[twitter-dev] OAuth whitelisting?

2009-04-23 Thread Bill Kocik
I was just looking at the form use to apply for whitelisting, which says you must fill it out while logged in as the account you want the rate limit raised for. In my case, my app will be used by arbitrary Twitter account holders, who will not be using my credentials, so whitelisting my Twitter

[twitter-dev] Re: OAuth whitelisting?

2009-04-24 Thread Bill Kocik
Thanks, Doug. This was what I was originally thinking, but somehow I convinced myself I was wrong. Hypothetical: It kinda sounds like if I have a large number of simultaneous users, I'm better off not being whitelisted. Say I have 1000 simultaneous users (humor me). If I'm not whitelisted, I

[twitter-dev] Re: Question on Whitelisting

2009-04-25 Thread Bill Kocik
On Apr 25, 10:44 am, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: Like I asked above, will twitter look at the ip address of the request when it comes in or the authenticated user? Unauthenticated: IP Authenticated: user You sure about that? I got quite a different answer on that subject

[twitter-dev] Totally baffling issue with Opera and OAuth

2009-04-26 Thread Bill Kocik
I'm stumped. My app is up and running locally, and I have an /etc/ hosts entry pointing local.mydomain.com to 127.0.0.1. My configuration at Twitter has my callback at http://local.mydomain.com/auth/complete. My starting point is http://local.mydomain.com/auth/start. When I run through the

[twitter-dev] Re: Question on Whitelisting

2009-04-26 Thread Bill Kocik
On Apr 25, 9:08 pm, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: This has changed and I stand corrected; it is documented also on        http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Rate-limiting Thanks for the documentation pointer, I hadn't realized that was there. It's surprising, it turns out that if

[twitter-dev] Re: Totally baffling issue with Opera and OAuth

2009-04-26 Thread Bill Kocik
On Apr 26, 8:34 am, Chad Etzel jazzyc...@gmail.com wrote: Does Opera use its own DNS servers and/or skip local hostfile lookups?  I know Chrome does some DNS trickery like this, but I'm not sure about Opera. Opera has no trouble finding the starting point (local.mydomain.com/ auth/start)

[twitter-dev] Re: Totally baffling issue with Opera and OAuth

2009-04-26 Thread Bill Kocik
The official word from Opera is that it's an Opera thing: A host having an IP address that is either in the intranet range, or in the public network range (that is, not localhost) cannot access or automatically initiate resources on localhost, this includes redirects. The action have to be

[twitter-dev] Invalid JSON

2009-05-13 Thread Bill Kocik
Consider this status: http://twitter.com/primerano/status/1784283306 The JSON for this, as found at http://twitter.com/statuses/show/1784283306.json, is below (prettified by JSONLint - which, by the way, calls it valid). Both Crack and ActiveSupport::JSON refuse to parse it, returning the error

[twitter-dev] Re: Invalid JSON

2009-05-13 Thread Bill Kocik
Yeah, JSONLint calls it valid, and every JS person I've talked to says it should be valid - so it seems there's a bug in ActiveSupport. In any case, this isn't Twitter's problem. Thanks... On May 13, 1:42 pm, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: I'm waiting on a JS expert I know to

[twitter-dev] Caching strategies

2009-06-24 Thread Bill Kocik
My app will have multiple users logged in accessing their Twitter accounts simultaneously. I'm using Hayes Davis' Grackle gem (http:// github.com/hayesdavis/grackle/tree/master) because I like that it's very thin wrapper atop the API - really more a set of convenience methods. I typically call

[twitter-dev] Re: Releasing a dormat screenname

2009-06-25 Thread Bill Kocik
It turns out they respond very quickly. Unforunately its with an email that includes: Twitter is not currently releasing inactive user names. Unless your user name issue involves Terms of Service violations, you'll have to wait until all inactive user names are released. We're working on a

[twitter-dev] Re: API Limits

2009-07-15 Thread Bill Kocik
On Jul 15, 11:22 am, iUpdateStatus iupdatesta...@gmail.com wrote: As a general question related to this topic: For all the developers who are working on a solution that involves authenticated users, would it be more convenient to get removed from the whitelist (or never apply for it) and

[twitter-dev] Re: Searching for tweets that refer to an URL still impossible with bit.ly (and others)

2009-07-15 Thread Bill Kocik
On Jul 15, 11:21 am, Bjoern bjoer...@googlemail.com wrote: Argh, except that Twitter rate limits will bite me :-( What I have implemented is a search web site that shows associated tweets to the URLs, so potentially it would generate a lot of requests (one page of search results is 10 URLs

[twitter-dev] Re: OAuth related bug with signature Woah there!

