Re: [libreoffice-users] DIY AR-15 Build: Introduction, Parts and Tools Required
Don't know how *that* happened. My apologies. On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:37:34 -0400 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/diy-ar-15-build-introduction-parts-and-tools-required/ -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] DIY AR-15 Build: Introduction, Parts and Tools Required
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Re: [libreoffice-users] DIY AR-15 Build: Introduction, Parts and Tools Required
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 00:41:42 + Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Nicely handled. Thanks for the apology! It hadn't bothered me but thanks again :) You're welcome. Figured it might cause a bit of What the...? [snip] I guess best advice to anyone else finding they appear to be sending weird stuff is to change your password. [snip] Or simply make certain they're hitting Compose, as opposed to Reply, whilst reading a mailing list but intending to send to an individual an email completely unrelated to the mailing list ;) On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 22:06:16 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: [snip Looks like someone is expecting a visit from the CIA! Hardly :). Totally legitimate thing to do, here in the U.S.A., building an AR-15 from scratch. That's published in a plain old on-line magazine, available for anybody, anywhere to read. (Except perhaps where blocked by country [e.g.: China] or corporate [e.g.: Those who emply nanny filters] policy.) Anyway: Again: My apologies for the noise. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibréOffice and PDFs (Again)
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:43:20 -0700 (MST) V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Jim Seymour wrote [snip] Question: Do recent (i.e. 4.3.x.x and later) versions of LO *capably* allow the opening/editing/saving of PDF files that are writable and not encrypted or otherwise protected? Simple answer... YES, but LibreOffice is not a PDF editor and will never be. It will always import to ODF native formats, and then must export/print back to PDF as a round trip process. [snip] Surely a distinction without a difference? On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:19:03 + Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: It might be possible to ask your distro's package maintainers if they would be kind enough to make a more recent version of LibreOffice available in their repos. [snip] Even my Linux Mint 17 MATE install at home has only 4.2.7 (near as I can tell, from here). I doubt I'll see an LO upgrade for Mint 13. In any event: Not particularly germane: 99-44/100% of the end-users at work are using MS-Win7 Pro, and it for them I ask this question. If LO can do the job: Great. If not: I guess we'll have to go out and but a few copies of some-or-another PDF-editing-capable thing. On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:47:34 + jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/02/15 16:43, V Stuart Foote wrote: Your unsupported version of LibreOffice 3.5.7 was release 5 Oct 2012 and is well past its end-of-life from the projects perspective. - From the perspective of a commercial enterprise, the EOL dates guarantee that LibO is not suitable. This is a concept that the open source community does not seem to grasp. This is but one reason, out of many, that Linux will *never*, *ever* replace MS-Win on the desktop. It is one of the reasons I no longer suggest the idea. With thirteen months from feature freeze, to EOL, an organization doesn't have time to test, much less deploy new versions, before they are passed the EOL date. Which makes purchasing Tier 3 support mandatory. [snip] And, if we had to purchase the stuff, anyway, why not just go with the flow and continue purchasing MS Office? Not trying to be an urmas. Just trying to point out the realities of a business environment. I have all the time in the world (that I care to invest, anyway) at home. At work...? No, not so much. Even at home: I install LTS versions of stuff where I can, and let it run until it EOLs. None of the above is by way of complaint. It is what it is, and I'm more than happy with it as it is. It's worth way, *way* more than what I paid for it, so who'm I to complain? :) Thanks for the responses, everybody. I'll see if I can install 4.3.x.x or later on my laptop, under its Win7 Pro boot, and see if it'll do what we need. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibréOffice and PDFs (Again)
Hi All, End-users are asking for the ability to edit PDFs. Spotted this: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:57:44 -0500 charles meyer reachmepl...@gmail.com wrote: I've discovered, at least with my new Libre Office 4.3.5.2, that I can open a PDF or .jpg in Writer and not have to open Draw. I can also insert images (from file) into these respective documents and then print them to a PDF, if desired, or save as .odt, MS Word, etc. This was a pleasure to discover and helps enormously. I hope it's helpful to others as well. I know this does *not* work with the LO 3.5.7.2 install on my Linux Mint 13 Maya install. Before I go to the trouble of manually installing later versions of LO right-and-left, under Linux and Windows, to test this.. Question: Do recent (i.e. 4.3.x.x and later) versions of LO *capably* allow the opening/editing/saving of PDF files that are writable and not encrypted or otherwise protected? Related: Another co-worker was asking about the ability to create PDF forms. Again: Can that be done with later/current versions of LO? Thanks, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mongodb and base
(Kind of wandering off the mailing list's topic, but...) On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:25:17 -0500 Eric S. Johansson e...@esjworks.com wrote: [snip] No problem, I appreciate the input. Unfortunately, my experience with SQL over the past 30 years has taught me to stay away from SQL as far as absolutely possible. It's kind of sounding like your issue isn't SQL, per se, but the entire relational model. It is true that, for some applications, the relational model does not work well. [snip] Usually, the group of people I work with leave the database to the very last and isolated. We do that so the rest of the application is not contaminated by SQL isms and we have a nailed down definition of the schema. *That*, IMO, when you know your backend store is going to be on an RDBMS, is just asking for grief. It's been years since I studied theory on software system design methodologies, but, last I did, it was coming into vogue to first design *all* of the data elements, and their transformations, then design the software around that. My last couple major projects I used such systems and they worked quite well. We don't have hard numbers yet but with MongoDB, we are not getting any of the chaos and heartache that SQL delivers on a regular basis. I just took a quick look at MongoDB. Looks interesting. But, just as being locked into knowing only the RDBMS solution results in the if all you have is a hammer syndrome: I'd argue that one could not *possibly* deliver the best solutions for all scenarios approaching them from the perspective that RDBMS' are to be avoided to the extent possible, and then left to the last minute. It's like the big data question. There are really, really large datasets that aren't well-suited to common RDBMS', either. At the opposite end: Tiny databases in embedded systems. Then there are directories (read-heavy, light on write activity). I really do wish I SQL would go the way of COBOL. I would never say impossible, but it seems unlikely in the extreme. SQL is simply a human-oriented way of interfacing with an RDBMS, and RDBMS' are well-suited to any number of solutions requiring datastores. I'm glad you raised this issue, however. I had not been aware of MongoDB. It deserves a close look. Thanks! Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mongodb and base
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:31:39 -0500 Eric e...@esjworks.com wrote: [snip] not yet, I just detest sql and am campaigning to relegate it to COBOL status. (something you never admit to knowing or using :) Good luck with that. Probably has less chance of success than my Quixotic campaigns to get the U.S. to switch to the metric system, to get Michiganians to stop referring to themselves as Michiganders, to get businesses to stop appending those inane confidentiality/proprietary warnings to emailo and to make the display of Baby On Board signs an offence punishable by time in the stocks :). As an aside: I think SQL rocks. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote: Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from the previous line on which I was typing? I hope not. If you indent the first line of a paragraph using a tab character and you want this behaviour repeated, you would have tab characters at the beginning of every line. So far so (apparently) good. What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent. It is *exceedingly* convenient. With AI on: Once you indent: All subsequent lines are automatically equally indented. You undent by either (repeatedly) keying the undent key or returning to command mode (vi is a modal editor) on a fresh line. It may sound confusing to the uninitiated, but, to somebody experienced with the editor, it is very fast. As with nearly everything in vi: Ones fingers need never leave the keyboard. (Even with GUI re-implementations of the editor.) Some of us, and some time-and-motion experts, think the mouse was the worst thing ever invented ;) But then what happens when you edit the text and material flows naturally between lines? The tabs flow into positions other than at the beginning of the lines and you get a mess! [snip] The vi editor, being a text editor primarily designed for writing code, doesn't re-flow. (Tho it does have crude word wrap.) But the simple editor in my email client does. It (usually) re-flows the text, maintaining the indent w/in the paragraph. TBH: LOW not being a programming editor, I don't know as auto-indent would be all that handy, even if there was a dedicated toolbar button or hotkey to enable/disable it, but there have been times *I* wished it had it, and certainly the behaviour is doable. Then again: I grew up with vi, so its behaviour is second nature to me :). Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer auto indenting?
