Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-28 Thread Jason Novotny
My best experiences have been when the designer has full reign to do what they need on the CSS/HTML front on a blank canvas-- obviously after doing wireframes with something like OmniGraffle, Balsamiq or Fireworks. It helps if they add things like static error messages or a highlighted

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Martin Makundi
I would just give the artist the freedom to do what ever he wants... and then just refactor what's necessary afterwards. ** Martin 2009/10/27 Ashley Aitken mrhat...@mac.com: Hi All, Just a quick question. Can someone please provide some pointers to Wicket-specific or general CSS

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread John Armstrong
I wouldn't do it. The churn of implementing a UI before its designed is huge. In my opinion your better off watching cartoons for the month it takes the UI to be developed because you'll most likely waste that month trying to adapt your UI implementation to the reality of what is developed by the

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Ashley Aitken
Thanks Martin and John. I realise that most projects start with Web/GUI storyboards and perhaps even fully graphically designed pages and then add the dynamic stuff. However, I think my situation is somewhat the reverse. I want to design the logical interface myself, header, footers,

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread John Armstrong
It makes sense what you are asking and it can be done. If you logically construct your div structure and liberally apply divs/spans so that your eventually CSS implementor can uniquely address any element on the page. More spans/divs will be better. For example, if you have an area of the page

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread John Armstrong
Oh and don't use an automated tool. It'll add far too much extraneous noise to your files that will complicate the CSS skinning you are after later. Hand code it and then move it around in CSS by hand. This is my opinion. I know our CSS team hates it when someone sends them something done in a

RE: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Corbin, James
to this question, its what works best for you and your company. Regards, J.D. -Original Message- From: Ashley Aitken [mailto:mrhat...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ... Thanks Martin

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Ashley Aitken
Thank you all. So it seems what I am trying to do is not completely impractical. Perhaps though I could let them edit the HTML files as well (as long as they maintain the logical / hierarchical structure I guess). I just wanted to make it easier for them to do things consistently

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Dave B
thought CSS styles would be the way to go. Oh, you should definitely use CSS and web standards based markup. You should be able to apply the most basic style to it yourself so you can get the functionality going. Google 3 column layout or something similar for a basic css based layout. While

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread John Armstrong
Its amazing what designers can screw up :) Design can have a huge impact on code. This peaceful co-existence can really only occur if you let the designers go first. If you start with wicket you will either A) tell your designers to go to h*ll daily or B) spend hours and hours re-factoring to

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Igor Vaynberg
really? because we have quiet the opposite experience. we take a wireframe prototype, build it, and have the designer go in afterwards and pretty it up. with only a couple of hours of wicket-related training the designers know what to touch and what not to touch. -igor On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread John Armstrong
Totally divergent now but its an interesting topic. We segment our Designers, HTML implementors and Java developers. Thats probably the key difference. Our designers work in photoshop or illustrator to pretty exacting requirements. This lets us contract out design work to a variety of firms

Re: Wicket HTML before graphics design with CSS ...

2009-10-27 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Ashley Aitken mrhat...@mac.com wrote: Hi Igor (et al.), On 28/10/2009, at 12:21 PM, Igor Vaynberg wrote: we take a wireframe prototype, build it, and have the designer go in afterwards and pretty it up. Great, that is what I was hoping for. Any tips on