Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of speech is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same paragraph. No one's interested in staying within your little box and waiting for you to give them a permission slip to have an idea. Non-commercial doesn't h

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
n the NetBeans codebase is somewhere between $100-$300/hour, depending on the developer's location. -- Eirik From: Ashton Hogan Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:04 AM To: "us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org" , Bertrand Delacretaz Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans! In theory

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
7 March 2018, 15:08:37 GMT, José J. Rodriguez wrote: Ashton Hogan wrote: > > ... look at your > competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing > capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! > Simple as that. Follo

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying dependencies? Answer: NO ONE On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wi

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
nd it's WORKING! Simple as that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and stick around. Truth hurts. On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:21:58 GMT, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:05 Ashton Hogan wrote: Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed busines

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been bought out by CanYa On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:01:20 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like > Bountys

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
n Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've > seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this > policy... The Apache model is not for all projects but you might ha

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
. Whereas with a license, for example, I know that EVERYONE is buying one so I feel like my money is going to a company that will grow and not just die out tomorrow On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 11:35:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ashton Hogan wr

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
-) ] that the issues that you find will not receive a very high priority. Gj   On 7 Mar 2018 10:48, "Ashton Hogan" wrote: Maybe you're right. I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperfo

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
llowing step by step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help prepare Apache NetBeans for its first official release. Gj On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan wrote: True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to competito

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
oney takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...) Jean-Michel On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote: What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of assigning the righ

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown. --Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan wrote: I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it! On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Thanks for th

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-06 Thread Ashton Hogan
., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something like that, in exchange for money. Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all. Gj On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: Hi all Lik

Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-06 Thread Ashton Hogan
Hi all Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell licenses as well as offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel gu