On 9/10/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't used an Eclipse plugin for maven since the command line
version works really well and my previous experiences with mevenide
were less than ok (talking about 2 years ago!)
Martijn
there seem to be a new
maven maven maven, that is if all developers all over the world knows what
maven is. Ant was what i first knew until i started hearing maven and infact
it was mainly because of wicket that i learnt maven early before a netbeans
module came out.
so really not all developers will have some patience
no one is asking anyone here to become a maven guru. All we are asking
is that they use it to generate a quickstart project, which simply
involves following the directions.
-igor
On 9/11/07, Ayodeji Aladejebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
maven maven maven, that is if all developers all over the
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no one is asking anyone here to become a maven guru. All we are asking
is that they use it to generate a quickstart
at least i see a lot of maven related issues on the forum, not that maven is
not perfect but some starters who dont know it well may think there is
some big stuff about any issue they may have when setting it up and setting
up sample projects. today I have a plugin build (not fully stable) that
11, 2007 9:27:55 AM
Subject: Re: First Day Disgust!
at least i see a lot of maven related issues on the forum, not that maven is
not perfect but some starters who dont know it well may think there is
some big stuff about any issue they may have when setting it up and setting
up sample projects
On 9/11/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are absolutely correct: lots of issues with Maven all the time and it
would be really beneficial if various Lets Get Started tutorials do not
rely on that and rely on Ant only to do everything they need to do.
Ideally all the
University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
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On 9/11/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You
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I will try to cut some time to do that.
Cheers!
Eelco
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no one is asking anyone here to become a maven guru. All we are asking
is that they use it to generate a quickstart project, which simply
involves following the directions.
-igor
On 9/11/07, Ayodeji
On 9/11/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ generate ant build file to compile project and start jetty. That will make
me happy as a lark :)
I like Maven's idea and promise but implementation is not that great to my
taste
Then maybe Ant + Ivy would be good. Though
I think the examples should include dependencies as possible. If
there are license restrictions, include the download links in the
README. That said, why does it *really* matter? I don't have maven
installed, and I've never had any issues with wicket whatsoever. I
haven't tried to
to the
sources and it is easy to modify repository host if necessary.
Konstantin Ignatyev
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You could also look at how qwicket uses ant+maven tasks to build a system.
The maven tasks handle downloading dependencies and ant does everything
else. I know
(though people might argue that we could even replace logging with JDK
logging)
don't even think about it :D
regards, --- jan.
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It is absurd. You can deploy your web application wherever you want.
Thanks for explaining the most esoteric aspect of web applications. Perhaps
no one knew it so far :-) . Well, it's not your fault either since this
thread has grown out of proportions, and it's not easy to read all message.
Behind chickabee's attempt to provoke the Wicket community (which Eelco has
commendably resisted) lies a real message, namely that there are so many web
frameworks out there, that people only have enough time to kick the tyres
before deciding which one to use, and therefore first impressions are
so far i have heard a bunch of bitching but very little in the way of
concrete suggestions.
what are we to provide? a prebuilt project for eclipse? a prebuilt project
for netbeans? a prebuilt project for idea? a prebuilt project for jedit? a
prebuilt project for ant? a prebuilt project for make?
This is one reason that ruby on rails has taken off--the combination of
Instant Rails and Active Record makes it the easiest framework to get a
fully database-enabled application up and running.
Wicket has done a great job of making it easy to get up and running, but
there is always more to
Not to mention IDEA 7M2 (or even versions before that) can read a
maven pom, and use that directly. Netbeans also has a maven plugin
that does that (took me 1 minute to discover and less to install the
plugin).
