitter-dev] Tweet button count still not updating.

2011-03-12 Thread Cube Web Solutions
they are not doing it manually for each and every page. Here is an example: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/japan-vents-radioactive-steam-from-plants-20110312-1brv1.html Clearly, I'm doing something wrong. Look forward to any advice. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http

[twitter-dev] where to download the latest Twitter4J build

2011-03-12 Thread Yusuke Yamamoto
Hi, http://twitter4j.org/ is shutdown, and meanwhile you can download the latest Twitter4J build from the github. https://github.com/yusuke/twitter4j/downloads The latest stable build is available at the maven central repository. http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/twitter4j/twitter4j-core/2.2.0/

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Dewald Pretorius
The most telling change in the Terms of Service occurred in sentence #2 or paragraph #1 under section Rules of the Road. It used to read: We want to empower our ecosystem partners to build valuable BUSINESSES around the information flowing through Twitter. It now (since March 11, 2011) reads: We

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Dustin Lennon
The best I can locate for the Who to follow functionality from the Twitter API is under the User Resources and touching on GET users/suggestions and GET users/suggestions/:slug now how to come close to what Twitter places on their Who to follow page is beyond me. -Dustin This message contains

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: web app with mobile clients

2011-03-12 Thread Evadne Wu
Do you mean: “I am making a mobile Twitter app that wraps around a locally-ran Web app. Is this possible?” — If that is the case I think it’s difficult at best. -ev On Mar 12, 2011, at 14:15, Bess wrote: Can't help much b/c I don't understand what you are trying to do. On Mar 11, 4:57

[twitter-dev] Re: Do new ToS conditions apply to my app?

2011-03-12 Thread Ellsass
Another use case: what about semi-private, hobby clients that do not generate revenue? If my app is forbidden because it's a client, I'd like to maintain it for personal use (i.e., just a few user accounts). -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API

[twitter-dev] Hebrew encoding problems

2011-03-12 Thread Dikla Pahima
Hi all, I'm using the python-twitter API in order to get Tweets in hebrow. The API is working, I managed to get the Tweets, but instead of Hebrew I get Gibberish. I changed the encoding to 'windows-1255' in twitter.py, but it still doesn't work. what else can I do Thanks! -- Twitter developer

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Do new ToS conditions apply to my app?

2011-03-12 Thread Dustin Shea
Yeah, I wrote one in TCL that is non revenue generated as a personal hobby. I sure hope it don't get banned. I worked hard on it. On 3/12/2011 9:37 AM, Ellsass wrote: Another use case: what about semi-private, hobby clients that do not generate revenue? If my app is forbidden because it's a

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Duane Roelands
Wow. Thanks for getting so many people interested in Twitter. Now get lost. This is appalling. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker:

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
Interesting that neither Ryan or anyone else from Twitter has replied once to any of the questions here, (way to go on showing your interest in the developer community, Ryan), so I'll address this question to everyone else in the group. I don't read Ryan's message as demanding that apps are no

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Scott Wilcox
Hello, For a few days now I've read what people have said in reply to the update from Ryan. There are some crazy reactions and responses to what Ryan has said. In essence, the entire reaction is my opinion is completely overblown. Not in any sense what-so-ever have Twitter said that you can no

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Shannon Whitley
I was hoping that Ryan was just a few weeks early for his April Fools' post. Don't build clients? It sounds like a bad joke. I wrote a letter to Ryan on my blog in response to this post: http://www.voiceoftech.com/swhitley/index.php/2011/03/a-letter-to-ryan-sarver/ I know you guys can't be

[twitter-dev] Re: Do new ToS conditions apply to my app?

2011-03-12 Thread kosso
Out of interest, what did you get rejected by Apple for? Was it anything to do with Twitter? Or was it all objectiveC stuff? I too have a Twitter client waiting in the wings for submission. Not long to go now. I'm just going to launch it and see what happens. if Twitter 'rejects'/disables it

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Scott Wilcox
Perhaps Ryan was urging folks to spend their time and money on creating innovative products and not on a new client that would probably not get a large user base due to the official clients marketshare? On 13 Mar 2011, at 00:29, Shannon Whitley wrote: I was hoping that Ryan was just a few

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Do new ToS conditions apply to my app?

2011-03-12 Thread Scott Wilcox
For those following this thread, I've just posted on a similar one. I don't think any fear of having your application shut down will come to fruition. I feel that I could safely say that only applications that generate spam like noise will be removed. I really don't see non-spam like

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
I agree, Scott. Ryan didn't say you can't post tweets, but everyone heard that. Every tech blog repeated it. Ryan should take a minute and explain that it isn't true. That much would help a lot. He led by saying don't build a client. That is where people stopped reading. I don't think he meant to

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Ryan Sarver
Mike, a client is one that recreates the twitter experience, or in your words the primary experience. So I don't consider Instagram or Foursquare in that group. It's apps that render a user their timeline. Apps that post into Twitter are great and explicitly called out at the bottom of the email.

