I’ll chime in on this issue — for the benefit of others who may be wondering
what is going on in this list.
All existing bugs in LiveCode going back to the distant past could possibly be
fixed, and display discrepancies resolved, if LiveCode the company dramatically
increased its revenue from
I am using revOpenDatabase with the "MySQL" parameter on LiveCode server.
I am getting an error:
*Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client*
What can I do?? I am in a real hole as the version of mySQL was updated to
the latest version
Chill, dude?
ok, one of the cool things about LiveCode is instead of writing
your program in Swift, Jave, or C, etc. is that you can easily
include any of these languages in a LiveCode app. I don’t
know of another programming tool that allows you to do that
and do it on various os’s. Xcode
Sean Cole
Still no apologies.
Hey, you are starting to disrespect my friends and I’m not digging it. They
have done nothing other than bend over backwards to try to help and your
bad attitude and rudeness is crossing the line.
Remember the main rule here, no politics, religion or cheese and you,
Bill, try this in the behaviour button script:
on mouseUp
put the long name of this me into theName —theName will contain the long
name of the behaviour button.
end mouseUp
put this me into theName - would put the value contained in the text property
of the behaviour button into theName. In
I haven’t tried the LC development environment on Big Sur yet, just ran an
already-built app. As far as the tabbed button, the issue is that the
highlighted tab on Mac has a white background on Big Sur. So with the default
white text you can’t see it, though the text is there.
Marty
> On Aug
In related news, I have an ARM64 Mac mini, and LC seems to be running ok.
With the Tab Panel issue, did you notice that as you dragged it into place you
could see the first tab’s text? That suggests that the highlighter for the tab
has transparency issues, not that text is missing.
WindowShape
Rather than puke all over my keyboard, I am now forced to make a rule sending
all emails with this address to the trash. I hate doing this, I really thought
things would just calm down. I don’t think that will happen now.
Bob S
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Reminds me of HTML. All platform consistency in display… until Microsoft and
Netscape decided to do it “better”. It begs the question, is it better to be
consistent with everyone else’s standards, or better to be… well… better?
Bob S
On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via
Here are some test screenshots to begin getting to the bottom (or baseline)
of the issue.
Mark claims that how they appear in WordPad and TextEdit are how it should
appear in LC. Lets test that. Here's WordPad in Windows (native). Arial
then the custom OTF font I was using both at 40pt
Sean Cole wrote:
> Spelling it out to you, here are all of the related bug reports.
> Confirmed bug reports. Confirmed they are bugs. Bugs that Can and
> Should be fixed. It won't take 10s of 1000s of $ as whatshisface
> Gaskin made it seem.
Embedding a replacement font rendering subsystem to
Thanks Bob, I may have to take you up on that. Hopefully it will get fixed. I
did tinker with it a bit and found that if I set the backgroundColor of the
button to something dark the text shows up, so the issue is the change in
appearance to the active tab being white - so the default white
Thanks Matthias,
Your comments are appreciated.
The projects deadline was Monday morning, which was completed. It doesn't
take away from the fact that next time I will face it all again because LC
won't fix the fundamentals. They don't live up to their promises. They LIE
(Jacque won't accept it,
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 00:46, JB via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Well it sounds like some of them expected you to get off the ship,
> and to do that by walking the plank.
Nice. Community
Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*
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Sean,
As much i understand the pressure you feel to finalize your project, the less i
understand why every post of you sounds rude.
What do you want to accomplish with such posts and what do you want to hear
from us?
You can't expect that everyone on this list shares your opinion.
I do not
+ 10 also. Thanks Mark. Enlightening. I've read several articles on this but
this one was easy on the brain. Bookmarked!
I talked to my partner in crime and she reminded me that we were the third
one to get the afore mentioned Word file and the problem manifested itself
by looking OK on the
Well it sounds like some of them expected you to get off the ship,
and to do that by walking the plank.
JB
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Of course I'm going to respond badly to this kind
> of bullying. What did you all expect!
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi
Se my notes on the other thread about OTF fonts. THEY ARE DESIGNED to be
the SAME in ANY platform (except browsers coz they don't accept them. They
have their own variance.
Stop making excuses. Accept I am right, for FS. I didn't create the fault.
I'm not even the first to report it. It's there!
Helpful. Gee, thanks!!
Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 00:17, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Sean wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > You might want to give me more time for this kind of testing
> Granted! I give you all the time in the world.
