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andrew michael baron wrote:
 
 # Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting does  
 not have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue,  
 but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks,  
 and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yet  
 look no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also,  
 people who call themselves or identify with video podcaster,  
 obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the home  
 radio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited time  
 period (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic and  
 exclusive).

I dunno, plenty of the podcasts I listen to have the blog part. Many of 
them even use WordPress, which at it's core is a blogging app. As for 
iTunes, that's Apple's deal, don't blame the podcasters, many of whom do 
try to supply good/useful metadata and hyperlinks. I haven't tested too 
many podcatching clients, but if someone wanted to add in features to 
one that emphasized metadata, that would be nice. I think we're very 
lucky that the FireANT guys believe strongly in making that metadata 
available in the client. Of course I tend to watch videoblogs on my 
computer, where the metadata is useful, while I tend to listen to 
podcasts in the car where I can't do anything with metadata.


Terminology isn't important. Action is.

 Terminology is VERY important too.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

Bill Streeter wrote:
 I agree with Eric, use what works.
 
 Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. 
 It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot 
 of civilians I run into still have no clue what a blog is. So 
 when you start throwing terms like video blog or vlog you might 
 as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying 
 to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze 
 over. When I say I put video on the internet their eyes light up�
 they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, 
 I loose them again. When I say, it's a video podcast, most of them 
 get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as 
 a video podcast but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more 
 importantly, people get it. 

I started blogging in 1997, before the term was really applied to what 
we were doing at the time. I didn't like the word, and still kind of 
don't like it, but there's not much I can do about it. Same with 
podcasting, I started doing that before the term was applied to it. I 
don't know what's going to win the name war of what we are doing now: 
videoblogging, vlogging, vodcasting, but chances are I'll reluctantly 
accept what everyone else calls it, and what is it ultimately known as...

I figure it's the price you pay for helping define a technology rather 
than just create a product/market at some company.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

2005-09-16 Thread Markus Sandy

Am I the only rock and roller old enough to remember when "casters"
referred to a particular bunch of groupies that used to be famous for
making plaster casts of various rock stars' private parts?

We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this
is not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks).

=)
Markus

P.S. Dave Toole at Outhink says he trademarking the term "SpinCasting"
and so I have stopped using it (except this one last time).

Eric Rice wrote:

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont
like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big
scheme of things anyways.
i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point

I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that
the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning
curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known.

More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely
arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm
talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.)

At least that's how my head works. Heh.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this
is not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks).

Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes.
Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture.
Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content like
traditional systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience
have your channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your
media, moments after you publish something new, then you are indeed
pushing media to an audience. Sure, they need to subscribe first,
but so to do you need to subscribe to digital cable channels and
satellite radio. Once subscribed, publishers are able to push
content to you as you pull it in.

We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more
seamless. I have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but
I believe you subscibe to Internet channels and it downloads the media
for you to play. Internet based content publishers are pushing
the content to this device in your home. Content includes any
media RSS feeds and other methods using search engines to find and
download media.
When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will have the
option to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content
from new channels. VOD in either case.

The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV revolution, in our case.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

2005-09-16 Thread Markus Sandy







h, good point sull. but you know me, I'm thinking p2p here and in
that case it's not just a simple 1 to many (server-client) relationship
between a content producer and their audience

in p2p land, there is a more viral distribution mechanism at play: I
pull Josh Leo's feed and see something wonderful and drop it into a
group and automatically provide both the push and the pull you
mentioned. The people in that group may do the same thing. And so
on. Is that Josh's audience or mine or something else altogether?
Same is true to a degree for people who revlog (e.g., Josh Leo's Picks
or Richard's Picks, etc). The difference is that in a p2p environment,
everyone revlogs (recasts?) to their peers (even if they don't
contribute media, they may act as connectors).

Now to me, that's revolutionary!

markus

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The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV
revolution, in our case.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

2005-09-16 Thread Kunga

Snarky.. OK I give up. I no longer know my own identity. We appear to  
be in the midst of a semantic war over what this/these new medium/ 
media is/are. I guess we need an Apple Video iPod for temporary  
validation of the Video Podcast term. But remember when there used to  
be a Photo iPod? Now that same iPod is called an iPod. Perhaps the  
video prefix will no longer apply in a year when Apple decides to  
roll video playback capability into all iPods as well. After all,  
it's a software thing. They could upgrade all iPods with color  
screens to play video from day one. They probably already have it  
working on all of them in their labs.