I haven't used an Eclipse plugin for maven since the command line
version works really
On 9/10/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so far i have heard a bunch of bitching but very little in the way of
concrete suggestions.
what are we to provide? a prebuilt project for eclipse? a prebuilt project
for netbeans? a prebuilt project for idea? a prebuilt project for jedit? a
On 9/10/07, JulianS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
This is one reason that ruby on rails has taken off--the combination of
Instant Rails and Active Record makes it the easiest framework to get a
fully database-enabled application up and running.
snip
Julian
But the thing is, if someone
what are we to provide? a prebuilt project for eclipse? a prebuilt project
for netbeans? a prebuilt project for idea? a prebuilt project for jedit? a
prebuilt project for ant? a prebuilt project for make? a prebuilt project
for buildr? a prebuilt project for foo?
i want Igors Special Build
chickabee wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
I tried wicket today and the example application was up and running on
tomcat in no time, so that was the good part, after that if I like to create
a sample application on my own then I found no easy way to start.
Examples are good to browse through and tell
and Java web applications (what is a war, what is a web.xml file).
Wicket, being component based, has great appeal for people with
non-web GUI experience only.
You're right about that. I included a link to a primer on Java web
applications in the Wiki
Hi Wicketers,
No doubt you guys are a vibrant community. It was nice listening to all the
rant and raves and jitters and it is even more exciting to see some positive
action on this small but important issue.
I am for Wicket, so I criticized it to make it even more widely adaptable,
because
On Sunday, September 9, 2007, 8:55:35 AM, chickabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I looked into Maven and did all the Quick-Start exercise, I have the
application up and running using Maven. Quick Start has following obvious
flaws:
1. It is based on Maven. (I am not apache community with 25
All the opinions above are my own; not the wicket community,
not the developers of wicket. I really, really wish that
users of open source software would show more respect to
the developers who put so much time and effort into the
products that those users use, however.
I second this.
On 9/9/07, chickabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. It is based on Maven. (I am not apache community with 25 projects
running
in parallel, I just want to make a small app using wicket. Maven is
overkill).
so write a quick ant script. the generated project itself has no
dependencies on maven
oh yeah, netbeans to the rescue!
btw, tim and i have been good friends since the 4th grade.
Ayodeji Aladejebi wrote:
hey chickabee,
am concerned for people like you and what you are missing so i have
decided
to help you so you wont find yourself in some
my help only works if you use
A maven archetype is really helpful and the quickstart guide is good
but for me personally I would rather see the documentation
restructured a bit. The thing I miss is a small text explaining what
the different JAR-files actually contain. Something like this (pardon
my english, it is not my native
I hate to say it, but I'll do it anyway:
It is a wiki so if you think something is
missing/incomplete/incorrect/needs restructuring... log on and make it
better! Not only will you benefit from the change, but the rest of the
community will have a better life too!
As for the component
I know i'm a little late on this thread, but as the author of qwicket, i
take particular issue with saying because it's glued with hibernate and
spring that it's no good. The express purpose of qwicket is to create a
template for spring/hibernate/wicket based applications. So if it's no good
Totally agree.
I like to understand what is going on so I created a 'sandbox' type project
in Netbeans, manually referenced the wicket libraries, created the
application and webpage class with related HTML, and the Web.xml. I was up
and running in under an hour. The application runs on Tomcat
Welcome,
If you want to start a blank project, try:
$ mvn archetype:create -DarchetypeGroupId=org.apache.wicket
-DarchetypeArtifactId=wicket-archetype-quickstart
-DarchetypeVersion=1.3.0-beta3
-DgroupId=com.mycompany
-DartifactId=myproject
$ cd myproject
$ more pom.xml
what a complement
chickabee wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
I tried wicket today and the example application was up and running on
tomcat in no time, so that was the good part, after that if I like to
create
a sample application on my own then I found no easy way to start.
Examples are
hi,
the problem is, that many to be users aren't that deep into oo programming as
expected. also, people trying out wicket don't come from a maven background but
maybe from plain jsp or other frameworks - or even php.
$ mvn archetype:create -DarchetypeGroupId=org.apache.wicket
Thanks for providing me the primer on web applications and Ant and for not
trying to understand what point I am trying to make here.
Yes, we are not dealing with nuclear science here and Yes again wicket is
just another web application, Did someone disagree with that. I hope not.
