RE: [VFB] Off topic

[J Balmer]

Congrats Tony & Dot!


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Subject: [VFB] Off topic

Dot and I celebrated out 67th wedding wedding anniversary yesterday, Arkansas 
Tony

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RE: [VFB] Off topic

[Chuck Alexander]

That is quite a feat. Congrats on that, Chuck


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Dot and I celebrated out 67th wedding wedding anniversary yesterday, Arkansas 
Tony

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Re: [VFB] Off topic

[Bruce Whittle]

Congratulations to you and Dot!  What an accomplishment!

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to continue and, regardless of temporary obstacles, the persistence to complete"  
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On 12/25/17 11:45 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Dot and I celebrated out 67th wedding wedding anniversary yesterday,
Arkansas Tony



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RE: [VFB] Off topic

['Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail]

Same here, lot of health issues.
Tony

On Mon, 12/25/17, Desert Eagle <j...@hdc-nm.com> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [VFB] Off topic
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 Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 6:49 PM
 
 Yes it has, a lot has happened
 since we last talked.
 
 A
 militia when properly formed are in fact the people
 themselves... 
 and include all men capable
 of bearing arms. . . 
 To preserve liberty it
 is essential that the whole body of people always possess
 arms.
 Richard Henry Lee: Senator, First
 Congress
  
 Jimi
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 www.deserteagleshooters.com
 575-513-2842
 https://www.mydoterra.com/jamesgenzling/#/
 
 
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 Subject: RE: [VFB] Off topic
 
 Good to hear from you, it has
 been a long time.
 Tony
 
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 wrote:
 
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  Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 6:34 PM
  
  CONGRADULATIONS my
 Friend.
  Many more to come we pray.
  
  A militia when properly
 formed are in fact the
  people themselves...
 
  and include all men
 
 capable of bearing arms. . . 
  To
 preserve
  liberty it is essential that the
 whole body of people always
  possess
 arms.
  Richard Henry Lee: Senator,
  First Congress
   
  Jimi
  Desert Eagle Shooters
  Rifle
  Marksmanship
 Instructor
  Long Range Precision
  Rifle Instructor
 
 www.deserteagleshooters.com
  575-513-2842
  https://www.mydoterra.com/jamesgenzling/#/
  
  
    Dot and
 I
  celebrated out 67th
  
 wedding wedding
  anniversary yesterday, 
 
   
  
 
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RE: [VFB] Off topic

[Desert Eagle]

Yes it has, a lot has happened since we last talked.

A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves... 
and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . 
To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always 
possess arms.
Richard Henry Lee: Senator, First Congress
 
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https://www.mydoterra.com/jamesgenzling/#/


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Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 5:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] Off topic

Good to hear from you, it has been a long time.
Tony

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 Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 6:34 PM
 
 CONGRADULATIONS my Friend.
 Many more to come we pray.
 
 A militia when properly formed are in fact the
 people themselves... 
 and include all men
 capable of bearing arms. . . 
 To preserve
 liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always
 possess arms.
 Richard Henry Lee: Senator,
 First Congress
  
 Jimi
 Desert Eagle Shooters
 Rifle
 Marksmanship Instructor
 Long Range Precision
 Rifle Instructor
 www.deserteagleshooters.com
 575-513-2842
 https://www.mydoterra.com/jamesgenzling/#/
 
 
   Dot and I
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  wedding wedding
 anniversary yesterday,  
  
 
 Arkansas Tony
 
 
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RE: [VFB] Off topic

['Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail]

Good to hear from you, it has been a long time.
Tony

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 Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 6:34 PM
 
 CONGRADULATIONS my Friend.
 Many more to come we pray.
 
 A militia when properly formed are in fact the
 people themselves... 
 and include all men
 capable of bearing arms. . . 
 To preserve
 liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always
 possess arms.
 Richard Henry Lee: Senator,
 First Congress
  
 Jimi
 Desert Eagle Shooters
 Rifle
 Marksmanship Instructor
 Long Range Precision
 Rifle Instructor
 www.deserteagleshooters.com
 575-513-2842
 https://www.mydoterra.com/jamesgenzling/#/
 
 
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 Arkansas Tony
 
 
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RE: [VFB] Off topic

[Desert Eagle]

CONGRADULATIONS my Friend.
Many more to come we pray.

A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves... 
and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . 
To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always 
possess arms.
Richard Henry Lee: Senator, First Congress
 
Jimi
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  Dot and I celebrated out 67th
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Re: [VFB] Off topic

['Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail]

Thank you Joyce.
 Tony

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 Wonderful.  You are a great couple. 
 On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at
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 Dot - 67 years is quite an achievement. Well Done!
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Wonderful.  You are a great couple.

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[Neville Gosling]

Congratulations Tony & Dot - 67 years is quite an achievement. Well Done!

Neville (Nev) Gosling
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BC. Canada


Dot and I celebrated out 67th wedding wedding anniversary yesterday, 
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC in the fishing groups Question???

['Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail]

Real nice work.Arkansas Tony 


 On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 5:12 PM, Chuck Alexander 
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 Folks: I recently got a new wood lathe from my wife around the first part of 
May and I’m trying to get up an inventory (most things are selling as fast as I 
can make them, which is a good thing) in order to open myself an Etsy store to 
sell things on. So farm, bowls have been the biggest seller, but I want to make 
some Christmas ornaments (see attached pics), wooden eggs (see pics), goblets 
(see pic), and lastly, my question on this email is how many here still use an 
old fashioned rolling pin for making biscuits etc.  I’m attaching a pic and 
would like to know a cpl things about the rolling pins #1, would you use it??” 
and #2 would you buy one (and NO, it’s not a sales pitch, just a survey before 
I put a lot of time and effort into making some up) if the price were right 
(probably $20 each, but they last forever, for the ones made of common woods 
like oak, poplar etc, and more if it’s made of an exotic wood that I have to 
buy the “blanks” for. I also plan to make christmas tree ornaments that look 
like snow men and christmas trees, as well as plain old round balls/spheres and 
paint them, or stain them, or burn black “rings” into them using a wire to burn 
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Don Ordes]

Chuck,
Check this site out. If your PT is slated to become a collectible, depend on 
people trying to grab them whenever possible. Like yours. Mustangs were/are 
like that, too.
Don


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From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:34 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Joyce: Yeah, looks like that’s all we can do now. My daughter’s friend works at 
the car dealership we are going to talk to next week and he told me tonight 
they had a LOT to choose from, and they also go to the auction twice a week, so 
if they don’t have anything we like, we can request that they BOLO for one. I’d 
still like to have a Jeep, or a pickup with 4WD like we were hunting when we 
bought the Cruiser, so maybe it will all work out for the good in the end 
because I have a cpl of GREAT places I could fish IF I had 4WD.  Gotta take 
back the 2014 Camaro SS the insurance company rented for us tomorrow, so that’s 
losing our only ride right now, so we have to find another car soon  as it’s 
ten miles to the nearest town LOL..The Camaro looks great and is VERY fast, but 
rides rough as a cob. I think they made them, and Corvettes for looks, not 
comfort. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:24 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, you are right..let it go and cut your losses.  Bummer that.  I think a 
nice new pickup would be a great choice considering how you love to fish.  Joyce

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  BTW. We did go to the garage and take off my brand new $200 Curt trailer 
hitch and plug and play wiring harness that was NOT on the car when I bought it 
LOL..Maybe I can get $100 for it, unless I buy another “Cruiser” to mount it 
to.  Chuck

  From: Chuck Alexander 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same community 
college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the car paid off 
that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the state and red tape. 
There is only three (and none are close by) state inspectors who can inspect 
the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or whatever exactly it’s called, and I 
could take a $3300 settlement (but I still owe $4700), then I could have the 
car  back, then pay the college for all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), 
let them repair it, but here it the “hitch”. 

  Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the 
inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT allow 
you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car, which my 
bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference between the $3300 
and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t do it. But, they did 
tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the insurance company as “paid in 
full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper rate on another car. So, it looks 
like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get 
another car. maybe I can find a club cab pick em up truck I really did want 
when I bout the car.. That would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks 
for bringing this up though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it 
would be a great idea and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar 
situation sometime, Chuck


  From: Joyce M Westphal 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you 
have a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often students 
will rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the class tuition, 
 Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car class at the 
college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the deer smashed her 
car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week after hours class was 
30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars for their state of the art 
paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck and my 1982 Datsun diesel by 
doing it ourselves. The instructors were excellent and the cost was 
minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint which is pricey.  It tooks us 
several years to do both vehicles (we did her  car, her truck and my truck 
first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo job on her current car fender that 
we recognized after she had her used car for several years. If you do it 
yourself, you will know it is done right. Buy

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

Joyce: Yeah, looks like that’s all we can do now. My daughter’s friend works at 
the car dealership we are going to talk to next week and he told me tonight 
they had a LOT to choose from, and they also go to the auction twice a week, so 
if they don’t have anything we like, we can request that they BOLO for one. I’d 
still like to have a Jeep, or a pickup with 4WD like we were hunting when we 
bought the Cruiser, so maybe it will all work out for the good in the end 
because I have a cpl of GREAT places I could fish IF I had 4WD.  Gotta take 
back the 2014 Camaro SS the insurance company rented for us tomorrow, so that’s 
losing our only ride right now, so we have to find another car soon  as it’s 
ten miles to the nearest town LOL..The Camaro looks great and is VERY fast, but 
rides rough as a cob. I think they made them, and Corvettes for looks, not 
comfort. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:24 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, you are right..let it go and cut your losses.  Bummer that.  I think a 
nice new pickup would be a great choice considering how you love to fish.  Joyce

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  BTW. We did go to the garage and take off my brand new $200 Curt trailer 
hitch and plug and play wiring harness that was NOT on the car when I bought it 
LOL..Maybe I can get $100 for it, unless I buy another “Cruiser” to mount it 
to.  Chuck

  From: Chuck Alexander 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same community 
college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the car paid off 
that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the state and red tape. 
There is only three (and none are close by) state inspectors who can inspect 
the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or whatever exactly it’s called, and I 
could take a $3300 settlement (but I still owe $4700), then I could have the 
car  back, then pay the college for all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), 
let them repair it, but here it the “hitch”. 

  Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the 
inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT allow 
you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car, which my 
bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference between the $3300 
and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t do it. But, they did 
tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the insurance company as “paid in 
full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper rate on another car. So, it looks 
like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get 
another car. maybe I can find a club cab pick em up truck I really did want 
when I bout the car.. That would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks 
for bringing this up though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it 
would be a great idea and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar 
situation sometime, Chuck


  From: Joyce M Westphal 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you 
have a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often students 
will rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the class tuition, 
 Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car class at the 
college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the deer smashed her 
car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week after hours class was 
30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars for their state of the art 
paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck and my 1982 Datsun diesel by 
doing it ourselves. The instructors were excellent and the cost was 
minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint which is pricey.  It tooks us 
several years to do both vehicles (we did her  car, her truck and my truck 
first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo job on her current car fender that 
we recognized after she had her used car for several years. If you do it 
yourself, you will know it is done right. Buy it back if you can and fix it 
yourself if you can..it was a fun and rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com wrote:

Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid 
for them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove it 
for  7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my insurance 
company (State Farm) and they were very willing to do

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same community 
college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the car paid off 
that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the state and red tape. 
There is only three (and none are close by) state inspectors who can inspect 
the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or whatever exactly it’s called, and I 
could take a $3300 settlement (but I still owe $4700), then I could have the 
car  back, then pay the college for all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), 
let them repair it, but here it the “hitch”. 

Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the 
inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT allow 
you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car, which my 
bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference between the $3300 
and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t do it. But, they did 
tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the insurance company as “paid in 
full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper rate on another car. So, it looks 
like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get 
another car. maybe I can find a club cab pick em up truck I really did want 
when I bout the car.. That would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks 
for bringing this up though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it 
would be a great idea and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar 
situation sometime, Chuck


From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you have 
a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often students will 
rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the class tuition,  
Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car class at the 
college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the deer smashed her 
car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week after hours class was 
30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars for their state of the art 
paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck and my 1982 Datsun diesel by 
doing it ourselves. The instructors were excellent and the cost was 
minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint which is pricey.  It tooks us 
several years to do both vehicles (we did her  car, her truck and my truck 
first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo job on her current car fender that 
we recognized after she had her used car for several years. If you do it 
yourself, you will know it is done right. Buy it back if you can and fix it 
yourself if you can..it was a fun and rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com wrote:

  Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid for 
them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove it for  
7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my insurance company 
(State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather than total the car. 
The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor would have cost  and the 
labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if this will help. Joyce

  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how 
the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really (besides 
the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a fender bender. 
Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags didn't have to 
be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is totalling the car, and they 
are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than what it will take to 
pay off what we owe on the car. It's got us both hot under the collar to say 
the least. Mad as hell is more like it. But, the insurance industry here has 
some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington as well as in the state 
governments, and so they are all in cahoots and one hand feeds the other in 
their world. I riced all the parts that the car would have had to replaced, 
added the $65-95 per hour labor together and it should have been at the 
extremely high end, no more than $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted 
the insurance company to pay them $4400+.

And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the 
state apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this we 
have EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off as the 
car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd have to pay 
off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are going to sell 
it to, go there and buy

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

(First off, if anybody don’t wanna read an off topic rant by me about the 
insurance “scam” please just save your time and hit the “delete” button now.)

Joyce: Alabama must have some weird laws because this is the first claim I have 
ever submitted in this state. In FL, they (the insurance company) has the car 
owner to go to three garages, get estimates, then, unless that garage has some 
bad reports through the BBB etc, they are the ones who do get the job. I even 
told the insurance company that I could actually fix te car myself, using that 
very method of going to the junkyard near me that I know had several PT 
cruisers, and even three in the same silver color etc, and fix it myself. 

Bottom  line was that YES, I could do that IF I had the cash in hand to pay off 
the car in total which I do not, so it becomes a mute point. And, like I said, 
even if I fixed it perfectly (I have a friend who does paint and body and even 
has a frame straightener if need be) who said he’d help me, in order to 
re-title it, I’d have to get one of the three state inspectors to check it out 
and re-issue a “totalled tag” or whatever they call it and even then, my 
insurance guy, who is an independent agent (not Progressive, which is the 
underwriter on the policy and the ones I feel ripped me off) told me that for 
whatever reason, very seldom do those inspectors re-issue titles. 

