Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-18 Thread tk
James E Lang wrote: I really wish there were a LO Calc implementation for Android to use in place of Kingsoft Office. I don't feel secure using a proprietary office product; especially one from China. There is AndroidOpenOffice. Whilst closed source, it is based upon Apache Open Office, to the

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-18 Thread James Knott
tk wrote: There is AndroidOpenOffice. I tried that a while ago, on my Nexus 7, and it didn't work very well. I uninstalled it. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-18 Thread tk
James Knott wrote: There is AndroidOpenOffice. I tried that a while ago, on my Nexus 7, and it didn't work very well. It is very inconsistent in how well it works. The updates, bug-fixes, etc. can either be much better, or much worse than the previous version. For the most part,

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-17 Thread James E Lang
--8=== Le Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:22:32 +, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : Hi :) My thought is that we need to promote 1. LibreOffice first 2. other programs that can use the format as their native format 3. the format 4. the community 5. the fact that even

Re: Sponsors and supporters of TDF and LO, was: Fwd: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Heh... good catch Steve :-) Best, Charles. Le Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:08:29 +1300, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com a écrit : Hi. A search of the list for sender fsf.org will give you a hit. Steve On 2013-12-03 02:18, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Tom, I'm not asking you to snitch,

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:09:57 +, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi :) I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be TDF! IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name in office desktops. Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be

Sponsors and supporters of TDF and LO, was: Fwd: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) It feels like a lot of the sponsors and supporters of TDF (or anything else for that matter) do a lot of work at such a high level or so far outside of the immediate organisation that very few people inside the organisation really realise they are involved at all. On these LibreOffice

Re: Sponsors and supporters of TDF and LO, was: Fwd: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:21:08 +, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi :) It feels like a lot of the sponsors and supporters of TDF (or anything else for that matter) do a lot of work at such a high level or so far outside of the immediate organisation that very few people inside the

Re: Sponsors and supporters of TDF and LO, was: Fwd: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Tom, I'm not asking you to snitch, all this is public record. I just believe that no one from the FSF is contributing to LibreOffice under this specific affiliation, but I may be wrong. As for Red Hat, Canonical et al: they're officially involved in the development of LibreOffice and are

Re: Sponsors and supporters of TDF and LO, was: Fwd: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Edmonds
Hi. A search of the list for sender fsf.org will give you a hit. Steve On 2013-12-03 02:18, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Tom, I'm not asking you to snitch, all this is public record. I just believe that no one from the FSF is contributing to LibreOffice under this specific affiliation, but I may

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:38:12 AM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: So Marco's personal beef with continuing to promote the software ahead of the format kinda misses the point that we never really put any effort into promoting the program. Any such effort used to be severely hampered by

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Marco, Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:54:27 +0100, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net a écrit : On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:38:12 AM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: So Marco's personal beef with continuing to promote the software ahead of the format kinda misses the point that we never really

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 14:14:50 PM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: as you know there was a time when the ecosystem was much stronger and unified to promote ODF. Today, things are very different: - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why probably needs a whitepaper) so

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:11:03 +0100, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net a écrit : On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 14:14:50 PM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: as you know there was a time when the ecosystem was much stronger and unified to promote ODF. Today, things are very different: - the ODF

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Tinkerer
LibreOffice as a BRAND is growing stronger every day. It is easily recognized once it has been introduced. When the name was chosen it must have been uppermost in the TDF mindset that they were creating a brand.. Promoting the Brand is surely what matters to all who want to see LibreOffice

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 01/12/13 14:14, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Today, things are very different: - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why probably needs a whitepaper) Unfortunately, the largest company in the ecosystem is now focused on other objectives, and has been instrumental in splitting

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-12-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be TDF! IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name in office desktops. Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be dead or perhaps just very out-of-date. Perhaps people from TDF could get

Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) My thought is that we need to promote 1. LibreOffice first 2. other programs that can use the format as their native format 3. the format 4. the community 5. the fact that even MS Office's most recent versions can read/write the format too now 6. ethical issues In roughly that order.

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello everyone, Le Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:22:32 +, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : Hi :) My thought is that we need to promote 1. LibreOffice first 2. other programs that can use the format as their native format 3. the format 4. the community 5. the fact that even MS

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Zeki Bildirici
Hi, This topic may go deeper but i would loke to say that we are not a company product. It's freesoftware. I have been in freesoftware communities for 7 years and the following basic principle is always working: Good community leads to good software. Good community with a good software leads to

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) The main points i was making are that 1. It has NOT been 13 years of failure due to marketing the software. Most of that time the marketing (in the US and England) has been minimal or non-existant. Under TDF that changed. So it's only really valid to talk about the last 3 years rather

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Paolo Debortoli
about formats.  for european users, they should know that the european law imposes the usage of the same data sructures and formats for every public administration in the continent. they concluded that the only one solution is using open formats. worth noting that ms adopted a kind of xml data

Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office

2013-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) As far as i know there are 2 projects producing multi-platform installers on Dvd but only English and German languages https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ I'm fairly sure there must be ones in other languages. I can't believe Brasil hasn't got one (for example)! A little earlier in the