2009-07-15 Thread Bill Kocik
I've seen this same (I believe) bug manifested in different ways, and it's come up on this list before. Twitter are apparently storing some sort of return_to URL or similar in your session, and sending you to it at inopportune times. A great way to see it in action is to click on the Block this

[twitter-dev] Re: Keep getting suspended

2009-07-21 Thread Bill Kocik
On Jul 21, 3:48 am, sjespers se...@webkitchen.be wrote: Because there is no AS2 Twitter API, I'm using a server side API proxy. So, the Flash Lite app connects to mtwit.net mtwit.net connects to Twitter.com mtwit returns XML data to my app. Is there some reason the app cannot connect

[twitter-dev] Re: API limit confusion

2009-07-24 Thread Bill Kocik
If this is correct (and I don't think it is), then it's very different from what has always been my understanding. I've stated a few times on this list my belief that if you're going to be supporting a significant number of simultaneous users, whitelisting works against you. No one has ever

[twitter-dev] Re: API limit confusion

2009-07-24 Thread Bill Kocik
On Jul 24, 4:13 am, Hwee-Boon Yar hweeb...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't this what I said? I don't think it is. I think your take is correct. What's telling is this bit of text from up the chain: It appears to me that each user of a white-listed site gets 20k requests per hour. I don't believe it's

[twitter-dev] Re: API limit confusion

2009-07-27 Thread Bill Kocik
On Jul 25, 4:47 am, srikanth reddy srikanth.yara...@gmail.com wrote: @Bill Kocik 3. Repeat step 1. Do both users now see 19,999? Or does one see 19,999 and one see 20,000?  jim renkel and sjepers have already tested this.I also verified with two different accounts. onhttp

[twitter-dev] Pending follow requests for protected users

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Kocik
If a user is protected, any attempt to follow them creates a request they must approve. Is there any API for retrieving these pending requests, and approving or denying them? I don't see anything in the docs, so I'm guessing not, but thought it couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks...

[twitter-dev] Re: Pending follow requests for protected users

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Kocik
Ahh - next time I'll be sure to look at the roadmap first. Thanks, Abraham. On Jul 30, 3:49 pm, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: Planned:http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/detail?id=8 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 13:39, Bill Kocik bko...@gmail.com wrote: If a user

[twitter-dev] Re: Weird oAuth behavior

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
Are you passing a callback_url parameter when you retrieve the request token? On Aug 8, 8:56 pm, Andy andyarn...@gmail.com wrote: My web app now thinks it's a desktop app and gives me a numeric code. I've tried switching the setting from one to the other, and then back again to see if that

[twitter-dev] Re: The silence is deafening....

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 8, 6:33 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: However, I would hope that Twitter engineers are all in force at the office on a day like this to solve this issue and get our applications back up and running, regardless of whether it is Saturday, Sunday, or Christmas Day. I

[twitter-dev] Re: The silence is deafening....

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 2:28 am, chinaski007 chinaski...@gmail.com wrote: You're wrong. If you check the tweets of the other main Twitter developers, you will see that they are doing sushi, rock concerts, weddings, watching movies on Saturday afternoon, etc.  And while getting married is certainly a

[twitter-dev] Re: The silence is deafening....

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 2:51 am, chinaski007 chinaski...@gmail.com wrote: And, by the way, if you're a deckhand on a submarine going down, you think you would go to a movie because it's your time off, or do whatever you can to help out? Submarines are supposed to go down. And I don't think you can really

[twitter-dev] Re: The silence is deafening....

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 3:03 am, chinaski007 chinaski...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, for sure.  And maybe the rash of new 200 errors I remember seeing 200 errors somewhere, but I didn't read the details. 200 means status okay, what's the indication of error? But WHO in API is day on to communicate with us?

[twitter-dev] Re: The silence is deafening....