Probably has something to do with the politics of the insurance lobby or 
something like that. Bottom line is, even though I could get a loan to do it 
myself, If the guy did NOT re-issue a title, I’d get a ticket every time I 
turned around because #1, I couldn’t gets tags because #2 I couldn’t get it 
insured, which is required to get the tags and it I would end up owing a cpl 
thousand bucks for a cpl thousand pounds of “scrap iron” worth a cpl HUNDRED 
bucks, then I’d still have to find another car and owe for that loan as well.  
Sad huh???  

We have called s   many ppl the past cpl days about this, including the 
state insurance auditor’s office (I think that is his title) in Montgomery and 
we cannot seem to win for losing. The insurance company’s ALWAYS win. I know 
because I used to sell life insurance in another lifetime and they base their 
actuary tables for example, not on what MIGHT happen, but what HAS happened in 
past yrs, so the game is rigged against us “consumers” from the get go. I do 
intend to burn the ears of my state senator and congressman because in this 
case, it’s the state, not the insurance company that made these goofy rules, 
although I’m sure they had help in the legislature via the insurance lobbyist 
money to make these laws. You know how politics work. Makes me sick when I see 
all the TV ads by insurance companies talking about how great they are and then 
when you file a claim they run and hide. get this. I asked the Progressive guy 
yesterday point blank “This is a no fault claim, and my first and only claim 
with you guys ever, yet after this is said and done, you will either increase 
our rates of refuse to insure us again right ??” His one word answer was 
YES!!  

So, if anybody here has Progressive as their underwriter, this is what you have 
to look forward too, after paying them THOUSANDS in premiums in the ten YEARS 
we have had them should you need to file a claim, then you’ll see what they do 
to your rates/policy after the claim. Course this is NOT just Progressive. This 
happens with all companies at times.  At this point, we’re just thankful our 
son wasn’t injured or killed by the deer as we can always find another car and 
chalk it up to experience gained the hard way.  Sorry for the BOOK here, but I 
am just venting some of my frustrations with the whole mess. That’s the kindest 
word  I can think of to call it LOL.. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:33 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid for 
them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove it for  
7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my insurance company 
(State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather than total the car. 
The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor would have cost  and the 
labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if this will help. Joyce

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how the 
insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really (besides the 
AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a fender bender. Frame 
was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags didn't have to be 
replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is totalling the car, and they 
are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than what

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

Alan: Thanks. See my rant answer to Joyce. Its sad, but right now, unless 
I had a TON of money, I couldn't even fix it myself, which I COULD do, and 
still get a title re-issued. The insurance company transferred the money to 
the loan company WITHOUT us even knowing about it till AFTER the fact. I 
LOVE living in Alabama, but am finding out they have the worst car insurance 
laws in the country, if not the world.  As of yesterday the car belongs to 
Progressive, and they want me to give them $3900 for it as is. (The Kelly 
blue book, even though it was in mint condition, and Limited edition is only 
$4400 or so) That's a crock and a half. Yet they'll end up selling it to 
some junk yard for a cpl HUNDRED bucks. I'm finding out that in my state, if 
you don’t have a lien free title to your car (or house) you REALLY do NOT 
own your car and/or house etc. which is why the little guy will never get 
ahead. The Rolling Stones had a song yrs ago called Under My Thumb and 
that's just how the state laws and insurance lobby have us peons here I 
guess. If I were rich, I could probably hire a lawyer and get it right, 
but that's not going to happen.  Chuck


-Original Message- 
From: Phxflytyer

Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:55 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

chuck
Please ask the insurance co. If they will sell it back to you.
That way you don't have to pay a markup to the junk yard.
It doesn't have to be towed away or towed back to you.
You should be able to find someone that will rebuild it for you at a cheaper 
rate then is charged to the insurance co. Perhaps if


You go to a body shop and see if one of the workers will do it after hours 
or on the weekend?



Sent from my iPad

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Nov 11, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:


I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how 
the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really 
(besides the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a 
fender bender. Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the 
air bags didn't have to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is 
totalling the car, and they are going to pay us a check that amounts to 
$400 LESS than what it will take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's 
got us both hot under the collar to say the least. Mad as hell is more 
like it. But, the insurance industry here has some of the biggest 
lobbyists in Washington as well as in the state governments, and so they 
are all in cahoots and one hand feeds the other in their world. I riced 
all the parts that the car would have had to replaced, added the $65-95 
per hour labor together and it should have been at the extremely high end, 
no more than $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted the insurance 
company to pay them $4400+.


And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the 
state apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this 
we have EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs 
off as the car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself 
I'd have to pay off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard 
they are going to sell it to, go there and buy the car from them, and 
that might be $1000-3000. Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) 
for a scrapyard repaired new title on the car in order to get a title, 
tags and insurance.


We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for


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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

BTW. We did go to the garage and take off my brand new $200 Curt trailer hitch 
and plug and play wiring harness that was NOT on the car when I bought it 
LOL..Maybe I can get $100 for it, unless I buy another “Cruiser” to mount it 
to.  Chuck

From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same community 
college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the car paid off 
that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the state and red tape. 
There is only three (and none are close by) state inspectors who can inspect 
the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or whatever exactly it’s called, and I 
could take a $3300 settlement (but I still owe $4700), then I could have the 
car  back, then pay the college for all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), 
let them repair it, but here it the “hitch”. 

Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the 
inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT allow 
you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car, which my 
bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference between the $3300 
and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t do it. But, they did 
tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the insurance company as “paid in 
full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper rate on another car. So, it looks 
like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get 
another car. maybe I can find a club cab pick em up truck I really did want 
when I bout the car.. That would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks 
for bringing this up though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it 
would be a great idea and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar 
situation sometime, Chuck


From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you have 
a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often students will 
rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the class tuition,  
Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car class at the 
college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the deer smashed her 
car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week after hours class was 
30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars for their state of the art 
paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck and my 1982 Datsun diesel by 
doing it ourselves. The instructors were excellent and the cost was 
minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint which is pricey.  It tooks us 
several years to do both vehicles (we did her  car, her truck and my truck 
first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo job on her current car fender that 
we recognized after she had her used car for several years. If you do it 
yourself, you will know it is done right. Buy it back if you can and fix it 
yourself if you can..it was a fun and rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com wrote:

  Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid for 
them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove it for  
7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my insurance company 
(State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather than total the car. 
The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor would have cost  and the 
labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if this will help. Joyce

  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how 
the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really (besides 
the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a fender bender. 
Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags didn't have to 
be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is totalling the car, and they 
are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than what it will take to 
pay off what we owe on the car. It's got us both hot under the collar to say 
the least. Mad as hell is more like it. But, the insurance industry here has 
some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington as well as in the state 
governments, and so they are all in cahoots and one hand feeds the other in 
their world. I riced all the parts that the car would have had to replaced, 
added the $65-95 per hour labor together and it should have been at the 
extremely high end, no more than $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted 
the insurance company to pay them $4400

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Joyce M Westphal]

Chuck, you are right..let it go and cut your losses.  Bummer that.  I think
a nice new pickup would be a great choice considering how you love to
fish.  Joyce

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

   BTW. We did go to the garage and take off my brand new $200 Curt
 trailer hitch and plug and play wiring harness that was NOT on the car when
 I bought it LOL..Maybe I can get $100 for it, unless I buy another
 “Cruiser” to mount it to.  Chuck

  *From:* Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

   Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same
 community college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the
 car paid off that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the
 state and red tape. There is only three (and none are close by) state
 inspectors who can inspect the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or
 whatever exactly it’s called, and I could take a $3300 settlement (but I
 still owe $4700), then I could have the car  back, then pay the college for
 all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), let them repair it, but here it
 the “hitch”.

 Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the
 inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT
 allow you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car,
 which my bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference
 between the $3300 and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t
 do it. But, they did tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the
 insurance company as “paid in full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper
 rate on another car. So, it looks like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess
 we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get another car. maybe I can find a
 club cab pick em up truck I really did want when I bout the car.. That
 would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks for bringing this up
 though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it would be a great idea
 and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar situation
 sometime, Chuck


  *From:* Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if
 you have a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often
 students will rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the
 class tuition,  Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car
 class at the college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the
 deer smashed her car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week
 after hours class was 30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars
 for their state of the art paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck
 and my 1982 Datsun diesel by doing it ourselves. The instructors were
 excellent and the cost was minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint
 which is pricey.  It tooks us several years to do both vehicles (we did
 her  car, her truck and my truck first, and finished up repairing a bad
 bondo job on her current car fender that we recognized after she had her
 used car for several years. If you do it yourself, you will know it is done
 right. Buy it back if you can and fix it yourself if you can..it was a fun
 and rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid
 for them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove
 it for  7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my
 insurance company (State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather
 than total the car. The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor
 would have cost  and the labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if
 this will help. Joyce

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

 I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of
 how the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really
 (besides the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a
 fender bender. Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the
 air bags didn't have to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is
 totalling the car, and they are going to pay us a check that amounts to
 $400 LESS than what it will take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's
 got us both hot under the collar to say the least. Mad as hell is more like
 it. But, the insurance industry here has some of the biggest lobbyists in
 Washington as well as in the state governments, and so

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how 
the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really 
(besides the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a fender 
bender. Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags 
didn't have to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is totalling 
the car, and they are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than 
what it will take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's got us both hot 
under the collar to say the least. Mad as hell is more like it. But, the 
insurance industry here has some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington as 
well as in the state governments, and so they are all in cahoots and one 
hand feeds the other in their world. I riced all the parts that the car 
would have had to replaced, added the $65-95 per hour labor together and it 
should have been at the extremely high end, no more than $2000-2200. They 
(the garage/body shop) wanted the insurance company to pay them $4400+.


And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the state 
apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this we have 
EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off as the 
car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd have to 
pay off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are going to 
sell it to, go there and buy the car from them, and that might be 
$1000-3000. Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) for a scrapyard 
repaired new title on the car in order to get a title, tags and insurance.


We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for 
over ten YEARS, and they GLADLY take our premium money, but file a claim and 
then it’s like they think you are robbing them. I told the insurance guy (or 
asked him) why the heck didn't you guys get a cpl more estimates, as you 
know that's was highway robbery  and he said that was their only authorized 
garage that they deal with in the area. I said well if that's the case, 
you guys should shop around (like I'm going to do when I get another car) 
and find a place that would repair them cheaper than that because that price 
is a rip off and that it would save both them and their customers (policy 
holders) money But that’s how it works here. The big guys get the gold mine 
and the little guys get the shaft LOL. Chuck


-Original Message- 
From: Reuven Segal

Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:46 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

6ft+

Pure muscle.

More often than not, people are injured when the roo goes through the
windscreen and struggles to escape and kicks and scratches the
occupants. The way they fight is that they stand on their tails and kick
forward. I have seen on the news one guy who tried to feed a small one
and ended up with dozens of stitches from a single kick. Lets see one of
your deers do that!

On 7/11/2014 1:33 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son had 
been going full speed that tin can of a car would have been history. A 
Kaangaroo might get hot by the car though, then turn around and kick the 
car as well LOL..How big do those things get (weight) anyway??  Chuck


-Original Message- From: Reuven Segal
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are
solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.
On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a 
deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit 
just right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck


-Original Message- From: Allan Fish
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer


Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Phxflytyer]

chuck
Please ask the insurance co. If they will sell it back to you.
That way you don't have to pay a markup to the junk yard.
It doesn't have to be towed away or towed back to you.
You should be able to find someone that will rebuild it for you at a cheaper 
rate then is charged to the insurance co. Perhaps if 

You go to a body shop and see if one of the workers will do it after hours or 
on the weekend?


Sent from my iPad

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



 On Nov 11, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:
 
 I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how the 
 insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really (besides the 
 AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a fender bender. 
 Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags didn't have 
 to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is totalling the car, and 
 they are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than what it will 
 take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's got us both hot under the collar 
 to say the least. Mad as hell is more like it. But, the insurance industry 
 here has some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington as well as in the state 
 governments, and so they are all in cahoots and one hand feeds the other in 
 their world. I riced all the parts that the car would have had to replaced, 
 added the $65-95 per hour labor together and it should have been at the 
 extremely high end, no more than $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) 
 wanted the insurance company to pay them $4400+.
 
 And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the state 
 apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this we have 
 EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off as the 
 car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd have to 
 pay off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are going to 
 sell it to, go there and buy the car from them, and that might be 
 $1000-3000. Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) for a scrapyard 
 repaired new title on the car in order to get a title, tags and insurance.
 
 We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Joyce M Westphal]

Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid
for them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove
it for  7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my
insurance company (State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather
than total the car. The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor
would have cost  and the labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if
this will help. Joyce

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

 I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how
 the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really
 (besides the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a
 fender bender. Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the
 air bags didn't have to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is
 totalling the car, and they are going to pay us a check that amounts to
 $400 LESS than what it will take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's
 got us both hot under the collar to say the least. Mad as hell is more like
 it. But, the insurance industry here has some of the biggest lobbyists in
 Washington as well as in the state governments, and so they are all in
 cahoots and one hand feeds the other in their world. I riced all the parts
 that the car would have had to replaced, added the $65-95 per hour labor
 together and it should have been at the extremely high end, no more than
 $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted the insurance company to pay
 them $4400+.

 And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the
 state apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this
 we have EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off
 as the car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd
 have to pay off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are
 going to sell it to, go there and buy the car from them, and that might
 be $1000-3000. Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) for a
 scrapyard repaired new title on the car in order to get a title, tags and
 insurance.

 We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for
 over ten YEARS, and they GLADLY take our premium money, but file a claim
 and then it’s like they think you are robbing them. I told the insurance
 guy (or asked him) why the heck didn't you guys get a cpl more estimates,
 as you know that's was highway robbery  and he said that was their only
 authorized garage that they deal with in the area. I said well if that's
 the case, you guys should shop around (like I'm going to do when I get
 another car) and find a place that would repair them cheaper than that
 because that price is a rip off and that it would save both them and their
 customers (policy holders) money But that’s how it works here. The big
 guys get the gold mine and the little guys get the shaft LOL. Chuck

 -Original Message- From: Reuven Segal
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:46 AM
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

 6ft+

 Pure muscle.

 More often than not, people are injured when the roo goes through the
 windscreen and struggles to escape and kicks and scratches the
 occupants. The way they fight is that they stand on their tails and kick
 forward. I have seen on the news one guy who tried to feed a small one
 and ended up with dozens of stitches from a single kick. Lets see one of
 your deers do that!