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:23:40 +0100 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 08:46 13/09/2014 -0400, Jim Seymour wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:52:59 +0100 Brian Barker wrote: At 15:53 07/09/2014 -0700, Jerry Noname wrote: Is there a way to get Writer to preserve the tab indenting from the previous line on which I was typing? I hope not. [snip] What he wants is known in the Unix text editor as auto-indent. [snip] Of course! He needed auto-indenting, not the tab indenting he asked for. And I explained how that works in my original reply. [snip] Never mind. I got as far as I hope not and the reasons why, and responded to that. Disregard. Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:44:49 +0200 hdv@gmail hdv.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files. I thought i was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded. I'm out of the office for a few hours again but could check later. Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share. No other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them. [snip] Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. Funny this popped-up when it did. We just had a HelpDesk report, last week, of a similar problem. .xls files that a user had been opening for read for years all-of-a-sudden wouldn't open. Windows 7 and (if memory serves) MSO 2007. File modification dates indicated they hadn't been modified in years. I tested it on my desktop (Ubuntu 13.x, IIRC) and LO would churn for a while, then emit a something wrong in the format/encoding/something kind of an error and bail. (Sorry for the useless error message info. I never bothered recording it because I never believed it to be an LO problem.) I copied the files to my local machine, using scp, and they opened right up. I created a parallel directory on the server, copied the files from the original directory into that, and they opened just fine. I deleted the original directory and renamed the new one to the original's name, and they opened just fine. I'm suspecting a Samba screw-up (cached metadata?), on the server, in my case. But one of the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality of the network connection. [snip] Not in my case. Both the server in question and my desktop are connected to the backbone switch with very short (less than 10m) cable runs. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:41:44 +1200 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote: [snip] Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied the files. There is also a tick box in optionsGeneral to use LO open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything. [snip] The originals had owner execute permissions, whereas the copies did not. The copies ended up with current modification dates. Otherwise permissions and every other aspect of directory and files were unchanged. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Thank You, Developers! (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?)
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:10:50 +0200 Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org wrote: [snip] Thank you to the developers who have given so much to so many for so little. [snip] Hear, hear! Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Too much Politics?
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:39:37 +0100 Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: The LO users mailing list is the only one I've ever encountered where people are MUCH more interested in debating Office politics and Administrivia than actual product features, bugs, workarounds etc. That's not my impression. I haven't read the list in days (slammed at work), so there were 180+ unread emails in it, for me. Only one (1) of them was political: I.e.: Referenced the adoption of LibréOffice by an organization. The only other non-tech-support related threads I found were, ironically, those started by you: See you later, I'm gone, and this one. As for the Hey, lookit who just adopted open document formats!: I've seen that kind of thing on many project mailing lists in which I've participated, over the years. For the average user, the spectacle offered by this list can be pretty off-putting. Just saying... You need to get out more. Or, then again, perhaps not ;) This list, other than the activities by our resident troll (whose name shall not be mentioned), is pleasantly free of rancor. And, I would note, appears to be populated by an exceedingly friendly, helpful group of people. (Save the aforementioned troll, who I have permanently bit-bucketed.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
At the risk of adding to the political noise... On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 09:46:12 -0400 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: [snip] For MS Office, the formats ending with x is a problem even for their older version. MSO 2007 might have trouble reading DOCX files created from the newer versions, even though they are all called a DOCX file. MSO keeps changing things inside the x file formats, especially the latest version. [snip] Still get some x files emailed to me and most work fine for me and LibreOffice. It seems that every major version release of LibreOffice seems to get these x documents to read better and better - for those few that do not work well. I have a Windows laptop that has some Word reader packages from MS and the problem .docx files are a problem with the latest Word reader I use. SO it may not be LibreOffice but the version of MS Office that sends me these documents. [snip] Yup. In fact: I've seen where people send x files to my coworkers, coworker sends HelpDesk complaint I can't read this file, I have them try LibréOffice, and LibréOffice renders it just fine. Hasn't happened often, but it has happened. It's important for individuals and businesses to understand this: For-profit companies make money off selling you stuff (duh). They can't sell you a New Thing if you're happy with the Old Thing. How might demand for the New Thing be... enhanced? Well, I suppose one way *might* be that what the New Thing creates is subtly incompatible with the Old Thing. Not that I'd accuse anybody of *purposely* doing such a thing--unless it was, you know, necessary or unavoidable ;) At work we're avoiding that problem, to the extent possible, by standardizing on MS-Win7 and MSO 2007. (The former because it's not too different from MS-WinXP, the latter because it's the latest that most installs already had.) It's getting increasingly difficult to find *legitimate* copies of retail versions of these packages, but we expect to have the entire organization's upgrade cycle completed before the supply dries up entirely. N.B.: For many installs we first try installing only LibréOffice, and only buy install MSO if LO absolutely will not work for the user. As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) Mind you: I *used* to actually recommend Microsoft solutions for many users (with caveats). Wouldn't use it, myself, because it just did not work for me--for the way I use computers. (Nor did Apple solutions.) I feel I can no longer, in good conscience, do so--for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the never-ending incompatibility/upgrade issue, and its associated costs--which are not insignificant. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] query ...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:51:02 -0500 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: ... this is an example of the inanity; rather than responding, as 1 thoughtful soul did do, this person decides to ridicule me. [snip] Do you mean Charles' Are you asking this question because.. question? Maybe it's a language barrier thing, but that wasn't ridicule. That was just a question. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM: At the risk of adding to the political noise... As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint. (MS-Win8 was the last straw, even for her.) What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer? Have little-to-no need for PPT at home. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base questions
