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Re: clock applet not showing weather

2023-11-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Tim:

I am running Centos 7 and at some point I noticed that weather info 
vanished. I just ran journalctl and can see the same message.


Paul

On 11/15/23 21:28, Tim via users wrote:

Lately, across several different Linux installs the MATE's clock applet
that shows the time and date on the title bar has been unable to show
the local weather.

Looking in the journal I see lots of this, which I presume is related:


   clock-applet[9632]: Failed to get METAR data: 308 Permanent Redirect.


It still does that even if I switch off the options to show temperature
and weather.  Something I consider quite odd.

Does anybody else see the same thing?

Not knowing the URL that the thing uses, I can't manually have a look
at it to see what's happening.


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Re: Something keeps creating Events.json in my home directory

2022-11-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 11/20/22 20:17, Jerry James wrote:

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:12 AM Matti Pulkkinen  wrote:

Something keeps creating a file, Events.json, in my home directory. It
only ever contains an empty JSON array, but if I remove the file,
something just creates it again. Has anyone seen this before? What
program could be behind this? This only started happening after I
installed Fedora 37 Workstation, and never happened to me before on
Fedora 36.

If you can't figure this out otherwise, here's a heavyweight solution.
Install the systemtap package.  Run "sudo stap-prep".  Put this in a
file named, say, events.stp, and replace "" with your actual
username:

```
probe vfs.open
{
   if (pathname == "/home//events.json")
 printf("events.json created by %s (pid %d, uid %d)\n", execname(),
pid(), uid())
}
```

That's crude, because it doesn't check that the file is opened in
create mode, but it will do for your case.  Delete events.json, then
run "sudo stap events.stp".  Come back later and see if it has printed
anything.  If I run "touch events.json" in another shell, for example,
it prints:

events.json created by touch (pid 39957, uid 1000)

Press Ctrl-C to exit from stap when you are done.


Jerry:

Can you give a bit more info on this. Where does "events.stp" need to 
live and is the material in your ''' all that needs to be in the file 
(the use of ''' implies there is something else either before and/or after


Thanks
Paul

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Re: movie screen shot?

2022-01-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell


T:

I was recommended vokoscreen and, though it took a bit of work to figure 
it out, has been able to do entire screen or any window on screen. Not 
certain if it supports random area of screen


Paul

On 1/2/22 23:32, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I need to send a tech support guy a movie of what
is happening and what I am doing with their program.
Is there a way to make a movie of an area on my
screen?

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

2021-03-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 3/13/21 4:52 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 15:28 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:


I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it 
worked.



Paul,

If by DVD-R DL you mean "dual layer", that's an 8.5GB media. I just 
tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB blank disk. In the Burn 
Medium block it says "Capacity of the medium in ThinkPad Ultraslim DVD 
(/dev/sr0) is smaller than required".


--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


Doc:

Not certain what to say. I go to one of the mirrors and pretend to 
download Centos-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso and the size is listed as 
4712300544 bytes or @4.7 gigs. Its that "little bit over" the 4.7 stated 
capacity of the Verbatim DVD-R that requires the DVDV-R DL.


I also checked my DVDs and see that the last install I did was from 
Centos 7.8.2003 and not 7.9.2009, apologies for not checking before.


I saved the ISO download on a archive hard drive and here are the sizes 
of the Download:

[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ lf
CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso  sha256sum_expected.txt
HOW_TO_SHA256SUM.txt  sha256sum_gotten.txt
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ lall CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
-rw-rw-r--. 1 paul paul 4781506560 Oct 29 14:39 CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ du -sH -BM CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
4561M    CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ du -sH -BG CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
5G    CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$

Your email says you "I just tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB 
blank disk". I think you will have to get a DVD-R DL


Best,
Paul




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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 18:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:

Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote:

Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
blank disk isn't big enough.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


Terry,

The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is
anyone who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero
won't do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly
too large?

In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.


I've been there, but was never offered a T-shirt.  If my imperfect 
memory serves, the solution was Netboot.


--
George N. White III




I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it worked.


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Re: OT: simplest way to display on-screen blinking colored indicator

2020-04-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 4/18/20 5:44 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:51:22 -0700 Paul Allen Newell  
wrote:


On 4/17/20 5:53 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

So, I was able to hack out a python script [...]

Ranjan:

Thank you for the script .. with modifications I have it running under
python3

Paul

Thanks, Paul, and no problem. This is a place for sharing. I am just curious: 
what modifications did you need? Mine works with python3 (on F31).

Ranjan
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Ranjan:

I misphrased my statement about those modifications. It wasn't to get it 
running on python3 per se. It was to give it more flexibility.


I added the following snippet inside the loop so I can run the script 
(or any script using pygame) in a non-interactive fashion so the "X" for 
"Close Window" in the menubar of the screen works (needed to make 
"(width, height) = (80, 80)" to see that "X"):


[...]
while running:
    if (event.type == pygame.QUIT):
    running = False
[...]

and added this at the end for when we exit the loop:

[...]
pygame.quit()
sys.exit (0)
[...]

I also added an "import os" and the following code before 
"pygame.init()" to allow me to position the screen


[...]
(xpos, ypos) = (100, 100)
os.environ['SDL_VIDEO_WINDOW_POS'] = "%d,%d" % (xpos, ypos)
pygame.init()
[...]

Paul


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Re: OT: simplest way to display on-screen blinking colored indicator

2020-04-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 4/17/20 5:53 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

So, I was able to hack out a python script [...]


Ranjan:

Thank you for the script .. with modifications I have it running under 
python3


Paul
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Re: sudo related

2020-03-31 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 3/30/20 10:40 PM, David wrote:


On the virus-front,



Regarding your non-Fedora "On the virus front"

Repulsive beyond belief and, more to the point, having nothing to do 
with Fedora or any flavor on Linux


Shame
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Re: CUPS forcing single-sided printing

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Tim:

I am running Centos 7 and have weirdness with my HP printer. My original 
printer, which worked single and double sided perfectly with the 
pre-installed hplip, died and I had to get a new printer whose driver 
was unknown to hplip on Centos 7. I am away from my system so I have to 
rely on memory that I was on 3.15.9 and had to go to 3.18.5. When I did 
the setup, it would not let me configure to do double-sided even though 
the printer is capable of such (HP ENVY 7855 if my memory is correct). 
But I could tell Firefox and Thunderbird that I wanted double-sided in 
the setup. It gives warning but it works. The odd thing is that it will 
always print double-sided even if the number of pages is only one. Its a 
blank side, but I have to wait for side one to dry and then go back 
through the printer which is wear on the doubled-side mechanism in the 
hp printer)


This is a different problem than yours (I think) but I thought I would 
mention it as it is similar regarding issues with single vs double. 
Maybe things will be better behaved on Centos 8 and whatever hplip wt al 
it ships with (and, hence, tested against)


Paul

On 10/9/19 2:26 PM, Tim via users wrote:

Hi,

I have a LAN using CentOS and Fedora installations (currently its
CentOS 7 on the server).  At times it insists on doing double-sided
printing, and will not let me choose single-side.  Erratically the
option is either unavailable (the drop down menu is not clickable, and
says "not available"); or when the option is responding, my selection
is ignored; and some days it works properly.  The printer is a HP
LaserJet P3015.  I get this erratic behaviour on any of the PCs, and it
used to do this, too, when the server was previously a Fedora install.

Anybody have any clues?
  

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Re: Disable Caps Lock -

2019-06-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 6/29/19 9:54 PM, Tim via users wrote:

Tim:

There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when the
caps lock was pressed.  At least you got an early warning, that
way, if you accidentally pressed it.


Paul Allen Newell

Would be nice to know what that "beep" function was/is rather than
using xmodmap.

Just poking around my system, which is using the MATE desktop.  If I
open the Keyboard Preferences, there's a tab for Accessibility, and
button for Audio Feedback, which offers some features even when the
other assisitive technologies stuff is off.

In there is a "Beep when a toggle key is pressed" option, triggered by
(caps lock, num lock, etc).

I suspect this is an old Gnome / MATE feature, but it might not be.


Tim:

Many thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the opSys I am on doesn't have 
the "audio feedback". And, yes, I am on MATE.


I cower owing to the anticipated reaction when I admit that I gave up on 
Fedora  "in its late tweens" and am now running Centos 7. But the 
feedback mechanism in Centos is very poor compared to the Fedora lists 
so I always hope I can learn from Fedora users to figure out Centos problems


Best,
Paul
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Re: Disable Caps Lock -

2019-06-29 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 6/28/19 5:15 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 16:46 -0700, stan via users wrote:

I find myself missing the tab key and hitting the caps lock key
pretty regularly

There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when the caps
lock was pressed.  At least you got an early warning, that way, if you
accidentally pressed it.


Would be nice to know what that "beep" function was/is rather than using 
xmodmap. I can't see an option to restore defaults in xmodmap which 
means if I try any of this and make a mistake using "xmodmap -e 'keycode 
66=NoSymbol'", I don't have a way to recover. Hopefully someone can show 
me what I am missing as disabling Caps Lock with would be a serious 
improvement in quality of keyboard use.

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Re: I need a data and time clock for my desktop

2018-11-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/09/2018 09:39 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 11/9/18 9:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 11/09/2018 08:35 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I need a data and time clock for my desktop.  Duck Duck go
inundates me with command line options.

-T


You might try TzClock.  I've found it satisfactory for several years 
now.


I could not figure out how to make it digital.

:'(

Everything I see online about TzClock indicates it isn't a digital clock 
and doesn't want to be one

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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/07/2018 04:20 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 11/7/18 4:06 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 11/07/2018 03:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 11/8/18 6:52 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 11/07/2018 01:52 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

This is the dismount part of my script:

   sync; sync
   umount $StickTarget



Calling sync twice?

Must be an "old" person.  It was common practice back in the early
1980's to call sync
twice before shutdown on Solaris.
Don't ask me why.  I was just "done that way".


Okay. I remember enough "don't ask, just do it this way" techniques from
old days that I am certainly prepared to buy this one

Again, I believe it was to ensure any background tasks writing to
system volumes were "done". The typical command was

sync;sync;shutdown -h now

or (if you're as ancient as I am)

sync;sync;init 0
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Thread hopelessly out-of-sync on my end so I apologize if replies come 
out of order (do not understand what the cause is but am suspecting at 
least part of it is on my end)


Given that I have the same "ancient issue", I am surprised I don't 
remember this one as I searched online and there are a bunch of 
references to it. But I do have a memory of having to do song-and-dance 
regarding shutting down ... jsut can't remember the eact song or dance


Paul
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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell

On 11/07/2018 05:08 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 8:03 PM Paul Allen Newell 
mailto:pnewell0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 11/07/2018 03:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 11/8/18 6:52 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>>
>> On 11/07/2018 01:52 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>>
>>> This is the dismount part of my script:
>>>
>>>   sync; sync
>>>   umount $StickTarget
>>>
>>>
>> Calling sync twice?
> Must be an "old" person.  It was common practice back in the
early 1980's to call sync
> twice before shutdown on Solaris.
> Don't ask me why.  I was just "done that way".
>

Okay. I remember enough "don't ask, just do it this way"
techniques from
old days that I am certainly prepared to buy this one

old brain remembers ... sync; sync; sync;

Supposedly,
#1 for the data blocks,
#2 to ensure the updated inodes got written,
#3 to ensure that superblock updates got written (if necessary).

Does this turn into "I'll see your three syncs and raise you a fourth"?

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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/07/2018 03:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 11/8/18 6:52 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 11/07/2018 01:52 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


This is the dismount part of my script:

  sync; sync
  umount $StickTarget



Calling sync twice?

Must be an "old" person.  It was common practice back in the early 1980's to 
call sync
twice before shutdown on Solaris.
Don't ask me why.  I was just "done that way".



