RE: xTalk Syntax (was Re: Andy's comments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread Chipp Walters
I'm in agreement with Ken on this one. As mainly a PC user, it is obvious to me that RR is marketing mainly at Mac users. This is because ex-HyperCard users are the 'low hanging fruit' for RR - and a company like RR with limited resources wants to make the easy sales first. While Tom's GOOGLING

I need a little help on ASP files

2004-02-09 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Below I pasted a piece of a .asp file off the web. I don't know but I think the !--display quote-- is a tag but am not sure if it is xml or what. What I want to do is capture just that part and add some code to it to better format the page. right now the !--display paragraphs-- run together

RE: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Chipp Walters
Frank, If you want dot notation and equals signs, why wouldn't you just use C, or VB or Java or any ohter authoring language which has those? That's what *they do*. At some point, adding same syntax ends up creating same functionality. The fact is that the X-talks *are not like those other

Re: I need a little help on ASP files

2004-02-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Below I pasted a piece of a .asp file off the web. the asp file gets processed on the server and sent to you as plain html (same as php and cfm) think the !--display quote-- is a tag but am not sure if it is xml or simple little comment tags.. nothing more, nothing less need to know how

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I agree with you Chipp. I turned down a job doing a Director project and instead talked them into doing it in REV because I KNEW I could get it done quicker and in the short time frame they needed. Now D does have its points but XTalk just works better for these type of projects for me. I can

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Lerner
On 2/9/04 4:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With REV I 'think' about what I want in english like terms and then start typing. I think that's what started the thread. Not all developers around the world think in English-like terms. :) doug

Re: The Value of Rev Stacks One Never Sells

2004-02-09 Thread erik hansen
--- Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an example of an application built entirely for my own needs: I recently bought a digital camera capable of creating short video clips. Unfortunately, many short clips means many double-clicks on file icons, or many trips to the File

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Ken Norris
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:09:01 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide Again: formalize it and be able to explain it to managers and other programmers. Make a case study for runrev to post on their website. Or write a HOW-To and

RE: Bug Database Changes Completed - PLEASE READ!

2004-02-09 Thread Ken Ray
Here's the workflow for the new system: ... 2c-ii) If it cannot be reproduced, a comment is added to the bug to ask the original submitter if they can come up with another recipe (since we couldn't reproduce it) and the status

RE: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Chipp Walters
Alex, You bring up many excellent points...but I really thing you miss some big ones. 1) Your inability to answer a question about messaging does not make RR unfit for work in the Enterprise. Not that I'm saying you aren't smart about these things, I know just the opposite is true, just looking

RE: I need a little help on ASP files

2004-02-09 Thread Chipp Walters
Hi Thomas, What you posted below is just plain old HTML which has been generated from an ASP script on a Microsoft IIS server. !-- This is an HTML comment -- just like in Rev: --This is a Rev comment the .asp at the end of the URL tells the server what type of file the URL is. In the case of

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Rice wrote: The questions I intended to bring up were: 1) In a technical interview, or when trying to sell an xtalk solution to corporate IT dept, you may run into someone who challenges the xtalk/smalltalk messaging model. I described in a previous post that interview where the Java

Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Ian Wood
Richard Gaskin wrote: How many times does an IT request get delivered long after it was useful? How many in-house apps get deployed but never used because it's hard to make great interfaces quickly in most other tools? How many projects are over budget? How many programs have you all written

Re: Andy's comments and positioning...

2004-02-09 Thread Dom
Frank Leahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not supporting these standard statements make the language look a bit beginner-ish. You are right. talk statements are way too childish! Speak of real programer language, not a quiche-eater one! (here, in fact, it is a bottle-eater one ;-))) Below is an

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus? (was Andy'scomments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread Dom
Kjetil Rå Hauge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Applescript already has French No more. And it's *good* ;-) The french version ws plagued with a number of bugs... It was funny to play Babelfish with it (fr en fr) ;-))) As a french speaker, I am *not* disturbed by having to write scripts in a

Re: I need a little help on ASP files

2004-02-09 Thread Frank Leahy
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 07:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if they are xml then can I use rev to parse the info If not then is my best bet to just search/offset the info and write my own html for use in rev??? It's not xml, it's just HTML. Don't worry about the fact that the

RE: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Frank Leahy
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 07:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, If you want dot notation and equals signs, why wouldn't you just use C, or VB or Java or any ohter authoring language which has those? That's what *they do*. At some point, adding same syntax ends up creating same

REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a hazardeous way to compare Flash and Revolution ; but it is easy to explain Revolution is superior to Flash beacuse Revolution can embedd Flash. Reminds me of the old religious language wars between Prolog and LISP. The LISPers always thought they could

Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread xbury . cs
While you all debate the pros and con of win/mac/lin and the rest... Top 12 Things A Klingon Programmer Would Say 12. Specifications are for the weak and timid! 11. This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code! 10. You cannot

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 9 févr. 04, à 08:34, Doug Lerner a écrit : On 2/9/04 4:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With REV I 'think' about what I want in english like terms and then start typing. I think that's what started the thread. Not all developers around the world think in English-like

RE: xTalk Syntax (was Re: Andy's comments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread xbury . cs
I know that a lot of colleagues would rather not use a Mac tool... Not that they like Microsoft tool better but what PC, SUN, Unix, Linux marketing have they seen? They surely dont look at mac stuff... While the Mac market is important, Im sure they're missing about 90% of the programmer's

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Frank Leahy
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 10:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? Richard, In most any other dev environment, the only messages your app gets are mouse and keyboard events, and possibly network events/messages -- otherwise you are in

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread jbv
Doug Lerner a *crit : On 2/9/04 4:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With REV I 'think' about what I want in english like terms and then start typing. I think that's what started the thread. Not all developers around the world think in English-like terms. :) AFAIR

Re: xTalk JPEG parser?

2004-02-09 Thread Frank Leahy
(BOn Monday, February 9, 2004, at 06:47 AM, (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (B (B From: UDI [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B Subject: Re: xTalk JPEG parser? (B To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" (B (B Stephen

Transcript and/or ECMA

2004-02-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed ! The English-like syntax of Transcript seem me to be one of the main parts of the XTalk paradigm : As long as Rev will support this VHLL feature, we will stay able to code transcript handlers, even without running computers : i like to feel me

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Dom
Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's what started the thread. Not all developers around the world think in English-like terms. :) You are wrong. In spite of my sig, when I am scripting I think directly in pig-english ;-) In fact, I am almost speaking in my head while typing --

Re: The Bitstream VERA font, the first truely crossplatform solution

2004-02-09 Thread Robert Brenstein
At 8:33 PM +0100 2/7/04, Dom wrote: About visually impaired persons: it's a pain for me to read those tiny chars in the Help ;- This ought to be a choice! Sorry. It was difficult to design this in, because the way styles in fields are architected currently, any change to font, size, style, or

Re: command-2 (previous) and command-3 (next), jumping by 2

2004-02-09 Thread Robert Brenstein
On Feb 7, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: Increasing the delay might work, as a workaround. Oh god. Is this an engine bug or an IDE bug? Surely go next isn't broken? cmd-3 etc used to be in a frontscript of IDE (commandkeydown handler if I recall). I haven't looked at the current

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Jim Hurley
I english orientation language of RunRev love. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: Tagging certain objects with contact, copyright, etc

2004-02-09 Thread Robert Brenstein
On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 07:32 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: That's right. If my product uses somebody else's library, I should/could include a mention of it in my About box but otherwise it should not be (in typical program) explicitely visible to the end user. However, as someone said

Re: xTalk Syntax (was Re: Andy's comments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread Kevin Miller
On 9/2/04 2:22 am, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Kevin dealt well with that one the other day. If anyone has a perception that Rev is a Mac tool, there's not much that can be done to help them. The MacWorld (UK?) reviewer who said that obviously had spent little or no time

Re: Transcript and/or ECMA

2004-02-09 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 02/09/2004 at 08:06 AM, Claude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Revolution can speak the same langage as JavaScript, Flash (and tomorrow Director) that can help thousands of programmer to test it and to adopt it. Claude This brings an idea to mind... If we can do fld 1 as AppleScript, can

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This explains a lot... Microsoft actually comes from the alpha quadrant. /H Top 12 Things A Klingon Programmer Would Say 12.Specifications are for the weak and timid! 11.This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This simly confirms the widespread suspicions that Microsoft in fact originated in the alpha quadrant. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: xTalk Syntax (was Re: Andy's comments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 9/2/04 09:23 AM, Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without in any way losing our great Mac support, we're working hard on our presence on other platforms. Kevin, Does that include SGI Irix? I still don't see any current Rev software available for all of the supposedly supported

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I like xObject as a name. Sort of an 'xTalk' based upon object models for RAD. I only think of stack, card and controls as objects anyway. I don't even 'get' the metaphor anymore. Of course, I don't 'get' the stage, players either. I mean deep in my mind when I am planning a new project I

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This simly confirms the widespread suspicions that Microsoft in fact originated in the alpha quadrant. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

RE: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread MisterX
This is Bill of the Borg, To debug is futile (we sold it already!). 8X -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 15:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus? (was Andy's comments and positioning...)

