RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
REALLY busy this week, maybe the weekend. - Original Message - From: "Dawn M. Wolthuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:05:40 -0600 To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential > Great post, Ray -- a few excerpts with questions below. --dawn > > Dawn M. Wolthuis > Tincat Group, Inc. > www.tincat-group.com > > Take and give some delight today. ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
> Ultimately, however, it is not engineers who decide product >directions. Recall the Golgafrinchan "B" Ark. > > >(dawn) Nope, that doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like >another story, so do tell ... That was a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Good summary of the Golgafrincham story is here: http://www.sadgeezer.com/hhg/golgaf.htm In other words, Management makes the ultimate decisions... A bit more context can be found here for those who wish to be entertained. http://www.sadgeezer.com/hhg/episode6.htm Tony ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Excellent post Ray... A couple of notes/corrections: a) The DW pieces you mention (Quality Manager, PRISM) were NOT acquired via the UniData acquisition. Rather, Ardent acquired Prism shortly after VMark acquired UniData and became Ardent. UniData basically came with the UniData product and the O2 database, which UniData had recently purchased. It was one of the leaders in the world of Object-Oriented Databases. It's main point of interest is that it's one of the few pieces of the UniData acquisition that still remain... Not the database, but many of the engineers stayed with Ascential to work on a short-lived product called Axielle, which was largely a portal product. They are now the key people working on our Web Services and Service Oriented Architecture products. b) Regarding /.dshome - actually, we've removed this requirement all together in the latest releases. It's all geared at the environment variables DSHOME. Full support for rootless installs requires this. Additionally, this allows for true multi-install support of the engine. So, you can now install multiple copies/versions of the DSEngine on a given machine. An additional but related change was to allow for Dynamic Shared Attach points. Given that the UV world is heavily based on shared memory for things like concurrency, etc... this was important. In UV, the attach points and keys are fixed values, determined during porting time. This causes two potential issues. First, with conflicts in keys/attach points when hooking in to other products. Second is potential memory resource limitations. This is because the attach point decided also determines the upper bound of addressable memory in UV. In many cases this significantly limits the amount of memory. For most UV applications, this is largely a non-factor, but with DataStage it's a big deal. Now, in DS, those values are configurable. All of these changes are geared at the different customer that DS faces versus UV applications. These enterprise customers have different needs, and these changes were targetted at addressing those issues. c) Removals - actually, most of the changes involving component removal weren't performance related, but rather, maintenance related. Meaning, many changes that were going to be required within the product would require also changing these exterior components that weren't deemed strategic, so they were removed largely to avoid the overhead of having to update them as well. d) As you elude to, it is still interesting to note that any customer who was familiar with UV up until UV 9.6 would find the DS Engine environment perfectly normal. Except for some things that were removed or disabled (Spooler, UV/Net, Replication), the general environment is exactly the same. Some things were added to DS after that, and some things were added to UV after that, but otherwise they are the same. e) As to the IBM/Ascential collaboration - there is none. There was a good bit during the UV 10.0 creation, since the IBM folks were inexperienced with UV and asked for some consultation with certain aspects of things, but now they are doing things purely on their own (as should be the case). So, I don't expect any collaboration on either side going forward. Dave -Original Message- From: Ray Wurlod To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 2/1/2004 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential It is to be hoped that the DataStage engineers (some of whom are ex UniVerse) and the IBM U2 engineers continue to exchange ideas. Ultimately, however, it is not engineers who decide product directions. Recall the Golgafrinchan "B" Ark. ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Great post, Ray -- a few excerpts with questions below. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:29 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential When Informix, by that time controlled by the ex-Ardent board (and that's an interesting story in itself!), sold their databases to IBM, arrangements were put in place that both companies would begin from the same base, but development would occur separately as the separate products' requirements dictated. (dawn) Yes, I have wondered how the Ardent folks seemed to gain so much control within Informix, so I'd love to hear that story if you are inclined & able to fill us in. There have been two major releases of DataStage since UniVerse was sold to IBM, versions 6.0 and 7.0. Version 7.1 is due out in a couple of months. It is still recognizably UniVerse under the covers, though there are rumours that a new Engine is under development. We have already seen the beginnings of the likely direction for this in version 7.0, in which there is a component (interlude?) in Orchestrate that allows BASIC code to be executed, by loading the run machine. I suspect (personal opinion/educated guess only) that the new DataStage Engine will not be obviously UniVerse-based, but will continue to be able to do many of the things that UniVerse can do, but not all, and quite a few that UniVerse can't do. (dawn) While it would be accurate currently to add Ascential as a company that has a "PICK" product dedicated to their application, it sounds like you are suggesting that perhaps after the next release(s) there really will not be any "PICK-like" component of DataStage? I'm trying to keep as accurate a family tree for PICK as I can, so at the point where the daughter-of-UV component is gone, I'm hoping that you and others will make noise on this list to let us know. It is to be hoped that the DataStage engineers (some of whom are ex UniVerse) and the IBM U2 engineers continue to exchange ideas. Ultimately, however, it is not engineers who decide product directions. Recall the Golgafrinchan "B" Ark. (dawn) Nope, that doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like another story, so do tell ... Cheers! --dawn ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
