Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2014-09-21 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Ram 'Gurumukhi' wrote on 2014-09-21 at 06:29:

I am finding no time to contribute to Libreoffice Community, can you
please remove me from this moderator's list?


of course, I have removed you as moderator of the users list. Thanks for 
your work!


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2014-09-21 Thread Ram 'Gurumukhi'
Hi Florian,

I am finding no time to contribute to Libreoffice Community, can you please
remove me from this moderator's list?

Thanks,
Ram

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-04 13:49:
>
>> i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if
>> i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity.
>>
>
> thanks a lot! I've just made you moderator of the users list. ;-)
> Of course, it's totally fine to check mails even just once a day. There's
> no obligation to read everything in time - sorry if my mail sounded that
> way. I just want to make sure that people moderating the list are also
> actually reading it, that's it. :)
>
> So, welcome on board!
> Florian
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-11 Thread anne-ology
   Beautifully expressed.



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> You 2 have kinda "missed the boat" on that one.  Now you would need to
> convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers
> everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable
> with.  Even in-line posts often freak people out.  If you want to make that
> your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big
> challenge ahead of you.  Alternatively we could just make these lists
> unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Sigrid Carrera 
> >To: e-letter 
> >Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
> >> > Hi Tom,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi :)
> >> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun
> and
> >> be
> >> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!
> >> >>
> >> >[...]
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
> >> "top-post spam: delete"
> >>
> >
> >As a general info:
> >moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the
> >list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without
> >being shown to a moderator.
> >(which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts).
> >
> >But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;)
> >
> >Sigrid
> >
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-10 Thread anne-ology
   Wow, thank you for these kind words;
you're mighty sweet!

   With all the best of wishes for you & yours, now & always,
your friend always,

   BTW - I'm quite curious as to the play you're working on;
I've always been involved in the arts too.



On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

The thing that amuses me is the creative or at least literary geniuses
> we seem to have on this list. Anne I compliment you! Although I don't
> often respond to the list much these days I still make the effort to
> read all threads! I have often considered some aspects of what it is I
> can do and I'm still stuck on the time and involvement, It sucks being
> in the position where you constantly are traveling and unable to
> keep on top of this all!  Anyhow, I'd best be off I've got rehearsals
> to go to! well on that note - Currently using LO to draft a play that a
> youth theatre group will be using as part of the International Festival
> of the Arts!
>
>
>
> Cheerio!
> Ant
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-10 Thread Anthony Easthope
The thing that amuses me is the creative or at least literary geniuses
we seem to have on this list. Anne I compliment you! Although I don't
often respond to the list much these days I still make the effort to
read all threads! I have often considered some aspects of what it is I
can do and I'm still stuck on the time and involvement, It sucks being
in the position where you constantly are traveling and unable to
keep on top of this all!  Anyhow, I'd best be off I've got rehearsals
to go to! well on that note - Currently using LO to draft a play that a
youth theatre group will be using as part of the International Festival
of the Arts!



Cheerio!

Ant



On Fri, 10 May 2013, at 11:56 AM, e-letter wrote:

> On 08/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> > On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:

> >

> >> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:

> >> > Hi Tom,

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Hi :)

> >> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more
fun

> >> >> an

> >> be

> >> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!

> >> >>

> >> >[...]

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please
mark

> >> "top-post spam: delete"

> >>

>

> A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not
to

> discuss the original topic; it worked ;)

>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-10 Thread e-letter
On 08/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi :)
>> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun
>> >> and
>> be
>> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>> >>
>> >[...]
>>
>
>>
>
>> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
>> "top-post spam: delete"
>>

A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not to
discuss the original topic; it worked ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Davies


Hi :)
I like the bits that say 

"... [show rest of quote]"

so that you can click on them to see the rest of the remaining thread if you 
want to.  Of course you can easily read all the comments from top-posters with 
ease.  

