[videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
I have been doing a lot of thinking as I come close to my 3 year mark of vlogging. From the outset of vlogging almost everyone settled on the blog format for their site. And I think at that time it worked. However, now.I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's off your homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, maybe that is no big deal, but.I think some of us all make a few videos that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog format, there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your site) to show off those posts. It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of themes that take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a small handfull and most of those you have to pay for. I am just curious as to what you all think? I just don't knowI mean part of me likes the blog/vlog format as it is, but I find myself longing for a different way to show off my video's moreso the ones that I want to showcase or ones that I am fond of...I mean I could revlog but So what do you all like and dislike about the current vlog format? What would you like to see? Just curious... Heath http://heathparks.com
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
However, now.I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's off your homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, maybe that is no big deal, but.I think some of us all make a few videos that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog format, there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your site) to show off those posts. It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of themes that take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a small handful and most of those you have to pay for. Agreed. this was the thinking behind http://showinabox.tv. just trying to kickstart the awareness that a blog platform like Wordpress has a lot of room to expand when it comes to videoblogging. I think there are actually a lot more plugins being built these days for video. But yes, the videocentric themes are the missing link. It's a lot of work to build a theme. Cheryl Colan built this theme for us: http://ryanishungry.com it does a lot of the things you're talking about when we used it with the plugins that Charles built. lots of thumbnails and searchable text. when you click on a video...older, related videos pop up so our archive stays fresh. I think the biggest challenge is just imagining the perfect theme for you. Draw it out on a piece of paper. Then find a themer willing to build it (and be willing to pay them!) what does your perfect videoblog look like? Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Canon 5D Mark II
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Scott Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a chance to use this camera yet? I have been seeing the video this produces and I'm blown away. I currently shoot with a Canon XH-A1 and I'm seriously considering getting the 5D Mark II because of the quality of the footage. Anyone played with one? Thoughts? Looks like it's back-ordered at BH. probably take a year or so before the cameras are in the wild. http://bit.ly/14ujy I love it because of the idea of carrying around an SLR around my neck...and shooting video without using my hands. great for shooting in places that might be wary of video. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] YouTube Embed Customizer
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Twitter Vlog has a great script for building a high quality version of a YouTube embed. I took it a slightly different direction and make it easy for you to autostart videos, make them loop, and/or embed the high quality version without needing to add the individual parameters each time. http://www.jakeludington.com/youtube-code-generator.phtml you should add this info to the wiki for future reference: http://videoblogginggroup.pbwiki.com Find the best category...or make up a new one. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Video on how to tell a story
Nothing new here: http://www.nctj.com/resources.php But it's interesting to watch an old school journalist break down how a video news story is put together. I'm not sure ive ever consciously ever followed these steps. there does seem to be something much different about a videoblog story than a TV news story. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Presenting stills in video
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for interesting ways to incorporate still photos into video. If you've seen any interesting ways they have been presented, post a link. Looking for alternatives to the tried and true Ken Burns style. sounds like you want to mix photos with video. But the first thing I thought of was this video by Lan Bui where he made a video out of photos. http://www.videoofthemoment.com/2007/06/pixelodeon-2007-picture-video.html seems like such a simple concept but really turned out well. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Canon 5D Mark II
Yes, back-ordered everywhere. I have called around though and most vendors think it will be 1-2 months until they have them. Some, like Best Buy actually says they'll be shipping in a couple of weeks... Crossing my fingers! -Scott On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Scott Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] theamericancliche%40gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a chance to use this camera yet? I have been seeing the video this produces and I'm blown away. I currently shoot with a Canon XH-A1 and I'm seriously considering getting the 5D Mark II because of the quality of the footage. Anyone played with one? Thoughts? Looks like it's back-ordered at BH. probably take a year or so before the cameras are in the wild. http://bit.ly/14ujy I love it because of the idea of carrying around an SLR around my neck...and shooting video without using my hands. great for shooting in places that might be wary of video. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 -- --- American Cliche http://www.americancliche.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video on how to tell a story
To me there's a large element of YAWN to the strictures and suggestions being proffered here on how to tell 'journalistic' video stories. How very very dull it all becomes when you tell people this is how you should do it if it's to be done correctly. So terribly boring. Watch those eyelines. Don't shoot from below. And definitely no jump cuts. Godard must be vomiting as we speak. I pity the poor trainee journalists being shown this video. Free your mind, tell your stories in whatever way feels good to you. Life's too short. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing new here: http://www.nctj.com/resources.php But it's interesting to watch an old school journalist break down how a video news story is put together. I'm not sure ive ever consciously ever followed these steps. there does seem to be something much different about a videoblog story than a TV news story. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] For those interested in Open Source video....