 On 7/11/2014 1:33 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

 Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son had
 been going full speed that tin can of a car would have been history. A
 Kaangaroo might get hot by the car though, then turn around and kick the
 car as well LOL..How big do those things get (weight) anyway??  Chuck

 -Original Message- From: Reuven Segal
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:49 PM
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

 A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are
 solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.
 On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

 Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a
 deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit just
 right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck

 -Original Message- From: Allan Fish
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



 Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
 that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
 driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
 his heart.

 I'm really glad your

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Joyce M Westphal]

Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you
have a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often
students will rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the
class tuition,  Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car
class at the college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the
deer smashed her car. The cost for senior students here in a once a week
after hours class was 30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars
for their state of the art paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck
and my 1982 Datsun diesel by doing it ourselves. The instructors were
excellent and the cost was minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint
which is pricey.  It tooks us several years to do both vehicles (we did her
 car, her truck and my truck first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo
job on her current car fender that we recognized after she had her used car
for several years. If you do it yourself, you will know it is done right.
Buy it back if you can and fix it yourself if you can..it was a fun and
rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid
 for them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove
 it for  7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my
 insurance company (State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather
 than total the car. The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor
 would have cost  and the labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if
 this will help. Joyce

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

 I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how
 the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really
 (besides the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a
 fender bender. Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the
 air bags didn't have to be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is
 totalling the car, and they are going to pay us a check that amounts to
 $400 LESS than what it will take to pay off what we owe on the car. It's
 got us both hot under the collar to say the least. Mad as hell is more like
 it. But, the insurance industry here has some of the biggest lobbyists in
 Washington as well as in the state governments, and so they are all in
 cahoots and one hand feeds the other in their world. I riced all the parts
 that the car would have had to replaced, added the $65-95 per hour labor
 together and it should have been at the extremely high end, no more than
 $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted the insurance company to pay
 them $4400+.

 And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the
 state apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this
 we have EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off
 as the car being totalled, That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd
 have to pay off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are
 going to sell it to, go there and buy the car from them, and that might
 be $1000-3000. Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) for a
 scrapyard repaired new title on the car in order to get a title, tags and
 insurance.

 We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for
 over ten YEARS, and they GLADLY take our premium money, but file a claim
 and then it’s like they think you are robbing them. I told the insurance
 guy (or asked him) why the heck didn't you guys get a cpl more estimates,
 as you know that's was highway robbery  and he said that was their only
 authorized garage that they deal with in the area. I said well if that's
 the case, you guys should shop around (like I'm going to do when I get
 another car) and find a place that would repair them cheaper than that
 because that price is a rip off and that it would save both them and their
 customers (policy holders) money But that’s how it works here. The big
 guys get the gold mine and the little guys get the shaft LOL. Chuck

 -Original Message- From: Reuven Segal
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:46 AM
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

 6ft+

 Pure muscle.

 More often than not, people are injured when the roo goes through the
 windscreen and struggles to escape and kicks and scratches the
 occupants. The way they fight is that they stand on their tails and kick
 forward. I have seen on the news one guy who tried to feed a small one
 and ended up with dozens of stitches from a single kick. Lets see one of
 your deers do that!

 On 7/11/2014 1:33 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

 Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son had
 been going full speed that tin can of a car

Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Reuven Segal]

6ft+

Pure muscle.

More often than not, people are injured when the roo goes through the 
windscreen and struggles to escape and kicks and scratches the 
occupants. The way they fight is that they stand on their tails and kick 
forward. I have seen on the news one guy who tried to feed a small one 
and ended up with dozens of stitches from a single kick. Lets see one of 
your deers do that!


On 7/11/2014 1:33 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son 
had been going full speed that tin can of a car would have been 
history. A Kaangaroo might get hot by the car though, then turn around 
and kick the car as well LOL..How big do those things get (weight) 
anyway??  Chuck


-Original Message- From: Reuven Segal
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:49 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are
solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.
On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had 
a deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things 
hit just right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck


-Original Message- From: Allan Fish
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer


Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

af





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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

[Don Ordes]

Chuck,
Same here. Keep the house heater low and use the Edenpure (what I have) to heat 
the room you are staying in. Very quiet and safe.
Love mine, and it has a remote control- don’t even have to get up to turn it up 
or down. And I sit in my leather recliner with my back against a heating pad on 
the lowest setting, with a small down comforter over me while we watch TV. 
Cheryl does the same thing. Therapy, warmth, and entertainment, and not using 
much juice.

Don

From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:33 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

Joyce: Thanks a lot. So far, I’m hearing what I wanted to hear. Specially since 
in the dead of Winter, we close off some rooms when we are not using them so 
the propane heater won’t just run and run and run. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

I  have and use an Edenpure upstairs and a Duraflame downstairs in the tying 
room (I'm cold blooded).  I find them equally useful and they both work well. 
They are safe, heat well and you would be amazed at how long the room remains 
warm after you turn them off as they do, indeed, radiate heat from the core. 
I'd recommend either of them as being very efficient. I find it is cheaper to 
use the heaters with the furnace turned low as a background and just heat the 
room in which I currently reside. I think you'd like them as well. Joyce

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  Folks: I know this is way off topic, but I have a question to anybody who may 
have used the “Amish Style” electric heaters. #1, they are mostly in a wooden 
frame, yet the info on them says that that part stays cool to the touch?? Are 
they really “safe” if they have a wooden frame?? I do understand that the inner 
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heater like these??? I also read that they are the most efficient type (being 
that they are infrared type and heat the OBJECTS in the room, and not the total 
volume of air as well) heaters on the market??  

  We now use (in addition to liquid propane) the oil filled “radiator” style 
heaters and I have read that they are the most efficient type heaters???  I do 
like the safety of the oil filled type as they do not, like old fashioned 
electric space heaters, have an open element that can be VERY dangerous and we 
would NEVER go to sleep with one of those type running. Thanks for any help on 
this subject. You can contact me OFF list. Thanks, Chuck
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

[Chuck Alexander]

Don: Thanks, I think we’ll get a cpl of those as like I said, around here now 
Propane is well about $3 per gallon, while our electric cost is only about 7 
cents per killowatt hour so it came out cheaper last year. We do like having 
the propane as a backup because when winter storms knock out the power, at 
least we’re not totally “in the cold”. . Chuck

From: Don Ordes 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:04 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

Chuck,
Same here. Keep the house heater low and use the Edenpure (what I have) to heat 
the room you are staying in. Very quiet and safe.
Love mine, and it has a remote control- don’t even have to get up to turn it up 
or down. And I sit in my leather recliner with my back against a heating pad on 
the lowest setting, with a small down comforter over me while we watch TV. 
Cheryl does the same thing. Therapy, warmth, and entertainment, and not using 
much juice.