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:55:48 +0200 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: [snip] I never understood why anyone halfway sane in their minds would use an embedded database anyway or why the developers of StarOffice/LO/OO even considered it. Convenience, with a dash of necessity. Average end-user is challenged enough just installing an O/S and productivity suite, and learning how to use them, much less a real RDBMS. Plus: MS Office (Pro) has one, so LibréOffice and relatives have to have one. Yes: Such tools should never, ever be used for anything very important. People will, anyway. Then complain when their db gets corrupted. Best thing people can do is regularly back up known good versions of their db. That's what I tell users of MS Access to do. (I am curious why anybody'd design a database tool like that to run entirely out of memory. Seems like asking for trouble.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Nitpicking on a name
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:54:14 +0200 Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:33:24 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: A lout known as Charles-H. Schulz: making note of this... [snip] Best thing you can do, IMO, is what I did after somebody recently chided me for attempting to engage the troll in debate: His missives go straight to /dev/null. Unless somebody quotes him... Fixed. Now those, too, will go straight to /dev/null. (Including, if I did it right, this one...) Life's too short to waste it on his kind. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] a step in the right direction
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:21:36 +1000 Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com wrote: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/open-document-formats-selected-to-meet-user-needs the link says it all. Let's hope this trend continues Two governments in less than a week's time. Very good news! :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:44:39 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour: How do you get embezzlement of funds out of a story about a government body switching to open standards? By buying new computers from the suppliers giving the best kickbacks and dumping the astronomic sums of money into 'open source implementation' subcontractors, ending up with stock Ubuntu with a changed wallpaper. We've seen that times and times, in many 3rd-world countries with corrupted governments. Nobody ever does that with commercial software, and it's always done with FOSS? Right. Urmas, this may come as something of a surprise to you, but people aren't as stupid as you apparently believe they are. Your incessant, inept shilling for Microsoft is quite obvious. Please go somewhere else to play. You've become tedious. Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:07:56 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Charles-H. Schulz: The migration process is implimented with the support of Zyxware Technologies[2] Another story of embezzling of funds veiled as 'free software migration.' How do you get embezzlement of funds out of a story about a government body switching to open standards? But officially it was enthusiasts working 12/24 for food. Not entirely. Don't look now: But major corporations have donated various resources to all manner of FOSS development. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Kerala Legislative Assembly has moved to Free Software and Libreoffice
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:16:24 +0200 Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: Pay no attention to Urmas, he's a known troll / MS shill, he's always coming out with antagonistic, and usually easily seen through, statements. [snip] Been here since February. I know what Urmas is :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: base error - no SDBC drive
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:16:49 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Oddly i still see a LOT of job adverts for programmers who can write Java. I'm hoping that is to help companies migrate away or to re-write existing java packages! [snip] How sad :( Java had such great promise. Java was *supposed* to be immune to all this. Instead, due to the realities of market pressures and the scourge of poor design and coding, Java has become at least as bad a word in the I.T. community as ActiveX -- possibly worse. Plus it's a PITA to code in, has horrible load times, and write once, run anywhere never did become fully real. It was bad enough under Sun. Now that Oracle owns it, I think it's doomed. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB Galera Cluster 10.0.12 GA and MariaDB 10.1.0 Alpha now available
On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:37:46 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] * Some distros have already moved from MySql to MariaDb [snip] How does a distro move from one dbms to another? Admittedly: I don't keep track of all the latest greatest stuff on the FOSS world (I presume MariaDb is FOSS?), but I'd never heard of MariaDb before. Furthermore: Considering how even PostgreSQL, which has, technically speaking, been around *longer* than MySQL, can gain little traction as a backend dbms for many projects, I would think it would be suicide for any distro to try to move from MySQL to such a thing. I really wish there was someone on the Postgresql mailing list who would let us know each time they have a stable or LTS or such-like release. I'm not certain what would be the point to that. Besides: If people want to know: They can sign up to the PostgreSQL Announcements mailing list. (*All* PostgreSQL branches are LTS, btw. Generally they all have about a five-year lifespan.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Regular Expression
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:32:17 +1000 Keith Bates ke...@new-life.org.au wrote: Hi, I'm in unfamiliar territory, searching a QIF file for a single badly formatted transaction. I've exported the original moneydance file to a tab limited file with the thought of searching for a non-numeric character in the transaction amount column. The only problem is I can't work out the appropriate Reg. Exp to search for characters that are not numeric or a . [snip] You want to find everything that's *not* in a particular set, so... [^0-9\.] That's anything that's not zero thru nine or a (literal) dot. Depending upon the flavour of regexp support, that can also be written [^[:digit:]\.] or [^\d\.], but the first one I gave works with any flavour. HTH Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