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Ellsass
*a new client that would probably not get a large user base due to the official clients marketshare* That would sort itself out without the need for Twitter to change their TOS -- the app would simply remain unpopular and eventually whither away. The fact that Twitter is moving toward

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Ryan Sarver
David, we are specifically talking about consumer clients. HootSuite and Seesmic are focused on a more enterprise or marketer audience as I called out at the bottom of the email. Best, Ryan -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver http://twitter.com/rsarver On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:32 AM, David W

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
Thanks, Ryan. That helps a lot, and we should all repeat that to anyone who asks or says otherwise. So we have one answer. Tweeting in apps is still good. Now, can you explain what you mean by It's apps that render a user their timeline. Please answer this. Is displaying a list of tweets

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Ryan Sarver
Adam, that is a totally incorrect characterization of the companies I listed in the email. A ton of those companies -- CoTweet, Klout, HootSuite, Socialflow -- sprung out of the ecosystem and were started on nights and weekends with no funding. Of course they have gotten some funding now as

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Ellsass
Scott, I don't think it's ludicrous to think that Twitter may eventually pull the plug on, say, statuses/home_timeline, effectively eliminating clients. If Twitter's concern is ad revenue, all they'd need to do is add a clause to their TOS specifying that all third-party clients must show in-line

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Scott Wilcox
Highly doubtful that they would do that and they certainly haven't now. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2011, at 01:00, Ellsass cpa...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I don't think it's ludicrous to think that Twitter may eventually pull the plug on, say, statuses/home_timeline, effectively

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
They should insert ads into the stream, and say we can't remove them. That would be great. I have no problem with that, providing they treat us with respect. Give us an appeal process with warning if they don't like what we build. I have no problem with them wanting to make money from things I

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Craig
Ryan, you said in another post in this thread that statuses/user_timeline is still allowed. I'm curious how that jives with your second sentence here, It's apps that render a user their timeline. What will happen if an app falls into a gray area of being a client or consumer client? Will we

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Search bug: confusing Swedish place Åre with English verb are

2011-03-12 Thread Jeffrey Greenberg
Any response on this from twitter? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Jeffrey Greenberg jeffreygreenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We have a customer who is trying to find tweets with the Swedish word Åre, which is a place, and is getting tweets with the English word are in it.

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: users/lookup returns duplicates, missing records for valid users

2011-03-12 Thread Raffi Krikorian
hi all. we're actively investigating this issue. On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:13 PM, gcoats84 gary.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am also running into these issues with users/lookup.json. The ids I have issues with are totally random. Sometimes the duplicates are back to back, other times they are

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Raffi Krikorian
in reading your blog post, i think you're misunderstanding what @*rsarver*wrote. the API is open -- i personally love seeing all the innovation around getting content into twitter (/1/status/update). there is a cafe in france who's oven tweets whenever its done baking. that uses the platform to

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
Raffi, do you really think a statement that insisted that all developers make sure that every single app presents tweets in exactly the same way, and that reminded those developers that Twitter shuts down hundreds of apps a day that fail to conform to the required presentation style, and that

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Shannon Whitley
Thanks, Raffi, but obviously I'm not the only one reaching these conclusions. If our interpretation is incorrect, then the policy isn't clear. Television shows, newspaper articles, and band pages are perfect examples of places where a Twitter client might be useful. I could build a

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Raffi Krikorian
is the twitter client what's the most useful thing there? i would think the algorithms and system to match tweets to that content is the most fruitful place for entrepreneurship? On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Shannon Whitley shannon.whit...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks, Raffi, but obviously I'm

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Adam Green
Can we get a definition of client? This seems to be where we are talking across each other. 1. Twitter HQ sees a client as an app that displays *only* a user's home time line and allows the user to tweet, retweet, follow, etc. 2. Developers see a client as an app that displays tweets from any

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Orian Marx (@orian)
What I am hearing by reading through this thread and the various responses by @rsarver and @raffi is that Twitter is helping developers of Twitter clients realize that their efforts will not be economically fruitful. This is because Twitter HQ can't see how someone can build a Twitter client that

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Umashankar Das
How does one create innovative solutions, if Twitter enforces on us the stipulation, that, the view should be user oriented? It sounds like we're being told, you cannot reference tweets with content which is similar to a certain topic. Imagine the earthquake in Japan, Now, it sounds like I cannot

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Raffi Krikorian
why would you need a brand new verb? what's wrong with reply? On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Umashankar Das umashankar...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Ryan, A very direct question. Is it being said that I cannot associate a brand new field like 'Discuss' with a tweet in my website? Regards

Re: [twitter-dev] consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Umashankar Das
It has got to do with the nature of the way content is used. We will also have 'reply' to respond to the user. But, 'Discuss' is there to allow discussion on a certain topic. Imagine the context of the earthquake in Japan. Some user wants to know about facilities being provided by relief agencies

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Raffi Krikorian
hey adam. i can't speak officially and definitively, however, we don't think there are as many business opportunities in making a piece of software that *simply* renders any of our timeline methods (/1/statuses/home_timeline,/1/statuses/mentions, lists, etc.). that's your #1. you're right, we

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Umashankar Das
Hi Raffi, * **[you're right, we do think there is a lot to be done with tweet summarization, curation, selection, matching, etc. focus your efforts on that and just follow our lead with tweet rendering and interaction.]* This statement really helps me, personally. We're not doing tweet

[twitter-dev] Re: consistency and ecosystem opportunities

2011-03-12 Thread Rich
Hi Raffi So if I'm reading what you wrote correctly, simple clients that just display a timeline, post etc are thinking too small and there is no business there, something I can agree with. However many of us have, what I'd call a value added client. Sure we have the basics of a client, but we