Okay. I remember enough "don't ask, just do it this way" techniques from 
old days that I am certainly prepared to buy this one

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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/07/2018 01:52 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:



This is the dismount part of my script:

 sync; sync
 umount $StickTarget




Calling sync twice?
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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/06/2018 01:05 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 11/6/18 12:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell

wrote:


Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
options I just figured there weren't any.

Paul


The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man
page also
points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are
readily
visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.


I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ...
as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.

No worries. Just was curious. What was the system you checked on that
DIDN'T list the options? In my last email I showed seven systems, and
only CentOS 7 didn't list them.
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Rick:

This thread is hopelessly out-of-sync on my machine as this 1:05pm 
didn't arrive until 1:58pm and I sent a reply to your original at 1:24pm 
saying that "and wouldn't ya know it that I am running Centos 7 ..."


Paul


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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/06/2018 11:46 AM, George Avrunin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:07:22 -0800, Paul Allen Newell 
wrote:



Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no
options I just figured there weren't any.

Paul



The link to the coreutils documentation gives more detail. (The man page also
points to that.)  I'm not sure why you don't think the options are readily
visible, unless you're working on non-Fedora (or even non-Linux) systems.



I was using Google to search for Linux (all flavors) documentation ... 
as I said I realize that I should have dug deeper. Apologies.

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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 11/06/2018 09:56 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 11/5/18 10:03 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

ToddAndMargo:

I am struggling with this one as well. To the best of my googling, it
seems that the "sync" command needs to be done before clicking "safely
remove" (or whatever). Documentation also says that "sudo umount
" should do it, but I have experienced at least one instance
where it didn't seem like it worked ... not certain what happened.

I am still testing but I "think" I am seeing that doing a "safely
remove" and then a sync before physically removing gives best result (as
in no pop-up warning). Do not understand why this is.

Not happy that the led light is vanishing on newer sticks ...

The "sync" command does not appear to be all that nice to the stick and
there doesn't appear to be any way to isolate the "sync" to the stick.

If you issue the sync command, give it a "-f" and specify a file on that
stick (perhaps the root of the filesystem):

sync -f /flash/mountpoint/

then it should only sync the filesystem on /flash/mountpoint.


I would hope that someone on this user-list who is more knowledgeable
will correct me with a better way.

That's the best I can offer. Remember that USB and FLASH are a lot
slower than IDE/SATA/SAS stuff.


On 11/05/2018 09:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I am starting to use flash drive s with no led activity indicator.
In my scripts that write to them, I am able to umount then watch
the blinking lights to make sure it is done before removing them

But with no led indicator, how can I test from my script to
make sure it is done writing?

As far as I know, there's no way to reliably tell if everything has
been flushed to the media. The sync command above shouldn't return until
it's complete, so if you include it in your script, you should be OK.
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Rick:

Thanks for reply. I went through a bunch on man pages that do not list 
the -f option. After getting your email, I went looking for a bunch more 
and finally found one that had the -f and -d option.


I note that 'sync --help' only provides 'Usage: sync [OPTION]' without 
listing what the options are. I have just followed their suggestion of 
running "info coreutils 'sync invocation'" which gives alot of options.


Not certain why these options are more readily visible. I probably 
should have dug deeper but after a bunch of online docs showing no 
options I just figured there weren't any.


Paul
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Re: Sticks with not lights

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Allen Newell


ToddAndMargo:

I am struggling with this one as well. To the best of my googling, it 
seems that the "sync" command needs to be done before clicking "safely 
remove" (or whatever). Documentation also says that "sudo umount 
" should do it, but I have experienced at least one instance 
where it didn't seem like it worked ... not certain what happened.


I am still testing but I "think" I am seeing that doing a "safely 
remove" and then a sync before physically removing gives best result (as 
in no pop-up warning). Do not understand why this is.


Not happy that the led light is vanishing on newer sticks ...

The "sync" command does not appear to be all that nice to the stick and 
there doesn't appear to be any way to isolate the "sync" to the stick.


I would hope that someone on this user-list who is more knowledgeable 
will correct me with a better way.


Best,
Paul

On 11/05/2018 09:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I am starting to use flash drive s with no led activity indicator.
In my scripts that write to them, I am able to umount then watch
the blinking lights to make sure it is done before removing them

But with no led indicator, how can I test from my script to
make sure it is done writing?


Many thanks,
-T


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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

2018-10-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 10/30/2018 09:44 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/30/2018 08:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
(RHEL), CentOS, and Fedora remain open source/free software after 
IBM buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed 
until sometime in 2019.




+1 (or should it be +3 for him uniquely referencing RHEL, Centos, and 
Fedora?)


For the record

1) Turritopsis' email claims to be sent at 8:47pm and arrived on my 
machine at 9:39pm
2) Ed's email claims to be sent at 8:50pm and arrived on my machine at 
9:42pm

3) My reply was sent 9:44pm
4) Turritopsis's reply claims to be sent at 8:57pm and arrived on my 
machine at 9:50pm


Clearly my receiving and sending email with users _at_ 
lists.fedoraproject.org is out of sync. I have been seeing lots of posts 
from the lists come in late ... up to 24 hours.


However, I am seeing this with one other person not on list so I can't 
point to Fedora.


I am on gmail. Just wanted to let folks know that 1) things are getting 
out-of-sync "somewhere" and 2) if I had seen Turritopsis' reply I would 
not have made my +1 comment


Paul
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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

2018-10-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 10/30/2018 08:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), CentOS, 
and Fedora remain open source/free software after IBM buys Red Hat for $34 
Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed until sometime 
in 2019.



+1 (or should it be +3 for him uniquely referencing RHEL, Centos, and 
Fedora?)

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

2018-10-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 10/30/2018 12:53 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul

yes but not as good as a written roadmap

d




agreed
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

2018-10-29 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:



On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by 
Bruce

Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being 
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation 
but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just 
"leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& 
I'd rather

not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good 
replacement for

Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.
Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average 
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long 
view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt 
that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A good 
place to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every 
six

months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?



ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what 
might be coming in RHEL/Centos


Paul
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 10/20/18 9:03 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 20Oct2018 18:55, Stephen Perkins  wrote:
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan  
wrote:

Would you willingly or
reluctantly migrate to the new platform?


Neither.  If this list disappears, I will too.


Likewise.


And another likewise
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Re: Is Fedora Linux protected against the Meltdown and Spectre security flaws?

2018-02-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 02/20/2018 12:39 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/20/18 15:51, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

In earlier email in this thread, you stated:

 Yes.  As long as you don't have kernel modules which were built with a
 non-patched gcc.

 ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*

 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*

This file is new to me ... do you happen to know about when it was introduced 
and
if there is any documentation on it (I couldn't find anything but I feel I was
grasping in the dark as I must be missing something).

Looking at the changelog for the kernel, my guess is that they were introduced 
around
Jan 10 of this year.  Maybe with the 4.14.13 kernel.  I don't happen to have an
earlier one running.  Except for a Live image which is at 4.13.9 and they 
aren't there.

I've not done, but probably should, look at the BZ reports noted in the 
changelog as
well as the CVE reports.

For example, the changelog has...

* Wed Jan 10 2018 Justin M. Forbes <jfor...@fedoraproject.org> - 4.14.13-300
- Linux v4.14.13
- Iniital retpoline fixes for Spectre v2


 From what I can tell in this thread, this is a good new addition


I would say so.





Ed:

Thanks for reply. Your answer is what I need to know ... it is a very 
recent addition (which helps explain why I haven't heard of it (smile)). 
I hadn't gotten far enough to figure out that the kernel is what I 
should be looking at


Best,
Paul
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Re: Is Fedora Linux protected against the Meltdown and Spectre security flaws?

2018-02-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 02/19/2018 06:04 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/19/18 21:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

What do these mean, and what is the needed mitigation, if any?


Basically, it means that everything that can currently be done to lessen the 
chances
of a security breach is being done.

Otherwise you may see something like...

Mitigation: Full generic retpoline - vulnerable module loaded



Ed:

In earlier email in this thread, you stated:

   Yes.  As long as you don't have kernel modules which were built with
   a non-patched gcc.

   ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*

   cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*

This file is new to me ... do you happen to know about when it was 
introduced and if there is any documentation on it (I couldn't find 
anything but I feel I was grasping in the dark as I must be missing 
something).


From what I can tell in this thread, this is a good new addition

Best,
Paul

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Re: how to change emails [correction]

2018-01-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 01/16/2018 07:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 01/16/2018 07:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 01/17/18 11:24, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Thanks for reply. Yeah, new account under new address is probably 
going to be the
solution ... though it strikes me odd that there doesn't seem to be 
a way to

contact to say something is wrong with uname and/or email


Have you sent an email to users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org? That 
is the email

address to use.



Ed:

[...]

Regardless, many thanks for pointing this out to me ... I am sending 
users-owner[...] an email after this one goes out.


[...]

Paul




I was advised that the best thing to do was to create a new account, 
link both addresses to it, and walk away from the original older one ... 
which I have done.


Thanks for help
Paul

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Re: how to change emails [correction]

2018-01-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 01/16/2018 07:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 01/17/18 11:24, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for reply. Yeah, new account under new address is probably going to be 
the
solution ... though it strikes me odd that there doesn't seem to be a way to
contact to say something is wrong with uname and/or email


Have you sent an email to users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org?  That is the 
email
address to use.



Ed:

Up until now I have been using users@lists.fedoraproject.org and the 
suggested website of https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts. And I was 
about to write an email saying "yes, I have" until I saw that you 
suggested users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org (glad I spotted that 
before digging myself into a deeper whole).


Not certain if I haven't seen this email or if I missed it thinking it 
was users@lists.fedoraproject.org.


Regardless, many thanks for pointing this out to me ... I am sending 
users-owner[...] an email after this one goes out.


Once again, apologies to Cameron and you for getting this thread crossed 
between old and new email addresses on my part (I *so* want to get 
everything from one to the other as soon as possible)


Paul

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Re: how to change emails [correction]

2018-01-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 01/16/2018 07:09 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 17Jan2018 14:00, Cameron Simpson  wrote:
Still haven't figured out a way to change address since I am no 
longer able to log into Fedora or make contact with someone to 
figure out why my email and/or username is not recognized as "reset 
password" is failing for me


At that point I'd bite the bullet and just join the list under your 
new address. You'll get 2 copies for a while, [...]


I'll add that while I used mailman's change-my-email facility for most 
mailing lists, there were definitely a few I had trouble with. 
Generally not mailman. I eventually gave up fighting with them and 
rejoined the ones that mattered under my new address, knowing the old 
would cease delivery at some point.


And don't get me started on Google groups, steaming pile of junk that 
they are - many are not proper mailing lists or newsgroups, just 
vaguely forumlike messes.  I've got a few list memberships in there 
which seem utterly unretrievable. I'm still a "member", but I cannot 
adjust things. It is just broken, something to do with the additional 
addresses associated with my account.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson  (formerly c...@zip.com.au)


Cameron:

Thanks for reply. Yeah, new account under new address is probably going 
to be the solution ... though it strikes me odd that there doesn't seem 
to be a way to contact to say something is wrong with uname and/or email


Paul
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Re: how to change emails [correction]

2018-01-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 01/16/2018 12:24 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 16Jan2018 20:28, Tim <ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 15 January 2018, Paul Allen Newell sent:

Changing emails after 20+ years is madness ...


Too true.  Having your own domain name means that you'll never *have*
to do that, it'd only be something you did if you *wanted* to.


I also went through this pain last year. My venerable c...@zip.com.au 
address, which came from my first ISP, is now dead. They said "an 
address for life" and this was, like your address, 20+ years ago.





