RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-16 Thread Hoover, William
: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam Hmm... some time ago (approx 1,5 year ) was attempts to marry JBoss Seam and Wicket. Was it successful? May be this is an example, why wicket should to be treated as a standard? Oleg On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Hoover, William whoo...@nemours.orgwrote

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-16 Thread Hoover, William
Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From a developers point-of-view standardization can often be a thorn in our side, but for management it can offer a vendor-independent/implementation-independent solution. Maintaining/upgrading infrastructure is difficult, expensive

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-16 Thread cpopetz
, February 13, 2009 4:05 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam Hmm... some time ago (approx 1,5 year ) was attempts to marry JBoss Seam and Wicket. Was it successful? May be this is an example, why wicket should to be treated as a standard? Oleg

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-16 Thread Hoover, William
Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From a developers point-of-view standardization can often be a thorn in our side, but for management it can offer a vendor-independent/implementation-independent solution. Maintaining/upgrading infrastructure is difficult, expensive

Wicket and standardization (was: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam)

2009-02-16 Thread Erik van Oosten
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Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Martijn Dashorst
: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I totally agree that the JSR process is horrid. However, Wicket could really use some more corporate credibility (which a JSR would provide). The problem, I guess is that there are simply no corporate interests behind Wicket that would push the agenda

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Johan Compagner
for something like this :( -Original Message- From: tomlist0...@gmail.com [mailto:tomlist0...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Mäder Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:57 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I totally agree

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Christopher Armstrong
Hi all I'm new to this list (and Wicket), and was interested in this discussion. On 12/02/2009, at 11:32 PM, Hoover, William wrote: Just out of curiosity... Are there any plans to push a JSR that Wicket could follow. I think there would be a lot more acceptance of Wicket if this was to

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread francisco treacy
[mailto:tomlist0...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Mäder Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:57 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I totally agree that the JSR process is horrid. However, Wicket could really use some more corporate

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Hoover, William
source code they represent :o) -Original Message- From: Johan Compagner [mailto:jcompag...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:10 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam and what would a wicket standard give you? Except that those idiotic

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Dave Schoorl
I am not sure what you would like to standardize. Given your JPA example, I would guess that you want to push a JSR for a web framework or something. But there is already something like that: JSF. Just let Wicket be Wicket and instead of changing Wicket (and it's community) in the wrong way,

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread francisco treacy
Compagner [mailto:jcompag...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:10 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam and what would a wicket standard give you? Except that those idiotic managers then say its standardized.. now you can use it why

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Johan Compagner
From a developers point-of-view standardization can often be a thorn in our side, but for management it can offer a vendor-independent/implementation-independent solution. Maintaining/upgrading infrastructure is difficult, expensive and time consuming. From the point-of-view of management a

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Jan Kriesten
Hi, I can't really think of any specification which would make sense to build - there is just no need for that IMHO. If managers need something like that - there's JSF. And knowledge is growing that JSF isn't the ultimate answer. There are other open source projects embraced by managers as well

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Hoover, William
necessary intended to imply that anyone would not be open-minded if they did not support a JSR :o) -Original Message- From: Dave Schoorl [mailto:mailli...@cyber-d.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:21 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I am

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Thomas Mäder
Unfortunately, those 'idiotic managers' (and I'm not disagreeing with you) hold the purse strings. The move to Apache was a big step towards acceptance by the business types. If you try to sell a new technology with a weird name to your manager, it's not helping that there are just some guys from

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Hoover, William
First of all, thank you for entertaining this idea :o) See comments below... -Original Message- From: Johan Compagner [mailto:jcompag...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:38 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Johan Compagner
[mailto:jcompag...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:38 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From a developers point-of-view standardization can often be a thorn in our side, but for management it can offer a vendor-independent

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Hoover, William
Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam swing like? are there multiply implementations for swing? Can i choose one from Sun and one from X? or better said are there any desktop UI frameworks that do have multiply implementations (for the same platform??) not that i know of . There could

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Dave Schoorl
the push... I didn't necessary intended to imply that anyone would not be open-minded if they did not support a JSR :o) -Original Message- From: Dave Schoorl [mailto:mailli...@cyber-d.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:21 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Oleg Taranenko
for entertaining this idea :o) See comments below... -Original Message- From: Johan Compagner [mailto:jcompag...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:38 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From a developers point-of-view

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-13 Thread Igor Vaynberg
: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam From a developers point-of-view standardization can often be a thorn in our side, but for management it can offer a vendor-independent/implementation-independent solution. Maintaining/upgrading infrastructure is difficult, expensive and time

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Hoover, William
: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:33 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam We're happy to announce a lot of Wicket involvement at the upcoming ApacheCon in Amsterdam (23-27 March 2009) First of all we have 2 training sessions available: - Introduction

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Johan Compagner
at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam We're happy to announce a lot of Wicket involvement at the upcoming ApacheCon in Amsterdam (23-27 March 2009) First of all we have 2 training sessions available: - Introduction to Wicket by Martijn Dashorst on Mon 23 March (http://tinyurl.com/aceu09wicket1

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Thomas Mäder
Message- From: martijn.dasho...@gmail.com [mailto:martijn.dasho...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Martijn Dashorst Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:33 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam We're happy to announce a lot of Wicket involvement

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Johan Compagner
if this was to happen :o) -Original Message- From: martijn.dasho...@gmail.com [mailto:martijn.dasho...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Martijn Dashorst Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:33 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam We're happy to announce a lot

RE: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Hoover, William
, 2009 12:57 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I totally agree that the JSR process is horrid. However, Wicket could really use some more corporate credibility (which a JSR would provide). The problem, I guess is that there are simply no corporate

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Igor Vaynberg
for something like this :( -Original Message- From: tomlist0...@gmail.com [mailto:tomlist0...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Mäder Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:57 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam I totally agree

Re: Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-12 Thread Thomas Mäder
I guess there are advantages to being a committer ;-) But I maintain, Wicket is well established on the technical front, but it could use a push on the corporate side. Of course, I'm now waiting for the inrush of offers to prove me wrong ;-) Thomas On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Johan

Wicket at ApacheCon EU'09 in Amsterdam

2009-02-11 Thread Martijn Dashorst
We're happy to announce a lot of Wicket involvement at the upcoming ApacheCon in Amsterdam (23-27 March 2009) First of all we have 2 training sessions available: - Introduction to Wicket by Martijn Dashorst on Mon 23 March (http://tinyurl.com/aceu09wicket1) - Behavior-Driving Your Apache Wicket