Regards from 

Tom :)  



>
> From: V Stuart Foote 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 16:18
>Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>
>Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the 
>end for delivering and exchanging information. 
>
>But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following 
>the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite 
>news reader or email client to do it.
>
>The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this 
>thread for example: 
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html
>
>Stuart 
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread anne-ology
   Jabberwocky
 by Lewis Carroll

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
  Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
  And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
  Long time the manxome foe he sought —
So rested he by the Tumtum tree
  And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
  The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
  And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
  The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
  He went galumphing back.

“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
  Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
  He chortled in his joy.

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
  Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
  And the mome raths outgrabe.



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote:
>
>  All,
>>
>> Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
>> click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
>> message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
>> bottom posting in my compose window.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience...
>>
>
> it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some
> other email clients do the same.
>
> if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one
> degree of inconvenience against another.
>
> I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it
> is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting.
>
> (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.)
>
>
>  Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,
>>
>
> mit herzlichen grüssen!
>
> F.
>
>
>
>> DRIES FEYS
>> CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote:
>>>
>>>
 +1
 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM

>
>
>   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top
> post
> ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom
> post
> ...
>   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new
> bit;
>  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs
> refreshing
> on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.
>
>   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really
> quite
> simple;
>   oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
>   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless
> the
> engine was running  ;-)
>


+2

 ;-)
 Stuart

>>>
>>>
>>> -2 (or however many)
>>>
>>> many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly
>>> meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see
>>> right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading.
>>>
>>> I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at
>>> least
>>> consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Felmon Davis
>>
>>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread anne-ology
   You're so very cute; and very kind; THANK YOU for the glowing
compliments.

   I've a number of pet-peeves, but these crazy electric windows may be
the topper - at least the longest-standing;
   back as a kid, a friend's parent's saved and purchased their
dream car - a Rolls Royce;
  well, when it arrived ... within 2 weeks; the right, rear
window was stuck in the 1/2 open position -
 no mechanic knew why or what to do about it; some freak of
the electronic system  ;-)



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Gosh @anne-ology,
>
> Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off
> standards, I figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right
> justified +1, and a centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply
> enough I'd have made it a +2¢--because I love the car window analogy.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM
> To: V Stuart Foote
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
>
>+2  ???  ;-)
>
>"2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and
> holler!"
>well, my mind wanders  ;-)
>
>

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote

Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the 
end for delivering and exchanging information. 

But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following 
the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite 
news reader or email client to do it.

The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this 
thread for example: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html

Stuart 

From: felmon davis [moelmoel2...@gmail.com] on behalf of Felmon Davis 
[dav...@union.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:04 AM
>On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
>> click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
>> message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
>> bottom posting in my compose window.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience...
>
>it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think
>some other email clients do the same.
>
>if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one
>degree of inconvenience against another.
>
>I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program
>resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting.
>
>(I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.)
>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,
>
>mit herzlichen grüssen!
>
>F.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Felmon Davis

On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote:


All,

Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
bottom posting in my compose window.

Sorry for the inconvenience...


it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think 
some other email clients do the same.


if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one 
degree of inconvenience against another.


I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program 
resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting.


(I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.)


Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,


mit herzlichen grüssen!

F.



DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer


On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote:



+1
From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM



  top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
  one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new
bit;
 one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

  Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
  oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
  then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless
the
engine was running  ;-)



   +2

;-)
Stuart



-2 (or however many)

many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly
meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see
right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading.

I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least
consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking
about.

F.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote
Gosh @anne-ology,

Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I 
figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a 
centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a 
+2¢--because I love the car window analogy.

Stuart



From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM
To: V Stuart Foote
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

   +2  ???  ;-)

   "2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and holler!"
   well, my mind wanders  ;-)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Dries Feys
All,

Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
bottom posting in my compose window.

Sorry for the inconvenience...