http://osvideo.constantvzw.org/ Open Source Video is a project of Constant, a Brussels based organisation for Arts and Media. This weblog is a collective testsite for producing and distributing open source video. Here we keep traces of experiments with software for sharing and editing video, and report on what we found to be effective hardware, good linux distributions and helpful configurations. Also: tips and hints on where to find manuals, practical info on using software etc. This blog contains posts on annotating, tracing, collectively editing and sharing video online. We are interested in finding ways to make archived video material accessible, to make it searchable and keep video archives alive by allowing the content to be re-interpreted. FOSS (free and open source software) tools for video are still a long way from competing with tools like FCP. BUT open source video tools are moving forward. The key is to get video creators to start talking to the FOSS developers. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: For those interested in Open Source video....
FOSS (free and open source software) tools for video are still a long way from competing with tools like FCP. BUT open source video tools are moving forward. The key is to get video creators to start talking to the FOSS developers. and for the really hardcore...there is http://openvideoalliance.org. This is a new initiative to get video creators and developers to start agreeing on what is needed for the video workflow to be all open source. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Editing Program Publishing Options
MM has all I need in way of bells and whistles but it has an extremely annoying cut tool which I find very difficult to deploy the way I want. So I'm learning to use VirtualDub which slices and dices like the best kitchen helper tool. There's no comparison in the way Virtual Dub cuts the clips and its better than Ulead and Pinnacle, I think, in that regard. The ebook manual written for it is very comnprehensive: http://www.packtpub.com/virtualdub/book. I gather there are quite a few folk in the video universe who prefer to combine VirtualDub with Movie Maker so I was wandering what sort of capture to publish protocol they followed? I assume that finishing off would also involved QuickTime Pro prior to upload -- so that's three program tools for the one end result. I've got no issues with that. I just want precise control over my slices and dices... I was just helping a friend this week figure out how to import clips from a new HD camcorder onto his Windows machine. Since I use a mac, I am learning myself. The difficult part is getting clips so Movie Maker will recognize them. we used MPEG Streamclip to convert files: http://www.squared5.com/ My friend didn't mind Movie Maker too much, but I also showed him how to do simple editing in QT Pro. Ill definitely send him a link Virtual dub. its too bad one lightweight program doesnt do it all on the PC. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long monologue. I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although I couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when I saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site and my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like this thing couldn't stand on it's own so he put 30 on one page. I suggested that he set up in a landscape format (as opposed to portrait, or blog) which would embrace his theme, keep relevant content on the page at all times, be an efficient use of space and would let each video (or 2) be it's own story. I could actually see myself watching all 15 videos with this kind of layout if the content was good with some clever storytelling. Leave me with a cliffhanger, or give me a text based teaser to draw me into the next video. --- Community --- Also, this kind of a layout creates a dialogue. I watch it then I talk about it. It's the give and take, the interaction with the viewer that we're all looking for. Let me watch a video and digest it. Then I'll comment on it. The traditional blog format reminds me of online tit for tat email communication that I find becomes 2 dueling monologues. When you create a series of communication, or a series of argument, there is a critical loss of context. We forget what we were talking about. The discussion becomes about the minutia or the meta, and the greater understanding or message is lost. It quite literally is the presentation of parts - the parts are greater than the whole. I don't think it works well for online communication, and I don't think it works well for communicating with multimedia content. It isolates the viewer, it isolates the content creator, and it isolates the content itself. It looks like it's all connected, but in reality it's just a list. It's like a quoted, line by line email argument as opposed to a well thought out and crafted piece of prose. JMHO... --- Tunnel Vision --- I'm in the process of creating a large community website based on dog sports. It's very ambitious, and I'm going to be facing competitors that have very deep pockets. It's pretty intimidating, to tell the truth. I'm working very hard to create a really nice looking site that has boatloads of functionality. One of the things that I've struggled with is the organizational heirarchy of the site - both in terms of navigation and content presentation. It's very hard. My greatest goal is to bring these heretofore disparate communities, 6 of them with very different mindsets but one common passion of working with dogs, together. I took that single mindedness and tried to force my needs, my comfort zone and my goals on them, the enduser. It would have failed. I wanted a simple menu structure that presented content and access to content from each community on each page. I wound up with a convoluted and hard to follow menu structure, kind of like what is currently on http://k9disc.com . It just wasn't compelling, and the goal of elegance and inclusiveness trumped the usability of the site. If I would have stuck with that model, my deep pocketed competitors would smoke me, of that, I'm sure. But stepping back and reevaluating my approach prompted me to make some changes that were a bit uncomfortable for me personally, and for my conceptualization of the