2004-02-09 Thread Geoff Canyon
I once heard that AppleScript was localizable into other languages -- French, I think. I even heard that they produced, but never released, a C dialect of AppleScript to make the serious programmers happy. ;-) regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 8, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Stephen Quinn

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This simly confirms the widespread suspicions that Microsoft in fact originated in the alpha quadrant. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Image Angle Background

2004-02-09 Thread Bojsza
When I set the angle of image test to 50 The image rotates correctly but the resulting image has a black background. I basically want to take one word text fields, convert them to images , rotate (or in this case set the angle) them and place the resulting rotated images side by side creating

Re: Andy's comments and positioning...

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
x = y + z (instead of put y + z into x) x += 1 (instead of add 1 to x) x.myProperty = foo (instead of set myProperty of x to foo) Not supporting these standard statements make the language look a bit beginner-ish Gee Frank, If memory serves, none of these standard statements would pass a

Re: Transcript and/or ECMA

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
If Revolution can speak the same langage as JavaScript, Flash (and tomorrow Director) that can help thousands of programmer to test it and to adopt it. If JavaScript, Flash, (and tomorrow Director) programmers would learn Transcript, they might find themselves in possession of new capabilities

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Scott Rossi
On 2/9/04 7:31 AM, Frank Leahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall a discussion a month or so ago about how to set a window's size before it opens -- but I can't find it via Google. All of my windows want to resize themselves smaller when they open, and so I've taken to resetting the

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
All of my windows want to resize themselves smaller when they open, and so I've taken to resetting the height on preOpenStack, and because that doesn't always work, Frank, On Mac platforms at least, there are two things one should NOT do in preOpenStack: (1.) Reference a stack menu control

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
Setting the size of your stack in a preOpenStack handler should work fine (been doing it for years without a problem). Are you running stacks with menus on Mac OS, Scott? I find stack height is often wrong unless I adjust it in openStack. Try opening the Distribution Builder and loading several

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Frank Leahy wrote: In most any other dev environment, the only messages your app gets are mouse and keyboard events, and possibly network events/messages -- otherwise you are in control of everything else, from what gets drawn on the screen to what user interaction occurs. ...requiring you

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:16 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: Richard wrote: What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? I'll keep repeating it: the argument is you don't know at until runtime if the message goes where you think it will go. One way to state it is throwing a message out for some

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 12:46 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: 1) Your inability to answer a question about messaging does not make RR unfit for work in the Enterprise. I didn't mean to imply that. I said: I mean where $, property, or safety is actually at stake. ... It's a legitimate question, issue, and

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Rob Cozens wrote: Setting the size of your stack in a preOpenStack handler should work fine (been doing it for years without a problem). Are you running stacks with menus on Mac OS, Scott? I find stack height is often wrong unless I adjust it in openStack. Try opening the

Re: Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:11 AM, Ian Wood wrote: How many programs have you all written quickly in Revolution that would have taken much too long with another tool/language? Like I said to Chipp: Don't appeal to programmer productivity. I already know runrev is the most productive tool for me. That's

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This simly confirms the widespread suspicions that Microsoft in fact originated in the alpha quadrant. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: Klingon scripting code revolution

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Thank you, Xavier. This simly confirms the widespread suspicions that Microsoft in fact originated in the alpha quadrant. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
2) There are many factors which go into tool selection. Unfortunately for RR, there are many which would seem to disqualify it before even starting. Good points Alex and original poster: Don't give me an Andy Ihnatko generalities, list these factors. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software

Re: Andy's comments and positioning...

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
Not supporting these standard statements make the language look a bit beginner-ish Frank, et al: Is there something inherently inferior about a programming environment that can be used productively by someone who doesn't have a degree in computer science? Do professional developers feel

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Alex and original poster: Don't give me an Andy Ihnatko generalities, list these factors. http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-February/ 030969.html -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com

Apologies

2004-02-09 Thread FlexibleLearning
Apologies for multiple posts... Email system is giving me grief. A lot. /H ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. ... All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple raising the bar and should admit it. Where is QuickTime for Linux? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Klaus Major
Hi all, On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. Quicktime is not available for Linux. That's sad but true :-( But there might be light at the end of the tunnel :-) This is from

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
You might want to try seeing if you can create a resizing problem with the IDE suspended. Good suggestion, Scott. I will do so. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

Re: Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
I asked: How are you going to sell xtalks in a corporate environment where reliability and correctness is _more important than programmer productivity_ ? Alex, You're probably not; so those corporate environments, which never have never will embrace cutting-edge technology until it is passe