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer


On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis  wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote:
>
>>
>> +1
>> From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
>>> ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
>>> ...
>>>   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new
>>> bit;
>>>  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
>>> on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.
>>>
>>>   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
>>> simple;
>>>   oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
>>>   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless
>>> the
>>> engine was running  ;-)
>>
>>
>>+2
>>
>> ;-)
>> Stuart
>
>
> -2 (or however many)
>
> many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly
> meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see
> right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading.
>
> I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least
> consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking
> about.
>
> F.
>
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Felmon Davis

On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote:



   +1
From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM


  top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
  one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
 one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

  Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
  oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
  then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
engine was running  ;-)


   +2

;-)
Stuart


-2 (or however many)

many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of 
nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with 
bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates 
further reading.


I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at 
least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are 
talking about.


F.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread anne-ology
   +2  ???  ;-)

   "2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for *___*, stand up and
holler!"
   well, my mind wanders  ;-)



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:


> +1
> From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM
> >
> >   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
> >... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
> >...
> >   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new
> bit;
> >  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
> >on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.
> >
> >   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
> >simple;
> >   oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
> >   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless
> the
> >engine was running  ;-)
>
> +2
>
> ;-)
> Stuart
>
>

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote

+1
From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM
>
>   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
>... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
>...
>   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
>  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
>on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.
>
>   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
>simple;
>   oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
>   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
>engine was running  ;-)

+2

;-)
Stuart


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread anne-ology
   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
   oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
engine was running  ;-)



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> You 2 have kinda "missed the boat" on that one.  Now you would need to
> convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers
> everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable
> with.  Even in-line posts often freak people out.  If you want to make that
> your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big
> challenge ahead of you.  Alternatively we could just make these lists
> unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Sigrid Carrera 
> >To: e-letter 
> >Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
> >> > Hi Tom,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi :)
> >> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun
> and
> >> be
> >> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!
> >> >>
> >> >[...]
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
> >> "top-post spam: delete"
> >>
> >
> >As a general info:
> >moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the
> >list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without
> >being shown to a moderator.
> >(which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts).
> >
> >But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;)
> >
> >Sigrid
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-08 11:07:


Just checking my first impressions are right.  So, most of the blocked
messages are from people that are not subscribed?  Those fall into 3
main categories
1.  Spam
2.  Junk
3.  Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term "serious" given the
nature of many legitimate posts to this list)

For 1 & 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with
automatically.  It's only the 3rd case that we unblock them.

This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting.


exactly - it's fairly easy. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
You 2 have kinda "missed the boat" on that one.  Now you would need to convince 
all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers everywhere to 
revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable with.  Even 
in-line posts often freak people out.  If you want to make that your mission 
before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big challenge ahead of 
you.  Alternatively we could just make these lists unable to cope with any new 
people and make new people feel very unwelcome.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Sigrid Carrera 
>To: e-letter  
>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>Hi,
>
>
>On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi :)
>> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and
>> be
>> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>> >>
>> >[...]
>>
>
>>
>
>> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
>> "top-post spam: delete"
>>
>
>As a general info:
>moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the
>list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without
>being shown to a moderator.
>(which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts).
>
>But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;)
>
>Sigrid
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I still haven't read the Faq yet.  Hopefully i might get started on all this 
over the weekend.  


Just checking my first impressions are right.  So, most of the blocked messages 
are from people that are not subscribed?  Those fall into 3 main categories
1.  Spam

2.  Junk
3.  Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term "serious" given the nature of 
many legitimate posts to this list)

For 1 & 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with automatically.  
It's only the  3rd case that  we unblock them.  


This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting.  The only issues might be 
the volume of traffic, how we co-ordinate on the "moderators" mailing list and 
how complex the unblocking process is.  

Regards from 

Tom :)  





>
> From: Cor Nouws 
>
>
>
>
> in principle each does the same: look if a mail to the list, from 
>some address not subscribed, if spam, junk, or a serious post. And in 
>the latter case only, make sure that it reaches the list.
>
>>         With all due thanks,
>
>You're welcome.
>Cheers
>
>Cor
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Moderation in this case means unblocking messages that have been automatically 
blocked.  It's quite the opposite of the normal meaning i think.  Quite a lot 
of people are needed.  

