Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Terry Judd
On 26/10/10 3:47 PM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: The way successfully used by the french Credit Agricole bank to make it's fortune in using a slipknot credit policy to make its cattle's breeders customers as dependent as possible from the bank. Apple will probably be successful too

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Kevin Miller
Hi folks, I've blogged with my take on the Mac App store here: http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding ___ use-revolution

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Pierre Sahores
Helpful synthese post, Kevin Thanks, Kind regards from southern Europ Pierre Le 26 oct. 2010 à 14:14, Kevin Miller a écrit : Hi folks, I've blogged with my take on the Mac App store here: http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Bob Sneidar
Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Richmond
On 10/26/2010 06:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Jim Sims
On Oct 26, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Richmond wrote: where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me Don't know about you or Kevin. I'm thinking Russian Riveria at Jumala, then Riga to S.Pb by train - Moscow - trans-Sierian RR. Yurts horses. Off the grid and onto the tracks. Ciao ciao! sims

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond asked: This of course leads to the inevitable question: if all computer people eventually grow horns where does that leave Kevin Miller, You and Me Imps. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-26 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 26 oct. 2010 à 20:13, Richmond a écrit : On 10/26/2010 06:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Here here! Bob On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Sarah Reichelt
Thanks Chipp. This thread has got so long that I couldn't find the post. Sent from my iPad On 25/10/2010, at 12:16 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: That someone is probably me. Here's my research. Both of these reputable websites claim iPad apps sell for only about a buck more than

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Bob Sneidar
This analogy would hold true, if WalMart charged 30% of the profit margin of everything sold in it's store, required a registration process before you could even sell anything through them, but had such awesome security that all but eliminated shoplifting and employee theft. In an environment

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Hi Chipp, Bob, http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-prog ram?skyline=trues=i One of the more interesting comments is so appropriately true: The argument that the app store doesn't bar outside installations is bogus. It's like making the free market

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Alex Tweedly
Hi Sarah - very interesting perspective on the App Store. I was particularly struck by one point. On 25/10/2010 01:36, Sarah Reichelt wrote: The other iOS phenomenon I would expect to see on the Mac, is greater numbers of small, cheap, single-use apps. LiveCode is ideally suited to this

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Chipp Walters
This famous study on the impact WalMart has had on small town businesses certainly debunks your notion both can thrive-- your comments regarding 30% and other non sequiturs notwithstanding. You may wish to '*take the time to examine*' it.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-25 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 26 oct. 2010 à 01:33, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : The devil suggests Richard's installer warning, new APIs only available store partners, and interactively modifying requirements and restrictions whenever there's a new vertical market Apple can profitably exploit (after proven by third

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-24 Thread Phil Davis
On 10/21/10 11:34 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-24 Thread Chipp Walters
Lynn, An issue which may be interesting, especially considering Apple's recent foray into the Mac AppStore. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323362/Apple-court-claims-teen-models-steamy-pictures-used-consent.html?ITO=1490 It appears Apple is being sued because of an iPhone app

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-24 Thread Sarah Reichelt
Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-24 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, I wrote: I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device -- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, and you cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-24 Thread Chipp Walters
That someone is probably me. Here's my research. Both of these reputable websites claim iPad apps sell for only about a buck more than iPhone apps. Not the best of news for developers who make a living selling apps. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/04/average-ipad-app-price-is-1-more-than-iphone-apps/

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Kay C Lan
Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. I'm a little surprised we are still alive after the previous apocalyptic prophesies made about the previous

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Alcibiades
To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus increasingly to media is in the control of a few

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Richmond
On 10/23/2010 05:40 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Colin Holgate
A few times in the past I've bought these discounted bundles, where you get perhaps a dozen applications for less than the price of the most expensive of them. It's generally a good deal, especially if there's just one of them that you were already thinking about buying at full price. Those

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Richmond
On 10/23/2010 07:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Chipp Walters
Kay, I get it you're a big Apple fan. Good for you. I'm curious, do you make a living writing and selling Mac software, or just investing in Apple stock and watching it rise? Perhaps it might help looking at things from a developer's point of view. Do you think it fair Apple exchanges a 70%

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Chipp Walters
One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else-- by far. Just look at how weak the competition

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Richmond
On 10/24/2010 12:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else--

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. Umm . . . really; I thought

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Chipp Walters
Exactly. Sharepoint, .NET, SQLServer and other enterprise offerings are all fine products, offering fine value for corporate America and are well-supported. IMO, MS stubbed their toe on WindowsME and Vista. The others were actually pretty good. In fact, I really like Win7. The same version of