Tim's reply never showed up ... who knows what happened. Gmail seems to 
have some unexpected wrinkles as I've had other email not make it ... 
and/or I am still learning this new "smart email system"


The thought of  my own domain has crossed my mind. My old account was 
supposed to outlive me so it seemed unnecessary. Right now the problem 
is the actual move as opposed to where.


Still haven't figured out a way to change address since I am no longer 
able to log into Fedora or make contact with someone to figure out why 
my email and/or username is not recognized as "reset password" is 
failing for me


Paul
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Re: how to change emails [correction]

2018-01-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Ed (and anyone else who is seeing this):

This email got sent from my new email address and I apologize as I was 
trying to make sure I didn't use it on fedora lists until I had it 
switched in fedora's records. I am switching the from and cc (to me) 
back to the current (to be old email)


Changing emails after 20+ years is madness ...

Paul

On 01/15/2018 11:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 01/15/2018 03:00 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 01/15/18 16:40, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Dear users@lists.fedoraproject.org:

I am in need of changing my email address to this list. I cannot see 
any easy way
to do this except for unsubscribing and then re-subscribing to this 
list. The
monthly email which confirms my email and passwd does not work when 
I try to use
it. And I am not easily seeing what the site is to "subscribe" as 
things are a bit

different now than in 2008 when I first subscribed.

I am sorry to have to bother the users@lists[...] with this question 
but my query
to u...@lists.fedoraproject.org about what to do just gave me a 
reply from
mailman-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org that pretty much was pure 
"composed by a

program" and had absolutely no useful info.


If you go to   https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ and 
login you can then

go to

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/email/

And update your email address.




Ed:

Many thanks for replying.

Went to https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ and tried to login. 
It told me "login and/or password you specified are not correct". 
Tried any passwords I have every used with Fedora and/or RedHat with 
no luck.


I note that I stopped getting updates from 
users@lists.fedoraproject.org in 2016 so I cannot confirm that I have 
correct info to log in. What is bothering me is that when I tell it I 
have forgotten my password and give it my email to send me something 
to reset, it says there is nobody who has that email. It is like 
somehow I don't exists except by grandfathering?


Best,
Paul

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how to change emails

2018-01-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Dear users@lists.fedoraproject.org:

I am in need of changing my email address to this list. I cannot see any 
easy way to do this except for unsubscribing and then re-subscribing to 
this list. The monthly email which confirms my email and passwd does not 
work when I try to use it. And I am not easily seeing what the site is 
to "subscribe" as things are a bit different now than in 2008 when I 
first subscribed.


I am sorry to have to bother the users@lists[...] with this question but 
my query to u...@lists.fedoraproject.org about what to do just gave me a 
reply from mailman-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org that pretty much was 
pure "composed by a program" and had absolutely no useful info.


Thanks in advance,
Paul
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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-08-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 08/01/2017 09:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/02/2017 12:38 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Not to keep beating this as I think it is resolved given seeing things working
after reloading flash when it didn't work prior, I did want to mention that 
tonight
(sorry for the delay in doing this but something else came up), I ran:

 [root@birdinhand ~]# fixfiles -R firefox check
 Warning: Skipping the following R/O filesystems:
 /sys/fs/cgroup
 [root@birdinhand ~]#

and it appears that fixfiles thinks that everything except the read-only 
directory
is okay and nothing needs to be fixed/restored.


Yes, it would seem all is labeled correctly and that the different results you 
get
are due to having NoScript and how it affects transitions of Selinux Domains.

All in all, I wouldn't give it another thought.

Also, FWIW, that AVC you get with nVidia wanting to write to a unix_dgram_socket
seems to be a known issue.  I saw a Bugzilla about it for I think it was F22 
and no
action was taken other than to give the advice that is presented by sealert.



Thanks for confirm that you feel "all is labeled correctly".

The Bugzilla I saw for the NVidia issue were pretty much unanswered 
issues -- very much in the spirit of your original comment of:


"Once you install any package which 'taints' the kernel you can expect 
little help
from Fedora or Red Hat in resolving kernel related issues.  You also 
won't get help

with any packages not supplied by them."

I did look up and find the Bugzilla you mentioned (F23) and I smiled at 
the answer "I think this is probably SELinux doing it's job...".


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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-08-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 10:30 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 07/30/2017 09:02 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

You could always run FF with NoScript disabled to verify.

Assuming you didn't install FF in a non-Fedora way.  I think I would 
go about

relabeling, just for peace of mind.

To do that, I would at a minimum do

fixfiles -R firefox restore

or at a maximum

touch /.autorelabel
reboot




I have to admit, it sure didn't seem like I needed to run this test 
with NoScript off, but I figured I owed it for completeness. Imagine 
the large plate of crow delivered to me when I go the "no printer".


Turned NoScript back on and only allowed enough permissions to get the 
crossword up on screen. Still "no printer". Two or three times 
(getting bored of the Trivago ad). On the last try, I got a notice 
that Flash Plugin had crashed in Firefox. It asked if it wanted to be 
reloaded, I said yes and the crossword puzzle came up. This time the 
printer was available and wanted to print the crossword.


No SELinux alerts accept for "my usual NVidia ones" of SELinux is 
preventing /usr/lib64/firefox/plugin-container from sendto access on 
the unix_dgram_socket @nvidia15a01b57 which says I should setsebool -P 
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0. It did not occur. The ABRT is 
about "plugin-container killed by SIGSEGV". The SELinux alert appears 
to have occurred after I restarted Flash


Firefox was installed in the default install from DVD and have always 
updated through yum.


I checked my add-ons in Firefox to see if I had anything else, I do 
see the Web Developer 1.2.13 extension (that plate of crow is 
preventing me from assuming that it could have nothing to do with 
things ...). The only plugins I have added is Widevine Content 
Decryption Module provided by Google Inc 1.4.8.903 ... all the rest 
(except Flash) are from rhel et al or mozilla


At this point, I am more suspect of Flash than SELinux file settings 
given that a crash and reloading got me the printer for the crossword 
puzzle


I read the man page on fixfiles and it makes sense. Luckily, was able 
to search for the touch option by googling "touch ./autorelabel" so I 
understand what you mean by "at a maximum".


For reference:
flash-plugin: 26.0.0.137
firefox: 52.2.0


Not to keep beating this as I think it is resolved given seeing things 
working after reloading flash when it didn't work prior, I did want to 
mention that tonight (sorry for the delay in doing this but something 
else came up), I ran:


   [root@birdinhand ~]# fixfiles -R firefox check
   Warning: Skipping the following R/O filesystems:
   /sys/fs/cgroup
   [root@birdinhand ~]#

and it appears that fixfiles thinks that everything except the read-only 
directory is okay and nothing needs to be fixed/restored.
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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 09:02 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 08:50 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 07/30/2017 05:07 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 07:44 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 07/30/2017 04:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Are you saying you printed the puzzle?  If that is the case, what is the output
of

getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition   as well as

getenforce


[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition --> on
[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getenforce
Enforcing
[paul@birdinhand ~]$


All I can say is that I find that odd and maybe even a bit troubling.  With 
those
setting you should get "no printer" when the print dialog is presented after 
picking
"Print --> blank puzzle".

This suggests that some change occurred to your system which alters the 
behavior.
Possibly a mislabeled file or something else.  Or possibly the way some things 
on
your system were installed.

If the behavior is altered in this one case I'd be wondering if there may be 
other
cases.



Was not expecting "odd and maybe even a bit troubling".

I am running NoScript but that should not make difference.

My install notes indicate the only change I made to SELinux is setsebool -P
antivirus_can_scan_system 1 to enable clamav to scan system
(https://linux-audit.com/install-clamav-on-centos-7-using-freshclam). All I can
think of is that something has changed in the Fedora branch?

You could always run FF with NoScript disabled to verify.

Assuming you didn't install FF in a non-Fedora way.  I think I would go about
relabeling, just for peace of mind.

To do that, I would at a minimum do

fixfiles -R firefox restore

or at a maximum

touch /.autorelabel
reboot




I have to admit, it sure didn't seem like I needed to run this test with 
NoScript off, but I figured I owed it for completeness. Imagine the 
large plate of crow delivered to me when I go the "no printer".


Turned NoScript back on and only allowed enough permissions to get the 
crossword up on screen. Still "no printer". Two or three times (getting 
bored of the Trivago ad). On the last try, I got a notice that Flash 
Plugin had crashed in Firefox. It asked if it wanted to be reloaded, I 
said yes and the crossword puzzle came up. This time the printer was 
available and wanted to print the crossword.


No SELinux alerts accept for "my usual NVidia ones" of SELinux is 
preventing /usr/lib64/firefox/plugin-container from sendto access on the 
unix_dgram_socket @nvidia15a01b57 which says I should setsebool -P 
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0. It did not occur. The ABRT is 
about "plugin-container killed by SIGSEGV". The SELinux alert appears to 
have occurred after I restarted Flash


Firefox was installed in the default install from DVD and have always 
updated through yum.


I checked my add-ons in Firefox to see if I had anything else, I do see 
the Web Developer 1.2.13 extension (that plate of crow is preventing me 
from assuming that it could have nothing to do with things ...). The 
only plugins I have added is Widevine Content Decryption Module provided 
by Google Inc 1.4.8.903 ... all the rest (except Flash) are from rhel et 
al or mozilla


At this point, I am more suspect of Flash than SELinux file settings 
given that a crash and reloading got me the printer for the crossword puzzle


I read the man page on fixfiles and it makes sense. Luckily, was able to 
search for the touch option by googling "touch ./autorelabel" so I 
understand what you mean by "at a maximum".


For reference:
flash-plugin: 26.0.0.137
firefox: 52.2.0
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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 05:07 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 07:44 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 07/30/2017 04:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:


Are you saying you printed the puzzle?  If that is the case, what is the output
of

getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition   as well as

getenforce


[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition --> on
[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getenforce
Enforcing
[paul@birdinhand ~]$


All I can say is that I find that odd and maybe even a bit troubling.  With 
those
setting you should get "no printer" when the print dialog is presented after 
picking
"Print --> blank puzzle".

This suggests that some change occurred to your system which alters the 
behavior.
Possibly a mislabeled file or something else.  Or possibly the way some things 
on
your system were installed.

If the behavior is altered in this one case I'd be wondering if there may be 
other cases.



Was not expecting "odd and maybe even a bit troubling".

I am running NoScript but that should not make difference.

My install notes indicate the only change I made to SELinux is setsebool 
-P antivirus_can_scan_system 1 to enable clamav to scan system 
(https://linux-audit.com/install-clamav-on-centos-7-using-freshclam). 
All I can think of is that something has changed in the Fedora branch?

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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 04:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 07:30 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


On 07/30/2017 04:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 07:06 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


OK, good that it is all sorted.


Appreciate the information. Everything I found online indicated to me that 
others
have gotten the same warnings and the setsebool is the default action to take. I
have yet to see any comment about what is being prevented (as in "I can't do 
this
or that").

You mean other than Bob's inability to print the puzzles from USA Today?




I should have qualified that I was referring to NVidia issues. I did try to 
print a
crossword puzzle from Bob's site and had no warnings from SELinux ... and now 
have
a crossword puzzle on page in front of me that I somehow feel I have to try to 
solve

Are you saying you printed the puzzle?  If that is the case, what is the output 
of

getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition   as well as

getenforce


[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getsebool unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition --> on
[paul@birdinhand ~]$ getenforce
Enforcing
[paul@birdinhand ~]$
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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 04:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/31/2017 07:06 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


OK, good that it is all sorted.


Appreciate the information. Everything I found online indicated to me that 
others
have gotten the same warnings and the setsebool is the default action to take. I
have yet to see any comment about what is being prevented (as in "I can't do 
this
or that").


You mean other than Bob's inability to print the puzzles from USA Today?