So far the only ones i have seen were blocked due to the person not subscribing 
to the list before posting.  It should be fairly easy to 
1.  copy&paste a standard message back to them to ask them to subscribe
2.  Unblock the message so that it does get to the list.  
3.  Move on to next message.  

It may help to be intelligent enough and have good enough understanding of 
English in order to spot and maybe solve problems but so far we haven't seen 
any of that.  Well, except one post was in non-English.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: James Knott 
>To: LibreOffice  
>Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 2:59
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>anne-ology wrote:
>>         Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for
>> this list? -
>>            how many are needed or does each do some specific job?
>>
>
>
>Everything in moderation, including moderation.  ;-)
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Joel Madero wrote on 2013-05-08 01:47:

If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd
open it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with
them but moderation will be needed.


the QA list is outside my scope - I don't even have administrative 
access here, so it was not included in the call for moderators. Of 
course, if you can configure the list, feel free to start such a call. :-)


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi,


On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter  wrote:

> On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> > On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi :)
> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and
> be
> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!
> >>
> >[...]
>

>

> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
> "top-post spam: delete"
>

As a general info:
moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the
list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without
being shown to a moderator.
(which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts).

But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;)

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread e-letter
On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
>
> On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be
>> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>>
>
> That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for
> someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from
> a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive.
>

Agreed.

>
>>
>>
>> You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a
>> bit longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts
>> that do get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
>> going to need a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it
>> would
>> be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
>> Users List!
>>
>
> How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be
> a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure)
> but not for the users list?
>
>

If you look at a random selection of typical "replies", this is a
common occurrence.

>>
>>
>> On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
>> would be perfect for this list
>>
>
> What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and
> understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not)
> perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do
> with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email
> from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email
> is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is).
>
>

Agreed; both these writers often publish gibberish. With such
moderation, spam is likely to increase ;)

> Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We
> do need more moderators on the different lists...
>

Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? ;) Please mark
"top-post spam: delete"

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread James Knott

anne-ology wrote:

Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for
this list? -
   how many are needed or does each do some specific job?




Everything in moderation, including moderation.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   I'm curious re. this as well;
my curiosity is growing  ;-)



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:

Which mailing lists are we looking at. QA mailing list needs a couple
> moderators as well as our admin left the project recently. He passed on
> duties to me but to be quite honest I  simply don't have the time and
> haven't even looked at the admin priv. since he passed them along last week.
>
> If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd open
> it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with them
> but moderation will be needed.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Joel
>
> --
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> LibreOffice QA Volunteer
> jmadero@gmail.com
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread Joel Madero
Which mailing lists are we looking at. QA mailing list needs a couple
moderators as well as our admin left the project recently. He passed on
duties to me but to be quite honest I  simply don't have the time and
haven't even looked at the admin priv. since he passed them along last week.

If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd open
it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with them
but moderation will be needed.


Best Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread Cor Nouws

anne-ology wrote (08-05-13 01:03)


Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for
this list? -


Including you, there are 8 moderators now.


   how many are needed or does each do some specific job?


No specific numbers for that.
And in principle each does the same: look if a mail to the list, from 
some address not subscribed, if spam, junk, or a serious post. And in 
the letter case only, make sure that it reaches the list.



With all due thanks,


You're welcome.
Cheers

Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-07 21:24:

sounds like something I could do for this list.


thank you very much for volunteering! I have just added you as 
moderator. :-)


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   sounds good.

   Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for
this list? -
  how many are needed or does each do some specific job?

   With all due thanks,
  yet also filled with curiosity,



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Hello,
>
> anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-07 21:24:
>
>  sounds like something I could do for this list.
>>
>
> thank you very much for volunteering! I have just added you as moderator.
> :-)
>
> Florian
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   Thank you for these very kind words; I feel quite honored.