Once you are
chickabee wrote:
Once you are out in the market to try the new webapps then it always makes
sense to have people be able to get up and running on the basics w/o efforts
and not to have to deal with tricks necessary to get basic app to work.
I absolutely agree.
Install Maven 2 (takes five
I totally agree with Jan.
There's no black magic occurring around Wicket, and the best way to go
for a newbie may be to simply create a new web project in Eclipse WTP or
Netbeans, drop wicket.jar, log4j.jar, and slf4j-log4j.jar (if you're
using wicket1.3), and follow HelloWorld sample from
Igor Vaynberg wrote:
-igor
On 9/8/07, C. Bergström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chickabee wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
snip /
-Thumbs Down to Wicket!
Patches welcome (:
we dont want a build.xml contribution. we can write one ourselves if need
be. we are simply not
http://www.sonatype.com/book/introduction.html#why_not_just_use_ant
On 9/8/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we dont want a build.xml contribution. we can write one ourselves if need
be. we are simply not interested in maintaining yet another way to build
wicket.
-igor
On
On Saturday, September 8, 2007, 2:00:32 PM, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, there is nothing special about Ant and wicket is very easy to
set up and the dependencies needed are kind of explained somewhere.
But I keep seing requests for information from newbies (such as
myself) answered
On 9/8/07, chickabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
I tried wicket today and the example application was up and running on
tomcat in no time, so that was the good part, after that if I like to create
a sample application on my own then I found no easy way to start.
Examples are
eelco you have fallen off your horse already?
-igor
On 9/8/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/8/07, chickabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
I tried wicket today and the example application was up and running on
tomcat in no time, so that was the good part,
On 9/8/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
eelco you have fallen off your horse already?
I guess, sorry. Let me get back on again :)
Eelco
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Thanks for providing me the primer on web applications and Ant and for
not
trying to understand what point I am trying to make here.
Yes, we are not dealing with nuclear science here and Yes again wicket
is
just another
As soon as I finish my work of testing some frameworks, this could be within
two weeks I can write some demo app with simple explanation taking more
didactic aproach :-) just let me know to whom I can send it, and the format
of the wiki.
Put it on the WIKI or e.g. blog about it please. I'm
.
Robo
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what you all seem to not be able to comprehend is that applications DO
NOT
come in a WAR layout. the war file is packaged together by combining
different things
.
Confrontation at this thread is just useless ...
Robo
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Thanks for providing me the primer on web applications and Ant
It will Igor, just go on ...
Robo
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i would if that made any sense...
-igor
On 08 Sep 2007 22:52:05 +0200 (CEST), Robo wrote:
Sorry Igor. I pack wicket
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http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/20/flowchart-is-it-fcke.html
^ somehow seems appropriate to this thread
-igor
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i would if that made any sense...
-igor
On 08 Sep 2007 22:52:05 +0200 (CEST), Robo wrote:
Sorry Igor. I pack wicket app, simple wicket demo app, very well in
WAR
layout
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It will Igor, just go on ...
Robo
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i would if that made any sense...
-igor
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i would if that made any sense...
-igor
On 08 Sep 2007 22:52:05 +0200 (CEST), Robo wrote:
Sorry Igor. I pack wicket app, simple wicket demo app, very well in
WAR
layout
of respect and honesty to wicket newcomers, and also
understand why there are their needs and be abowe the matter , would help
you ... Yet another useless atack ... teacher ...
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On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 23:07 +0200, Robo wrote:
May be a little bit of respect and honesty to wicket newcomers, and also
understand why there are their needs and be abowe the matter , would help you
... Yet another useless atack ... teacher ...
I am not one of the core developers, but have
With all due respect:
On 9/8/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do note however, that we presume basic knowledge of Java programming
...fair enough...
and Java web applications (what is a war, what is a web.xml file).
Wicket, being component based, has great appeal for people with
do my homework for me now or i will continue mock your miserable web
framework!
it seems probable that this won't make you many friends.
chickabee wrote:
Hi Wicketers,
I tried wicket today and the example application was up and running on
tomcat in no time, so that was the good part,
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