Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread lenron brown
It's only to put people down when they don't think like you. Being blind has nothing to do with it. On 8/17/20, chalt...@gmail.com wrote: > And the blindness community is also accused of over reacting and being too > sensitive, e.g. the reaction to this petition. IMHO, both statements are >

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread Yuma Decaux
Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Gmail >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Simon A Fogarty >>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> S

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread chaltain
And the blindness community is also accused of over reacting and being too sensitive, e.g. the reaction to this petition. IMHO, both statements are prejudicial. The blindness community is no different then the sighted community, where you have a lot of people who don't care and a lot of people

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread chaltain
2020 3:27 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding > disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > But for that I must say Richard is also right. > This posting was about beta and should have been discu

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread Davy Cuppens
m: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Exactly right Christopher. As crazyeyez

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-17 Thread Donna Casteen
pher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Simon A Fogarty >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Larry Wayland
gmail.com > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:07 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Yuma Decaux
gt; Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which I did read, > says nothing about someone installing a beta with a VoiceOver

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Flor Lynch
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which I did read, says nothing about someone installing a beta with a VoiceOver bug after they were warned

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread lenron brown
Gmail > >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Simon A Fogarty >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread chaltain
Of Simon A Fogarty > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding > disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > Hi Christopher, > > You should read m

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org I didn't see anything

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Richard Turner
nt: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Exactly right Christopher. As crazyeyez says below, people are dumb. This is true of people like him o

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread sherrywells1157
...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 5:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd encourage you to follow

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Afik Souffir
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Jonathan, the individual who started the petition, isn't the person who installed the public beta on his Apple watch. The individual who installed the public beta

Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread Donna Casteen
Jonathan, the individual who started the petition, isn't the person who installed the public beta on his Apple watch. The individual who installed the public beta knows Jonathan in someway. I am searching, but can't recall if the individual who installed the public beta complained on a group.io

RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread chaltain
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RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

2020-08-16 Thread chaltain
I didn't see anything in the petition that said anyone went ahead and installed the beta even after Apple warned that voiceOver users shouldn't install the beta. The point of the petition, as I read it, is that Apple shouldn't exclude blind people from participating in the public beta because