I should have qualified that I was referring to NVidia issues. I did try 
to print a crossword puzzle from Bob's site and had no warnings from 
SELinux ... and now have a crossword puzzle on page in front of me that 
I somehow feel I have to try to solve

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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/30/2017 06:30 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/30/2017 03:56 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


Ed's suggestion of "setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0" is 
exactly
what SELinux advises me to do now that I have NVidia instead of nouveau 
installed
when dealing with Firefox issues.

The selinux issue with the firefox plugin has no relationship to either nVidia,
nouveau, or any other video driver.


okay


Am I to gather the this "setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0"
suggestion pretty much is a global statement to say "*anything* that SELinux 
pings
in anything dealing with Firefox" will be ignored once this setsebool rule is 
enacted?

No.  It only has to do with the mozzilla plugin

[root@meimei ~]# semanage boolean -l | grep mozilla_plugin_tran
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition (on   ,   on)  Allow unconfined users to
transition to the Mozilla plugin domain when running xulrunner plugin-container.

Which basically would control what processes can be executed by the plugin.


This helps clarify, thank you. Far better explanation than the 
conclusion I was thinking





Not making value judgment with that statement, just trying to understand how big
the scope of that SELinux rules is. For the record, I have not granted that
exception as I have yet to see any problem with NVidia and Firefox that 
requires an
intervention.

I guess I'm a bit confused.

In your second paragraph you said ""setsebool -P 
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition
0" is exactly what SELinux advises me to do now that I have NVidia instead of 
nouveau
installed when dealing with Firefox issues."  But now you've said " I have not
granted that exception as I have yet to see any problem with NVidia and Firefox 
that
requires an intervention."


SELinux has given me the alert and I have not done the setsebool action. 
Given that I have not seen any problems, it doesn't make much sense to 
me to do the setsebool action.


But, again, the selinux messages we're talking about here have no relationship 
to the
video hardware or driver in use.

You may not hit an issue so you may not need to make the change.   In the case 
of
going to puzzles.usatoday.com, running the flash plugin and then trying to 
print the
plugin isn't being allowed access to information about printers.it would 
seem.

If you hit an issue that requires you change the boolean (and chances are you 
won't
know it unless you disable dontaudit) and you are concerned about a security 
risk I
would ask on the selinux mailing list.   They have the expertise.  I


Appreciate the information. Everything I found online indicated to me 
that others have gotten the same warnings and the setsebool is the 
default action to take. I have yet to see any comment about what is 
being prevented (as in "I can't do this or that").


Thanks





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Re: Print crossword puzzle -

2017-07-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/24/2017 01:13 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 07/23/17 20:34, Ed Greshko wrote:
First, I hardly ever use firefox.  I have it set up to use a network 
proxy for a

specific use case that I occasionally need.  With that in mind.

My "thought" process and diagnosis when about like this  
Snip  

+

I can probably do this in the event of another similar problem and 
have saved this to my notes.


Thank you



After going through this thread and looking at Ed's replies as to "what 
to do" (being "setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0"), I 
went back to my "NVidia instead of nouveau" issues (which included a 
thread with Ed explaining to me some stuff I did not understand).


Ed's suggestion of "setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0" 
is exactly what SELinux advises me to do now that I have NVidia instead 
of nouveau installed when dealing with Firefox issues.


Am I to gather the this "setsebool -P 
unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition 0" suggestion pretty much is a 
global statement to say "*anything* that SELinux pings in anything 
dealing with Firefox" will be ignored once this setsebool rule is enacted?


Not making value judgment with that statement, just trying to understand 
how big the scope of that SELinux rules is. For the record, I have not 
granted that exception as I have yet to see any problem with NVidia and 
Firefox that requires an intervention.


Thanks for any advice,
Paul
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 07:51 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 10:36, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I admit that I am newbie here and might be making wrong conclusions, but with 
each
correction I get a little bit better understanding.


I feel that if you're really interested into why certain repos release certain
versions of nVidia driver SW you should be asking them directly.

As a matter of fact, in reality, anything having to do with other repositories 
should
be addressed with them.



agreed ... thanks
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 07:07 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 09:51, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for info.

I found this for long-lived:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=OTkxOA.

I am assuming short-lived is for Fedoras and the like in which they may 
want/need
to move to another version and will abandon the prior short-lived?


No, nothing to do with any distribution like Fedora or any other.

It has to do with personal choices based on what HW you have, or want to buy, 
and if
you're interested in newer HW or features being introduced.  As mentioned 
previously,
RPMfusion (which targets Fedora) releases the latest versions of the Long Live 
SW.

I suppose I'd be tempted to refer to Short Lived as their Beta branch...but 
they
(nVidia) may consider it differently.

In the end, none of that matters.  You pick the repo that gives you what you 
need and
want.  I've been perfectly happy with RPMfusion and their packages and 
methodology
when it comes to installation and updates to nVidia.


Ed:

My take on this came from the negativo17.org page I sent in earlier 
email which states:


"Here is a rundown of Nvidia supported drivers and options split by 
distribution. Basically, CentOS/RHEL will always get a Long Lived branch 
release if possible, Fedora always a Short Lived branch release, and 
unreleased distributions will always get a Beta driver."


I cannot find an NVidia definition of short-lived (which I think is what 
is needed here) ... this was the closest example I could find that 
attempted to put short-lived in context. Seems to be a repo decision 
given that RPMfusion uses the Long-Lived for Fedora. And, in 
Negativo17's case, they are to some extent making decisions based on 
what distribution it is.


For what it is worth, the folks I got the advice to go with ElRepo as it 
is more idiot-proof than other repos also mentioned Negativo17 but the 
take was they might be a bit less conservative with choices when we 
looked at their decision for multimedia. Hence, they may be comfortable 
with a short-lived branch while PRMfusion isn't? (and, yes, this is a 
purely speculative swag)


I admit that I am newbie here and might be making wrong conclusions, but 
with each correction I get a little bit better understanding.


Paul
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 06:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 08:35, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Oh, I definitely missed that aspect. Middle of page of
https://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia where it lists kmod-nvidia-xx is 
what
led me to believe that. I can see on https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ that
they list driver version for el6/el7 as 375.66 and f24/25/26 as 381.22. Thanks 
for
explaining the model to me.


Final note.

If you were to check the nVidia website http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html 
you'd
see listed

Latest Long Lived Branch version: 375.66
Latest Short Lived Branch version: 381.22

I do not know what nVidia's definition of "Long Lived" v.s. "Short Lived".



Ed:

Thanks for info.

I found this for long-lived: 
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=OTkxOA.


I am assuming short-lived is for Fedoras and the like in which they may 
want/need to move to another version and will abandon the prior short-lived?


Paul
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 05:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 07:17, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for correcting me on the Centos vs Fedora issue, I made a leap of faith 
that
I shouldn't have. That being said, if you say RPMFusion is 375.66 then that is 
the
same one available at ElRepo. Isn't the version available based on graphic card
rather than opSys.

No.  The version of the nVidia drivers supplied by the repo is purely the 
choice of
those running the repo.  They pick up the drivers themselves from nVidia and 
then
simply repackage them in "rpm" format to make installation easier.

I went by their website, which is kind of hard to read and a bit outdated.  I 
suppose
I really should look in the repo to see what version they are supplyingbut
frankly it isn't that important to me.


Oh, I definitely missed that aspect. Middle of page of 
https://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia where it lists 
kmod-nvidia-xx is what led me to believe that. I can see on 
https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ that they list driver version for 
el6/el7 as 375.66 and f24/25/26 as 381.22. Thanks for explaining the 
model to me.


Obviously, I really meant it when I said I was a newbie to NVidia 
(smile) on Linux w/ nouveau (smile).


I have to revisit my understanding of all this

  

And I did not know about RPMFusion / akmod support ... I figured updates from
NVidia would be unlikely for RHEL / Centos but was wondering what I would have 
to
do if I discovered there was one.

You may be coming confused as to the purpose of akmod?  It has nothing to do 
with
"updated" drivers.  The nVidia drivers are in a module which needs to be 
"inserted"
in the running kernel.  You can list those modules using the "lsmod" command.  
All of
these modules are built specifically for a particular running kernel.  For 
example, I
have 3 kernels installed on my system so you'd find this.

egreshko@meimei ~]$ locate nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.6-201.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.7-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.8-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko

When the kernel is updated the akmod process with build the nvidia.ko module, 
package
it in a rpm, and install the rpm.



Reading this and your prior email shows that I did get myself confused. 
I think part of that confusion may be the above mentioned model for what 
the version represents. The other part is clearly a mis-read of your 
original comment, apologies


I appreciate your taking the time to straighten out some of my 
misconceptions (I am positive there are more on this one and I need to 
do the work to straighten them out myself)


Best,
Paul



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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 02:45 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/08/17 16:47, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I am too 
much
of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux

Problems with nouveau, like all packages actually supplied by fedora project, 
should
be filed at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
If you have problems with nouveau and you report them you must continue to run
nouveau since as part of the bugzilla process you may be asked to perform 
additional
tests and/or provide more information.

If you report a nouveau problem, switch to nVidia drivers, and are then asked 
for
more information but are unable/unwilling to supply it you can expect the 
bugzilla to
be closed without getting fixed.



What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo repository on
Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise between SELinux and the
NVidia install. This repository was suggested to me from Autodesk which clearly 
has
an interest in trying to run on NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they 
"hinted"
that I might be better off on ElRepo.

The advice you've been given "may" be appropriate for Centos7 which is a 
long-life
distribution.  If one would check ELRepo's website they'd find that the latest 
driver
is version 346.35.

When it comes to Fedora, and/or the desire for quicker bug fixes and support 
for the
latest video HW, then RPMFusion is a better choice.  They package the latest 
released
(not beta) nVidia drivers.  They are currently at  375.66.

RPMFusion also provides you with "akmod" support.  This is beneficial as it 
allows
the kmod-nvidia packages/drivers to be rebuilt for newly released kernel updates
which can happen frequently with Fedora.



For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of RHEL/Centos on
issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... I think that once one
installs them "one is on one's own" in that RHEL/Centos world



Once you install any package which "taints" the kernel you can expect little 
help
from Fedora or Red Hat in resolving kernel related issues.  You also won't get 
help
with any packages not supplied by them.



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Ed:

Thanks for correcting me on the Centos vs Fedora issue, I made a leap of 
faith that I shouldn't have. That being said, if you say RPMFusion is 
375.66 then that is the same one available at ElRepo. Isn't the version 
available based on graphic card rather than opSys.


And I did not know about RPMFusion / akmod support ... I figured updates 
from NVidia would be unlikely for RHEL / Centos but was wondering what I 
would have to do if I discovered there was one.


I did query Centos bugzilla about the SELinux noise and realized a few 
days afterwards that the odds were good that silence was going to be the 
answer. I kinda hoped for a "yeah, that's expected" but that was a bit 
naive of me.


Best,
Paul


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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 01:47 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 07/08/2017 12:29 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
(rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
and I have to reboot.

I get these messages in the logs:

nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)

Where to report this?

I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now

Thank you



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Françosi:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I 
am too much of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux


What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo 
repository on Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise 
between SELinux and the NVidia install. This repository was suggested 
to me from Autodesk which clearly has an interest in trying to run on 
NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they "hinted" that I might be 
better off on ElRepo.


For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of 
RHEL/Centos on issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... 
I think that once one installs them "one is on one's own" in that 
RHEL/Centos world


Paul


Resend as I apologize for typo on your first name of François

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 07/08/2017 12:29 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
(rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
and I have to reboot.

I get these messages in the logs:

nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)

Where to report this?

I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now

Thank you



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Françosi:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I 
am too much of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux


What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo 
repository on Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise 
between SELinux and the NVidia install. This repository was suggested to 
me from Autodesk which clearly has an interest in trying to run on 
NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they "hinted" that I might be 
better off on ElRepo.