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and don't force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long monologue. I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although I couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when I saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site and my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like this thing couldn't stand on it's own so he put 30 on one page. I suggested that he set up in a landscape format (as opposed to portrait, or blog) which would embrace his theme, keep relevant content on the page at all times, be an efficient use of space and would let each video (or 2) be it's own story. I could actually see myself watching all 15 videos with this kind of layout if the content was good with some clever storytelling. Leave me with a cliffhanger, or give me a text based teaser to draw me into the next video. --- Community --- Also, this kind of a layout creates a dialogue. I watch it then I talk about it. It's the give and take, the interaction with the viewer that we're all looking for. Let me watch a video and digest it. Then I'll comment on it. The traditional blog format reminds me of online tit for tat email communication that I find becomes 2 dueling monologues. When you create a series of communication, or a series of argument, there is a critical loss of context. We forget what we were talking about. The discussion becomes about the minutia or the meta, and the greater understanding or message is lost. It quite literally is the presentation of parts - the parts are greater than the whole. I don't think it works well for online communication, and I don't think it works well for
Re: [videoblogging] Re: For those interested in Open Source video....
Thanks Jay! I'll just be happy when VLC has perfected transcoding videos from any format to any format. In the ability to play any video format VLC and open source are far superior due their ability to skirt hundreds of different incompatible licensing issues. THis also means open source will clearly have the edge in transcoding between formats in the future. These to core things alone are the bedrock of all video editing and the primary need of 99% of home users out there. What's more open source transcoding is already dominating in consumer friendly websites like vixy.net and mux.am... though I'm not sure what the primary video hosts from youtube, to vimeo to blip are using. Even though video editing will always be based on the desktop cumputer the line is going to increasingly blur. What's most important to me is that video be able to transparently be shifted into whatever format / codec / size you need it for whatever device. Indeed the cloud is rapidly addressing this issue. Hopefully some universal standard will evolve for serving videos to any device though I look around and couldn't pic where it is going. I don't think flash can possibly adapt to the thousands of handheld devices, but then I've been wrong about flash before. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOSS (free and open source software) tools for video are still a long way from competing with tools like FCP. BUT open source video tools are moving forward. The key is to get video creators to start talking to the FOSS developers. and for the really hardcore...there is http://openvideoalliance.org. This is a new initiative to get video creators and developers to start agreeing on what is needed for the video workflow to be all open source. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? it would be a webring which isnt a bad thing. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Together we can! lol! Community is the new capitalism: http://k9athlete.com/ Community is More than Dollars and Cents If you haven't noticed, Community is becoming the new capitalism. Banks, insurance companies, weapons manufacturers, all trying to capitalize on the need for community in these crazy times we live in. If you watch any TV, you'll see it. TV networks, international food conglomerates, big box retailers - all of them spending tons of money trying to convince people that they are about community. It's bunk, but it's a trend, and in these trying times, people want it - they're going to buy it. If dog sport people buy that, we're going to lose the connection to our community, just as we've lost our connection to our community in our daily lives. Community is about people, and in our case, people and dogs. Big money sponsors don't care about people and dogs, they care about dollars and cents. I've been one of those community types for a long time, since the late 90s. Staying away from box stores, buying local, turning off the TV and connecting with people that share my passion, I've lost my connection with popular culture and have replaced it with a connection to smaller, local and passionate communities. K9Athlete.com is about devloping a real live dog sport community. This is an important component of keeping dog sports viable into the future. Are people going to make money at K9Athlete.com, sure, but they will do so by serving the community. Read the first entry entitled: 'Coming Together' (and if anyone would like to see what I'm trying to do in building this community, let me know and I'll give you some admin privileges and let you see the closed alpha development of the site. It's a big project.). I'm trying to articulate the need for community and sharing and how it can work to build and maintain a community. I'm injecting politics, but trying to be careful and not alienate anybody. I think these thoughts resonate with