On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> Anne is;
> 1.   familiar with the list so she knows the volume of traffic to expect
> 2.   able to keep up with the traffic very well
>
> 3.   seems to enjoy being here
> 4.   probably ready to take on new challenges
>
> Vaishnav is a recent arrival who looks like being well on his way to the
> devs list.  Being a moderator there might help him become more familiar
> with some of the issues there.  if the devs list doesn't need moderating
> then i apologise for not realising it's treated so differently from all the
> other lists.
>
> I am sure we have all been new and keen at projects and then rapidly
> realised we've taken on too much and had to back out and then felt guilty
> about that or felt like never having anything to do with them ever again.
> Some call it "burn out".  From what i have seen so far i'd like to see
> Vaishnav stick around a long while and not suffer burn out too quickly.
> There are factors he might not be aware of and it felt unfair to expect him
> to jump in without knowing things we thoroughly grok through having been
> here more than a day.
>
>
> Not all of us here can write code or do a patch.  The closest we get is
> writing macros and even that is waaay beyond most of us.  Should we
> encourage him to build on his talents and mix with like-minded people or
> chain him down here with commitments to this list?
>
>
> It's up to him of course
>
> Regards from
>
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Sigrid Carrera 
> >To: Tom Davies 
> >Cc: RD Vaishnav ; "flo...@documentfoundation.org"
> ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
> users@global.libreoffice.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 19:35
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
> >
> >Hi :)
> >>That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and
> be more useful in other areas of the project!!
> >>
> >
> >
> >That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide
> for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone
> from a job that he's willing to take on, is counter-productive.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for
> a bit longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts
> that do get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
> going to need a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it would
> be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
> Users List!
> >>
> >
> >
> >How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would
> be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our
> infrastructure) but not for the users list?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
> would be perfect for this list
> >>
> >
> >
> >What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading
> (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is
> not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to
> do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email
> from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email
> is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We
> do need more moderators on the different lists...
> >
> >
> >Sigrid
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   ouch  ;-)

   which reminds me of Rudyard Kipling's words, "East is East, and West
is West, and never the twain shall meet"

   BTW - my sincerest apologies to any of you to whom I must have
offended;
   that has never been my intention,



On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi Tom,
>
>
> On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and
> be
> > more useful in other areas of the project!!
> >
>
> That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for
> someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from
> a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive.
>
>
> >
> >
> > You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a
> > bit longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts
> > that do get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
> > going to need a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it
> would
> > be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
> > Users List!
> >
>
> How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be
> a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure)
> but not for the users list?
>
>
> >
> >
> > On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
> > would be perfect for this list
> >
>
> What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and
> understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not)
> perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do
> with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email
> from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email
> is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is).
>
>
> Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We
> do need more moderators on the different lists...
>
> Sigrid
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   Wow, thanks for the commendation;
   I would be delighted to be of service in this manner.



On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be
> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>
>
> You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a
> bit longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts
> that do get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
> going to need a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it would
> be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
> Users List!
>
>
> On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
> would be perfect for this list
>
> Many regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: RD Vaishnav 
> >To: flo...@documentfoundation.org
> >Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 12:49
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> >
> >
> >i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i
> >check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity.
> >
> >
> >On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger <
> >flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate
> this
> >> mailing list.
> >>
> >> If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed
> to
> >> the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but
> that's
> >> about it.
> >>
> >> Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it
> to
> >> the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens
> either
> >> when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member
> >> uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone
> >> unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but
> in
> >> fact it's a public list.
> >>
> >> You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then
> can
> >> either "moderate through", or reject.
> >>
> >> Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated -
> >> just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the
> >> list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Florian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >--
> >: Ram Dayal Vaishnav "Gurumukhi"
> >  NIT Trichy
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-07 Thread anne-ology
   sounds like something I could do for this list.



On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Hello,
>
> at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this
> mailing list.
>
> If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to
> the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's
> about it.
>
> Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to
> the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either
> when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member
> uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone
> unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in
> fact it's a public list.
>
> You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can
> either "moderate through", or reject.
>
> Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated -
> just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the
> list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators.
>
> Thanks!
> Florian
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-06 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello Tom,

Thomas Taylor wrote on 2013-05-06 00:46:


I would be interested in assisting with this lists' moderation.  I'm
bound to a wheelchair and have several health problems.  I need
hemo-dialysis three days per week for at least four hours per session
and wifi access is provided so I would be able to use that time and
most mornings and evenings.  Afternoons are very iffy as I have lots of
doctor appointments which I try to limit to those times.