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: My question was: Can you think of a way to address those concerns while retaining the essential flavor of the language? How would you like it to work, and have you submitted an enhancement request for it? I have no solutions. It cannot be

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
Alex and original poster: Don't give me an Andy Ihnatko generalities, list these factors. http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-February/ 030969.html Thanks, Alex... Now can you tell me which thread to search; there are a lot of messages at the URL -- Rob Cozens CCW,

Re: Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: You are quite welcome to deal with corporate idiots such as these, Alex, but let's not drag Transcript down to curry favor with no-nothings. Sounds like politics to me. I am raising a hypothetical question. Suppose you were trying to bring xtalk

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Alex and original poster: Don't give me an Andy Ihnatko generalities, list these factors. http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-February/ 030969.html Thanks, Alex... Now can you tell me which thread to search; there are a lot of

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 9 févr. 04, à 18:39, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. ... All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple raising the bar and should admit it. Where is QuickTime for Linux?

Re: Window resizing before open?

2004-02-09 Thread Yves COPPE
Le 9 févr. 04, à 17:23, Rob Cozens a écrit : You might want to try seeing if you can create a resizing problem with the IDE suspended. When I have troubles with resizing stack window on Mac OS X, I simply hide the group menubar it does appear altough I've hidden the mnnubar and the stack size

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Ian Wood
Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. All this Applephobia is getting really dumb. Does Sony think they will sell more videocams because they call Firewire iLink, even though Apple created it? The FireWire name is

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Christopher Mitchell
I can give you a concrete reason why some of my Win only friends are edgy about having to install quicktime, and it is for the same reason I am edgy about having to install any product from Real media: there is, or at least has been in past installers, a tendency for QT to hijack media

Transcript is flexible and requires me to make choices.

2004-02-09 Thread tuviah snyder
On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:16 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: Richard wrote: What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? I'll keep repeating it: the argument is you don't know at until runtime if the message goes where you think it will go. One way to state it is throwing a message out for

Re: OS X Standalone Prog Folder Problem?

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
I'm using Rev 2.1.2 under Mac OS X 10.3.2 to build an app. If I run the app inside the development environment, or as a standalone Classic app, then it works fine. However, if I run the OS X app built at the same time, then it fails to locate the support folder and files in the same folder

XML Documentation

2004-02-09 Thread
I have been looking at the Runtime Revolution XML API it seems similar to expat and several others I have used. However, I have failed to locate any examples or tutorials are there any? If so where might I find them? K ___ Join Excite! -

Re: Rev Review

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I like your comments on ways to improve the RunRev Web site and would encourage you to forward them to Lorin Rivers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm sure that refining Web site is an ongoing interest. Lorin Rivers was VP of Marketing for REAL Software

Re: Transcript is flexible and requires me to make choices.

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:12 AM, tuviah snyder wrote: Well in some frameworks/languages this is a feature..but it would greatly improve engine speed to be able to resolve which object gets the message and prepare the parameters at compile time for certain user defined functions/handlers.enabling Rev

Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?

2004-02-09 Thread Dar Scott
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 03:34 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: I think you're confusing the language (xTalk), with the development and runtime environment (call it HyperCard++ for the moment). HyperCard++ is a Rapid Application Development environment that uses the concepts of stacks, cards and

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread
Where might I locate the SDB/libIPC (to edcuate myself)? K --- On Mon 02/09, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alex Rice [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:41:13 -0700 Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide brOn Feb

Re: The Bitstream VERA font, the first truely crossplatformsolution

2004-02-09 Thread Dar Scott
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 06:24 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: This will be possible only when text attributes will become truly inherited. I mean individually inherited. As it is now, they are object/chunk attributes are now stored in sets (bundles of font name, size, and style). This

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
I sense you feel threatened by this thread because SDB and libIPC are geared towards a more business like, maybe mission-critical applications? Sorry if it comes off looking that way, Alex. As IS manager for several corporate governmental organizations, I did my home work and provided senior

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Christopher Mitchell wrote: I can give you a concrete reason why some of my Win only friends are edgy about having to install quicktime, and it is for the same reason I am edgy about having to install any product from Real media: there is, or at least has been in past installers, a tendency

Re: Transcript is flexible and requires me to make choices.

2004-02-09 Thread Dar Scott
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 11:12 AM, tuviah snyder wrote: So I'm for any syntax which would enable me to precompile some functions (such as math functions, ect) without losing the flexibility in cases where I may want to dynamically intercept messages like mousemove in a backscript.