quite a few that UniVerse can't do. In summary I would disagree that DataStage Engine is a stripped down or simplified version of UniVerse. Certainly a couple of unnecessary things have been removed (or not put in, such as triggers on base files). On the other hand, quite a few things have been put in, that aren't in - aren't required in - UniVerse. They're different products and, as development of each progresses, I would expect to see greater divergence in functionality. After all, they do quite different jobs. It is to be hoped that the DataStage engineers (some of whom are ex UniVerse) and the IBM U2 engineers continue to exchange ideas. Ultimately, however, it is not engineers who decide product directions. Recall the Golgafrinchan "B" Ark. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:02:16 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Could anyone elucidate a bit on what exactly was meant by saying that Datastage is a stipped-down, or more simplified, or more purified or whatever (!) version of Universe? Like maybe an example, or some details about how exactly Universe was modded into Datastage? Thanks Will ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
At one point, in the (computer) distant past, Datastage and UniVerse shared the same source code. When IBM picked up the database business from Informix, a part of the agreement was that Ascential kept a copy of the UV source code to continue to develop the Datastage engine. In saying that, Datastage has moved along a different path, focusing on the ETL issues and expanding its functionality while UniVerse is still a Database engine. Of course, Datastage still allows the use of things such as Hashed File stages (Dynamic files) for temporary storage, but with all it's added parts, it is a different beast. It's like comparing a seal with a dog. In the distant past, both are related but they both play in very different arenas. Ray D - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential > Could anyone elucidate a bit on what exactly was meant by saying that > Datastage is a stipped-down, or more simplified, or more purified or whatever (!) > version of Universe? > > Like maybe an example, or some details about how exactly Universe was modded > into Datastage? > Thanks > Will > > ___ > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Could anyone elucidate a bit on what exactly was meant by saying that Datastage is a stipped-down, or more simplified, or more purified or whatever (!) version of Universe? Like maybe an example, or some details about how exactly Universe was modded into Datastage? Thanks Will ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Ardent was right on both counts. Datastage can claim to be an excellent Data Warehousing tool, and people do flinch on buying a MV database. The two statements are not really at odds. Most people will claim to embrace the philosophy that VARs sell solutions, not databases, but in the sales and marketing cycle the focus somehow shifts back to the database anyway. As with Datastage, focus must remain on the end-product. The problem comes in when prospects ask questions like: - where can I get education? - who uses it? (Most people like to follow winners, not lead uncertainty.) - where can I get people to support it? If the MV community creates a firm set of answers these questions, then the "stigma" of MV can be overcome. Unfortunately MV is not taught in schools, you can't buy books on the subject off the shelf, and there aren't many MV/Pick job wanted/available ads in the paper to support the claim that it's easy to find talent. MV vendors and VARs must collaborate to create and support free education and information resources (like this forum) to insure that end-users see a healthy marketplace. Only then can we deal with a situation like "Ardent Management were saying that they don't know why anyone would buy a multivalue database". How about IBM sponsoring regional two week seminars covering everything possible (in the time allotted) about Universe? Put people in the work force who have MV skills and it will be much easier to sell an MV solution. Tony Nebula R&D >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of djordan >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:41 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential > > >Hi Dawn > >The arguments we had with Ardent management on this. Ardent >Management were saying that they don't know why anyone would >buy a multivalue database, whilst on the other hand they were >promoting Datastage a UniVerse product, as being one of the >best Datawarehousing tools on the market. Figure? > >Not only is it a pick embeded application, Datastage has >outstanding capabilitions in data integration with impressive >benchmarks for data loads (I think it still holds the record >for dataloading) which flys in the face of the critiscms of >Pick for interoperability. Sure datastage has added other >facilities on, but if Datastage can do it so can Universe. > >Regards >David Jordan >Managing Consultant >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Dacono Holdings Pty Ltd >Business & Technology Consulting >PO Box 909 >Lane Cove >NSW 2066 >Australia >Ph 61 2 9418 8329 >Fax 61 2 9427 2371 >www.dacono.com.au > > > > >-----Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 6:16 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential > > >I knew all of this except that I thought that DataStage still >ran on Universe, not a modified clone of Universe. So, this >does add to my MultiValue database picture another imbedded >PICK engine in a product and gets the Ascential company into >the MultiValue Family Tree picture (next time I update it). >Thanks to all for the clarifications. --dawn > >Dawn M. Wolthuis >Tincat Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of David T. Meeks >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential > > >Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the >engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for >Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for >Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the >years) > >When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to >sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former >UniData engineers who were trained on the >internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV >releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. > >Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal >to the DataStage >product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, >not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the >UniVerse engine, re-branded the >DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS >Server package. > >So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is >an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage >product suite. > >It does increase the footprint of enterpris
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Hi Dawn The arguments we had with Ardent management on this. Ardent Management were saying that they don't know why anyone would buy a multivalue database, whilst on the other hand they were promoting Datastage a UniVerse product, as being one of the best Datawarehousing tools on the market. Figure? Not only is it a pick embeded application, Datastage has outstanding capabilitions in data integration with impressive benchmarks for data loads (I think it still holds the record for dataloading) which flys in the face of the critiscms of Pick for interoperability. Sure datastage has added other facilities on, but if Datastage can do it so can Universe. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dacono Holdings Pty Ltd Business & Technology Consulting PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Ph 61 2 9418 8329 Fax 61 2 9427 2371 www.dacono.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 6:16 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential I knew all of this except that I thought that DataStage still ran on Universe, not a modified clone of Universe. So, this does add to my MultiValue database picture another imbedded PICK engine in a product and gets the Ascential company into the MultiValue Family Tree picture (next time I update it). Thanks to all for the clarifications. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
In short, Peoplesoft is using mv technology because RDBMS isn't good at everything. It's a 'best of breed' approach, like the one David Jordon is promoting to IBM - where you use MV for agility and RDMBS for the more traditional parts. - Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phil Walker wrote: Message No. Peoplesoft used Informatica to import/export and move data around within their product suite, now they use DataStage, NOT Universe. The data is stored in Oracle or other RDBMS – DataStage with its underlying engine based on UniVerse of 1-2 years ago processes the data and that is all. Phil Phil Walker +64 21 336294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] infocusp limited \\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn W. Paschal Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:45 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential So, in simplest terms, Peoplesoft is now an MV/UniVerse like product? (forgive my ignorance, as I have never worked with Peoplesoft.) --Glenn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
PeopleSoft is a company that has a full suite of products for industry vertical solutions, and includes things like Asset Mgmt, Customer Relationship Management, etc... Their two main products of interest for Ascential are EnterpriseOne and Enterprise Performance Management. They embed DataStage (they formally had an arrangement with Informatica, as Phil says) into their product suites to provide data integration, meta data management, and they will be reselling various PACKS to provide connectivity to things like SAP, Seibel, and Oracle. So yes, underneath the covers PeopleSoft customers will be using the DataStage Engine, which used to be the UniVerse engine, but who's development has diverged from that of UV over the last 2 years. Amazing where you'll find UV (or DSEngine) these days :-) Dave At 08:57 AM 1/30/2004 +1300, you wrote: No. Peoplesoft used Informatica to import/export and move data around within their product suite, now they use DataStage, NOT Universe. The data is stored in Oracle or other RDBMS DataStage with its underlying engine based on UniVerse of 1-2 years ago processes the data and that is all. David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Not quite -- it is still an Oracle-based ERP solution, but Peoplesoft customer could become end-users of DataStage, an ETL (extract-transform-load) product that has a Universe-like product at its core. So, Peoplesoft companies would be MultiValue end-users. Then when Oracle buys them ... Smiles. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn W. Paschal Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:45 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential So, in simplest terms, Peoplesoft is now an MV/UniVerse like product? (forgive my ignorance, as I have never worked with Peoplesoft.) --Glenn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Title: Message No. Peoplesoft used Informatica to import/export and move data around within their product suite, now they use DataStage, NOT Universe. The data is stored in Oracle or other RDBMS – DataStage with its underlying engine based on UniVerse of 1-2 years ago processes the data and that is all. Phil Phil Walker +64 21 336294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] infocusp limited \\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Glenn W. Paschal Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:45 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential So, in simplest terms, Peoplesoft is now an MV/UniVerse like product? (forgive my ignorance, as I have never worked with Peoplesoft.) --Glenn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Title: Message So, in simplest terms, Peoplesoft is now an MV/UniVerse like product? (forgive my ignorance, as I have never worked with Peoplesoft.) --Glenn. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. MeeksSent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AMTo: U2 Users Discussion ListSubject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to AscentialAscential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, supportstaff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years)When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerseproduct, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confusedwith DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package.So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascentialcustomer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite.It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have oneof those MV engines running at their site, though.DaveAt 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's ordid they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet anotherflavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, isit now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surpriseArchitect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of timeAscential Software || Now I walk a balanced line[EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
I knew all of this except that I thought that DataStage still ran on Universe, not a modified clone of Universe. So, this does add to my MultiValue database picture another imbedded PICK engine in a product and gets the Ascential company into the MultiValue Family Tree picture (next time I update it). Thanks to all for the clarifications. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent. Almost all of the engineering, sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel 9.6 work for Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the years) When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were trained on the internals of UnIverse. They now are responsible for UV releases, with UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there. Ascential also kept the rights to the source code. Internal to the DataStage product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine, re-branded the DataStage Engine. It is only available as part of the DS Server package. So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer. However, IBM is an Ascential customer and reseller. They resell the DataStage product suite. It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have one of those MV engines running at their site, though. Dave At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Actually, to be more accurate, Ascential is basically Ardent, but concentrated on the DataStage product. IBM got all of the database business (including UV), but pretty much all of what used to be VMark is who works for/runs Ascential. There is almost NOTHING related to Informix left within the company. Dave At 02:33 PM 1/29/2004 +, you wrote: Ascential is what's left of Informix after they sold the database business to IBM ... They hung on to VMark's UV-based data warehousing business. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: 29 January 2004 14:31 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35207.html Bit off-topic I know, but I think the original post belongs on u2-users, especially as it may well be the (ex)Universe engine underneath ... Cheers, Wol *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
It's DataStage, which is a customized version of UniVerse. Some of the original UniVerse developers went with the company after it was created from the remants of Informix/Vmark/Ardent/?? to go after the data "cleansing" data loading market. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/04 09:30AM >>> Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35207.html Bit off-topic I know, but I think the original post belongs on u2-users, especially as it may well be the (ex)Universe engine underneath ... Cheers, Wol *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Ascential is what's left of Informix after they sold the database business to IBM ... They hung on to VMark's UV-based data warehousing business. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: 29 January 2004 14:31 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35207.html Bit off-topic I know, but I think the original post belongs on u2-users, especially as it may well be the (ex)Universe engine underneath ... Cheers, Wol *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
Thanks for passing that along. Is Ascential a Universe customer of IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree diagram)? If so, is it now called something other than Universe? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35207.html Bit off-topic I know, but I think the original post belongs on u2-users, especially as it may well be the (ex)Universe engine underneath ... Cheers, Wol *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential
At 12:57 PM 1/29/2004 +, you wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35207.html Bit off-topic I know, but I think the original post belongs on u2-users, especially as it may well be the (ex)Universe engine underneath ... Yep... That would be the case... Dave David T. Meeks || "All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow" - IQ ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
