Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Reinhard Nissl
Hi, Am 26.12.2012 15:54, schrieb Manuel Reimer: I think that we should keep the possibility to configure highlevel plugin options from a central place like plugins.conf just as Make.config did up to VDR-1.7.33. What is your plan? Do you want to build plugins the old way inside the VDR source

Re: [vdr] [ANNOUNCE] VDR developer version 1.7.34

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 26.12.2012 22:28, Udo Richter wrote: ...(or returning to 1.7.31 where editing recordings doesn't take forever.) If you want to use your hardlink cutter with recent versions of VDR, you could simply patch out the calls to DanglingPacketStripper.Process(), GetPendingPackets() and

[vdr] Positioner and multi-tuner setup?

2012-12-27 Thread Antti Hartikainen
Hi. I would want to somehow configure VDR to use positioner (H-H motor) and dual tuner setup, to receive two transponders from same source at one time. My current hardware setup is: TechnoTrend S2-6400 dual tuner DVB-S2 with H/W decoder, H-H motor and a quad LNB. I'm using diseqc commands in

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 26.12.2012 20:19, Udo Richter wrote: ... Oh, and by the way, with introducing $(CWD) some previously relative paths got hard coded, so moving these builds around or accessing them from different mount points might now be broken. For example, my default lib dir changed from ./PLUGINS/lib to

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Manuel Reimer
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: ...still considering what to do with the plugin configuration stuff. Currently I tend to put a plgcfg entry into vdr.pc, since apparently everybody wants this to be somewhere else. I'm just glad Linux distribution managers don't build cars - otherwise we would most

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 27.12.2012 17:22, Manuel Reimer wrote: Klaus Schmidinger wrote: ...still considering what to do with the plugin configuration stuff. Currently I tend to put a plgcfg entry into vdr.pc, since apparently everybody wants this to be somewhere else. I'm just glad Linux distribution managers don't

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Manuel Reimer
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: This was more like a general rant about Linux distributions all wanting there files in different locations. This is common on most Unix systems. There are common paths where specific types of files should be placed to. If you are used to the common paths, then you'll

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 27.12.2012 17:43, Manuel Reimer wrote: Klaus Schmidinger wrote: This was more like a general rant about Linux distributions all wanting there files in different locations. This is common on most Unix systems. There are common paths where specific types of files should be placed to. If you

Re: [vdr] [ANNOUNCE] VDR developer version 1.7.34

2012-12-27 Thread Udo Richter
Am 27.12.2012 14:43, schrieb Klaus Schmidinger: If you want to use your hardlink cutter with recent versions of VDR, you could simply patch out the calls to DanglingPacketStripper.Process(), GetPendingPackets() and ptsFixer.Fix() in cCuttingThread::ProcessSequence(). There will be no fixing of

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Helmut Auer
I'm just glad Linux distribution managers don't build cars - otherwise we would most likely be long dead before we find the brake pedal... ;-) As a distribution manger I have to disagree ;) All I'm doing now, is to wait til you find a solution which won't be changed within the next five days

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Gerald Dachs
Am 27.12.2012 19:11, schrieb Helmut Auer: I'm just glad Linux distribution managers don't build cars - otherwise we would most likely be long dead before we find the brake pedal... ;-) As a distribution manger I have to disagree ;) All I'm doing now, is to wait til you find a solution which

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread fnu
... there are way too much changes at the moment :) FullAck, but the number of changes are not the issue, it's more the sustainability and the time frame within the changes. Looking to the last 5 versions, each of them do look allmost like a complete new version. There is allmost no time for

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Helmut Auer
Am 27.12.2012 19:11, schrieb Helmut Auer: I'm just glad Linux distribution managers don't build cars - otherwise we would most likely be long dead before we find the brake pedal... ;-) As a distribution manger I have to disagree ;) All I'm doing now, is to wait til you find a solution which

Re: [vdr] [ANNOUNCE] VDR developer version 1.7.34

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 27.12.2012 18:48, Udo Richter wrote: Am 27.12.2012 14:43, schrieb Klaus Schmidinger: If you want to use your hardlink cutter with recent versions of VDR, you could simply patch out the calls to DanglingPacketStripper.Process(), GetPendingPackets() and ptsFixer.Fix() in

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On 27.12.2012 13:21, VDR User wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, fnu v...@auktion.hostingkunde.de wrote: ... there are way too much changes at the moment :) FullAck, but the number of changes are not the issue, it's more the sustainability and the time frame within the changes.

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Gerald Dachs
Am 27.12.2012 22:21, schrieb VDR User: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, fnu v...@auktion.hostingkunde.de wrote: But don't forget, you don't make a solution liek VDR a success or BBS like vdr-portal only with a few make; make install users. Over 95% of VDR users are using a distribution. I

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread fnu
Keep in mind, all these changes are occurring in the _developer_ version of VDR, not stable. Oh damn, I did not even realize this ... ^^ Nobody really want to use VDR 1.6.0 anymore these days, in Europe we would not be able to watch HDTV. Facing this fact VDR 1.7.3+ is more than just a

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 27.12.2012 23:40, fnu wrote: ... But the way of the last changes, in best manner of Louis XIV, ignoring all other needs around can't be the right way. All I did was to accept a patch from Christopher Reimer that removed some redundancy in the Makefiles and would better isolate the plugins

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Helmut Auer
If I don't accept patches, I'm blamed for slowing down development. If I do accept a patch that causes a little work to adapt to (but looks promising in the long run), I'm being offended by being compared to Louis XIV. I guess you just can't win 'em all... You're absolutely right here. The

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Dominic Evans
On 27 Dec 2012, at 23:41, fnu v...@auktion.hostingkunde.de wrote: Linux wouldn't have been that succesfull, if Linus Torvalds would not had an ear to the needs of others, even business needs ... A Christmas message from Linus – “IF YOU BREAK USERSPACE I HATE YOU AND YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON”

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread fnu
Dominic, good one! I know, a coin has always two sides, but hack, look where Linux nowadays is . ^^ Cheers Frank Im Auftrag von Dominic Evans Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012 00:47 An: VDR Mailing List Betreff: Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread VDR User
Matthias Schniedermeyer: Pointing out that the last stable release of VDR having an old timestamp has nothing to do with people _choosing_ to use the developer version, which is warned and well-known to possibly contain changes that will cause problems for those expecting stable behavior. The

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On 27.12.2012 16:55, VDR User wrote: Matthias Schniedermeyer: Pointing out that the last stable release of VDR having an old timestamp has nothing to do with people _choosing_ to use the developer version, which is warned and well-known to possibly contain changes that will cause problems for

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread fnu
I think fnu is wrong in his assumption that over 95% of VDR users I'm not wrong, the users compiling VDR from scratch are far in minority. Again I'm not just talking about ready to run ISO images. There are plenty of silent users working the packages out of Linux' distros repositories, Debian,

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread VDR User
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, fnu v...@auktion.hostingkunde.de wrote: I'm not wrong, the users compiling VDR from scratch are far in minority. Again I'm not just talking about ready to run ISO images. You make this claim but the opposite is observed on mailing lists, forums, and irc. Since

Re: [vdr] [DISCUSSION REQUEST] reintroduce a common make configuration file in VDR-1.7.35

2012-12-27 Thread VDR User
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, fnu v...@auktion.hostingkunde.de wrote: users when there's plenty of evidence that says otherwise. You did not provide any ... you also just pray your truth ... This mailing list, the freebsd multimedia mailing list, forums such as vdr-portal, dvbn, and