I guess I'll be an EnclosureCaster today. But I'm starting to think  
that the public perception of the word Podcast may morph over the  
next year to mean any type of media they can request by subscription  
(or not) from the internet for consumption on any number of portable  
as well as home anchored (ie - HDTVs and stereos) devices.
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EnclosureCast is a pun. Dont take that seriously. 

see:
http://search.yahoo.com/mrss

see:
http://www.advogato.org/article/853.html

maybe try:
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Snarky.. OK I give up. I no longer know my own identity. We appear tobe in the midst of a semantic war over what this/these new medium/media is/are. I guess we need an Apple Video iPod for temporaryvalidation of the Video Podcast term. But remember when there used to
be a Photo iPod? Now that same iPod is called an iPod. Perhaps thevideo prefix will no longer apply in a year when Apple decides toroll video playback capability into all iPods as well. After all,
it's a software thing. They could upgrade all iPods with colorscreens to play video from day one. They probably already have itworking on all of them in their labs.I guess I'll be an EnclosureCaster today. But I'm starting to think
that the public perception of the word Podcast may morph over thenext year to mean any type of media they can request by subscription(or not) from the internet for consumption on any number of portable
as well as home anchored (ie - HDTVs and stereos) devices.--Taylor BarcroftNew Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, EnclosureCaster ; ^ )Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL 
http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaiTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87barcroft (gizmo)
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(




when talking to your potential audience etc who may not be in the know of the geekery, why not just call it Internet TV and Internet Radio? And you have a 
Channel with Shows. 
they can Tune In with a Free Subscription

Visit this  Website and/or 
Download this Software to get started.

You can even easily Upload my Shows to your iPod or 
gMini etc... to take with you on the go.

---

The debate (is that what this is?) should not only be about how to talk
to non-publishers or anyone who does not need to know geek tech
terms. 
The debate is how publishers, technologists, teachers and anyone else
interested in knowing the tech details should communicate amongst
each other.

The above example language could just as easily incorporate any
buzzword that they may already know (So, whats this videoblog
thing? It's like Internet TV that anyone can make)


sull
On 9/16/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've actually run into snags explaining to people that theycan subscribe to my video blog. More often than not peopleask, how much does it cost? So even the term subscription can beproblematic--as many people associate the word subscription to
some kind of pay for play system like magazine subscriptions.Aggregate, RSS, and syndication can all be problem terms too. I'mnot above explaining it to people, but sometimes its hard to do thatand not come off as some kind of ubergeek know it all, or just
watching people nod off or try to change the subject. I strugglewith using terms that are accurate, concise and easy to understand.My current strategy is to use what ever terms I know people arelikely to understand, get them hooked on the concept and if they
show more interest in how to get more feeds or how to make a feedthemselves then I start busting out some of the more heavyterminology.Bill Streeterwww.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway(this is  not a push technology, except possibly for the pings andtrackbacks).  Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes.
 Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture. Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content liketraditional systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience have
your channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media,moments after you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to anaudience. Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you need to
subscribe to digital cable channels and satellite radio. Once subscribed,publishers are able to push content to you as you pull it in. We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more
seamless. I have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but I believeyou subscibe to Internet channels and it downloads the media for you to play.Internet based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in
your home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods usingsearch engines to find and download media. When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will havethe option
 to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content fromnew channels. VOD in either case. The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its theDV revolution, in our case.
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The only way I can get my non-geek friends to understand what videblogging is:"It's like podcasting. But with video."I hate it as much as the next, but at the end of the day I don't really care that much. Come to think of it, say the word "blog" five times and listen to how stupid it is. Or, for that matter, "spatula".bOn 16-Sep-05, at 2:28 AM, Eric Rice wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big scheme of things anyways. i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) At least that's how my head works. Heh. ER YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca

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Brett Gaylor wrote:
 The only way I can get my non-geek friends to understand what  
 videblogging is:
 
 It's like podcasting.  But with video.
 
 I hate it as much as the next, but at the end of the day I don't  really 
 care that much. Come to think of it, say the word blog five  times and 
 listen to how stupid it is.  Or, for that matter, spatula.

Dammit! There goes my plans for world domination made possible through 
the spreading of my Spatula casting network...

Spatula City, here I come!