For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of 
RHEL/Centos on issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... I 
think that once one installs them "one is on one's own" in that 
RHEL/Centos world


Paul
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Re: attempts to hack in? [SOLVED]

2017-07-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 07/06/2017 08:57 PM, William wrote:

Good evening,

Turning off ssh in the public zone, and entering the commands
* systemctl stop sshd
* systemctl mask sshd
* systemctl stop httpd
* systemctl mask httpd
do seem to be working.  After three days, I'm still not seeing any 
indications in journalctl output of external attempts to connect to my 
workstation.  I am comfortable saying this issue is solved.


I thank everyone who tried to help.  I also see in this thread's 
messages that at least one other person was helped by this thread. I'm 
glad to see that.


Bill.



Bill:

Make that "at least two" ... though it is taking me a bit longer to 
digest what is the main chance in this thread


Thanks,
Paul
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Re: sudo su

2017-05-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell




On 05/28/2017 02:21 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 05/28/2017 01:40 AM, Tom H wrote:

You replied off-list

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Paul Allen Newell 
<pnew...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

On 05/28/2017 01:04 AM, Tom H wrote:

"-i" is faster than "su -l" :)

huh?

sudo -i
is faster than
sudo su -l


Apologies for replying off-list, it was not intentional.

I was unaware of the "-i" option for sudo. Am reading online man pages 
on it and beginning to understand.


Thanks for reply as I try to understand "-i"


Correcting my off-list post by cc-ing back to the list ... once again, 
my apologies

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Re: So acrobat is dead for linux - long live evince?

2014-12-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 12/15/2014 10:30 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:

Being a happy KDE user, I like okular.

And I use it not just for pdf, but a whole assortment of other document
formats like dvi, djvu, ps, epub, and so on.

Okular is indeed the best pdf reader irrespective of what desktop
environment you use. Evince doesn't have annotation tools as rich as
Okular's.



I have discovered that evince doesn't seem to understand adobe's syntax 
of fname.pdf#page=404 ... any of these alternatives capable? Or am I 
missing something and evince has added that capability.


In regards to missing something, I have migrated from Fedora to Centos 
to test to see if I prefer stability over latest-n-greatest and 
therefore am only able to use what Centos supports. Still keeping eye on 
Fedora if my list of miss that get to be too long.


Thanks,
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Re: pdftk

2014-12-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 12/09/2014 09:48 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:01:46 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org 
wrote:


On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 07:37:08PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

What is the story with pdftk?
$ sudo yum list pdftk
.
Installed Packages
pdftk.x86_641.44-11.fc19 @fedora
Is it orphaned? That would be a bummer! I depend on it a lot.

Unfortunately, yes. See
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196394.html

Thanks! Any chance it will be picked up by rpmforge or something?

Best wishes,
Ranjan



It would be good if someone who could pick it up w/o the issues that 
Fedora had would do it -- pdftk was a good package and will be missed. 
Given that Fedora isn't going to continue, I understand it is a bit 
useless to make the comment here. But hopefully senior folk in Fedora 
can give a push for pdftk to be somewhere within the Linux world that 
Fedora users can pick up (and also Centos).


One question that I wanted to ask is whether pdftk is continuing on 
other platforms. I first encountered / used / liked on Windows 98. Is 
the non-support of such for Fedora only local to Fedora (meaning whoever 
is writing it is still pushing it out for other opSys)?


Thanks,
Paul

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Re: pdftk

2014-12-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 12/10/2014 04:07 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:55:10 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org 
wrote:


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:51:59PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

It would be good if someone who could pick it up w/o the issues that
Fedora had would do it -- pdftk was a good package and will be
missed. Given that Fedora isn't going to continue, I understand it
is a bit useless to make the comment here. But hopefully senior folk
in Fedora can give a push for pdftk to be somewhere within the
Linux world that Fedora users can pick up (and also Centos).

We'd love to have it in Fedora. The itext5 author is really the person
to talk to here.

Who would that be? Can this go to RPMfusion?

That's up to the RPMfusion people. But really, that's a lot less
ideal than having the software licensed in a truly open way so everyone
can benefit.

Completely agree with this sentiment! But we can not do much here, I guess, 
except hope!

Ranjan




Okay, I will hope (and in a positive manner as opposed to sarcastic) ... 
but part of that will be in the spirit of my original use of the word 
hopeful that someone with a voice that matters can give a push to 
either itext5 author or rpmfusion group that it would be a good thing.


Thanks for giving this thread a let's hope flavor rather than a ain't 
gonna happen so forget it brick wall


Paul

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Re: pdftk

2014-12-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 12/10/2014 08:02 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:49:55 -0800 Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote:


On 12/10/2014 04:07 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:55:10 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org 
wrote:


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:51:59PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

It would be good if someone who could pick it up w/o the issues that
Fedora had would do it -- pdftk was a good package and will be
missed. Given that Fedora isn't going to continue, I understand it
is a bit useless to make the comment here. But hopefully senior folk
in Fedora can give a push for pdftk to be somewhere within the
Linux world that Fedora users can pick up (and also Centos).

We'd love to have it in Fedora. The itext5 author is really the person
to talk to here.

Who would that be? Can this go to RPMfusion?

That's up to the RPMfusion people. But really, that's a lot less
ideal than having the software licensed in a truly open way so everyone
can benefit.

Completely agree with this sentiment! But we can not do much here, I guess, 
except hope!

Ranjan



Okay, I will hope (and in a positive manner as opposed to sarcastic) ...
but part of that will be in the spirit of my original use of the word
hopeful that someone with a voice that matters can give a push to
either itext5 author or rpmfusion group that it would be a good thing.

Thanks for giving this thread a let's hope flavor rather than a ain't
gonna happen so forget it brick wall

Well, yes it is a fond hope because as I said, it is a fond hope. But I can't 
make it happen because I do not know the issues that this entails.

Ranjan



I probably know less of the issues involved and understand that I am 
walking a fine line to avoid sounding like a Pollyanna



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Re: auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 12/12/2013 1:19 PM, poma wrote:

I tested with vaxon77's delayed mount[1], however the value required
for this varies from machine to machine, and on some it isn't necessary
at all.
So you can start with one second to more until you reach the automounting.

Do not forget to chmod the file:
# chmod +x /usr/local/bin/thunar-volman


poma


[1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193#c0



I decided manually mounting was an easier solution. If xfce responds to 
the bugs, I'll reconsider

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Re: auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 12/11/2013 7:14 AM, poma wrote:

With this[1] patch the Thunar Volume Management is unchecked by default,
which reflects the true initial state of this option.
Paul, do you want to file a bug report?


poma


[1] 'thunar-pref-vol-management.diff' - attach



Poma:

Confirmed bug and submitted bugzilla.xfce #10539 (included that user 
poma from this list found the bug, though I only submitted what I 
could confirm through my testing).


After all this, I discovered that the drives/media still do not 
auto-mount, even though the property /misc-volume-management is there 
and set to true. A bit of a dig in their bugzilla shows #9193 which 
looks kinda similar with a bunch of comments, suggestions, tests, etc. 
but no explicit mention of a patch being released.


I guess I will just see what happens now and, if necessary, get used to 
manually mounting the volume. Given how long I've spent on looking at 
this issue, I could have manually mounted a whole lot of drives/media 
(smile).


Thank you for your help
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Re: auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 12/9/2013 11:23 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:

On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:23:49 -0600
Dale Dellutri daledellu...@gmail.com wrote:



This is an XFCE issue, not a fedora issue.  You probably should
post this question
on the XFCE general discussion list:
   https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

yum search xfce
Fedora packaged Xfce, it's allowed.



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Re: auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 12/9/2013 7:41 PM, poma wrote:

On 09.12.2013 22:11, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 12/9/13 8:15 AM, poma wrote:

On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Hello:

I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
test)

I have Applications Menu - Settings - Removable Drives and Media open

Under Removable Storage:
   [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
   [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
   [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
   [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
   [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media

Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.

Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon
on the desktop and tell it to please go mount yourself

Am I not understanding the options under Settings - Removable Storage?

I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I
could hot-plug

I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I
am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.

This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually please
go mount yourself (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am
rather frustrated by this)

Thanks in advance for any advice
Paul


http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
- Volume Management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true


poma



Poma:

Thanks for reply.

Volume management is checked on as the link you provided shows

Running the command xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
returns the following:

Property misc-volume-management does not exist on channel thunar.

The package thunar-volman is already installed on my machine (0.8.0-4.fc19).

The only other thing I can spot in your link is reference to HAL. When I
hunt around to find out information, I come across the following on the
xfce site for thunar-volman:  HAL is undergoing deprecation at the
moment. All major distributions push for the removal of HAL in favor of
DeviceKit-disks/udisk, DeviceKit-power/upower and udev
(http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/thunar-volman-udev). Everything I can see on
this implies the transition as 2009 to 2010 range.

:)
The requirement part is outdated, anyway the emphasis was on
http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/thunar/preferences-advanced.png
$ grep Required -A13 /usr/share/doc/thunar-volman-0.8.0/README


The other response from Dale suggested that I take it to the xfce
general discussion site (which I intend to do after seeing if I get any
more info here).

Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to better understand the
problem?

Just play with it.
i.e. Re-enable Volume Managment(checkbox)
or Create a new property if it does not already exist[1],
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -n -t bool -s true


poma


[1] $ xfconf-query -h




Poma:

Thanks for reply and additional info. I'm going to need some time to 
look into this as I need to understand why I should be creating the new 
property given thunar-volman is installed


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Re: auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 12/9/13 8:15 AM, poma wrote:

On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Hello:

I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
test)

I have Applications Menu - Settings - Removable Drives and Media open

Under Removable Storage:
  [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
  [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
  [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
  [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
  [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media

Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.

Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon
on the desktop and tell it to please go mount yourself

Am I not understanding the options under Settings - Removable Storage?

I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I
could hot-plug

I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I
am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.

This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually please
go mount yourself (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am
rather frustrated by this)

Thanks in advance for any advice
Paul


http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
- Volume Management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true


poma



Poma:

Thanks for reply.

Volume management is checked on as the link you provided shows

Running the command xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management 
returns the following:


Property misc-volume-management does not exist on channel thunar.

The package thunar-volman is already installed on my machine (0.8.0-4.fc19).

The only other thing I can spot in your link is reference to HAL. When I 
hunt around to find out information, I come across the following on the 
xfce site for thunar-volman:  HAL is undergoing deprecation at the 
moment. All major distributions push for the removal of HAL in favor of 
DeviceKit-disks/udisk, DeviceKit-power/upower and udev 
(http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/thunar-volman-udev). Everything I can see on 
this implies the transition as 2009 to 2010 range.


The other response from Dale suggested that I take it to the xfce 
general discussion site (which I intend to do after seeing if I get any 
more info here).


Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to better understand the 
problem?


Thanks,
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auto-mounting removable drives

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Hello:

I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this 
test)


I have Applications Menu - Settings - Removable Drives and Media open

Under Removable Storage:
[checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
[checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
[checked] Browse removable media when inserted
[not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
[not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media

Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.

Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before 
powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon 
on the desktop and tell it to please go mount yourself


Am I not understanding the options under Settings - Removable Storage?

I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't 
understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I 
could hot-plug


I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I 
am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.


This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually please 
go mount yourself (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am 
rather frustrated by this)


Thanks in advance for any advice
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f19 xfce 32bit system-config-network

2013-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Hello:

Trying to get a machine up and running on F19 to test it. As the subject
says, 32-bit F19 with Xfce.

I yum installed system-config-network as I have done in past releases
and nothing got added to the Settings - Administrator pull-downs. I
tried running it directly as root and get what appears to be a text ui
version rather than the gui I am used to.