I am really touched by your e-mail and your generosity, and would like 
to thank you personally for your support and encouraging example - I am 
really, really touched by the fact that, despite your own issues, you 
would like to support us in this way.


I have added you as a moderator of this mailing list, but I really would 
like to let you know that you should not feel any obligation at all. 
Your own health is the most important good, so please don't feel pushed 
in any way.


Again, thank you very much, and all the best for you personally!
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-06 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-05 23:01:


That all sounds wise.  A trial run after exams.  Well, after celebrating
after exams.


good luck with these!


I would quite like to be 1 of the moderators here but ideally
1.  if there are plenty of other people to cover it too.  Most of the
posts seem to be when i am afk or even off-line completely
2.  just for a trial period in case people aren't happy with the way i
do it or in case i become unhappy with it.

So, please make me a moderator of the Users List and lets see how it goes.


Thanks for volunteering - I have just made you a moderator! :)

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-06 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-04 13:49:

i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if
i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity.


thanks a lot! I've just made you moderator of the users list. ;-)
Of course, it's totally fine to check mails even just once a day. 
There's no obligation to read everything in time - sorry if my mail 
sounded that way. I just want to make sure that people moderating the 
list are also actually reading it, that's it. :)


So, welcome on board!
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-05 Thread Thomas Taylor
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On Sat, 04 May 2013 13:32:43 +0200
Florian Effenberger  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate 
> this mailing list.
> 
> If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are
> subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow
> timely manner, but that's about it.
> 
> Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make
> it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This
> happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when
> a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs
> when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a
> private account, but in fact it's a public list.
> 
> You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then 
> can either "moderate through", or reject.
> 
> Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much
> appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly,
> and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of
> moderators.
> 
> Thanks!
> Florian
> 

Hi Florian,
I would be interested in assisting with this lists' moderation.  I'm
bound to a wheelchair and have several health problems.  I need
hemo-dialysis three days per week for at least four hours per session
and wifi access is provided so I would be able to use that time and
most mornings and evenings.  Afternoons are very iffy as I have lots of
doctor appointments which I try to limit to those times.

Thanks, Tom Taylor KG7CFC

-- 
I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered.  But I was not
pleased to read the description in the catalog: - "No good in a bed, but
fine against a wall."- Eleanor Roosevelt


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
That all sounds wise.  A trial run after exams.  Well, after celebrating after 
exams.  

I would quite like to be 1 of the moderators here but ideally 

1.  if there are plenty of other people to cover it too.  Most of the posts 
seem to be when i am afk or even off-line completely

2.  just for a trial period in case people aren't happy with the way i do it or 
in case i become unhappy with it.  


So, please make me a moderator of the Users List and lets see how it goes.  

Regards from 

Tom :)  






>
> From: Florian Effenberger 
>To: RD Vaishnav  
>Cc: Tom Davies ; Sigrid Carrera 
>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 10:01
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>Hello,
>
>RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-05 09:41:
>> Hi all, I am just new here so i am not that much familiar with anything
>> basically, so to have a kick start I can take any responsibility. I will
>> prefer development kind of work, but list moderating is also fine for
>> me. The only thing is I may take some time to understand things fully.
>> If this job requires sound knowledge of this mailing list system etc
>> then i wont be right person.
>> And one more thing, i have my exams next week, so for around 10 days i
>> wont be available fully. Kindly consider all these things and guide me.
>
>no worries, your exams have first priority, of course!
>Let's do the following: When your exams are over, and you have some time 
>again, send me an email directly, and I will add you as moderator - and 
>then you see if this fits for you. Ok?
>
>Good luck with your exams!
>
>Florian
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-05 Thread RD Vaishnav
Hi all, I am just new here so i am not that much familiar with anything
basically, so to have a kick start I can take any responsibility. I will
prefer development kind of work, but list moderating is also fine for me.
The only thing is I may take some time to understand things fully. If this
job requires sound knowledge of this mailing list system etc then i wont be
right person.
And one more thing, i have my exams next week, so for around 10 days i wont
be available fully. Kindly consider all these things and guide me.