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OK, sorry to railroad serious stuff, here, but I just have to point you all to the:Web Economy Bullshit Generatorhttp://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.htmlRemember: optimize dot-com nichesbOn 16-Sep-05, at 2:48 PM, Brett Gaylor wrote: Spatula City, here I come!ispatulacast.pod.net , streamed in HD to your aggregator futurecaster open content directory-fier!  Frickin A!For free!b-Brett Gaylor[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.etherworks.caYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.  - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca  

  




  
  
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 960x540 at no less than 1500kbits/sec.Are you certain that this will meet Apple's SDK for iTunes 12.7 (code name: Marmot)?I have my doubts that H.268 will support this sort of redonculation.b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

2005-09-16 Thread Adam Quirk




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Due to their shape, spatulas are prone to obvious interlacing
artefacts when in motion. Some of the finest minds this side of
sneezeston on knees are working on the optimum spatula deinterlacing
algorithm.
Unified heterogeneous algorithms have led to many important advances,
including model checking and IPv4. Given the current status of
replicated models, biologists dubiously desire the study of lambda
calculus, which embodies the robust principles of machine learning.

See: URL: http://www.bullemhead.com/Science/a_case_for_neural_networks.html 

Therefore, the spatula algorithm is vaporware until Escroll builds on related work in linear-time models and cryptoanalysis.

FWIW.

References:
1. URL: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ 

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Steve Watkins wrote:
 Yes I demand a HDV version of spatula.
 
 My detailed laboratory analysis on the issue reveals that the optimal
 settings for encoding widescreen spatula video is as follows:
 
 960x540 at no less than 1500kbits/sec.
 
 People disagree over how many frames per second humans need of the
 spatula in flight, in order to capture the full smoothness and majesty
 of the spatula in its native environment. For best results, I
 recommend 50fps.
 
 Due to their shape, spatulas are prone to obvious interlacing
 artefacts when in motion. Some of the finest minds this side of
 sneezeston on knees are working on the optimum spatula deinterlacing
 algorithm.
 
 Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts.

But do we call them spatcasts, spatucasts, spatulacasts, or 
spatulablogs, or spatulatory delight? Questions, questions!

Pete

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(

2005-09-16 Thread Randolfe Wicker






Why even use the term "subscribe"? Just say 
"sign up for" my videoblog. "Sign up for" doesn't imply something you pay 
for.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bill Streeter 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06 
  PM
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video 
  Podcasting? wtf :(
  I've actually run into snags explaining to people that they 
  can "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not people ask, "how 
  much does it cost?" So even the term subscription can be problematic--as 
  many people associate the word "subscription" to some kind of pay for play 
  system like magazine subscriptions. Aggregate, RSS, and syndication can 
  all be problem terms too. I'm not above explaining it to people, but 
  sometimes its hard to do that and not come off as some kind of ubergeek 
  know it all, or just watching people nod off or try to change the subject. 
  I struggle with using terms that are accurate, concise and easy to 
  understand. My current strategy is to use what ever terms I know people 
  are likely to understand, get them hooked on the concept and if they 
  show more interest in how to get more feeds or how to make a feed 
  themselves then I start busting out some of the more "heavy" 
  terminology.Bill Streeterwww.lofistl.com--- In 
  videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway 
  (this is   not a push technology, except possibly for the 
  pings and trackbacks).Though you may have 
  an argument here, it has a few holes.  Today, we have new 
  technology... we are a digital culture.  Though as a publisher, you 
  may not be 'pushing' content like traditional  systems have done, 
  but if the aggregator tools and audience have your  channel 
  subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media, moments after 
   you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to an 
  audience.  Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you 
  need to subscribe to  digital cable channels and satellite radio. 
  Once subscribed, publishers are  able to push content to you 
  as you pull it in.   We are casting and we are catching. It 
  will become more and more seamless. I  have not used Akimbo or 
  other TV centric systems, but I believe you subscibe  to Internet 
  channels and it downloads the media for you to play. Internet  
  based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in your 
   home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods using 
  search  engines to find and download media.  When you sit 
  down to watch some video on your TV, you will have the option  to 
  play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content from new 
   channels. VOD in either case.   The audience pulls, 
  publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV  revolution, in 
  our case.  sull  --  sull - - 
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The 
  hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation 
   from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog 
  Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog 
  Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator  http://interdigitate.com - on again off 
  again personal vlog

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(



  Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts.  But do we call them spatcasts, spatucasts, spatulacasts, or  spatulablogs, or spatulatory delight? Questions, questions!Well, my personal spatulablog (I've given up on my battle to just call them spatublogs...I accept that the masses have already adopted the term) expresses what spatulas mean to me, personally, and are updated regularly.  My spatcast can be a previous spatula that I'd like to repackage, someone else's spatula, or perhaps an audio recording of me using a spatula.  Frankly,  I think the community has made this clear and you are verging on troll territory.b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca  




  
  
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