most people these days. I was talking to a friend of mine, a video producer, photographer, crazy dog person and all in all smart cookie, and he was talking about this moment in time and all the projects popping in the dog sport world at this very moment. He called it a 'Christmas feeling' - the fact that people are staying home, hunkering down and trying to make a living doing what makes them happy as opposed to selling their souls to the company store. I agreed, but I have a much harsher and black and white understanding. People are sick and tired of corporate control and power, and the fact that we just forked over a TRILLION dollars to the bastards that defrauded us in the first place, and that we're still going to tank, pushed many people over the edge and made them realize that all of us people have to stick together. That's where we're going. We're going to come together - not because we want to, but because we have to. I think your mentioning a 'webring' is a great thought, but it needs to be inclusive. A webring is still individualistic. We need to become a community. We give our time (and our money) to eachother - to people who share our passions and our beliefs. We need to work toghether. We need one place to go and do our thing. It's the operating premise of k9athlete.com, and I think it's the operating premise behind your 'webring' thought. We've got to come together in a way that goes beyond twitter, beyond this list and beyond the usage of tools and discussion. I don't know what needs to be done or how, but I know why. We have to it's not working as is. And I, probably like many of you, just can't fucking do youtube. It's shallow and stinks of popular, consumer culture and I' not interested. I want something more. peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Rupert wrote: I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
I've never been a fan of the blog format for video (even when putting together the last Vloggercon, I was against making the site in the blog format, but was alone in that thought). Though I ended up not using it for my own personal videoblog site (many hours of discussion with web/dev friends steered me away), I still believe using something like Sweetcron could be an interesting way of showing your work. http://www.sweetcron.com/ Especially when people are putting various sorts of videos on a variety of video hosts. For instance, some people put teasers on youtube and Behind The Scenes on Vimeo. But you want a site that will aggregate all of that content. Anyway, my two cents. Blog is Dead, Long Live the Blog. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and don't force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long monologue. I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although I couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when I saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site and my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like this thing couldn't stand on it's own so he put 30 on one page. I suggested that he set up in a landscape format (as opposed to portrait, or blog) which would embrace his theme, keep relevant content on the page at all times, be an efficient use of space and would let each video (or 2) be it's own story. I could actually see myself watching all 15 videos with this kind of
[videoblogging] photo cameras that shoot decent video
Howdy all, I've been looking at getting a new carry everywhere / do-it-all camera. I need something that takes non-proprietary batteries (AA) so as not to be caught without juice, that shoots photos primarily but also does decent video. I'm looking at IS (image stabilization), high ISO (1600, 3200, 6400), a minimum of 10x optical zoom and at least 640x480 video, preferably 1280x720. After careful research I've come up with the below models. This is not the pro caliber stuff that people hear are used to just the mid range high zoom market. The reasoning being it's better to have a camera (any camera) with you when you need it then no camera at all. I realize most people on this list are also looking at this from another perspective... video first, photo second. There's still quite a huge gap between these two perspectives but I'm glad it's finally at least starting to fill. Anyway, what follows are the models and primary specs. I'd appreciate any feedback / recommendations or alternatives. == Kodak 1012IS == - 2 AA batteries - IS = image stabilization, ALL cameras in this range have IS now - 12x optical zoom - 3200 ISO standard, up to 6400 at 3.1mp - 1270x720 video / 30fps - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?btnG=Searchcid=15232942994291666965 *high ISO ranges are not usually useable (to many artifacts and to much color distortion) they're merely an indicator of what the camera *might* be capable... usualy 400-800 ISO max with moderate grain and color distortion == Fujifilm FinePix S2000HD == - 4 AA (bulkiest of the three) - 15x zoom - 1600 ISO standard (3200 and 6400 at 5mp in high iso mode) - 1280x720 / 30fps video (cannot use zoom while recording) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=9218357819657745871 == PowerShot SX110 IS == - 10x optical zoom - 2 AA - 1600 ISO (3200 mode at lower mpixels) - 640x480 30fps - much more compact than Kodak or Fuji's comparable models - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=8592811692719816882 All these retail for about $200-250 dollars. It is in fact amazing the value you get and how far cheap cameras have progressed in the last few years. The one thing the specs can't tell you is what kind of image and color quality you can expect. Compounding this is the fact that all these are two new to be well shot with and well reviewed so all i can do is look at the reviews of last years cameras and what people are shooting with them on flickr, vimeo and elsewhere. Even though the Fuji is far and away the best by specs I believe it's image quality to be