Searching online has just managed to confused me even more. The closest
thing I can see is
http://www.savelono.com/linux/fedora-15-16-17-18-19-missing-system-config-network-gui-solved.html;
which suggests rebuilding using -with gui. But since the site claims
the result is system-config-network-tui-1.6.10-1.fc18.noarch.rpm and
tui sure looks it means text ui, I am not certain what is being
done. Plus, I never gone to the level of rpmbuild and therefore cannot
tell what is right or wrong.

I wanted to know if anyone knew what happened to the gui for
system-config-network and, if it is gone, what is the new application to
use? Or can someone vouch that the above-mentioned website is a valid
solution (I am giving the author the benefit of the doubt in regards to
good intentions, just want to make sure there isn't a typo or
mis-understanding on my part that I do not know enough to catch)

Thanks in advance,
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Re: turn off bash colored prompts for all users

2013-08-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 8/2/2013 1:08 PM, David wrote:

On 8/2/2013 3:50 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
[...]

So there is *two* of you?   :-)

Seriously I can see your problem here. I seriously doubt there are plans
to change this or make a GUI to change it. And I seriously doubt that
comments here will make any difference.

You do know that you can change the system default? As well as changing
it in your users .bashrc file? The best of two worlds you and Joe get it
your way and the rest of the Fedora world gets it their way.



I don't know whether this will help and/or is related, but I had a 
problem awhile back with incorrect colors for various types of files and 
got a fix (bug 817218). In that dialog, I expressed a desire to be able 
to customize on top of the default DIR_COLORS (rather than an outright 
replacement) That was done as 818069 (a thanks to the developers).


Unfortunately, I am still on F16 as I haven't had luck with F17 or F18 
so I haven't fully tested (keyboard issues). Hopefully F19 will behave 
on my machines.


Doubt if gui's will ever happen, but there is response to making it 
easier for users to do their own thing


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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 7/9/2013 11:18 PM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent:

+1

I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail,
and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with
the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would say.

-10

I'm sick of his behaviour.  If he modifies his own behaviour, and
continue to behave normally, he might get unmoderated.  Let him stay
moderated until he can stop being an insulting, aggressive, egotistical
sod.

Having sociopaths on the list drives people away.  New members, old
members.  They unsubscribe, they delete and ignore entire threads,
because they're sick of reading that crap.

And despite the support stories, I don't see a *vast* amount of good
information coming through.  I see small amounts of information, and I
see plenty of other posters providing similar and more amounts of good
information.  And they do so without being an ass.

Seriously, stop defending him.  There's no excuse for what he does.
I'll go even further.  Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing
it, unsubscribe him.  We're all better off without it.



Tim:

With all due respects, your email reads as a bit of overkill.

Having sociopaths on the list is your choice of words ... I don't 
think that opinion is shared by the majority. Swap out sociopath for 
difficult and you might be closer to the majority opinion


We have no idea what emails don't get through because of the moderators, 
so making an assessment of those is speculation.


If people on this list feel he gives good info (in spite of language) 
then that means the list wants to hear what he has to say and whether 
you and you alone are interested is not the question


I don't think anyone is defending him. My sense is the responses are 
more like we've seen the pros and cons and don't think moderation is 
worth it.


I can assure you that if the chains are released and he does an esad on 
the list, we will all support a opps, this was a mistake. But let's at 
least give it a go. The comment about wasting time waiting hours/days to 
get his emails to complete the thread make it worth a go for just that.


Best,
Paul

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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 7/9/2013 11:44 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:

On 07/10/2013 11:48 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent:

+1

I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail,
and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with
the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would say.

-10

I'm sick of his behaviour.  If he modifies his own behaviour, and
continue to behave normally, he might get unmoderated.  Let him stay
moderated until he can stop being an insulting, aggressive, egotistical
sod.

Having sociopaths on the list drives people away.  New members, old
members.  They unsubscribe, they delete and ignore entire threads,
because they're sick of reading that crap.

And despite the support stories, I don't see a *vast* amount of good
information coming through.  I see small amounts of information, and I
see plenty of other posters providing similar and more amounts of good
information.  And they do so without being an ass.

Seriously, stop defending him.  There's no excuse for what he does.
I'll go even further.  Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing
it, unsubscribe him.  We're all better off without it.


I do not at all condone or defend the kind of language that is used many
times in his mails, and I certainly do not want people to be driven away
from the list. I was merely stating the strategy I use, to live with
those mails coming into my mailbox.

I believe that the moderators of the mailing list have the wisdom and
the experience to take the right decision, for the common good, and I
will fully support that decision.

In this case, I hope the moderators are listening to the pros and cons 
as expressed in this thread to determine what the list wants rather than 
looking solely from the pov of what they think is best for the list.


Paul
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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 7/10/2013 6:40 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:46:38PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

In this case, I hope the moderators are listening to the pros and
cons as expressed in this thread to determine what the list wants
rather than looking solely from the pov of what they think is best
for the list.

Be assured we are.



I couldn't have asked for a better phrased response, thanks
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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote:


I agree completely.  Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of
their technical content.  It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due
to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as aggressive.

If people don't like his posts they can stop reading them.  However, anyone who
wants to read them is stuck putting them back into the proper order.  It's my
opinion that for the overall good of the list Harald should *not* be moderated.

Regards,

Matthew Roth
InterMedia Marketing Solutions
Software Engineer and Systems Developer


I agree as well ... not only for the overall good of the list but the 
overall good of Harald


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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

2013-03-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 3/22/2013 12:58 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 03/22/2013 03:48 PM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. wrote:


On Friday, March 22, 2013 2:53:29 PM Temlakos wrote:

 Intuit, Inc. migrated its TurboTax line of individual income-tax

 preparation software from front-end to back-end. Nobody, and I mean

 nobody, installs TurboTax on his machine anymore. He uses his 
browser to


 sign in to TurboTax on-line and completes his taxes there. They handle

 e-filing, and send printer-friendly pages and even PDF downloads on

 command. I expect Intuit to do the same with TurboTax Business in a 
year


 or so.

Its nice to know I'm a nobody.

--

Lester M Petrie

865-574-5259

petriel...@ornl.gov





Whuh? Where do you get the optical-disk media to install TurboTax for 
/Individuals/ on your machine? I haven't found that available for 
years. It's all on-line, all the way up to TurboTax Premier.


Now TurboTax for /Business/ is another matter altogether. There is no 
TurboTax for Business Online. Not that I've so far seen.


Temlakos




Every year I get a disk from Turbo Tax for my individual taxes. If I 
delay in asking them for it until December, they send me one anyways. 
Turbo Tax has not given up on that mode of delivery as there are people 
who prefer local installation.


Paul
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Re: OT: what's with the 'i'?

2013-01-31 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 1/31/2013 1:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:



My copy of this is back in the mid-90s:

   Vy  Knot?


Having chosen English as the preferred language in the EEC, the
European Parliament has commissioned a feasibility study in ways
of improving efficiency in communications between Government
departments.

European officials have often pointed out that English spelling is
unnecessarily difficult; for example: cough, plough, rough,
through and thorough. What is clearly needed is a phased programme
of changes to iron out these anomalies. The programme would, of
course, be administered by a committee staff at top level by
participating nations.

In the first year, for example, the committee would suggest using 's'
instead of the soft 'c'. Sertainly, sivil servants in all sities
would resieve this news with joy. Then the hard 'c' could be replaced
by 'k' sinse both letters are pronounsed alike. Not only would this
klear up konfusion in the minds of klerikal workers, but typewriters
kould be made with one less letter.

There would be growing enthusiasm when in the sekond year, it was
announsed that the troublesome 'ph' would henseforth be written 'f'.
This would make words like 'fotograf' twenty persent shorter in print.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expekted to reash the stage where more komplikated shanges are
possible. Governments would enkourage the removal of double leters
whish have always been a deterent to akurate speling. We would al
agre that the horible mes of silent 'e's in the languag is disgrasful.
Therefor we kould drop them and kontinu to read and writ as though
nothing had hapend.

By this tim it would be four years sins the skem began and peopl would
be reseptiv to steps sutsh as replasing 'th' by 'z'.  Perhaps zen ze
funktion of 'w' kould be taken on by 'v', vitsh is, after al, half a
'w'. Shortly after zis, ze unesesary 'o' kould be dropd from vords
kontaining 'ou'. Similar arguments vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters.  Kontinuing zis proses yer after yer, ve vud
eventuli hav a reli sensibl riten styl. After tventi yers zer vud be no
mor trubls, difikultis and evrivun vud find it ezi tu understand ech
ozer. Ze drems of the Guvermnt vud finali hav kum tru.




Thank you ... I really enjoyed reading it (and was easily able to read 
the whole article ... while my Thunderbird spell-check starting choking 
on the third paragraph)

Paul

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Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 1/28/2013 5:36 PM, g wrote:

if your system is freezing, put a heavy blanket around it to keep
it warm.



Life would be so much easier if it was this easy ...

Thanks,
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Re: fedora books

2012-11-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 11/30/2012 10:37 PM, Brian West wrote:
Hello everyone I'd like to hear any suggestions you may have when it 
comes to a good book to learn the features of fedora.  while there are 
countless books that teach you how to use linux in the general way.  
each distribution has its own unique set of tools and features.  being 
that fedora has been known since the beginning as a distribution that 
stays on the cutting edge giving its users the latest software what 
book would you suggest to ensure i can stay educated on fedora?


Fedora evolves faster than printing schedules.
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Re: fedora books

2012-11-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 11/30/2012 10:48 PM, Brian West wrote:

On 12/01/2012 01:47 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 11/30/2012 10:37 PM, Brian West wrote:
Hello everyone I'd like to hear any suggestions you may have when it 
comes to a good book to learn the features of fedora.  while there 
are countless books that teach you how to use linux in the general 
way.  each distribution has its own unique set of tools and 
features. being that fedora has been known since the beginning as a 
distribution that stays on the cutting edge giving its users the 
latest software what book would you suggest to ensure i can stay 
educated on fedora?


Fedora evolves faster than printing schedules.

any suggestions on how can stay educated?
this list is the best I've found ... and depending on how much you want 
to drown there are other lists regarding beta, project direction, etc.


my sense is all OS are evolving faster than print and once you gotten a 
handle on the OS from general books and test driving, the changes you 
need to know about will appear online in the various sites that are 
staying on top of that OS


I stand to be corrected by anyone else if they see a problem with this 
sense

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/19/2012 10:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

I've not been paying to much attention to this thread recently.

Time to put the failing keyboard back on the F17 system to verify the problem 
still exists?



Ed:

Thanks for the reply. Understand that this isn't a problem that has alot 
of bearing for alot of users and I am grateful for what I've gotten from 
the list


I would rather not take another day of repeating the Microsoft Natural 
on F17 ... but you are probably right as POM needs to be excluded it.


Sunday will be that sanity check,
Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0700
Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote:




This is getting to be way too much fun ...

A different keyboard (the one that came with the HP beast) does not have 
any failure problems after a couple of days of testing. The original 
keyboard (a MicroSoft Natural from @2001 ... I am under the impression 
that it has changed since then?) and the HP keyboard show no failure on 
a F16 machine.


Looks like I get to bring that F16 machine onto F17 and see if the 
Microsoft Natural suddenly starts having problems.


Obviously, I am beginning to think that a bug has been introduced into 
F17 that only shows up on my Microsoft Natural keyboard (mind you, I am 
not assuming that the only two keyboards in the universe are an HP 
keyboard and an old Microsoft Natural (smile)).


I only post this status update in case anyone can see something new 
(and I am thinking the old Microsoft Natural keyboard ...)


Thanks,
Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 2:51 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

I've had PS/2 keyboard problems in F17.  Two things to try:

1. Hold down a key and see if it starts auto-repeating.  In my case, the
first keypress is lost, but auto-repeat keypresses get through.

