[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:50:14 +0200, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I release work under creative commons share alike - people are free to use my work commercially only when they use the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Wed, 24 May 2006 21:11:33 +0200, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't by-sa be mixed with nc-sa? Because the first stipulates that any new works must be released under a by-sa license while the second stipulates that the new work must be released under a nc-sa license. As the CC

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
I would think the more restrictive includes both: by-nc-sa. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2006 21:11:33 +0200, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't by-sa be mixed with nc-sa? Because the first stipulates

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
No, it must be the *same* license. - Andreas On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:09:26 +0200, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the more restrictive includes both: by-nc-sa. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2006

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
Though it doesn't look like it should. - Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it must be the *same* license. - Andreas On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:09:26 +0200, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the more restrictive

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
What part of If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you *may* distribute the resulting work *only* under a license identical to this one is unclear to you (emphasis mine)? And from the legal code: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Charles HOPE
Legal loophole: can a work have two licenses simultaneously? Andreas Haugstrup wrote: What part of "If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you *may* distribute the resulting work *only* under a license identical to this one" is unclear to you (emphasis mine)? And from the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Charles HOPE
Andreas Haugstrup wrote: Normally, yes, but not in this care. The license says: "You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this License, a later version of this License with the same License

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
Just as it is the duty of all men to obey just laws, so it is the duty of all men to disobey unjust laws. -- Martin Luther King Jr. ; --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What part of If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you *may*

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:27 +0200, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Haugstrup wrote: Normally, yes, but not in this care. The license says: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:27 +0200, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Haugstrup wrote: Normally, yes, but not in this care. The license says: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Charles HOPE
It didn't say "equal to" though. It said "contains the same". In vernacular English it can go either way. Do you have a picture of Lindsay Lohan and one of Keira Knightly on your website? Cool, my site contains the sameones. (But I also have a picture of a decapitated elephant.) And my

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
So is the sampling license the way to go for allowing remixing? http://creativecommons.org/license/sampling?format=audio -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com http://www.cinegage.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it must be the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
Legal licenses are written in legal vernacular. Since neither of us are lawyers we get to use the human-readable description to guide us to the right interpretation of same. It reads: If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under a

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
Any license which is not a Share-Alike allows for easy re-use in one form or another. It's up to each individual to choose which one is best for them. - Andreas On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:45:02 +0200, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is the sampling license the way to go for allowing

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Charles HOPE
"You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this License, a later version of this License with the same License Elements as this License, or a Creative Commons iCommons license that contains the same

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
The translations are identical (they give/retain the same rights), but must be considered different licenses since they are adapted for each jurisdiction. Are we done nitpicking or do you have an actual point to get to? - Andreas On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:51:09 +0200, Charles HOPE [EMAIL

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Charles HOPE
Andreas Haugstrup wrote: The translations are identical (they give/retain the same rights), but must be considered different licenses since they are adapted for each jurisdiction. Are we done nitpicking or do you have an actual point to get to? Sure. If the 2nd phrase has any

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Michael Verdi
okay - wow - this has gone far (but interesting) from what I was asking about so let me try again.The licence that I was talking about was BY-SA. I DO want to allow remixes and sampling. According to that license if you alter or make a derivitive work you must release it under the same license

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread Enric
So share would be a poor choice of words since it connotates permission whereas the license restricts. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any license which is not a Share-Alike allows for easy re-use in one form or another. It's up

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-24 Thread wtrainbow
That's not the way I read the License. Attribution Share Alike (by-sa) This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work even for commercial reasons, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. This license is often compared to open

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-15 Thread wtrainbow
Hello Charles, I'm not sure what your point is. You can certainly make the argument that copyright law is morally wrong, I don't agree it is, but even if you and others believe it is so what. Are you advocating violating copyright law as some sort of protest? The fact is that there are

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-15 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Will,On 5/15/06, wtrainbow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Charles,I'm not sure what your point is.You can certainly make the argument that copyright law ismorally wrong, I don't agree it is, but even if you and others believe it is so what.Are you advocating violating copyright law as

[videoblogging] Re: Copyright radical

2006-05-15 Thread Bill Streeter
I've been a big fan of Negativland for years so I was pleased to see an interview with one of the members of Negativland Mark Holser at Minnesota Stories (http://www.mnstories.com/archives/2006/05/negativlands_ma.html). Watch it if you can, because Mark has an interesting take on CC and