a huge gamble. It's also the most bulky and you cannot zoom while recording video which is a hare chincy. The Canon has a known and actually very good image quality and is the most compact of the three but is lacking in the specs. Lowest ISO, lowest zoom and only basic 640x480 video. This leaves me with the Kodak. The image quality is a small bit of a gamble but I believe I'll be happy with it. It's also very well spec'd. As far as video is concerned I intend to use this camera for shooting short 30-90 second unedited set shots in HD. (I'm going granular.) I intend to host these on Vimeo and Flickr maybe even youtube should youtube start supporting HD for free... but I would not pay for youtube. I already have a Flickr Pro account and will will consider going pro on VImeo should I find I use it enough, but won't need it to start with due Vimeo's gracious posting limits. I think that sums it all up. Hopefully others at least find this interesting. I'd love to know what others think. I hope as well that I've not overlooked previous like discussions in my research prior to posting this. If so please let me know. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Great! Another application to check out! downloaded and checking it out...lol peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Dec 10, 2008, at 2:01 PM, schlomo rabinowitz wrote: I've never been a fan of the blog format for video (even when putting together the last Vloggercon, I was against making the site in the blog format, but was alone in that thought). Though I ended up not using it for my own personal videoblog site (many hours of discussion with web/dev friends steered me away), I still believe using something like Sweetcron could be an interesting way of showing your work. http://www.sweetcron.com/ Especially when people are putting various sorts of videos on a variety of video hosts. For instance, some people put teasers on youtube and Behind The Scenes on Vimeo. But you want a site that will aggregate all of that content. Anyway, my two cents. Blog is Dead, Long Live the Blog. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and don't force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long monologue. I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although I couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when I saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site and my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It triggers the idea of a lack of
[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin. It would be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the option to select one's yourself. And while I do like SIAB, there are still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the whole blog structure. I have been mulling over how I would like my ideal theme and once I have that, I will start a thread on SIAB but I am interested to hear what others think as well, what do people like, dislike, etc...I mean let's really look at how this is all done, I'd really like to see some kick butt inovations out there related to video themes...among other things Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, now.I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's off your homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, maybe that is no big deal, but.I think some of us all make a few videos that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog format, there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your site) to show off those posts. It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of themes that take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a small handful and most of those you have to pay for. Agreed. this was the thinking behind http://showinabox.tv. just trying to kickstart the awareness that a blog platform like Wordpress has a lot of room to expand when it comes to videoblogging. I think there are actually a lot more plugins being built these days for video. But yes, the videocentric themes are the missing link. It's a lot of work to build a theme. Cheryl Colan built this theme for us: http://ryanishungry.com it does a lot of the things you're talking about when we used it with the plugins that Charles built. lots of thumbnails and searchable text. when you click on a video...older, related videos pop up so our archive stays fresh. I think the biggest challenge is just imagining the perfect theme for you. Draw it out on a piece of paper. Then find a themer willing to build it (and be willing to pay them!) what does your perfect videoblog look like? Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Yeah, Rupert it was your video that got me to thinking about all this even more than I currently was. Again I go back to there are some things I like, I think you can create a community with the blog format and it's easy...I think for me, it's more the layout than anything and I just want easier ways for people to connect with my older stuff. I have some other ideas as well, but I want to flesh them about a bit first... And also, it's knowing what you want to do...I mean I like the personal aspect of vlogging, I like Rupert, Jay, Ryanne, Michael, Robert, Croma, David Meade, Bekah, Cheryl, Clintus, etc etc...I like watching those guys and gals, so I would never want that personal side to go away...I do wish we could figure out how to be more communal with our approach and sitesI mean that was the whole thing behind my Vids I Like tab on my sitebut does anyone ever check out that? How do I also show the things and stuff I like from other people on my front page, where most of the action happens?... Great thoughts so far from everyoneI love it!! Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and don't force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long monologue. I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although I couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when I saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site and my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content, I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic. When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like this thing couldn't stand on