Don

From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:33 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

Joyce: Thanks a lot. So far, I’m hearing what I wanted to hear. Specially since 
in the dead of Winter, we close off some rooms when we are not using them so 
the propane heater won’t just run and run and run. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

I  have and use an Edenpure upstairs and a Duraflame downstairs in the tying 
room (I'm cold blooded).  I find them equally useful and they both work well. 
They are safe, heat well and you would be amazed at how long the room remains 
warm after you turn them off as they do, indeed, radiate heat from the core. 
I'd recommend either of them as being very efficient. I find it is cheaper to 
use the heaters with the furnace turned low as a background and just heat the 
room in which I currently reside. I think you'd like them as well. Joyce

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  Folks: I know this is way off topic, but I have a question to anybody who may 
have used the “Amish Style” electric heaters. #1, they are mostly in a wooden 
frame, yet the info on them says that that part stays cool to the touch?? Are 
they really “safe” if they have a wooden frame?? I do understand that the inner 
frame is metal but still. #2, the literature on all of them says they heat an 
area up to 1000 sq. ft. I cannot see how this can be possible for a little 
heater like these??? I also read that they are the most efficient type (being 
that they are infrared type and heat the OBJECTS in the room, and not the total 
volume of air as well) heaters on the market??  

  We now use (in addition to liquid propane) the oil filled “radiator” style 
heaters and I have read that they are the most efficient type heaters???  I do 
like the safety of the oil filled type as they do not, like old fashioned 
electric space heaters, have an open element that can be VERY dangerous and we 
would NEVER go to sleep with one of those type running. Thanks for any help on 
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Allan Fish]

Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago 
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the 
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through 
his heart.


I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a deer 
total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit just right, 
and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck


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Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

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If it weren't for bad luck, you would have no luck at all.Tony 

 On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:
   

 Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a deer 
total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit just right, 
and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck

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 Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.


Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Reuven Segal]

A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are 
solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.

On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a 
deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit 
just right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck


-Original Message- From: Allan Fish
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer


Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

[Chuck Alexander]

Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son had been 
going full speed that tin can of a car would have been history. A Kaangaroo 
might get hot by the car though, then turn around and kick the car as well 
LOL..How big do those things get (weight) anyway??  Chuck


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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
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A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are
solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.
On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had a 
deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit just 
right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck


-Original Message- From: Allan Fish
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer


Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years ago
that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on the
driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and through
his heart.

I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

[Joyce M Westphal]

I  have and use an Edenpure upstairs and a Duraflame downstairs in the
tying room (I'm cold blooded).  I find them equally useful and they both
work well. They are safe, heat well and you would be amazed at how long the
room remains warm after you turn them off as they do, indeed, radiate heat
from the core. I'd recommend either of them as being very efficient. I find
it is cheaper to use the heaters with the furnace turned low as a
background and just heat the room in which I currently reside. I think
you'd like them as well. Joyce

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

   Folks: I know this is way off topic, but I have a question to anybody
 who may have used the “Amish Style” electric heaters. #1, they are mostly
 in a wooden frame, yet the info on them says that that part stays cool to
 the touch?? Are they really “safe” if they have a wooden frame?? I do
 understand that the inner frame is metal but still. #2, the literature on
 all of them says they heat an area up to 1000 sq. ft. I cannot see how this
 can be possible for a little heater like these??? I also read that they are
 the most efficient type (being that they are infrared type and heat the
 OBJECTS in the room, and not the total volume of air as well) heaters on
 the market??

 We now use (in addition to liquid propane) the oil filled “radiator” style
 heaters and I have read that they are the most efficient type heaters???  I
 do like the safety of the oil filled type as they do not, like old
 fashioned electric space heaters, have an open element that can be VERY
 dangerous and we would NEVER go to sleep with one of those type running.
 Thanks for any help on this subject. You can contact me OFF list. Thanks,
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

[Chuck Alexander]

Joyce: Thanks a lot. So far, I’m hearing what I wanted to hear. Specially since 
in the dead of Winter, we close off some rooms when we are not using them so 
the propane heater won’t just run and run and run. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC Amish style electric heater ??

I  have and use an Edenpure upstairs and a Duraflame downstairs in the tying 
room (I'm cold blooded).  I find them equally useful and they both work well. 
They are safe, heat well and you would be amazed at how long the room remains 
warm after you turn them off as they do, indeed, radiate heat from the core. 
I'd recommend either of them as being very efficient. I find it is cheaper to 
use the heaters with the furnace turned low as a background and just heat the 
room in which I currently reside. I think you'd like them as well. Joyce

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Alexander 
chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:

  Folks: I know this is way off topic, but I have a question to anybody who may 
have used the “Amish Style” electric heaters. #1, they are mostly in a wooden 
frame, yet the info on them says that that part stays cool to the touch?? Are 
they really “safe” if they have a wooden frame?? I do understand that the inner 
frame is metal but still. #2, the literature on all of them says they heat an 
area up to 1000 sq. ft. I cannot see how this can be possible for a little 
heater like these??? I also read that they are the most efficient type (being 
that they are infrared type and heat the OBJECTS in the room, and not the total 
volume of air as well) heaters on the market??  

  We now use (in addition to liquid propane) the oil filled “radiator” style 
heaters and I have read that they are the most efficient type heaters???  I do 
like the safety of the oil filled type as they do not, like old fashioned 
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS ????

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On 6/9/14, 2:45 PM, Peggy Brenner wrote:
Pills just support others retirements through dividends. 



In that case, Peggy, I would have to say TAKE ALL THE PILLS YOU CAN  - 
but stick to the brand name..no generics. g


But in reality, I pretty well agree.  Sometimes there is a pill that 
you really need to take.  Otherwise, try to maintain a healthy diet 
combined with a good exercise program and healthy eating and you won't 
need the pills.  Or at least will need a nimimum number of pills.


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[Don Ordes]

Stop all carbonated drinks for one. Worked for me.

From: Chuck Alexander 
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Subject: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 

Can anybody here who has had IBS (irritable Bowel Syndrome) shoot me an OFF 
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Anything connected to the stomach... I will say it a million times and
won't get tired. It is nothing that eating right and exercise can't solve.
Pills have side effects and are not designed to cure your problem, just
mask the symptoms. And then you need more pills to deal with the side
effects, and around and around you go. Go to the root of the problem. I
just saw another friend come completely off Type 2 diabetes medications
after exercising and watching his diet since last August. If you let the
pharmaceutical companies run your life, THEY WILL.


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

   Stop all carbonated drinks for one. Worked for me.

  *From:* Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:34 PM
 *To:* Cheaper Living cheaperliv...@yahoogroups.com ; fly fishing for
 panfish flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com ;
 vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 

   Can anybody here who has had IBS (irritable Bowel Syndrome) shoot me an
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS ????

[Don Ordes]

I am also off Type 2 DB control for 6 months now. Healthy eating and exercise, 
less stress, more love, lost 50 lbs too.

Beat IBS decades ago by getting off pop- my downfall was Dr. Peppers, multiples 
per day =’d buckled-me-over cramps.

DonO



From: Scott Bearden 
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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 

Anything connected to the stomach... I will say it a million times and won't 
get tired. It is nothing that eating right and exercise can't solve. Pills have 
side effects and are not designed to cure your problem, just mask the symptoms. 
And then you need more pills to deal with the side effects, and around and 
around you go. Go to the root of the problem. I just saw another friend come 
completely off Type 2 diabetes medications after exercising and watching his 
diet since last August. If you let the pharmaceutical companies run your life, 
THEY WILL.




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  Stop all carbonated drinks for one. Worked for me.

  From: Chuck Alexander 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:34 PM
  To: Cheaper Living ; fly fishing for panfish ; vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 

  Can anybody here who has had IBS (irritable Bowel Syndrome) shoot me an OFF 
list email?? I need to ask a cpl of questions to see if my symptoms are 
matching up to what others went/are going through, and how you managed it if 
possible. Thanks, Chuck
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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS ????