I think I see the problem. Unfortunately: There are no other paper sizes with which to test my theory. No other paper sizes that have different designations in Format - Page - Page - Format and in the printer dialogues. I *suspect* the problem is that LO has a paper size named Tabloid and the printer dialogue has the same size paper listed as 11x17. If I set LO's paper size to Legal and the printer to the same: It sticks. If I try to do the same with Tabloid vs. 11x17: It does not. MS Office refers to it as 11x17, btw. Is there a way to define a paper size to LO? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:49:15 -0600 Denis Navas denis.na...@gmail.com wrote: El 2014-05-21 07:27, Jim Seymour escribió: [snip] I usually print to pdf and use it later, to print phisically. [snip] And that turned out to be the work-around: Print to PDF, then, when printing the PDF, set the size to 11x17. Thanks for the idea! Is there somewhere I should submit this as either a bug or enhancement request? I think if they just added 11x17 to the paper size list, the problem would go away. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:13:11 +0100 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: [snip] Scenario: Just yesterday our Canon copier/printers were swapped out for newer models. (It didn't go as smoothly as was promised.) Now one of my users cannot print to 11x17 paper. That's on a Win7 box. Was the correct printer driver for the new printer installed on each PC? Well, it was on this particular user's PC. And on mine. [snip] You may be suffering from Worditis. Unlike Microsoft Office, which treats page size as a matter solely for printer settings, LibreOffice - more sensibly, in my opinion - treats page size as an aspect of page format. If you want to print a 11 x 17 page, you will first have to set the page to that size at Format | Page... | Page | Paper format | Format. I trust this helps. Nope. At least that formatting sticks, but it makes no difference. Interestingly: I can go to Printer Settings..., Properties... and set the page size to 11x17. And it sticks. But Print - Properties keeps reverting to 8.5x11. I've tried upgrading to 4.1.6. No help. I deleted C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\LibreOffice (and OpenOffice). No joy. Saved it as a .docx. Brought it up in MS-Word 2007. Print - Print - Properties (same dialogue). Set to 11x17. Checked it. Setting stuck. Clicked Ok Printed 11x17, right off. No muss. No fuss. Being as users need to print engineering prints, large spreadsheets and the like: If I cannot work around this, LibreOffice will be out of here. Just when I was making headway, too :( Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:42:44 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Is there some way of rolling out the paper size to all documents or is it now fixed in them all and needs changing for each and every document? As to the first part: I've no clue. I've never heard of a way to do what you're suggesting, nor do I know how many documents throughout the company have fixed page sizes. But... I don't see how the question pertains to my problem. I've set the document size to 11x17 on a test doc and LO *still* insists on printing it to 8.5x11 paper. I cannot get LibréOffice under MS-Win, with the new copier/printers in-place, to print to anything other than 8.5x11 paper. If MSO is picking up on the correct paper-size then i guess the correct drivers are there. [snip] Yes, they are there. In LO I can even go to Print - Properties - Paper Source, mouse over the image on the left-hand side and it tells me Drawer 4 contains 11x17 paper. If I select that drawer and try to print, the copier stops with need letter size in Drawer 4. So even when LO is told to select a drawer that contains 11x17 paper, it still insists on letter size. Btw: LO 3.5.7.2 on my LinuxMint 13 MATE system prints to 11x17, no problem, as well. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
Hi All, I'm not much of an office suite guy, so please forgive me if I'm trying to do something utterly stupid :) Scenario: Just yesterday our Canon copier/printers were swapped out for newer models. (It didn't go as smoothly as was promised.) Now one of my users cannot print to 11x17 paper. As an experiment I created a simple text document with LO Writer, then tried to get it to print to 11x17. No matter what I did, the page size kept going back to 8.5x11. File - Print - Properties Change to 11x17. Without doing anything else: Go back to Properties: *Bang*, back to 8.5x11 That's on a Win7 box. I'm playing with it on my WinXP laptop and it's doing the same thing. Yet, on both machines, if, in the printer properties, I go to Paper Source and mouse over the bottom drawer, the tooltip shows Drawer 4, Paper Size: 11x17, Paper Supply: 100% Both installs are LO 4.1.4.2 The copier/printer things are Canon iR-ADV 4251s So what gives? Thanks, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Option to output the .ods underlying XML files auto formatted?
On Sun, 18 May 2014 16:30:24 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Jiergir Ogoerg: Is there any option in LibreOffice to make it generate _formatted_ underlying XML files? The XML files by LO are consisting of one long line deliberately to hamper interoperation with a certain well-known competitor products. As a marketing decision, it is unlikely to change. Having done my fair share of XML-based development a few years ago, for another FOSS project, I think I can say, with a fair degree of authority: That's utter bollocks. If that *were* true, it wouldn't speak very highly of said competitor's products' developers, since XML is, by its very definition, formatted. XML interpreters do not need carriage returns, line feeds, tabs, spaces and what-have-you. All those characters do, from a software standpoint, is unnecessarily bulk up a file. I had to work with unformatted XML. I quickly threw together a simple bit of code, using existing (also FOSS) XML libraries, to parse the lines and kick them out in more human-friendly-formatted output. It was not difficult. I doubt I bothered to format my XML output. I don't recall. Speaking of formatting, Urmas: Unlike XML parsers, humans *do* need proper visual formatting to quickly, easily and even properly interpret text. That being the case: Do you suppose it would it be possible for you to use an email client that knows how to quote quoted material in something resembling a traditional manner, or must we ever *guess* what's yours and what's somebody else's comments? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
IT Geeks' Social Skills (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing windows explorer extension only)
On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:52:18 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] On a side-issue ... The ones where Urmas does help are often highly technical. That raises the question of whether Urmas is a dev and just socially clumsy as so many are. Apparently Microsoft have recognised that many engineers and devs have high functioning aspergers syndrome or, even further along the spectrum, autism ... [snip] Asperger Syndrome (it's properly capitalized) is often referred-to as functional autism. In any event: Yes, in the IT world it is quite common for technically talented people to exhibit impaired social skills. It's usually not intentional. Such people are simply wired in such a manner that social skills that are second nature to normal people are, quite simply, incomprehensible to them. Good examples of these are the TV show characters Dr. Gregory House, Dr. Sheldon Cooper and Dr. Martin Ellingham (Doc Martin). These characters are all portrayed as being brilliant in their fields, but socially inept to the point of being widely regarded as rude and unfeeling. (These characters portray behavioural extremes, but they are, after all, actors, and it is, after all, entertainment.) Such people can learn, to a degree, to work within commonly accepted social norms, but they will never, ever understand the *need* to do so, other than that failing to do so may have (potentially) adverse consequences. This is not to excuse behaviour clearly out-of-bounds, but more to explain the reality that, in a venue such as this, you're going to encounter such people. The only way to stop it entirely is to encourage them to go away. Then what are you left with? Who will answer your questions and solve your problems? The likes of telephone sanitizers, hairstylists, advertising executives and lawyers? ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