2. Ctrl-Alt-2 to a text terminal and see if the keyboard works outside
of X.  In my case, it did.

If your keyboard problems act like mine, you have the same problem, and
it's a bug in the X PS/2 keyboard driver.  Killing X resets it, and a
USB keyboard seems to work fine.

DJ:

Many thanks for this reply.

Sitting on a key does nothing per earlier tests.

Your comment about the X PS/2 keyboard driver would fit with the earlier 
advice I got. I've got a couple replies suggesting such.


Right now I am trying another keyboard (PS/2) to confirm that it is not 
a hardware issue. I was planning on bringing up another box under F17, 
but I've got to understand these replies regarding X server first.


Its taking me awhile to get back to this problem and I apologize to all 
if it looks like I've dropped the ball on my end. Plumbing in bathroom 
is taking priority ...


Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

You could also try an F16 or F18 Live CD and see if the problem is
F17-specific...


Problem has not occurred on FC5, F9, F12, F14, or F16. It is only 
showing up now that I kicked one machine to F17. I will consider trying 
F18 Live once its released and I have eliminated the variables of 
keyboard hardware problem or computer problem


Thanks,
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 4:00 PM, Bob Marcan wrote:

It was occured to me on F16 several times.
Killing X restores the keyboard.
Reading this thread tried with holding shift key 20+ seconds restores
too.
It shouldn't be tied to WM, running Fvwm.

BR, Bob


Bob:

Thanks for reply.

Should I interpret Reading this thread tried with holding shift key 20+ 
seconds restores
too. means that in your case (F16), this worked? If so, given that my 
tests with that didn't work, I think I ought to assume its a different 
issue.


But the killing X is the same solution (though now that I had the one 
time it came back after @10-15 minutes I am wondering ...)


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 4:01 PM, JD wrote:


One final, but remote chance - do you have  xorg.conf in /etc/X11 or 
any of it's sub-dirs?
If yes, delete it or rename it, and reboot - it could be the cause by 
loading wrong KB driver.


JD:

Thanks for reply. I took a look and do not see any xorg.conf. That file 
was always a problem for me in the earlier days when it was necessary 
and I really am hoping I don't have to do one now!


There is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-keyboard.conf (or 
something to that effect as I am writing from memory given the Fedora 
box is downstairs and I'm on my upstairs box)


I compared the contents to the one on one of my F16 machines and they 
are the same.


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 4:57 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:





Hi!
I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS , a 
feature to assist the physically impaired. It gets triggered if you 
rest your finger on the shift key for 10 seconds. The kb is not dead, 
but slow. Rest finger in shift 10 seconds again, slow keys turns off. 
 Ways exist to reconfigure, there is a long bug report in the reshot 
bugzilla. I can't send link from this phone,  but you should search . 
You'll find my name );

Pj




Pj:

Thanks for the reply. I have tried all the tests suggested regarding 
slow keys and nothing has come up positive. Multiple times this has 
happened while typing at a speed better than hunt and peck but slower 
than full-on proper touch typing. I'll check out your suggestion with 
a search, but I am more inclined to believe it is related to X as others 
have suggested.


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

2012-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/15/2012 7:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

Paul Johnson pauljoh...@gmail.com writes:

I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS,

That was EXACTLY it for me.


Glad to hear your situation is solved ... I am certain I'll be able to 
figure mine out and post a SOLVED at some point (or at least a I 
understand what it going on ...)


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/13/2012 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:

Does sound suspiciously like a broken keyboard.



Tim:

I'll find out that one when I rotate keyboardsper Ed's suggestion. My 
gut doesn't feel like its the keyboard given the problem showed up only 
when I installed that machine with F17, but I am suspect of the computer 
itself. I'm going to bring a second machine up on F17 to see what happens.


For the record, with the exception of the keyboard, the F17 install was 
one of the easiest moving to the new Fedoras I've had (Xfce)


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/13/2012 12:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:


An excellent idea.  Then, once you find that the new machine works 
fine[1] you can swap keyboards and see if the issue follows the 
keyboard.  Just remember, however, if one of them's PS2 and the 
other's USB, that in itself might be significant.


[1]F17 would never have gotten out of beta with such a big 
show-stopper bug.


Joe:

All keyboards and all computers are PS2, so I won't have that variable. 
And I am already leaning to the problem being on my end, not F17's, now 
that I saw the keyboard rise from the dead after 10-15 minutes.


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 10:28 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 10/10/2012 6:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

When this happens, can you try holding down the shift key for say
15-20seconds? Do you see a notice then about 'slow keys' being disabled
and it starts working again?

kevin



Kevin:

[...]

This test will be the first I will try when I start again tomorrow.

Paul



It behaved all day yesterday and I was into my 7th hour today when, 
finally, it happened again. Top shows no cpu hogging (near idle as far 
as I can see) and /var/log/messages doesn't report anything.


I ran your test and sat on the Shift Key for over a minute. No notices.

Figuring that was that, I ssh-ed into the machine to salvage what I was 
doing before killing the session. That took about 20 minutes and, 
somewhere around the 15th minute when I was mousing in one of the dead 
shells to scroll my history to make sure I had got everything, I 
accidentally brushed a key and, lo and behold, the keyboard was alive. 
Everything that had been typed while testing its dead-ness was not 
there, so all the input was not buffered waiting to be processed (as 
though the characters never made it to the computer).


So now I have to consider that something (be it hardware or software) 
is causing the keyboard to not exist to the computer for an unknown 
period of time. On one of the earlier tests, I waited about 10 minutes 
before killing and hadn't gotten the keyboard back by then.


I will try Ed's idea of a different keyboard, but I do want to ask if 
this new experiment result indicates additional things to consider in 
trying to fix it.


Thanks,
Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 10:44 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
==

The keyboard knows I am getting good help at trying to solve this ... it 
behaved like a champ today. If it doesn't act up through the beginning 
of next week, I will consider that it is a POM issue caused by something 
in my install F17 process that worked itself out.


Once again, thanks to everyone for the suggestions ... I've got them 
ready and waiting when it happens next

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keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Hello:

I am doing my first F17 install on i686 Xfce and, for the most part, 
everything is coming up nicely. However, I am noticing that sometimes 
the keyboard becomes unresponsive. I can't seem to find a reason, it 
just happens. My first sense was that it was a hardware problem.


However, one time I decided to let the session time out so that when I 
had moved the mouse, I got the re-enter passwd dialog box to get back 
to my session. As could be expected, I couldn't type my password in. So 
I tried selecting new user login and, lo and behold, if I clicked on 
myself, it let me enter a password. However, it then immediately went 
back to the re-enter passwd from the session time out and the keyboard 
was dead.


Net result is I find it hard to believe that the hardware is the 
problem. But I can't figure out what would be locking up the keyboard so 
that it would appear dead. I also note that I had multiple windows open 
plus firefox and the keyboard wouldn't work in any of them, so it isn't 
shell based. One time I ran a tail of /var/log/messages and nothing 
showed up in it once the keyboard died and it did give me other standard 
messages when I waited about a half hour to new messages to be flushed 
to the file.


Any ideas about where to start? Everything I spotted online didn't seem 
to relate ... and I am having a hard time figuring out what a good set 
of search terms for this problem is.


Thanks in advance,
Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 05:53 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/10/2012 05:43 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Any ideas about where to start? Everything I spotted online didn't seem
to relate ... and I am having a hard time figuring out what a good set
of search terms for this problem is.


Try opening a terminal and running top in it.  Then, when this happens 
you can look at the terminal and see if something's hogging the cpu.

Joe:

Thanks for prompt reply.

I ran that test earlier but saw pretty much no cpu activity so I didn't 
get the sense I was pegging out at 100%. Forgot to mention in my 
original email, sorry


The mouse and its buttons are totally responsive during this time ... 
its just the keyboard. I even tried unplugging and plugging back in.


I can ssh into the machine from another box and have no problems after 
the keyboard has locked up for the keyboard of that machine. This has 
become my fallback so I can try to get things stable before I restart 
the system. I just realized that I haven't tried using the logout dialog 
to kill that user and then seeing if I can come back in fresh ... next 
test when the failure happens


Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 05:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:


You fail to mention what type of keyboard you have.  PS2, USB, Wireless USB, 
Bluetooth?

I have a Wireless USB that becomes non-responsive from time to time.  
Unplug/plug receiver clears the problem.




Ed:

Thanks for response

PS2, wired.

Given the fact that I was able to type once I selected New login on the 
locked screen dialog and, at the splash for which user to log in as, 
the keyboard works, I figured the keyboard was not the problem.


Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 05:58 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
 I just realized that I haven't tried using the logout dialog to kill 
that user and then seeing if I can come back in fresh ... next test 
when the failure happens


Paul


Just died again and I was able to try this

Using logout dialog to end the session, it allowed me to come back as a 
new user and keyboard was working. Remembered my layout from when I 
logged out (little good that does me)


Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 6:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

When this happens, can you try holding down the shift key for say
15-20seconds? Do you see a notice then about 'slow keys' being disabled
and it starts working again?

kevin



Kevin:

Of course, it decided to work for a long time so I was unable to try it 
(plus I had to vanish for a bit this evening).


This test will be the first I will try when I start again tomorrow.

Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 6:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

I see.   It has been a long time since I've used a wired PS2 keyboard.   
However, when I had a RHELv4 system with a wired PS2 keyboard I noticed that 
the keyboard would become non-responsive if it were unplugged/plugged.  The X 
server would lose connection to it and would not re-establish a connection 
until a logout (which restarts the X server).

Frankly, the first thing I would do is find another keyboard and see if that 
helps.  I may be unique in that I've got an old keyboard on the shelf for 
emergencies.  :-) :-)



Ed:

I've only seen the problem under circumstances when there has been no 
unplug/plug, but your information that X server would not re-establish a 
connection until logout fits what I am seeing.


I've got a couple old keyboards (actually, the one I am using is an old 
keyboard, too).


Once I try Kevin's suggestion of holding down the shift for 15-20 
seconds, I will swap out keyboards and use the one that came with the 
machine (HP)


Thanks,
Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 7:30 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

This would appear to be an instance of a fairly well documented
problem. Bugzilla # 816764. If holding down the shift key does not
work, try toggling Slow Keys in Settings-Accessibility. I've found
that toggle followed by the shift key usually works. But, alas, YMMV.


Geoffrey:

As soon as I can get a failure, this is the first test. I think the 
issue knows I am getting help on trying to figure it out as it decided 
to play nice the rest of the evening (smile)


Paul

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 8:20 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:

It was discused here somtimes about 27.-28.8., You can search 'dead
keyboard' in list archive. It is probably some X server problem.


Frantisek:

Thanks for info. I've found the post and will check it out once I have 
coffee in the morning (my brain turned off about an hour ago)


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 10/10/2012 10:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

OK  I should have pointed out that I am speculating you *may* have a wonky 
wire or connection which results in a momentary disconnect.  I've had several 
of these over they years.  All caused by cats either gnawing on cables or 
ripping them out while playing a game of tag.  :-) :-)


Ed:

Actually, I am speculating that it may be something more interesting. 
4-5 years ago, I got a newer model of my favorite keyboard and it would 
not work with Fedora (either FC5 or F9). I don't have cats to gnaw on 
them and the only tag that get played near the computer is writing html.


The keyboard I like is *old* .. as in 2002. Seeing another keyboard 
behave the same is important.


For what it is worth, the next test will be a serious couple of long 
days on one of my other F16 machines with the keyboard in question. 
Then, I convert that box to F17 and if I see the problem, your sentence 
of X server means alot more to me (or at least in my limited sense of 
vision)


Paul

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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell


[inline]

On 8/16/2012 9:47 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote:


Pretty simple, really, and not that much different from Linux or Unix.
sshd underlies everything; it's wrappered in the magic that's needed for
it to exist as an installed service in Windows by the installation script.