>
> >
>> Am 26.08.2020 um 00:43 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>> :
>>
>> Kudos also to Mark Waddingham who calmly delivered supportive info in an
>> even response, even after reading for days how he and the team are liars,
>> incompetents, and cheats
That would be the case if it wasn’t
Mark,
thanks for the response although only partially addressing the issue. That
article (the first one to come up on a google search, so well done on your
'research') is aimed at web layout in a browser. NOTHING to do with desktop
platform rendering which is a wholly different subject. And the
Sean wrote:
> Jim,
>
> You might want to give me more time for this kind of testing
Granted! I give you all the time in the world.
> and have a word with my clients to ensure this.
Ah sorry, can't help there, for that would be your job when responding to
requests for proposals.
Jim Lambert
This Me only works in the behavior script, not the button script. Not sure if
that helps.
Bob S
On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:48 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
I assumed the script would be:
on mouseUp
put this me into theName —theName is
I assumed the script would be:
on mouseUp
put this me into theName —theName is blank.
end mouseUP
However, it gave me a blank.
I found that this works, though.
on mouseUP
put the exectionContext into theName
end mouseUp
Thanks,
Bill
William A. Prothero
-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> Am 26.08.2020 um 00:43 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> :
>
> Kudos also to Mark Waddingham who calmly delivered supportive info in an even
> response, even after reading for days how he and the team are liars,
> incompetents,
+10
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Kudos also to Mark Waddingham who calmly delivered supportive info in an even
> response, even after reading for days how he and the team are liars,
> incompetents, and cheats.
>
> On 8/25/20 2:59 PM, Richmond
Me too. I stopped before my head exploded and my brain fell out onto the floor
like scrambled eggs. :-)
Bob S
On Aug 23, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
PDF Widget will do the trick. I start reading the PDF spec 20 years ago and
Kudos also to Mark Waddingham who calmly delivered supportive info in an even response, even
after reading for days how he and the team are liars, incompetents, and cheats.
On 8/25/20 2:59 PM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
This sort of stuff will NOT help you at all; it appears intemperate
FYI I recently built my own tab control that looks almost exactly like the one
the Mac displays, but it has two advantages:
1. It looks good on both Windows AND Mac.
2. It has support for Drag and Drop.
You edit the tabs by right-clicking in the “pane” of the group object, then
selecting
I just installed the latest beta of the Big Sur OS on my MacBook Pro and ran an
LC app built in 9.6.1 (that works fine on Catalina) and right off it looks like
2 things are broken:
1) Tabbed buttons - the active tab does not show the text, it’s just blank
white. Tried both Light and Dark modes
Mark,
Although i am not the original creator of this topic, I think this really is a
very interesting article.
But there is a caveeat. The licensing of commercial fonts very often does not
allow modification of the font.
And if in the rare case the modification is allowed, then normally it is
I’ll toss this in. I was using a Mac font that had a Windows corollary (I
thought) but when I dug deeper I found that the Mac had individual type faces
whereas the Windows equivalent did not. This font was a BUILT-IN font on both
platforms!
The result is if I chose the bold version of the
This sort of stuff will NOT help you at all; it appears intemperate and
is aimed (if it has to be
aimed at all) at the wrong people.
You have just managed to lose my sympathy completely, for what it's worth.
"redundant and without merit": judgemental, arrogant, and so on:
obviously you need
Couple of thoughts here.
PDFs:
I've been using PDFs since the early 90s (and postscript too). Even though I
detest the strangle hold that Adobe has on its PDF writer, reader and full
Acrobat, it has been the only reliable cross platform format I use that can
(most times) retain font Size,
On 2020-08-24 21:49, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
My client provided the font they needed in line with their tv show
brand.
They need the app to work both PC and Mac. It seems I have to manually
go
through each field, button and widget and make sure they are laid out
properly. The
Sean Cole wrote:
> I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make
> real world applications for corporate branded customers. Where design
> has been done by a branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production
> guide). Someone like the BBC
A good way to analyze a problem is
Sean-
My degree is in TV/stage production and digital design. I’ve built web sites
(HTML, WordPress, LiveCode), produced/directed broadcast and streaming
programs, and delivered custom software on Mac/PC/Web (using Director and
Flash), and now Mac/PC/iOS/Android using LiveCode (because you’re
Jim,
You might want to give me more time for this kind of testing (those solid
hours were solid hours because of the late timing nearly every TV
production company works to) and have a word with my clients to ensure this.
Not to mention with LC who make the claim it is code-once and won't need
> Sean wrote:
>
> So, after developing at a stupid rate, 12 solid 14-18hr days, we have the
> finished app ... ready for deployment out to Mac and PC. Tick the boxes in
> the standalone settings, build and open in their respective platforms.
