Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 09:34 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: Now to see what sort of DMARC notifications (if any) I get for this reply. I have received four DMARC auth-failure notifications (thus far) in response to my message to the SpamAssassin Users mailing list. It looks like the reports are indicating

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 08:43 AM, Bill Cole wrote: Note that changing the From header would break all DKIM signatures and forcing a Reply-To would break many. That's where validating & striping DKIM signatures as the message enters the list comes into play. Preferably followed up with DKIM signing as

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread RW
On Wed, 30 May 2018 11:45:12 -0600 Grant Taylor wrote: > On 05/30/2018 09:34 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > Now to see what sort of DMARC notifications (if any) I get for this > > reply. > > I have received four DMARC auth-failure notifications (thus far) in > response to my message to the

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 30 May 2018, at 13:54, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing movement there in. I think I've seen some references to

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 14:47 (-0400), Charles Sprickman wrote: All email clients “generally suck”. Thunderbird is not even actively developed anymore last I checked, Check again. That's not been true for quite a while. I just dusted off TBird for the first time in 2 years and was treated to an

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 12:47 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: If I had a better option than some old command-line mess, I’d use it. Every 3-4 years I go on a hunt for a new Mac mail client and I always come up empty. I’ve tried MailMate, Thunderbird, Postbox and just keep coming back to the (neglected)

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: > Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and > open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing movement there > in. I think I've seen some references to projects to resurrect the code base >

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread RW
On Wed, 30 May 2018 12:47:42 -0600 Grant Taylor wrote: > On 05/30/2018 12:08 PM, RW wrote: > > SPF passes on the rewritten envelope address, so it's not aligned > > and it's just a matter of whether there's an aligned dkim pass. > > It depends on what the Forensic Report ("fo") option is set

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 12:08 PM, RW wrote: SPF passes on the rewritten envelope address, so it's not aligned and it's just a matter of whether there's an aligned dkim pass. It depends on what the Forensic Report ("fo") option is set to in the published DMARC policy. Domain owners / record publishers

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On May 30, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Bill Cole > wrote: > > On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >>> On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: >>> > On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR -

Re: spamcannibal DNSBL issue

2018-05-30 Thread Noel Butler
On 30/05/2018 17:37, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > Hello, > > it seems that spamcannibal blacklist is dead, or at least its DNS has > expired: > > Domain Name: SPAMCANNIBAL.ORG > Updated Date: 2018-05-30T03:16:26Z > Name Server: NS1.RENEWYOURNAME.NET > Name Server: NS2.RENEWYOURNAME.NET > >

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 30 May 2018, at 14:30, Bill Cole wrote: And if you can imagine this, both Thunderbird and MailMate choke on large mailboxes *even more* than Mail.app does. I haven't had MM "choke" on large mailboxes in recent years. I wish Benny would just declare a 2.0 release to make it clear that MM

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 17:19 (-0400), Luis E. Muñoz wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 13:54, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 04:02 PM, RW wrote: OK, but when you said "The failure seems to be a result of how DMARC amalgamates the two with published policies" I thought you were claiming some kind of anomalous behaviour. Ah. Sorry for the confusion. It's surely obvious that rewriting the envelope

Re: List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-05-30 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the > poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Because that is the only right way. A list manager has no business modifying the contents of posted messages. It

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Axb
On 05/30/2018 07:59 AM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: You prefer the blind-fold solution: the Microsoft way where you click click and click again here and there and feel good that you have solved the problem. Unfortunately it does not work that way. We blacklisted Microsoft IPs without RDNS, out of

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Rupert Gallagher
You prefer the blind-fold solution: the Microsoft way where you click click and click again here and there and feel good that you have solved the problem. Unfortunately it does not work that way. We blacklisted Microsoft IPs without RDNS, out of evidence, while Zen has them whitelisted out of

spamcannibal DNSBL issue

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Hello, it seems that spamcannibal blacklist is dead, or at least its DNS has expired: Domain Name: SPAMCANNIBAL.ORG Updated Date: 2018-05-30T03:16:26Z Name Server: NS1.RENEWYOURNAME.NET Name Server: NS2.RENEWYOURNAME.NET and, of course: 114.95.168.62.bl.spamcannibal.org. 86385 IN A

rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
Silly question or not, here goes: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? -- Palvelin.fi Hostmaster postmas...@palvelin.fi

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? most probably, yes. However, not by your bayes,

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Rupert Gallagher
What happens when your coitus with Spamhaus is interrupted by a man in the middle? I mean someone that either cuts your link or plays the role of your partner while delivering poisoned answers? Good luck...

[Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly and DMARC failures occur when posting to list. Not very elegant.

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? On 30 May 2018, at 15:21, Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 15:21, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: >> I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate >> spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and >> if so, should I do

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >> Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly > > get a mail client that supports mailing lists. Mozilla should do. I see, the 'Mozzilla or stfu' policy ;D >> and

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > > On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas > > wrote: > > > > On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >> Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly > > > > get a mail client that supports mailing lists.

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Alex Woick
Palvelin Postmaster schrieb am 30.05.2018 um 14:49: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly and DMARC failures occur when posting to list. Not very elegant.

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? because it's the standard behaviour. Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly get a mail client that

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone > wrote: > > On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >>> On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Hitting reply sends the response to poster

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Hitting reply sends

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Axb
On 05/30/2018 02:35 PM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: What happens when your coitus with Spamhaus is interrupted by a man in the middle? I mean someone that either cuts your link or plays the role of your partner while delivering poisoned answers? Good luck... doesn't happen. I only use lists which

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 8:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? 1. Traditional standard practice. Doing otherwise in either case would offend more people than sticking with the

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 10:25, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 30.05.18 15:49,