Once installed, just go to Control Panel-Administrative Tools-Services
(or just run services.msc from the command prompt) and look for
ssh--it's either in there as Cygwin ssh or ssh; it's changed over the
years.  In either case, it should be running.


Dave and Bill:

Thanks for the posts. I checked this and when things are working, it is 
there as CYGWIN sshd. I've made note to check this when I get my next 
failure.





As for configuration, from within a Cygwin shell, go to /etc and look at
sshd_config.  You'll find the port set to the default of '22' (although I
*always* change it--just using a non-standard port gets rid of the vast
majority of doorknob rattlers).  I also always add, at the bottom, the
AllowUsers directive.  Again, even fewer options for them to try.


This file looks like the default, so I am assuming this is not a problem




If it doesn't start as a service, look in /var/log (again, from within the
Cygwin environment).


The log is empty ... and I do have this memory of looking in all Cygwin 
log file when the error occurred and seeing nothing. I think I even 
remember this log file being empty. I'm not able to google anything for 
sshd under cygwin that addresses this and Linux sites seem to only show 
a -d for Debug Mode which does alot more than just sending verbose 
output to the log file. Am I missing something? My thought is that I 
want to capture verbose output for a successful run (from turning the XP 
box's power on to a successful ssh to self and one of the Linux boxes) 
to educate myself about what should happen and then leave it in to see 
what I get if there is a problem.


Of course, I've got to figure out where the sshd is for Cygwin / WinXP 
but that is off-topic for a Fedora list.





Cygwin SSH has had its problems over the years, but the recent versions
have been much more reliable in their installation and stable in operation.
Definitely make sure you've the latest.


I really try to only go to the latest Cygwin if I find a necessary 
reason (as opposed to being comfortable going to a new Fedora release 
after the next is released). Mine looks to be @10 months old. If the 
failure happens again and these suggestions give me enough to believe I 
have hit that necessary reason, I'll update.


Thanks again,
Paul

ps: regarding man in a loincloth with feathers in his hair dancing 
around a fire waving a dead chicken, I do keep a jpg of a rubber 
chicken on my Windows box.


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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 8/13/2012 10:34 AM, David G. Miller wrote:



The rules in /etc/sysconfig/iptables are processed sequentially.  When a packet
matches a rule the rule is applied.  ACCEPT rules tell iptables to hand off the
packet to the corresponding service.

# more /etc/sysconfig/iptables
# Generated by iptables-save v1.4.12 on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012
*filter
:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT

The next line in your iptables file is your ACCEPT rule for connections to
port 22.  iptables stops processing the packet and hands it off to sshd at this
point.

-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp --
dport 631
-A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --
dport 631

Here's your logging line.  Since packets coming in to port 22 have already been
handed off to sshd, this rule is never hit for them.

-A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
-A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
-A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
COMMIT
# Completed on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012
[root at yoyo ~]#
+++

I use logging rules like this a lot.  The only thing you need to be careful
about is putting a blanket logging rule too early in your iptables file.  You
can get swamped with too much data really easily.

Cheers,
Dave



Dave:

Thanks for the reply and pointing out what I missed. I remember exactly 
what happened here. I didn't used to have the udp rule so that log would 
be last, but discovered installing the printer added -dport 631 rules 
so, after consulting the list, I cleaned them up but left them where 
they had been added. I can see the hits for the printer in the log.


That being said, I would still expect a failure in tcp to show up in the 
log if they are not accepted in the tcp line as everything that isn't an 
accept should continue being processed until the log and reject?


So, do I gather from this that iptables is accepting the tcp request and 
the problem is happening at sshd (which I also think would make sense if 
I believe that the error is on the receiving cygwin/WinXP machine and 
not on the Fedora box)?


Second question, is there a way to log when something is going to be 
accepted so, when the error crops up again, the iptables will log every 
tcp it accepts (and only tcps it accepts)? I'm trying to figure out how 
to gather enough debug material so when I need it I can get everything I 
need (and, until I understand the problem, potentially more than 
everything)


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possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


Hello:

Up until recently, I have been able to scp/ssh from my F16 box to my 
WinXP under cygwin without problem. Today, it appears that isn't the case.


Last yum update was 29jul12. Cygwin hasn't changed in months (once I 
have something that works I am loathe to update as I don't really get it 
well enough to ride a more bleeding edge)


I can ping both ways but can only scp/ssh from cygwin to F16 (though I 
don't use it, I tested telnet and got the same results). I swapped in my 
log all problems version of iptables on the F16 box and can see that 
it is logging errors and I see the following:


+++
Aug 11 23:43:43 yoyo kernel: [ 779.725071] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 
SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=229 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 
ID=33554 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=209
Aug 11 23:43:48 yoyo kernel: [ 785.386501] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 
SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=234 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 
ID=33555 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=214

+++

I did a google but this information is pretty much Greek to me so I 
didn't find anything because I didn't understand how to find something


My big question is any suggestions? There is a second minor issue 
about is there a way to force iptables to immediately flush a message to 
the log file as I had to wait about 10 minutes to get something.


Thank in advance,
Paul
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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet --- additional info

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 8/11/2012 11:59 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Hello:

Up until recently, I have been able to scp/ssh from my F16 box to my 
WinXP under cygwin without problem. Today, it appears that isn't the 
case.


Last yum update was 29jul12. Cygwin hasn't changed in months (once I 
have something that works I am loathe to update as I don't really get 
it well enough to ride a more bleeding edge)


I can ping both ways but can only scp/ssh from cygwin to F16 (though I 
don't use it, I tested telnet and got the same results). I swapped in 
my log all problems version of iptables on the F16 box and can see 
that it is logging errors and I see the following:


+++
Aug 11 23:43:43 yoyo kernel: [ 779.725071] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 
SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=229 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 
ID=33554 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=209
Aug 11 23:43:48 yoyo kernel: [ 785.386501] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 
SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=234 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 
ID=33555 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=214

+++

I did a google but this information is pretty much Greek to me so I 
didn't find anything because I didn't understand how to find something


My big question is any suggestions? There is a second minor issue 
about is there a way to force iptables to immediately flush a message 
to the log file as I had to wait about 10 minutes to get something.


Thank in advance,
Paul


Of course, after sending this I realized that it might be helpful if I 
sent a copy of my iptables, sorry for not having that thought before I 
sent the initial email (groan)


+++
[root@yoyo ~]# more /etc/sysconfig/iptables
# Generated by iptables-save v1.4.12 on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012
*filter
:INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp --
dport 631
-A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --
dport 631
-A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix IPTABLES: LOG REJECT 
-A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
-A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
COMMIT
# Completed on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012
[root@yoyo ~]#
+++



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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 8/12/2012 12:31 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/12/2012 02:59 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Hello:

Up until recently, I have been able to scp/ssh from my F16 box to my WinXP 
under cygwin without problem. Today, it appears that isn't the case.

Last yum update was 29jul12. Cygwin hasn't changed in months (once I have 
something that works I am loathe to update as I don't really get it well enough to ride a 
more bleeding edge)

I can ping both ways but can only scp/ssh from cygwin to F16 (though I don't use it, I 
tested telnet and got the same results). I swapped in my log all problems 
version of iptables on the F16 box and can see that it is logging errors and I see the 
following:

+++
Aug 11 23:43:43 yoyo kernel: [ 779.725071] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 
LEN=229 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=33554 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=209
Aug 11 23:43:48 yoyo kernel: [ 785.386501] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 
LEN=234 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=33555 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=214
+++

I did a google but this information is pretty much Greek to me so I didn't find 
anything because I didn't understand how to find something

My big question is any suggestions? There is a second minor issue about is 
there a way to force iptables to immediately flush a message to the log file as I had to 
wait about 10 minutes to get something.



When you say you tested telnet, did you mean you did something like this?

telnet cyghost 22   for checking the ssh connection?   Did you get any 
errorsor did it just hang?

FWIW, the log messages just mean netbios packets are being blocked.



Ed:

Thanks for the prompt reply. I got the same message for telnet as I did 
for ssh and scp. And, as I re-read my email, I managed to not report 
that message (I actually did, but that was before I got a log message 
and it apparently got wiped out when I reworded from nothing in 
/var/log/messages to I got something.


I just powered my F16 box back on and did a ssh/telnet/scp. The message is

+++
[ssh,scp,telnet]: connect to host krazy port 22: Connection refused
+++

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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell

On 8/12/2012 12:45 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/12/2012 03:40 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for the prompt reply. I got the same message for telnet as I did for ssh and scp. And, as I
re-read my email, I managed to not report that message (I actually did, but that was before I got a
log message and it apparently got wiped out when I reworded from nothing in
/var/log/messages to I got something.

I just powered my F16 box back on and did a ssh/telnet/scp. The message is

+++
[ssh,scp,telnet]: connect to host krazy port 22: Connection refused
+++

That normally means that the port is open on the remote side (krazy being your
cygwin host) but that the server is not running.

If you open a Cygwin terminal on krazywhat do you get when you type

ssh localhost

Ed:

I send the result with a bit of oh, that's interesting though I wish I
understood ...

+++
Paul@krazy ~
$ ssh localhost
ssh: connect to lost localhost port 22: Connection refused
Paul@krazy ~
+++

My memory of all this sort of stuff is that I should be able to ssh from
myself to myself on any machine. My sense is that something has happened
on the Cygwin and/or Windows end which has denied me the necessary
self-referential loop from me to me?

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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 8/12/2012 12:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/12/2012 03:50 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I send the result with a bit of oh, that's interesting though I wish I 
understood ...

+++
Paul@krazy ~
$ ssh localhost
ssh: connect to lost localhost port 22: Connection refused
Paul@krazy ~
+++

My memory of all this sort of stuff is that I should be able to ssh from myself 
to myself on any machine. My sense is that something has happened on the Cygwin 
and/or Windows end which has denied me the necessary self-referential loop from 
me to me?

Yes, you should be able to ssh to yourself just like you should be able to ping 
yourself.

I'd be checking krazy to see why the ssh daemon isn't running.  It surly isn't 
a Fedora issue.


Ed:

The majority of what is me thanks you for isolating it to the cygwin 
side and not the Fedora side. The minority of what is me is cursing 
because that's a black hole as far as I am concerned.


Oh well, I guess I have to learn enough to not make it a black hole.

Thanks for your prompt help to let me know where I need to dig.

Signing off for the night as this is a problem that needs to be done in 
the day and not started at 1:00am my time


Thanks!
Paul
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Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell



On 8/12/2012 4:54 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/12/2012 07:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:



Whatever you say

I look forward to your helping the OP to resolve his problem.



Ed:

What's interesting is I have not gotten any postings from Reindl so I 
have no idea what he has posted except through your replies. I've 
noticed that every now and then I will get a bunch of emails from Reindl 
to the list and they are a day or two old.


Oh well.

It was a bad idea to go to sleep and come back today. Everything is 
working now (of course!)


However, I dug through all of my notes and can find at least two other 
times where this happened and it was able to resolve itself via reboots, 
Windows disk cleanup, POM, whatever).


I have just spent an hour trying to reproduce and can't do it. My naive 
guess is that something gets flagged no on the Windows side (whether 
it is Windows or cygwin is unclear) and some action causes that to get 
flagged yes. And that is based on a total lack of knowledge about how 
things are being handled in cygwin/Windows ... except that it appears to 
be different as it is a Windows box, after all.


I fired off an email to the cygwin list to see if anyone there has any clue.

If anyone on this list has any ideas, I am more than willing to try. 
That being said, I cannot reproduce the error and may have to wait 
however long for it to want to show itself again.


Thanks for getting me focused on the right side of connection

Paul
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