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 3:19 am, chinaski007 chinaski...@gmail.com wrote: My point was that my browsing of the tweetstreams of the Twitter engineers I am familiar with, ops and otherwise, reveals another normal weekend, with all the loveliness that the Bay Area has to offer... and while there may be a

[twitter-dev] Re: Something we CAN do

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 1:07 pm, Jesse Stay jesses...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really surprised at all the people having issues with 30* redirects when it's an HTTP standard in the first place. Don't be so quick to judge - Twitter's been sending 302's with a Location header that specifies a relative URL,

[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Update, 8/9 noon PST

2009-08-09 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 9, 3:13 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Please test your apps from their standard configs to see what results you get and let us know. I am primarily interested in unexpected throttling and issues with OAuth. OAuth appears to be working for my app. Thanks!

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

2009-08-12 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 12, 12:27 am, Jeremy Darling jeremy.darl...@gmail.com wrote: Seems lil twitter grew up and found lawyers.  While I don't agree or like the product that Dean sells, I dis-agree more with the misuse of legal representation by a corporation even more.  I remember when MS started this

[twitter-dev] Re: Rate Limiting Question

2009-08-12 Thread Bill Kocik
Hi Chad - Now that the DDoS attacks are (sort of) behind us, can we seek some closure on this? I'm dying to know the official, undisputed, written- in-stone, we-can-finally-stop-arguing-about-it answer to the following (which I think simplifies the question): If my IP is whitelisted and I have

[twitter-dev] Re: Rate Limiting Question

2009-08-13 Thread Bill Kocik
Holy Thanks, Chad. :) On Aug 13, 4:58 pm, Chad Etzel c...@twitter.com wrote: Hi There, What you all have been confirming is correct. The intended behavior is 20k per IP unauthenticated, and 20k per IP *per user* authenticated. This is not a bug. -Chad On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:43

[twitter-dev] Re: When is whitelisting necessary?

2009-08-16 Thread Bill Kocik
I think the number of So how does whitelisting really work? threads that have taken place, and continue to take place on this list indicate a lack of clarity in documentation. Perhaps someone from Twitter can take the task of updating the rate limiting docs to more explicitly spell out how it

Re: Absurd Misunderstanding of Open Anything (Was: [twitter-dev] Re: Open Auth)

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 17, 4:55 pm, Chris Babcock cbabc...@kolonelpanic.org wrote: Silly me. I thought someone was talking about distributing source code. Building an enduser distribution is somewhat to entirely different. That's what I was getting at when I said a desktop or mobile device application -

[twitter-dev] Re: storing access tokens

2009-08-18 Thread Bill Kocik
Storing access tokens - safely - is a generally accepted practice. On Aug 18, 8:32 am, AArruda arrud...@gmail.com wrote: I'm developing a mobile app for Twitter and i am thinking about storing the access tokens internally so the user won't have to go through the whole web authentication

[twitter-dev] Re: legal issues - is tweet an official verb in the US language?

2009-08-18 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 17, 8:06 am, Nicole Simon nee...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is to tweet an official word in the english language both american and english? as in widely used? does the US and UK trademark system reject such applications? Microsoft has a registered trademark on Windows. Apple

[twitter-dev] Re: legal issues - is tweet an official verb in the US language?

2009-08-19 Thread Bill Kocik
On Aug 19, 8:59 am, David Fisher tib...@gmail.com wrote: Unless someone here is a lawyer, we should probably avoid legal debate- consult with each our own counsels, and move on to doing what we do best (coding). I find these debates are often filled with FUD, misinformation, speculation, a

[twitter-dev] Re: HUGE PROBLEM with Direct Messages!

2009-09-06 Thread Bill Kocik
Also, go here: http://twitter.com/account/connections and see if there are any applications that you've authenticated to via OAuth that might be doing it. (That's the other way this can happen.) On Sep 5, 3:14 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Change your Twitter password

[twitter-dev] Re: OAuth client set to Read Write, but write access is denied

2009-09-29 Thread Bill Kocik
Access tokens that were obtained while the app was configured as read- only will remain read-only. They don't get converted to read/write when the app does. To obtain read/write tokens you'll have to revoke access to the app, then re-authenticate to it to get a read/write access token, as

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft of List API documentation

2009-10-16 Thread Bill Kocik
Hi Marcel - First, thanks for the preview, this is very helpful. Second, a question: When retrieving an existing timeline such as / statuses/friends_timeline, or a list of friends from /statuses/ friends, will there be any indication in the output as to which list (s) the authenticated user is