[Peggy Brenner]

there is a small percentage of folks who can not use artificial 
sweeteners, Splendor and all it's cousin's including soda's.  It caused 
cramping and severe bouts of gastric distress.


These are not things you want to happen when fishing, which when wading 
is a great exercise!


Don't take pills, exercise and diet is the key. Pills just support 
others retirements through dividends.


Peggy



On 6/9/2014 12:56 PM, Don Ordes wrote:

I am also off Type 2 DB control for 6 months now. Healthy eating and
exercise, less stress, more love, lost 50 lbs too.
Beat IBS decades ago by getting off pop- my downfall was Dr. Peppers,
multiples per day =’d buckled-me-over cramps.
DonO
*From:* Scott Bearden mailto:scott.bear...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 10:21 AM
*To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 
Anything connected to the stomach... I will say it a million times and
won't get tired. It is nothing that eating right and exercise can't
solve. Pills have side effects and are not designed to cure your
problem, just mask the symptoms. And then you need more pills to deal
with the side effects, and around and around you go. Go to the root of
the problem. I just saw another friend come completely off Type 2
diabetes medications after exercising and watching his diet since last
August. If you let the pharmaceutical companies run your life, THEY WILL.


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
mailto:f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

Stop all carbonated drinks for one. Worked for me.
*From:* Chuck Alexander mailto:chuckalexan...@centurylink.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:34 PM
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mailto:flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com ;
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*Subject:* [VFB] OFF TOPIC/ IBS 
Can anybody here who has had IBS (irritable Bowel Syndrome) shoot me
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symptoms are matching up to what others went/are going through, and
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Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ??? Chuck, Allan

[Chuck Alexander]

I thought Stevia was OK. We started using it to sweeten tea a long time ago. 
At first it was kinda weird, but after about a week, it was just like sugar. 
Stevia also has a ton of fiber in it. Chuck


-Original Message- 
From: Don Ordes

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 4:08 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ??? Chuck, Allan

I use stevia in anything I want sweet. I have the powdered and liquid. Not
sugar, but it's better than nothing.

I eat lots of 'carbs'. Funny thing is that true carbohydrates may or may not
count as diet 'carbs'.
My choices are carbs/lean-meats/non-starchy veggies/fats/free items. If I
don't eat enough carbs, I go low-glucose. But to lose weight and keep the
calories low compared to fat-burning foods, I stay mostly away from white
bread, pastas, and fried foods.

So fruit is a 'carb', same as pasta or mashed potatoes. It's just how they
count it as fuel to be burned as a sugar would, to balance the insulin used.
My diet is a 2000 cal/day total, and that amounts to more roughage than I
normally eat. But I really miss my curried chicken wings. *Sniff* {:o(

I've lost 10# over the last 3 weeks and everything says I should be gaining
weight. Must be the exercise.

DonO

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From: Allan Fish

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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ???

On 10/11/13 4:38 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

Can Diabetics use Stevia as a sweetener???



Absolutely.  The things diabetics can't have are carbohydrates.  Stevia
has no carbohydrates.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-682-STEVIA.aspx?activeIngredientId=682activeIngredientName=STEVIA?


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Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ???

[Allan Fish]

On 10/11/13 4:38 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:
Can Diabetics use Stevia as a sweetener??? 



Absolutely.  The things diabetics can't have are carbohydrates.  Stevia 
has no carbohydrates.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-682-STEVIA.aspx?activeIngredientId=682activeIngredientName=STEVIA?


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Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ??? Chuck, Allan

[Don Ordes]

I use stevia in anything I want sweet. I have the powdered and liquid. Not 
sugar, but it's better than nothing.


I eat lots of 'carbs'. Funny thing is that true carbohydrates may or may not 
count as diet 'carbs'.
My choices are carbs/lean-meats/non-starchy veggies/fats/free items. If I 
don't eat enough carbs, I go low-glucose. But to lose weight and keep the 
calories low compared to fat-burning foods, I stay mostly away from white 
bread, pastas, and fried foods.


So fruit is a 'carb', same as pasta or mashed potatoes. It's just how they 
count it as fuel to be burned as a sugar would, to balance the insulin used. 
My diet is a 2000 cal/day total, and that amounts to more roughage than I 
normally eat. But I really miss my curried chicken wings. *Sniff* {:o(


I've lost 10# over the last 3 weeks and everything says I should be gaining 
weight. Must be the exercise.


DonO

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From: Allan Fish

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 2:53 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ???

On 10/11/13 4:38 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

Can Diabetics use Stevia as a sweetener???



Absolutely.  The things diabetics can't have are carbohydrates.  Stevia
has no carbohydrates.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-682-STEVIA.aspx?activeIngredientId=682activeIngredientName=STEVIA?


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Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ???

[Bob]

There is a product called FruitSweet. Is a cold evaporated fruit blend. 
Generally, one serving is a fruit exchange. I use this product at work for 
desserts. I would most definitely check with your doctor before using as it is 
fructose. Our membership loves the desserts made with. Even the ones who hate 
foods made with the other sweetners. 

~~BobH 

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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 4:53:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Off Topic Diabetic ??? 

On 10/11/13 4:38 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote: 
 Can Diabetics use Stevia as a sweetener??? 


Absolutely. The things diabetics can't have are carbohydrates. Stevia 
has no carbohydrates. 

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-682-STEVIA.aspx?activeIngredientId=682activeIngredientName=STEVIA?
 


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RE: [VFB] Off topic (but tasty)

[Mike Barrett]

Is your intent for the wife to divorce you or kill yourself by heart attack?

 

Mike Barrett

21133 West View

Wharton, NJ 07885

Cell: 201-841-3775

 

  _  

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Davenport
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:10 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Off topic (but tasty)

 

OK you guys, this is a recipe for hot tomato soup to enjoy after a day of
fishing (as temperatures cool).  I want to share it somewhere, and I have no
plans of EVER joining a recipe sharing site. 

 

I have had an abundance of tomatoes, and have been looking for ways to use
them up, so I have been experimenting with various recipes  for tomato soup.
None tasted like I wanted till this one, which is a blending of the good
ideas from all of the others. Delete or enjoy:

 

Tom's Roasted Tomato/Basil Onion Rue Cream of Tomato Soup. (Tom Soup)

 

Ingredients:

 

1 (8 tablespoon stick) of butter, melted .

1 medium onion, diced 

1 garlic clove

Handful of fresh basil (or dry basil, to taste)

1 cup cooking sherry (or the real thing if you have it)

 

74 oz of fresh tomatoes (or same amount of canned tomatoes if fresh isn't
available)

3 tablespoons chicken soup base (this is a paste sold in a jar)

3 tablespoons brown sugar

3 bay leaves

salt, white  or black pepper to taste (taste before seasoning, some of the
other ingredients already are salted)

 

1-1/2 cup whole milk, OR  half and half, OR cream (depending on whether your
wife is watching).

 

Instructions:

 

Fire up the grill, and lay the tomatoes on, and roast over medium heat.  If
using canned tomatoes, you can get a similar result by draining the liquid
(set it aside and add back later) then broiling the tomatoes under the
broiler.