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
But anything they've done in Smartphones or other 'consumer like' products like set top boxes (remember WebTV?), they haven't done as well. The single exception in XBox360-- and to this day I still don't understand how that one succeeded. Xbox / Xbox 360 have been much easier to develop

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Jim Sims
The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Yes, Richard's post is spot on. They have a track record, and this is how it will start. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3006723.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive. sims

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Richmond
On 10/22/2010 12:58 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: It will certainly become the most agnostic way to provide win-win next step solutions to agnostic customers ... Best, Pierre Le 22 oct. 2010 à 08:53, Jim Sims a écrit : The thought occurs to me that Web Apps are looking far more attractive.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Jim Sims
I'm currently working on a project and now thinking of using the old CGI rev engine, not the plugin. You can do a lot with the CGI engine - even more if you throw a connecting standalone into the mix. I was going to use a different setup but all seems clearer now. sims

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 22 oct. 2010 à 00:06, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 22 oct. 2010 à 01:10, Chipp Walters a écrit : Nice article, Lynn. One thing it made me think of, is the incredible role the Internet has played in software business development models. Previous to the Internet, the software Kingmakers consisted primarily of the MacWorlds, MacUsers,

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Sems me that this will stay the way to go as long as the password protected stack's library support will not be added to the LiveCode cgi-based application's server engine :-/ Would be great to get this feature added to the server engine as soon as possible. A timeline info would greatly help

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Yep. Thanks François Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:15, François Chaplais a écrit : A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android)

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Scott, Congratulations on making to the new and noteworthy pane on the AppStore!!! Just a few reviews and there you are. I can not imagine any other way to get that kind of exposure that quickly. And to think this could happen for desktop apps still seems a good thing to me. It levels the

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Nice article, Lynn. Thanks Chipp! Heck, I first purchased TechSmith's SnagIt years ago, then Camtasia soon after it launched. I now get an email every so often with an upgrade discount offer I can't resist. They receive 100% of the revenue, all for the cost of a single email. This

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Chipp Walters
Hi Lynn, Saw an interesting post over at Gizmodo today. http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?skyline=trues=i One of the more interesting comments is so appropriately true: The argument that the app store doesn't bar outside installations is bogus. It's

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Bill Vlahos
I think this article says it really well. http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ what_the_pundits_are_getting_wrong_about_the_new_macbook_air/ The MacBook Air is indeed Apple’s answer to the netbook. (One of them, anyway — more on that later.) But the answer they’ve given is “you’re doing

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-22 Thread Chipp Walters
Bill, That article is at mac observer-- so I'm thinking it could be a bit biased? But, you are correct on a couple points. Netbooks are typically up to 1/8 the cost of the new MacBooks, and they have more USB and other external ports. Even so, my original point was you really can't believe

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The personal thing is do we

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Chipp Walters
From a posting on my company blog. Some points made with help and ideas from this list. Thanks to you all. --- Apple really is a remarkable company. Without a doubt, they provide flagship innovation and thought leadership for the rest of the industry and the world (Google, are

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put your own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been wrong yet. We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they do this; sooner or

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian. We are just finalizing

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can. I think they will end up shooting

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 07:16 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know who my customers are, or not. How does that work with iOS? It's hard to imagine they could be so

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Developers chime in on the implications of the Mac App Store: Paul Kafasis, CEO of Rogue Amoeba, a developer of Mac audio software, expressed some reservations about the terms. Thirty percent isn't particularly reasonable, but it's not unexpected either, he said in an e-mail. For

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Lynn Fredricks wrote: I think there is a simple question to ask - Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Jim Sims
On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as far

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really where we think Apple is going to go? I rather see

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Peter Brigham MD
On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 08:51 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns. Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized Mac application store, With VersionTracker gone, folded into

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Wait just a daggum minute. I thought that Apple was building advertising into the app model. So how are advertisers going to get the information? Are we thinking that ads in the iDevices will not be able to link to a website? How about a splash screen on your app asking users to register with

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Colin Holgate
The thing about the Ambrosia apps is that they all need to patch the system in order to work. It ought to still be possible to make the apps work in a way that on first launch they then do the patch, and maybe require a restart. But in general I thing the app store would be geared towards apps

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 09:00 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close down OSX, I think

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Jim Sims
On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote: market it your way Sure, that's real easy to do. f]pfff. Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy. At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate were around you had a couple of central places where users would

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Koob
Andre Garzia an...@... writes: Folks, check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/ http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago, but one can only hope! Andre I agree with other

