Jan Claeys schreef op za 23-04-2011 om 02:49 [+0200]:
BTW: I've already seen developers who include code in their
application to whitelist itself.
As Jorge asked me on IRC what applications are doing this...
http://www.fewt.com/2011/03/whitelist-utility-script-to-allow-apps.html
is one
Martin Pitt schreef op vr 08-04-2011 om 08:52 [+0200]:
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
support for many important applications.
For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
technical
On 2011-04-08 08:52, Martin Pitt wrote:
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
support for many important applications.
...
If this is a major issue, then frankly I'd rather just remove the
whitelist and allow all
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Jono Bacon wrote on 16/04/11 20:05:
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
...
Last week, Charline Poirier ran a user test of Unity, with 11
individual participants. This week, I have helped Charline analyze the
results.
On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote:
Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
* The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those
would be weeks out of date
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 09:17 +0100, Paul Sladen wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Rick Spencer wrote:
For brand new users? Some of the tasks aren't relevant.
Which ones?
Changing the background image and setting in general.
On the contrary. Changing the wallpaper and screensaver are
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38:
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Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Bryce Harrington br...@canonical.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
* 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
* Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.
* 6/10
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Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
* 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
* Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in
interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some
areas for improvement in 11.10, and these results will be instrumental
in helping to guide
2011/4/15 Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com:
* 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
access them by hovering over maximized close/minimize/unmaximize
buttons then moving horizontally -- which was extremely slow, and
failed whenever the window
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 07:08:02AM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote:
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 22:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
* 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
* Only 4/11 worked out
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 01:33:27PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Also, these tests measure usability, but not their overall impression.
Did they like it? Find it
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Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08:
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in
interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 23:29 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08:
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
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Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38:
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Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
* 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
* Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.
* 6/10 could easily find and launch a game that wasn't in the
* Only 1/9 (P4) easily
Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 19:05 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit :
I mean GNOME here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator
are against GNOME applications.
But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip,
mumble, etc.
Hi,
Not that I agree that unity should
On 04/07/2011 11:52 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
support for many important applications.
For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
technical problem. Unity does
On 04/11/2011 06:26 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:22 -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote:
I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're
going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated
to
use our new indicator library.
We tell users all
Hi Rick,
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 06:38:27PM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote:
Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay
the
2011/4/8 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com:
There are a lot of bugs and lack of features (and many have been fixed
already as well) and the performance is quite bad in parts, but those
are not as serious as a) crashers and potentially b) accessibility and
lack of any help.
Just reflecting
Am 09.04.2011 06:43, schrieb Sean McNamara:
...
I have much respect for the Unity developers for contributing to FOSS,
and I think that it has genuine utility in the netbook form factor. I
just don't think it's ready for the general purpose desktop. My wish
is for the Ubuntu Netbook Remix to
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote:
But what is available isn't classic ubuntu gnome... at least not in
testing so far:
Seb128 has fixed this, the Classic GNOME in Natty as of yesterdayish
is now what you'd think Classic should be.
For people who prefer
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
support for many important applications.
For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
technical problem. Unity does have a systray, but most applications
are not
2011/4/8 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com:
I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I
feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior
now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard
shortcuts/search/navigation and bigger screen real estate.
2011/4/8 Neil Jagdish Patel neil.pa...@canonical.com:
3.8.4 should be much, much more stable, especially if you're on a 64-bit
system. The entire team is concentrated on crashers and I think we'll
have a very stable Unity by hard-freeze.
Sounds good, and yes I've 64-bit which explains a bit.
Neil Jagdish Patel [2011-04-08 11:38 +0100]:
I'll be looking into this, I believe it's because we needlessly
initialise the place-daemons during log-in.
Does that include zeitgeist? As a Python program, it has a pretty heavy
impact on the login sequence. In previous releases we tried to keep it
Jorge O. Castro [2011-04-07 22:00 -0400]:
We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should
be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by
not shipping the notification area in classic mode.
Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a
Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 18:38 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit :
Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a battle
which we aren't going to win until/unless we actually get indicators
landed upstream...
Who is upstream? libappindicator is a free software project not tied to
Sebastien Bacher [2011-04-08 19:03 +0200]:
Who is upstream?
I mean GNOME here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator
are against GNOME applications.
But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip,
mumble, etc.
Martin
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On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
Hello all,
Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay
the default for 11.04.
...@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
Hello all,
Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
Hello all,
Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going to
Hi all,
I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what
others say too much.
I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make
Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity
should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote:
1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
support for many important applications.
According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area
will be phased out:
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel
at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was
broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide,
throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity
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