 

While the tomatoes are roasting, melt butter, and add onion, garlic, basil
and sherry.  Cook until onions are transparent, then pour all of the
ingredients into your blender, and blend until smooth.  Add back to pan, and
bring to a simmer.  Add flour whisking constantly.  It will thicken right
up.  Move off the heat.

 

Put roasted tomatoes into your blender, and blend until smooth, then add to
rue.  Stir it all up until blended.  Now add sugar and season to taste
(canned tomatoes, chicken base, and cooking sherry all have a bunch of salt,
so taste it first before adding salt).  NOTE  The sugar is very important,
if you taste it as you add it you will notice how it brings out flavor.  Use
more or less to taste.  

 

Last, add milk or cream.  (Reheat the soup, but don't boil it after milk is
added)

 

Garnish with your favorite garnish (chopped fresh basil or parsley, parmesan
cheese are all good) and serve with your favorite fish.

 

Enjoy!

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Re: [VFB] Off topic (but tasty)

[Tom Davenport]

Actually, I used the milk when I made the soup, and it tasted great.  I figured 
a stick of butter was enough fat.  This recipe makes three quarts, so thats 
only a 1/3 tablespoon of butter per cup of soup, around 40 fat calories. 
Everything else is healthy, healthy.  Make it and enjoy! 

My wife hasn't divorced me yet, and judging by the way I have seen people die, 
a heart attack isn't a bad way to go, especially if you get the timing 
right...say the day before they decide to stick you in the nursing home...


On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Mike Barrett wrote:

 Is your intent for the wife to divorce you or kill yourself by heart attack?
  
 Mike Barrett
 21133 West View
 Wharton, NJ 07885
 Cell: 201-841-3775
  
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 Of Tom Davenport
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:10 PM
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [VFB] Off topic (but tasty)
  
 OK you guys, this is a recipe for hot tomato soup to enjoy after a day of 
 fishing (as temperatures cool).  I want to share it somewhere, and I have no 
 plans of EVER joining a recipe sharing site. 
  
 I have had an abundance of tomatoes, and have been looking for ways to use 
 them up, so I have been experimenting with various recipes  for tomato soup.  
 None tasted like I wanted till this one, which is a blending of the good 
 ideas from all of the others. Delete or enjoy:
  
 Tom's Roasted Tomato/Basil Onion Rue Cream of Tomato Soup. (Tom Soup)
  
 Ingredients:
  
 1 (8 tablespoon stick) of butter, melted .
 1 medium onion, diced 
 1 garlic clove
 Handful of fresh basil (or dry basil, to taste)
 1 cup cooking sherry (or the real thing if you have it)
  
 74 oz of fresh tomatoes (or same amount of canned tomatoes if fresh isn't 
 available)
 3 tablespoons chicken soup base (this is a paste sold in a jar)
 3 tablespoons brown sugar
 3 bay leaves
 salt, white  or black pepper to taste (taste before seasoning, some of the 
 other ingredients already are salted)
  
 1-1/2 cup whole milk, OR  half and half, OR cream (depending on whether your 
 wife is watching).
  
 Instructions:
  
 Fire up the grill, and lay the tomatoes on, and roast over medium heat.  If 
 using canned tomatoes, you can get a similar result by draining the liquid 
 (set it aside and add back later) then broiling the tomatoes under the 
 broiler.
  
 While the tomatoes are roasting, melt butter, and add onion, garlic, basil 
 and sherry.  Cook until onions are transparent, then pour all of the 
 ingredients into your blender, and blend until smooth.  Add back to pan, and 
 bring to a simmer.  Add flour whisking constantly.  It will thicken right up. 
  Move off the heat.
  
 Put roasted tomatoes into your blender, and blend until smooth, then add to 
 rue.  Stir it all up until blended.  Now add sugar and season to taste 
 (canned tomatoes, chicken base, and cooking sherry all have a bunch of salt, 
 so taste it first before adding salt).  NOTE  The sugar is very important, if 
 you taste it as you add it you will notice how it brings out flavor.  Use 
 more or less to taste.  
  
 Last, add milk or cream.  (Reheat the soup, but don't boil it after milk is 
 added)
  
 Garnish with your favorite garnish (chopped fresh basil or parsley, parmesan 
 cheese are all good) and serve with your favorite fish.
  
 Enjoy!
 
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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Chuck]

I don't feel you are out of line. Penny will be included in our prayers. 
Chuck Haase
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Subject: [VFB] Off-topic



This is off-topic, so if you want to kick me out...do so.

I would appreciate prayers for my daughter, Penny Abell.
She's going in for an MRI on Thursday to see if her brain
tumor is beginning to recur or if the chemo is keeping
it in remission.

Thanks.

a.

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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Don Ordes]

Same here, Allen.

DonO
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She, and your whole family will be in my thoughts and prayers Alan,

Dan Harriman
Orange Texas

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  Subject: [VFB] Off-topic
  To: Virtual Flybox vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 8:44 PM


  This is off-topic, so if you want to kick me out...do so.

  I would appreciate prayers for my daughter, Penny Abell.
  She's going in for an MRI on Thursday to see if her brain
  tumor is beginning to recur or if the chemo is keeping
  it in remission.

  Thanks.

  a.

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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Niclas Runarsson]

Something like that is never off-topic in the VFB family. 
(If someone kicks you out, then I'll join you.)

Your daughter will be in our prayers here in Sweden.

/Nick


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Skickat: den 19 september 2010 03:45
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Ämne: [VFB] Off-topic


This is off-topic, so if you want to kick me out...do so.

I would appreciate prayers for my daughter, Penny Abell.
She's going in for an MRI on Thursday to see if her brain
tumor is beginning to recur or if the chemo is keeping
it in remission.

Thanks.

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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Dan]

She, and your whole family will be in my thoughts and prayers Alan,

Dan Harriman
Orange Texas

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From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [VFB] Off-topic
To: Virtual Flybox vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 8:44 PM

This is off-topic, so if you want to kick me out...do so.

I would appreciate prayers for my daughter, Penny Abell.
She's going in for an MRI on Thursday to see if her brain
tumor is beginning to recur or if the chemo is keeping
it in remission.

Thanks.

a.

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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Larry Johnson]

Not a problem here.  Tell Penny we all love her and are including her in our 
prayers

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Re: [VFB] Off-topic

[Chuck Alexander]

Allan: I wrote you a long letter off list, but let us know what the MRI said 
ASAP OK??? Thanks, Chuck


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She's going in for an MRI on Thursday to see if her brain
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Thanks.

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Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC.. I need to do some trading

[Desert Eagle]

Chuck, I have an extra router. Send me your snail mail and it will be out 
tomorrow.
Jimi
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The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but
because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original
right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton

George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, 
he shot them!
Live free or die fighting!!
We are Many, They are Few.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: [VFB] OFF TOPIC.. I need to do some trading


Folks: I'm sorry that this is OFF TOPIC, but I need help. I must have been a 
good little boy this year because I found out today that my wife is getting 
me a laptop for Christmas. But, I need a router for it. Now, if somebody has 
one they are not using and could use some furled leaders, a book or two on 
fly tying, some hooks, or other materials I have a l;ot of, like  deer hair, 
I'd be glad to trade. My son says the routers are generic, but I'm not so 
sure about that so I need help in that dept too. My provider is Hughes Net, 
so If anybody could help, I'd be forever beholden. Thanks a LOT, Chuck


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