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online video and videblogging. The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the format in which the material itself is viewed. Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here with great interest. I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or series-based project. Brook On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Rupert it was your video that got me to thinking about all this even more than I currently was. Again I go back to there are some things I like, I think you can create a community with the blog format and it's easy...I think for me, it's more the layout than anything and I just want easier ways for people to connect with my older stuff. I have some other ideas as well, but I want to flesh them about a bit first... And also, it's knowing what you want to do...I mean I like the personal aspect of vlogging, I like Rupert, Jay, Ryanne, Michael, Robert, Croma, David Meade, Bekah, Cheryl, Clintus, etc etc...I like watching those guys and gals, so I would never want that personal side to go away...I do wish we could figure out how to be more communal with our approach and sitesI mean that was the whole thing behind my Vids I Like tab on my sitebut does anyone ever check out that? How do I also show the things and stuff I like from other people on my front page, where most of the action happens?... Great thoughts so far from everyoneI love it!! Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago. I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting things since then. Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, but how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and how daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line down the page. I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog. It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the producer. Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to like the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was the easiest way to do publishing and podcasting. Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much so that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them. I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU, Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good new designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and don't force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance. For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote: Great topic, Heath! I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome! I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability. It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long endeavor. I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not good for holding people's attention. If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can hold an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design. There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for video blogging. Story telling and Community. --- Story Telling --- I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and appealing vibe,
Re: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
was just going to write the same thing, jay ;) On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, I think there may be an element of needing more interlinked networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside of your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't that the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more videos by the same person or jump to something related but made by someone totally different? it would be a webring which isnt a bad thing. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online video and videblogging. The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the format in which the material itself is viewed. Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here with great interest. I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or series-based project. Im glad Heath started this thread. Maybe we need to identify what people don't like. When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of posts from Recent to old? When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html. he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website everytime I wanted to post a new video. That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart. Youtube is a CMS. all these videos sites we use are content management systems. I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog. I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in real time. I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the headerthis is the footer... and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to change it. I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange content everyday just by dragging it around. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin. It would be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the option to select one's yourself. And while I do like SIAB, there are still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the whole blog structure. yeah...showinabox.tv/forum was really just a way to start a new conversation about using video and Worpress since WP seemed to be the preferred blogging platform. SIAB is by no means a technical solution. the experience has taught us just how much development/design work it takes to make new themes and plugins. Plus the maintenance of these things you build as well. by the way, the wordpress community has about 100 video plugins: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php/page/7?q=video Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Actually there is a nice drupal/WP template out there that does exactly that. I am trying to remember the name, but can't... I remember the basic theme was blue, 3 columns, with an old-mac feel to the module styling Cheers, MFM --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online video and videblogging. The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the format in which the material itself is viewed. Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here with great interest. I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or series-based project. Im glad Heath started this thread. Maybe we need to identify what people don't like. When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of posts from Recent to old? When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html. he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website everytime I wanted to post a new video. That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart. Youtube is a CMS. all these videos sites we use are content management systems. I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog. I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in real time. I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the headerthis is the footer... and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to change it. I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange content everyday just by dragging it around. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: Editing Program Publishing Options
How 'bout VideoSpin? That's what I use and despite it always crashing when I first open it, it works well on the second time :-) Cheers, MFM --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MM has all I need in way of bells and whistles but it has an extremely annoying cut tool which I find very difficult to deploy the way I want. So I'm learning to use VirtualDub which slices and dices like the best kitchen helper tool. There's no comparison in the way Virtual Dub cuts the clips and its better than Ulead and Pinnacle, I think, in that regard. The ebook manual written for it is very comnprehensive: http://www.packtpub.com/virtualdub/book. I gather there are quite a few folk in the video universe who prefer to combine VirtualDub with Movie Maker so I was wandering what sort of capture to publish protocol they followed? I assume that finishing off would also involved QuickTime Pro prior to upload -- so that's three program tools for the one end result. I've got no issues with that. I just want precise control over my slices and dices... I was just helping a friend this week figure out how to import clips from a new HD camcorder onto his Windows machine. Since I use a mac, I am learning myself. The difficult part is getting clips so Movie Maker will recognize them. we used MPEG Streamclip to convert files: http://www.squared5.com/ My friend didn't mind Movie Maker too much, but I also showed him how to do simple editing in QT Pro. Ill definitely send him a link Virtual dub. its too bad one lightweight program doesnt do it all on the PC. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Have you seen this? It's pretty sweet! http://mochaui.com/demo/ Peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Jay dedman wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online video and videblogging. The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the format in which the material itself is viewed. Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here with great interest. I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or series-based project. Im glad Heath started this thread. Maybe we need to identify what people don't like. When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of posts from Recent to old? When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html. he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website everytime I wanted to post a new video. That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart. Youtube is a CMS. all these videos sites we use are content management systems. I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog. I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in real time. I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the headerthis is the footer... and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to change it. I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange content everyday just by dragging it around. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Just drag and drop the folder onto your server and it's good to go. Crazy stuff, man! peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Ron Watson wrote: Have you seen this? It's pretty sweet! http://mochaui.com/demo/ Peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Jay dedman wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online video and videblogging. The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the format in which the material itself is viewed. Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here with great interest. I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or series-based project. Im glad Heath started this thread. Maybe we need to identify what people don't like. When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of posts from Recent to old? When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html. he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website everytime I wanted to post a new video. That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart. Youtube is a CMS. all these videos sites we use are content management systems. I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog. I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in real time. I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the headerthis is the footer... and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to change it. I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange content everyday just by dragging it around. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Right, WP does have a lot of video plugins, and I do like WP as a way to have my site, but on the video plugin front it seems most are just a way to collect random video's from YT, etc. Now I will admit I have not looked at all the video plugins but in this whole process of re-doing my sites, I looked at a lot of plugins...There are plugins to display your video, podpress, flash players, Vodpod and a couple of others but none really address the look of the site and to be honest the Blip player is starting to look really, really good. So then we are to embed and there are a few that help with that, but again, some are hinky, some won't work with the latest wordpress and some are just bad. Then you have all your recent posts or ramdom postsmost don't take advantage of the Video format or even the photo format to be honest...there are a few that I have seen but again, they are a bit hinky, I mean if I have to go into code, or read a freakin novel to figure out how a plugin is to work.that doesn't appeal to me...I am a creatorI am not a programer, I mean I have learned stuff, but it makes my head hurt and then once I figure something out on the code side the creative part of me is beat and I don't feel like making the very thing I wanted to make in the first place.. That for me is one of my biggest struggles, balancing the look of my site and just creating the stuffI admire those who do both I am glad to see so much conversation going on though, it's good to just talk about all this and who knows maybe we can find/make a better way... ;) Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin. It would be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the option to select one's yourself. And while I do like SIAB, there are still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the whole blog structure. yeah...showinabox.tv/forum was really just a way to start a new conversation about using video and Worpress since WP seemed to be the preferred blogging platform. SIAB is by no means a technical solution. the experience has taught us just how much development/design work it takes to make new themes and plugins. Plus the maintenance of these things you build as well. by the way, the wordpress community has about 100 video plugins: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php/page/7?q=video Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
Then you have all your recent posts or ramdom postsmost don't take advantage of the Video format or even the photo format to be honest...there are a few that I have seen but again, they are a bit hinky, I mean if I have to go into code, or read a freakin novel to figure out how a plugin is to work.that doesn't appeal to me...I am a creatorI am not a programer, I mean I have learned stuff, but it makes my head hurt and then once I figure something out on the code side the creative part of me is beat and I don't feel like making the very thing I wanted to make in the first place.. That for me is one of my biggest struggles, balancing the look of my site and just creating the stuffI admire those who do both totally agreed. as a video creator, i get stuck on how much PHP or CSS i need to learn to build my site. This is why I wish I could have a Blog (content management system), but I could manipulate he look like my desktop. I just drag around the elements to where I want them. I dont want sidebar, header, footer...i want anything to be where I want it by just manipulating with my cursor. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
The core complication isn't so much video per se but the whole Web 2.0
multimedia explosion. Text is easy to format and showcase -- we've
been laying it out for centuries -- but digital media is a major
complication.
I come from audio blogging/podcasting and the rot sets in when you try
to combine media elements -- in my case: text + audio + digital
presentations ('powerpoints') + slide shows + videos. While this
discussion list no doubt has some QuickTime preferences the unifying
(and contradictory) element on the web is flash media.
That changes the dialogue a lot.
In mindset I'm a total bloggerfile as I know nuthin' else to speak
about so I tend to pursue the glorious quest of trying to get as much
return as I can from the one blog platform -- in my case , Blogger.
Thats' all I know.
Nonetheless I think the Blip TV channel player is the best media
showcase hardware I've come across on the web. So that guests on my
videoblog too.
Elsewhere I am very eclectic and in other blogs I work on I like to
use Vodpod widgets and the new Vodspot platform.
http://blog.vodpod.com/2008/12/09/announcing-vodspot/
and I cross post like mad --albeit selectively.
While I will subscribe keenly to an audio feed and automatically
download the Mp3 files I won't do that for video, preferring instead
to monitor videoblogging sites by subscribing to their feeds in Google
reader. I then quickly review their content before deciding to
continue watching. ( I don't however sample audio like that.)
So what the site looks like is neither here nor there as RSS rules.
Nonetheless with site showcasing -- and I do this with audio -- it is
often useful to divide up your offerings into themes. I currently
offer standalone players for Best of my videos, Videos from
elsewhere and my own all-in channel in the same way that I always
divide up my audio wares and offer them in pop up players.
But the reality is, I fear, that no one knows how to design the best
of all possible web or video sites so there are all these people
working away at the coal face, tweaking as they go -- designing a
better mousetrap
Nonethless,some of the best video feeds I subscribe can emanate from
the most sterile of CSS sites. So let's not get too caught up in
form over content.
dave riley
http://ratbaggy.blogspot.com/