>
> Only to find that everything you had laid out
I LOVE 'this me'. This extraordinary use of coding language is truly where
LC shines and why I love it so much, - sometimes. [sigh]
Sean
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Try the execution contexts. And yes, this me will return the behavior object
itself.
Bob S
On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:18 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
I have assigned a behavior to a button. The behavior button/source is on a
different stack. It
mySQL for which platform? Last I checked, the build for Windows did NOT support
encryption. There is a special branch that does, but I could never get it to
work.
What I came up with is an agent that resides on the SQL server, built in
Livecode that listens for connections. It then handles the
Feck ONE of the sticking points. There are a crap load of hoops I have to
jump through to make them work cross platform. The font thing is just my
latest little annoyance that puts me up on my soap box. I've been truly
shafted by the plethora of fekkin' NON-CODE-ONCE stuff we HAVE to do to
make
Thanks for your suggestion, Bob. Any pointers?
As I said in my very last post, I DID A PAINFUL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH INTO THE
BEST SOLUTIONS FOR HIM AND THE OTHERS. Saying 'I'm sure there are...'
doesn't make them suddenly spring up, especially considering we are so
invested into LC as it is!! Like,
No: it isn't exactly 'Code once' but it does come pretty near it.
Obviously one of the sticking points is to do with fonts.
My experience with cross-platform development does NOT involve
having to write for each OS. What it has involved is what one might describe
as tweaking and cleaning-up for
I’m sure there are other development environments out there you could explore.
Bob S
On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:02 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
It's hardly 'Code Once' then. You absolutely HAVE to write for each OS
specifically. Livecode DOES
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 15:35, Paul Pystcat via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> 6. If you continue to use a hammer instead of a screwdriver, you WILL get
> the job done… but then don’t curse the wood for damaging
>
In your illustration, who is the wood? LC? Surely they
1. AND a great movie!
2. Correct.. most SHOULD
3. and 4. I honestly don’t know, which is why I asked. If something was giving
me as much grief for as often and as long as the OP has ranted about, on
multiple occaisions, I would make my life easier and abandon ship. Why pull
your hair out..?
You are certainly correct about the non-materialising assurances (pace
the fund-raiser a few years back where almost none of the stretch goals
materialised) and the begging for money. Recently LiveCode was
effectively bankrupt and moved from its (needlessly) expensive offices
in the centre of
Hi Mike
I agree. But if you are providing the identical, Paid for font (and those
things aren’t cheap to a tv programme maker) then you would expect them to
show up in the same place in the text field from one platform to another. I
just don’t get that it’s been 15 years and they still can’t
Paul
It’s a reasonable question so I’ll afford it the dignity it deserves. Here’s
the thing. With thousands of £ invested in them including when they beg for
money to help them out during times of distress you end up almost locked into
their ecosystem. Besides, my main bread and butter client
i like "this me" less and less every time i read it.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:30 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Wouldn’t it just be “me”? And “this me” should be the behavior object.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 24, 2020, at 11:19 PM,
this has always been a problem with multiple development tools, at least
for as long as I can remember x-platform development tools and WYSIWYG
being a thing, so Win 95, and MacOS 6 or 7 (uh...7?). I agree it would be
great if LC would try harder, since the goal is to make the developer's
life
Well; let's consider that suggestion:
1. The Holy Grail was an abstract idea dreamt up by the Knights Templars.
2. Most people have worked out by the time they are about 35 that
perfection is a dangerous illusion.
3. "Years of hell": Why do you suppose the OP has stuck with LiveCode
for the
I really have to ask… if you are having such problems that are so
insurmountable using LiveCode, then why not just abandon ship…? Seriously. If
this is such a showstopper, why not find another language that will do exactly
what you want..? Don’t waste any more of your time. Do it. You may
Not a dangerous assumption at all, I assure you.
I do sympathise:
I made many applications for the United Arab Emirates University about
22 years ago (HyperCard & Toolbook) and
was constantly falling foul of my bosses who knew nothing of the
exigencies of either MacOS 8.1 or Windows NT,
and
I wondered how Java dealt with the issue of rendering fonts across
platforms. It seems they have (had) the same problems you are experiencing.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12202758/how-to-make-java-swing-application-has-a-consistent-font-in-windows-and-linux
Not Fridge, Fork.
I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make real world
applications for corporate branded customers. Where design has been done by a
branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production guide). Someone like the BBC,
Channel 4, NBC, or their subsidiaries.
Well: stew my foot and call me "Brenda" . . .
https://youtu.be/sLeG7gxIJx4
those 2 pictures look extremely similar to me.
I, frankly, never worry about fonts in things like that cross-platform
for the very, very simple reason that I set up the thing the way I want on
the platform I'm working
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