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
Where might I locate the SDB/libIPC (to edcuate myself)? http://www.oenolog.net/ftp/serendipity_downloader.htm Enjoy! -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The

Re: Rev Review

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I like your comments on ways to improve the RunRev Web site and would encourage you to forward them to Lorin Rivers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm sure that refining Web site is an ongoing interest. Lorin Rivers was VP of

Re: Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Alex Rice wrote: I know- but for someone who didn't cut their teeth with metacard, and all they have experienced is the runrev IDE, then it's blind faith that the engine is as bulletproof as it's reputed to be. Sorry cut their teeth is probably a poor expression to

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Alex, Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:35:14 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: REV and multimedia On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. Quicktime is not

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: 1. If you have reliability concerns, check with the MetaCard community 2. If you cannot become comfortable with message passing, you will always be uncomfortable with any flavor of X-Talk. Sounds like good advice Thanks, -- Alex Rice | Mindlube

Re: Would you have written it in time? was Re: mission critical apps

2004-02-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Rob Cozens wrote: And, by the way, reliability is not an issue from my perspective. How long has the underlying MetaCard engine been on the market? Rev's VM has been field-tested for more than 13 years. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Rob Cozens
I sense you feel threatened by this thread because SDB and libIPC are geared towards a more business like, maybe mission-critical applications? Thank you, Alex, for the excuse for a little PR. 1. SDB libIPC are free and open source 2. My concern is that they do the job for my applications, as

Re: Rev Review

2004-02-09 Thread Jerry Daniels
It's the same Lorin Rivers. He's no longer with REALbasic, obviously. -Jerry On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I like your comments on ways to improve the RunRev Web site and would encourage you to forward them

Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread
Simple syntax/support question I would like to put a array into the element of another array then access it. How would this be done? put myArray into otherArray[ARRAY_KEY] If so can t be accessed via put otherArray[ARRAY_KEY][0] into myVariable? K

Re: REV and multimedia

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 9, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Ken Norris wrote: What's the alternative for scripting movies in Rev? I think AVI is the other movie format that Rev supports, aside from Quicktime. And animated GIF of course. How about PNG animations (MNG)? http://www.libpng.org/pub/mng/ -- Alex Rice | Mindlube

Re: XML Documentation

2004-02-09 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking at the Runtime Revolution XML API it seems similar to expat and several others I have used. However, I have failed to locate any examples or tutorials are there any? If so where might I find them? In the Revolution

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple syntax/support question I would like to put a array into the element of another array then access it. How would this be done? put myArray into otherArray[ARRAY_KEY] If so can t be accessed via put otherArray[ARRAY_KEY][0] into

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Kevin
Does the access Array[ key1, key2 ] expand all elements of the array to have the same number of cells or is this dynamic? I gues the qestion is is the array actually implemented as a list? K --- On Mon 02/09, Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Trevor DeVore [mailto: [EMAIL

Lorin is Lorin (was Re: Rev Review)

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Young
On Feb 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I like your comments on ways to improve the RunRev Web site and would encourage you to forward them to Lorin Rivers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm sure that refining Web site is an ongoing interest. Lorin Rivers was VP of Marketing for REAL Software

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Kevin wrote: Does the access Array[ key1, key2 ] expand all elements of the array to have the same number of cells or is this dynamic? I gues the qestion is is the array actually implemented as a list? I believe it is dynamic. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem is that a custom property would be a global type setting. I am attempting to create a structure that can be passed from message to message (a type of secession information). I require a parameters array to be a member of a secession array

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Kevin wrote: My problem is that a custom property would be a global type setting. I am attempting to create a structure that can be passed from message to message (a type of secession information). I require a parameters array to be a member of a secession array

Re:Manipulating Old Dates

2004-02-09 Thread Ray G. Miller
Ken Norris asked: Rob, In the product I'm working on with a client right now, we keep track of birthdates. And the way we manage it is by setting the centuryCutoff to one less than the current year (so right now it's 03). This means that as long as someone is 99 years old or less, we're OK. It's

Re: Setting a element of a array equal to a array?

2004-02-09 Thread Kevin
Thanks for the suggestion I will try several and see how they work out. Kevin --- On Mon 02/09, Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Trevor DeVore [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:09:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Setting a element of a array equal

RE: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

2004-02-09 Thread Chipp Walters
Alex, My first mission critical app was written in SuperCard! It was a Jumbotron display controller for the NBA called JIVES and it controlled the big screen TV's for NBA teams. As many advertisers use the Jumbotron, $$$ were at stake if it didn't work properly. In over 5 years of use, to my

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