On Fri, 09 May 2014 11:05:01 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings. I disagree, Tom, in the strongest possible terms. I've been extremely busy this week, doing what I do - taking care of victims of interpersonal abuse of all sorts. This Urmas matter is far from resolved, as far as I'm concerned. [snip] Tom, It's been addressed. It's been discussed to death. Time to shake the sand out of your panties and move on. You're becoming tedious. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:47:03 -0400 charles meyer reachmepl...@gmail.com wrote: Might anyone on the list be using a Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2? I've been enjoying a Dickens of a time trying to get it to sync with my PC so I can transfer a video file *from* the tablet to the PC. [snip] This question would be better-posted to an Android forum, such as androidcentral.com, androidtablets.net or androidforums.com, IMO. That being said: I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. I've transferred files between my three Android devices and my computers in each of the following ways: USB connection. Tablet or phone looks to the computer like a USB file system. You may have to go into Settings (on my Samsung tablet it's Settings - Storage - USB computer connection) to set the connection type. (I'm not running Samsung's broken Android implementation, anymore, either.) MicroSD card. 8GB microSD cards are both as cheap and as common as dirt. SMB (aka: Microsoft Windows file sharing), using ES File Explorer on the Android device, with the directory on the computer side shared to the LAN. Via DropBox. Copy/move the file(2) to/from DropBox on one device, and the same on another. On the computer side you can use a web interface or DropBox' software. I also once used VXConnectBot's built-in file transfer capability, when I was logged-in to a machine at work from my tablet. (VXConnectBot is an SSH application for Android). Btw: Android devices don't sync with a PC or other device like, for example, PalmOS devices used to. (And more's the shame, IMO.) You can get a connection, and manually shuffle files back and forth, but there's no syncing, per se. I believe there are some apps that have syncing ability, but not the entire device. Good luck and HTH. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:57:48 -0400 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote: Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe either DOS (before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written by Microsoft. I seem to recall that both were purchased and re-branded. DOS was bought from Seattle Computer Products and it was originally intended to be a hardware test system, while waiting for CP/M-86, rather than a proper OS. Do not remember 8 inch ones. I remember 10 inch, and then the 5.x inch ones. [single sided and then double sided] The first floppies, as invented by IBM, were 8. There never were 10 floppies. 8, 5-1/4, then 3-1/2. The first Winchester drives were 10, IIRC. DOS *was* originally designed and written by SCP, but I do not recall it being a test system. Digital Research was essentially ignoring the new Intel processors, and the people that formed SCP finally got tired of waiting for something that showed no signs of ever happening, and created what became DOS. That was half of a double-screw up by Gary Kildall, who formed and led DRI. The 2nd screw-up (this story is apocryphal) was him leaving visitors from IBM to meet with his wife, rather than him. IBM decided DRI was not serious, stopped in to see Gates, Gates bought DOS, and the rest is history. So is DRI. I still have a well-thumbed and somewhat yellowed CP/M 1.4 User's Manual on my bookshelf :) Says Distributed by Lifeboat Associates on it. Anybody remember them? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:43:46 -0400 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: [snip] I hated CP/M [snip] It was nearly indistinguishable from DOS, or DOS was nearly indistinguishable from it, depending upon ones perspective. The other rooms had old Apple [before Macs] and they had CP/M OS options, ... [snip] No, they didn't. Early Apple PCs ran the MOS Technologies (later: Mostek) 6502. CP/M never ran on anything but the Intel 8080 and Zilog Z80. (And only on the latter because it was a superset of the former.) Eventually, Kildall realized the 8-bit processors' days were numbered (duh) and created CP/M-86, but, by then, it was way, way too late. The shame of Kildall's mistake was that going from the 8080 to the 8086 instruction set would have been a boringly trivial exercise, since the 8086/8088 family was essentially an 8080 on steroids. Those were the days of the early home PC market and the beginning of a PC in every home idea. Before them, most home computer devices were toys. People did some truly useful things with those toys. My toy computer ran inventory and purchasing control for the company for which I worked, at the time ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE : Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 23:04:42 +0200 Jean-Louis Oneto jl.on...@free.fr wrote: The DRI CP/M80 then CP/M86 were nothing but vaporware, I think you must have CP/M and CP/M-86 conflated with something else. CP/M-80 was anything *but* vapourware. In the mid-70's to early 80's, 8080- and Z-80 systems ran on nothing *but* CP/M. Oh, there were a few other also-rans, but they didn't amount to much. Micropolis, for example, had its own OS (MDOS), for example. I ran both CP/M-80 1.4, CP/M 2.2 and CP/M Plus (aka: CP/M 3) operating systems, and, in fact, wrote quite a good deal of code for CP/M-80 systems, including contributing to the original XMODEM and MINICBBS projects. I ran one of the first, if not *the* first, 24x7 RCP/M systems in the state of Michigan. Nor was CP/M-86 vapourware. It was short-lived, because Kildall was way too late to the game, but it did exist. IIRC, the DEC Rainbow dual-booted CP/M-86 and DOS? only the MP/M86 (multitasking variant of CP/M86) never had a real existence. I think I ever only saw a single MP/M system in the wild. When Microsoft bought DRI, [snip] Microsoft never bought Digital Research International. (Looking...) It was acquired by Novell in 1981. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
I have to correct myself... On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 17:14:12 -0400 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: [snip] No, they didn't. Early Apple PCs ran the MOS Technologies (later: Mostek) 6502. CP/M never ran on anything but the Intel 8080 and Zilog Z80. (And only on the latter because it was a superset of the former.) Eventually, Kildall realized the 8-bit processors' days were numbered (duh) and created CP/M-86, but, by then, it was way, way too late. [snip] As I was checking my dates, I was reminded there was also a CP/M-68k. But I don't *believe* Apple ever ran CP/M-68k on their computers. Searching for it, I'm reminded of the Sage 68k system, which did, and how I wanted one of those in the *worst* possible way at the time :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT) CVAlkan fobe...@enteract.com wrote: Thanks for all the comments - By the way, are you the same Jim Seymour who used to have a column in PC-Mag (I think that was it - along with Dvorak and others)? Somebody *just* asked me that question, here, a couple weeks ago. No. That Jim Seymour passed on a few years ago. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] There is a statement on the OASIS website (which unfortunately I cannot find at present) which indicates that in order for a new feature to be included in ODF-Next by OASIS, it must first be implemented in a few different pieces of software e.g., Apache OO, LO, and AbiWord (2+ or 3+ implementations from memory). ODF needs to be practical (based on real-world use cases) and community-driven rather than a theoretical specification developed in isolation by a chosen few. [snip] Given the way OASIS is organized (I'm assuming the description given previously is essentially accurate in the important aspects): developed in isolation by a chosen few is a non-issue, right out of the gate. Practical implementations of a proposed standard are wonderful, but, before it's part of the standard, documents written with such extensions are, _by definition_, non-standard formats. In my opinion: LibréOffice ought not be writing documents, by default, in non-standard formats. I am disappointed to find that it does :( To add insult-to-injury: 1.2 Extended is, in my opinion, misleading. It does not clearly indicate that what it really means is 1.2 with new and improved, but non-standard, features. I'm an IT guy with many, many years experience, and, even had I noticed that buried option on my own, it would not have occurred to me to wonder I wonder if that means it's non-standard? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 01:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In fact it is impossible that any other office suite produces 100% compatible ODF documents since by definition LO is one of the products defining the ODF characteristics... [snip] Once again: Putting the cart before the horse. LO does not define the standard. OASIS or ISO (depending upon one's perspective, I suppose) defines the standard. LO's responsibility is to faithfully *implement* the standard. LO might reasonably also play testbed for proposed new standards, but that ought to be optional behaviour, explicitly chosen by the user(s), not default, out-of-the-box behaviour. At least in *my* opinion. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:43:09 + e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] The original question asked whether LO is compatible with m$, hence the reciprocal question as the answer. It is not known why the original poster (HB) asked this (silly) question: ... [snip] I don't think the OP's original question silly. I think he or she wanted to know if LibréOffice's support for MS Office formats was compatible with those of MS Office's. A reasonable question, in my view. The poor guy or gal, rather than getting an answer to his or her question, instead ran into a buzz saw of anti-proprietary-formats sentiment, criticisms of Microsoft's behaviour and arguments about LO's implementation of non-standard standards. So, to answer the OP's original question (at least as I believe it to have meant): Kind of more-or-less. Probably more more than less :). I use the LibréOffice suite *exclusively*, and encounter few problems with the documents generated by my MS-Office-using colleagues. In fact: The only problem I've run into recently was attempting to export an MS Word document into PDF. LibréOffice Writer mangled the output. I had to resort to MS Office on my company laptop, booted into MS-Windows, accomplish the task. My experience is limited to .doc/.docx and .xls/.xlsx files. I do no PowerPoint (tho I did once do a presentation in LO's native presentation format), nor do I use the database application (Base). Is Draw able to read/write Visio files? Never even thought about that. I don't do much of that kind of thing, either. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 03:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: nabbler wrote Please go to m$ and ask if m$office is compatible with the ODF standard of LO THAT is exactly the problem! There should never be an ODF standard of LO. [snip] I read that as compatible with the ODF standard, as implemented in LO. I.e.: LO uses the ODF standard. Does MS Office? Did I read that wrong? Or does LO not properly implement the ODF standard? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, all Jim Seymour wrote I read that as compatible with the ODF standard, as implemented in LO. I.e.: LO uses the ODF standard. Does MS Office? Did I read that wrong? Or does LO not properly implement the ODF standard? As Italo mentioned LO is backwards compatible with all ODF specifications. But since LO is pushing the ODF file format, the current LO implementation is more advanced than the current approved OASIS standard (e.g. LO supports font embedding) No offense intended, but that's weasel-word way of saying LO is non-standard. So it's not a case that LO is not implementing the existing ODF standards but that it is already improving on them (in an open manner, unlike MS XML). So OASIS has to catch up :) OASIS establishes the standards, no? If such is the case: What you've written, above, is what we call putting the cart before the horse. And that's putting the best possible light on it. To be clear: I have no problem with LO implementing non-standard behaviour, but that behaviour *must* be optional, with the switches that enable it clearly noted as such. Hope this makes it clear ;) Disappointingly so, if I understood correctly what you wrote, and if what you wrote is accurate. But perhaps I've misunderstood? In which case: Disregard my criticisms. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:12:51 +0100 Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi Jim, [snip] My understanding as a normal/basic user of LO is that it supports the different ODF standards which exist, some of them approved by OASIS and others not yet approved. E.g. in writer you can select the ODF version standard in Options/Load/Save/General see also: https://help.libreoffice.org/swriter/cui/ui/optsavepage/odfversion?Language=en-USSystem=WINVersion=4.2#bm_id810266 One would hope the standard behaviour is to write things in the officially standard way. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO compatibility
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Seymour wrote No offense intended, but that's weasel-word way of saying LO is non-standard. I can't figure out how calling someone a weasel can be *not* offensive... [snip] My apologies. Bad choice of terms on an international mailing list :( Using weasel words does not one a weasel make :). It describes a use of language, or phraseology, not the individual. Better phrasing would have been that's just another way of saying... Tho I suppose one who habitually employs weasel-wording might reasonably be suspected of being a weasel :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:31:06 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 and 1.1, or formulas fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO uses? Do you think .doc[x] stands a chance with newer versions of proprietary software having the propensity to re-write existing documents into formats incompatible with older versions [1]; gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces, from version-to-version, that violate all the tenets of POLA [2], and the per-seat expense of said proprietary software [3]? Do you think a Certain Large Software Company's stated goal of subverting or destroying commodity protocols [4] has been successful? [1] In a transparent attempt to persuade customers to continue the vicious, and expensive, upgrade cycle. [2] Principle Of Least Astonishment [3] See: [1] [4] If you've never seen them: The Halloween Documents: http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/ Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:46:00 + Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) [sighs deeply] So some people on this mailing-list demand that we all change which email-client we use to the one that they use and then set it to a non-default way. [snip] I only recall seeing one suggestion that people change their email client app. Otherwise it's been observations about how many (most?) other mailing lists handle participation and Reply-to, along with some comments about how individuals handle it, themselves. Personally: Other than preferring people *not* Reply-all to my posts, because I find receiving duplicates annoying, I don't care. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
This isn't the droid you're looking for (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...)