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> let's not discourage people from contributing. If anyone, even people new
> to the project, would like to look at the moderator's "job" - why not?
>
> We're open, and everyone can and will find out the best place to
> contribute, and that might be moderation.
>
> It's appreciated if we give people advice, but let them find out
> themselves what they want - that's the best for everyone, I think.
>
> Florian
>



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  NIT Trichy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Anne is;
1.   familiar with the list so she knows the volume of traffic to expect
2.   able to keep up with the traffic very well

3.   seems to enjoy being here
4.   probably ready to take on new challenges

Vaishnav is a recent arrival who looks like being well on his way to the devs 
list.  Being a moderator there might help him become more familiar with some of 
the issues there.  if the devs list doesn't need moderating then i apologise 
for not realising it's treated so differently from all the other lists.  

I am sure we have all been new and keen at projects and then rapidly realised 
we've taken on too much and had to back out and then felt guilty about that or 
felt like never having anything to do with them ever again.  Some call it "burn 
out".  From what i have seen so far i'd like to see Vaishnav stick around a 
long while and not suffer burn out too quickly.  There are factors he might not 
be aware of and it felt unfair to expect him to jump in without knowing things 
we thoroughly grok through having been here more than a day.  


Not all of us here can write code or do a patch.  The closest we get is writing 
macros and even that is waaay beyond most of us.  Should we encourage him to 
build on his talents and mix with like-minded people or chain him down here 
with commitments to this list?  


It's up to him of course 

Regards from 

Tom :)







>
> From: Sigrid Carrera 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: RD Vaishnav ; "flo...@documentfoundation.org" 
>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 19:35
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>
>Hi Tom, 
>
>
>
>
>On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>Hi :)
>>That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be 
>>more useful in other areas of the project!! 
>>
>
>
>That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for 
>someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a 
>job that he's willing to take on, is counter-productive. 
> 
>
>>
>>You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit 
>>longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts that do 
>>get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need 
>>a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it would be better if 
>>you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! 
>>
>
>
>How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a 
>good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but 
>not for the users list? 
> 
>
>>
>>On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would 
>>be perfect for this list
>>
>
>
>What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and 
>understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) 
>perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with 
>moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from 
>someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam 
>or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). 
>
>
>
>
>Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do 
>need more moderators on the different lists... 
>
>
>Sigrid
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-04 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Tom,


On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be
> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>

That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for
someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from
a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive.


>
>
> You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a
> bit longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts
> that do get to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
> going to need a LOT of people.  For the project as a whole i think it would
> be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
> Users List!
>

How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be
a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure)
but not for the users list?


>
>
> On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
> would be perfect for this list
>

What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and
understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not)
perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do
with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email
from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email
is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is).


Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We
do need more moderators on the different lists...

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more 
useful in other areas of the project!!  


You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit 
longer.  Perhaps just become  more familiar with the types of posts that do get 
to this list.  It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT 
of people.  For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could 
be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List!  


On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be 
perfect for this list

Many regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: RD Vaishnav 
>To: flo...@documentfoundation.org 
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 12:49
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
> 
>
>i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i
>check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity.
>
>
>On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger <
>flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to
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>> about it.
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated -
>> just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the
>> list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Florian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-04 Thread RD Vaishnav
i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i
check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity.


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this
> mailing list.
>
> If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to
> the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's
> about it.
>
> Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to
> the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either
> when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member
> uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone
> unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in
> fact it's a public list.
>
> You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can
> either "moderate through", or reject.
>
> Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated -
> just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the
> list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators.
>
> Thanks!
> Florian
>
> --
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> users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.org
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> deleted
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