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richmond
On 10/21/2010 09:15 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote: market it your way Sure, that's real easy to do. f]pfff. Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy. At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate MacUpdate is still

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Chipp Walters
I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok. ___ use-revolution mailing

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Colin Holgate
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. Rev is in Java? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Mark Talluto
On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my product? Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can answer that? As far as I can

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? Not currently. In fact, Mr. Jobs went out of his way to note that it won't be the only way to get apps. But once traction gets hold and the marketing machine ramps

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread stephen barncard
I think Java apps are not self-contained and require a separate runtime on the machine. On 21 October 2010 11:44, Chipp Walters ch...@altuit.com wrote: I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for Rev. On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Malte Brill
I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well for rev. I think that might be because Java for Mac is deprecated now. As far as I read, Apple will no longer deliver the VM with Mac OsX (Desktop edition) but only with OsX Server.

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread François Chaplais
Not really; there was an update to Java for mac OS 10.6 that was released today or yesterday the link to the french page is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL972?viewlocale=fr_FR Not that I am a java expert, I have never used it to my knowledge. But, well, I do the updating... Best,

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. I never read any of this in the book of Revelation. (WHOOPS! Reference to religion!!!) heh heh j/k You might be right, but it all hinges on whether or not I presently agree with you. Quote from the book of Me Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Malte Brill
Hi Francois: From the releasenotes to said update: Java Deprecation As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated. This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really where we think Apple is going to go? I

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Chipp Walters
Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves around Apple and what they will do. Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, Netbooks aren't better than anything, they're just cheap laptops and yesterday he announces Apple's first netbook. Also from a

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display statistical data of your sales. How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is actually eligible for technical support? Most software developers I work with have this to think about, plus

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Your analogy would work only if Apple had announced that if you bought another netbook other than an Apple netbook, it would void your iPad warranty. Hmmm... seems a little overstated, don't you think? Apple is of course, looking out for their own interests. Shafting the vast majority of app

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread François Chaplais
For your interest, the TUAW blog post some early reactions from developers to the coming of the Mac App store: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/21/developer-reactions-to-the-mac-app-store/ Much shorter, and authored by a pioneer of iPhone jailbreaking (that is, before there was an SDK and an App

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread François Chaplais
A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Andre Garzia
I am going to create my own software store and will lock steve out of it! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 --

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Hilarious, Richard :-) But you forgot one thing. ...not containing viruses or porn. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC -

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! Bob On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Hilarious, Richard :-) But you forgot one thing.

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! The lack of porn? ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Andre Garzia
It is the Year Of Penguins in the Neo-Chinese calendar, the year we'll set our computers free from the bad quality of windows and the ungrokkable mood swings of Steve Jobs of Sith... now, let me install ubuntu again after buying my iphone 4... Jokes aside, I believe they would not be so drastic

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Lynn Fredricks
A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill -googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/ A word of warning: the author is an Apple

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that! Hard to say. After all, it's just looking out for the user, providing as much security and

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Not to carry on this post forever, but the model of the present iTunes app store is small apps that do one thing well that anyone (if approved) can use for free, or else pay a fee for commercial use. Enterprise app developers are simply not going to go with the model that Apple is presenting,

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Chipp Walters
Nice article, Lynn. One thing it made me think of, is the incredible role the Internet has played in software business development models. Previous to the Internet, the software Kingmakers consisted primarily of the MacWorlds, MacUsers, etc. and companies with deep enough pockets to advertise

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:58, Andre Garzia a écrit : It is the Year Of Penguins in the Neo-Chinese calendar, the year we'll set our computers free from the bad quality of windows and the ungrokkable mood swings of Steve Jobs of Sith... now, let me install ubuntu again after buying my iphone 4...

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Pierre Sahores
Nothing to add :-/ Best, Pierre Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:27, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites? http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting:

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-21 Thread Scott Rossi
For myself, I'm not sure enough details are available to really know whether this is a good thing or not. I would agree that first impression seems kind of questionable. Apple controlling everything seems undesirable. On the other hand, my little iPad game is currently being featured under the

RE: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/ Given how awful software is in the channel here in the USA, I think this is a good thing for Mac developers. It will be interesting to see what sort of restrictions or requirements there will be. A 30% margin to retail is about right, provided there

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Thomas McGrath III
This is very interesting and seems to be a huge opportunity for RR/LC developers. It appears that regular executables will work on the Apple Mac Store. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...

Re: [OT] Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Andre Garzia wrote: check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/ http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/Will our LiveCode apps be featured there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago, but one can only hope! I read sometime in November... Regards,

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