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 10:42:20 -0500 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim, I just have to ask. Are you the same Jim Seymour who used to do battle with John Dvorak in the PC magazines? [snip] Been quite a few years since I got this question. That could be only if I was emailing from the beyond: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,613757,00.asp No, thankfully, I'm a different Jim Seymour entirely. Beside our current positions relative to the Earth's surface, there are several other differences... That Jim Seymour was a big guy. So am I, but mostly vertically, rather than, well... sideways. That Jim Seymour had hair. Me? Not so much... anymore. (But mine was curly, like his, when I had it.) That Jim Seymour liked MS-Win PCs. Me? *cough* Not so much, and we'd best leave it at that ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:14:04 +0100 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it wrote: [snip] dear jim, I'm using thunderbird, and I have the same problem, if I press ctrlR the reply is to the sender non to the list, and I would like ctrlto reply to the list not to the sender, so I have to use reply to list, It seems you are very skilled about, how can I set thunderbird to reply to the list when I pressR??? I'm not any kind of Thunderbird expert. While I administer a network where Thunderbird is the corporate standard, and my wife uses it, I don't use it, myself. My *guess* would be: You can't do that. But I could be wrong. Thunderbird is highly-configurable under the hood. What you're seeking is a way to remap Ctrl-R to what you want. However, I would add: I don't know as that's necessarily wise. I don't know what Thunderbird will do if there is no list to which to reply--just an individual one-on-one email. I'm not a fan of the mouse, but this may be one of those times were you're better-off using it--to click the reply to list button. manythanks, :-) ciao :-) pier You're welcome. Sorry I could not be of more use. FWIW: What I *am* using for an email client application is Claws-Mail. For me: Claws-Mail has a number of advantages over Thunderbird, not the least of which is a rich variety of per-folder preferences that can be set. Amongst those are Default to, Default to for replies, and Default reply-to. So, with Claws-Mail, procmail fu is not required :). (Note: The default to for replies overrides/disregards any Reply-to header. Some people may feel that broken behaviour.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:25:36 -0500 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/2/2014 1:53 PM, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: In fact: Because some people, for some reason, feel the need to set Reply-to to their own email address: I've a procmail rule that resets those to the mailing list. That is rude and arrogant and you should *never* do that. [snip] That is your opinion and you're welcome to it. Mine is that conversations begun on a mailing list by default should stay on the mailing list. Years of experience on a wide variety of mailing lists has taught me there is a subset of participants that, for whatever reason, set their default Reply-to to themselves, then expect respondents to Reply All. I rarely use Reply All, and *never* on a mailing list. Too many times, in the past, I've replied, only to have to copy-and-paste my reply into a new reply and manually set the reply to the mailing list. How Reply-to should be handled, or whether it's handled at all, is a fairly frequent, and often contentious subject on mailing lists. I've figured out what works for me. I leave others to their own devices. As for the mailing list's policies: If they wish to allow un-subscribed individuals to post, don't wish to set Reply-to or whatever: That's the list's business, IMO. I'll happily work within the framework they so graciously provide me ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Reply-To? (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Button clic saves and sends email)
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:34:59 + Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Please use Reply to all when replying to mails from this mailing list. That way everyone gets to see what is going on so far and might be able to add the next bit to build up the complete answer or provide a different approach. [snip] That runs directly counter to what I'd wish. If people Reply to all to this post, I'll get two copies. I don't need two copies, being as I actually read the mailing list. In fact: Because some people, for some reason, feel the need to set Reply-to to their own email address: I've a procmail rule that resets those to the mailing list. In general terms, on this mailing list or any other, I almost *never* Reply to all. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] comment-807
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:12:13 +0100 Walther Koehler w.koeh...@onlinemed.de wrote: [snip] As our English is a free and open standard independent of company interests so it should be on the technical level of communication. [snip] Brilliantly-put, Walther! May I have your permission to use that in a .sig line? With attribution, of course. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
As an aside: The following is why things are they way they are in business, any more. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:54:35 -0500 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Since the IT department was under the authority of the finance department, ... [snip] We've avoided IT falling under control of the bean counters, where I work. If that ever changes: I'm outta here. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:27:58 -0500 Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Pedro I stand corrected. Thanks, I in the US where I am and the US tech press rarely mentions Europe is moving towards ODF. (Snide comments about faux journalists being MS lap dogs). [snip] More a case of the U.S. being U.S.-centric... to the point where the rest of the world doesn't matter. But that's another topic, for another day, hopefully in another place ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:36:51 + Gordon Burgess-Parker gor...@gbpcomputing.co.uk wrote: [snip] The IT dept refused to install it, saying they hadn't been consulted. One example of the organisation existing for the IT dept's benefit, rather than the other way round! ;-) I guess I was being too subtle, by far :). Was trying not to insult of offend anybody. My larger point was that corporate decisions these days are more often made by people who add numbers than those who innovate. I agree, re: The role of I.T. I.T. is not an end, but a means. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:21:29 -0500 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: [snip] I often have to write documents that are sent to colleagues who are using M$. What I write *must* be readable by their chosen program. They are not going to listen to an LO evangelist proclaiming the gospel of ODF. [snip] Humourous aside: A few months ago one of my internal customers complained they weren't able to open a document emailed to them by somebody at A Very Large International Automobile Manufacturer. Looked at the attachment, and darned if it wasn't ODF :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibréOffice Base Forms, PostgreSQL (JDBC) and Table Joins
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:00:45 +0100 Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 22/02/2014 19:11, Jim Seymour a écrit : Hi Jim, For starters: LibréOffice 3.5.7.2, Build ID: 350m1 (Build: 2) Before anybody suggests a newer version: I'm currently on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), so I'm stuck with it. (Even my much newer Linux Mint desktop install at work is still 3.x, I believe.) You should be able to install newer versions even on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, if you download them from the LibreOffice website. Of course, they won't necessarily have full desktop integration, although Unity came after 10.04, so it should be OK. I followed the instructions for adding the proper repository and installed with apt-get. 3.5.7.2 is what it gave me. As for Linux Mint, I have Mint 15 and 16 on two separate machines. Both have (at least I think they do) more recent packaged versions of LO in their repos than 3.5.7 (Mint 16 : LO 4.1.3.2). I have Mint 13 at work. It isn't all *that* old. Only installed about a year ago, if memory serves. Yes: I see 15 and 16 are now available. Wow. Anyway: 3.5.7.2 at work, on my Mint 13 machine, as well. I have 4.1.something under MS-Win on my work laptop. Haven't played with that, yet. (Have yet to work out the self-signed CA cert with keytool under MS-Win.) Anyway, as that is not necessarily an immediate solution to your problem, on to the meat of the question : I have a database with a couple tables, as in create table hdwr_assets ( atag text primary key, serno text unique, status_id int references hdwr_status, . . . ); -- e.g.: deployed, in stock create table hdwr_status ( status_id serial primary key, descr textnot null, ); The plan was to create a form that could query and alter hardware assets, selecting values for status_id from a drop-down list, the available selection being from the hardware status table. Does the LEFT JOIN query with a single join actually run from the Query Designer or do you get an error ? The left join works in Query Designer. I get the same thing as I would with an ad hoc query via psql. Does it make any difference if you turn off/on the Direct SQL button (which causes the query to bypass the internal LO SQL parser, or alternatively, ask it to interpret the query before fielding it to the JDBC driver) ? I did not try those things. Didn't know about them. I'll look into it. What are the settings in the Advanced Options of your db connection for that ODB file ? Edit - Advanced Settings - Database - Special Settings, perhaps? Options checked are: Ignore the privileges from the database driver Use catalog name in SELECT statements Use schema name in SELECT statements Create index with ASC or DESC statement Form data input checks for required fields Use ODBC conformant data/time literals Comparison of Boolean values: Default Which driver version of JDBC are you using ? Which version of postgres ? PostgreSQL v8.4.19 w/postgresql-jdbc4-9.1.jar at work PostgreSQL v8.4.19 w/postgresql-jdbc3-8.4.jar at home Behaviour is the same at both locations. Alex (yes, yet another) LOL! Thanks for the follow-up, Alex the III :) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:16:50 -0500 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-24 1:10 PM, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: You are unaware of the numbers of m$ fans that pollute this list demanding that the priority of LO is not to produce high quality native odf output, Never ever seen anyone say anything like that... but instead to produce perfect m$ documents. Definitely seen people say this should be a priority, but not a higher priority than for ODF documents. On the other hand, I have seen *you* say crap like LO shouldn't even support MS office file formats at all, which is pure rabid anti-MS rubbish. This is all rather unbecoming, don't you guys think? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibréOffice Base Forms, PostgreSQL (JDBC) and Table Joins
Alex, Thanks for the follow-up. Ideally there'd be one form for the asset(s), wherein each value could be entered or altered, the ones being foreign key references presenting a list from the desired column in the table to which the FK references. For example: I can do an ad hoc query that looks roughly like select ..., s.desc as status, ... from hdwr_assets h left join hdwr_status s on s.status_id = h.status_id...; and a field named status will show in the output. Ideally, I'd like to be able to do that. In fact: I *can* do that in Queries - Create Query in Design View), but not in a form? Behind the scenes: When you clicked on a list box for status in the assets form, a list derived from descr in the status table would be presented. When a selection is made, the related status_id value would be placed in the status_id field for the selected hardware asset. A sub-form would (could?) be presented, allowing one to alter the status table. Btw: When I try to associate hdwr_assets.status_id to hdwr_status.status_id using the Forms Wizard, execution results in Error: The data content could not be loaded. Error: SQL Status: 22023 The column index is out of range: 1, number of columns: 0. Information: The SQL command leading to this error is: SELECT * FROM public.hdwr_status WHERE ( status_id = :link_from_status_id ) Which is not valid SQL. I would have thought this functionality would be present. Even the most basic of database normalization in the most trivial of databases is going to result in multiple tables and FK references. Thanks, Jim On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:22:32 + Alex McMurchy mcmurchy1917-libreoff...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Jim Is it that you want a single form, comprised of sub forms, whereby you can filter assets according to their status i.e. deployed or in stock; from the results given select a specific asset which presents the result, of that one asset, in a sub form from which the asset can be amended? Alex On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 13:11:52 Jim Seymour wrote: Hi There, I've researched and experimented with this, and I'm out of ideas. For starters: LibréOffice 3.5.7.2, Build ID: 350m1 (Build: 2) Before anybody suggests a newer version: I'm currently on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), so I'm stuck with it. (Even my much newer Linux Mint desktop install at work is still 3.x, I believe.) I have a database with a couple tables, as in create table hdwr_assets ( atag text primary key, serno text unique, status_id int references hdwr_status, . . . ); -- e.g.: deployed, in stock create table hdwr_status ( status_id serial primary key, descr textnot null, ); The plan was to create a form that could query and alter hardware assets, selecting values for status_id from a drop-down list, the available selection being from the hardware status table. Near as I can tell: The Forms Wizard simply isn't that smart? Interestingly: A Query created in Design View DTRT, wrt FK references, but I can't persuade the Forms Wizard to do so. In fact: FK references in the Forms Wizard appear to be thoroughly broken--at least in the version of LO I have? Is there any way to accomplish what I want, or am I going to have to resort to Real Coding (Java, HTML+PHP+JS or whatever)? Thanks, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibréOffice Base Forms, PostgreSQL (JDBC) and Table Joins
[N.B.: Switching to in-line reply format to eliminate the cruft and because the question stands on its own.] On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:42:44 + Alex Kempshall alexkempsh...@btinternet.com wrote: Jim You stated that you could generate a query to do what you require. Have you based your form on the query? [big snip] Thanks for the follow-up, Alex. (Another Alex. I'm sensing a trend, here ;).) If I understand you correctly: Yes. In fact: I made it far simpler than queries I can easily do ad hoc with the PostgreSQL command-line interface (psql). For example: Here's a VIEW (a VIEW, in Postgresql, is a query that's saved, such that it looks like a table) that employs several LEFT JOINs, the last three of which are simply to get to the hostname(s) associated with a hardware asset: SELECT a.atag, h.hostname, a.owner, s.descr AS status, d.mfgr, d.model, a.comments FROM hdwr_assets a LEFT JOIN hdwr_status s ON s.status_id = a.status_id LEFT JOIN asset_descr d ON d.descr_id = a.descr_id LEFT JOIN mac_addrs m ON m.atag = a.atag LEFT JOIN ip_addrs i ON i.mac_addr = m.mac_addr LEFT JOIN hostnames h ON h.ip_addr::inet = i.ip_addr::inet; Why the indirection/abstraction? Because there can be multiple MAC addrs/asset, multiple IPs/MAC, and multiple hostnames/IP. *That* might be a bit much to expect of a graphical query/form design tool. (Tho it sure would be nice if it was handled.) All I'm trying to do, so far, is a single level of indirection, as it were. (That is also in that query. You can see it in the 's.descr as status and ON status_id bits.) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibréOffice Base Forms, PostgreSQL (JDBC) and Table Joins
Hi There, I've researched and experimented with this, and I'm out of ideas. For starters: LibréOffice 3.5.7.2, Build ID: 350m1 (Build: 2) Before anybody suggests a newer version: I'm currently on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), so I'm stuck with it. (Even my much newer Linux Mint desktop install at work is still 3.x, I believe.) I have a database with a couple tables, as in create table hdwr_assets ( atag text primary key, serno text unique, status_id int references hdwr_status, . . . ); -- e.g.: deployed, in stock create table hdwr_status ( status_id serial primary key, descr textnot null, ); The plan was to create a form that could query and alter hardware assets, selecting values for status_id from a drop-down list, the available selection being from the hardware status table. Near as I can tell: The Forms Wizard simply isn't that smart? Interestingly: A Query created in Design View DTRT, wrt FK references, but I can't persuade the Forms Wizard to do so. In fact: FK references in the Forms Wizard appear to be thoroughly broken--at least in the version of LO I have? Is there any way to accomplish what I want, or am I going to have to resort to Real Coding (Java, HTML+PHP+JS or whatever)? Thanks, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
