Re: is app data included in the iCloud backup

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Yeah, that would be interesting to know.  After all, when you upgrade over 
the air everything (usually) comes back absolutely sorted as you left it, 
though I know for some upgrades (if you have the space) it's not necessary 
that the information is removed, so perhaps that's why!  


Anyone know?

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Vicky Collins" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 AM
Subject: is app data included in the iCloud backup


I know that app data does get backed up to the cloud, but I'm wondering if 
it is a part of an actual iCloud backup, or is it treated separately like 
contacts and calendar data? What is prompting me to ask the question, is 
that I'm trying to figure out just how my app data got restored back to my 
iPhone 6.


Somehow, after I upgraded to iOS 9 from the iOS 9 public beta, opting to 
do that rather than upgrade to the iOS 9.1 beta, I goofed up something 
during the process.  For, when I tried to restore from iTunes, only my 
default apps were showing up, even though my device settings appeared to 
be restored.  Then, when I tried to restore from an iCloud backup, I was 
told there were no backups of my device, even though I had backed up to 
iCloud just a few days before.  Although, to be fair, I had checked iCloud 
earlier before I started this process and was told there were no backups, 
and in fact, the several backups I had then tried to perform had failed, 
something I just attributed to using the beta.  I had, though,  just done 
an encrypted iTunes backup manually.


Thus, after several attempts to restore my apps from the iTunes backup not 
working, I finally just restored once again from that iTunes backup that 
preserved my settings, and then I manually went in and put all my apps 
back on the phone.  I first started adding them through iTunes, but found 
that more time consuming than I liked, so used the app store on my phone 
to put the rest of them back.  Then, I was fully prepared to either put 
all my app data on the phone manually, or just live without it, depending 
on the app.  So, you can imagine just how pleased I was to go into all my 
apps and find all my data there and up to date.  For examples, my two 
checkbook programs had my account transactions even from earlier that day, 
Ariadne GPS showed all my favorites and Weather Radio still showed my 
selected cities.  I figured I had overwritten the iTunes backup with all 
my attempts to fix things, and I had lost my prior iCloud backup somehow 
when working with the beta.


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Re: iOS9 and Fantastical

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi. 

I've noticed this too, and, as has already been said, it appears  not just to 
be a VoiceOver bug either as my sighted friend tried it without VO and it 
wouldn't let her do anything. She looked to see where we  could report it, but 
it wasn't obvious. So if anyone knows where we go to report this one please let 
us know. 

Eleanor 

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 07:11, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you're right there.
>  
> How do I find where to report it?
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:21 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS9 and Fantastical
> 
> 
> I just tried it and you are correct.
> But, even without VoiceOver running, my wife couldn't enter anything. She 
> said it was dimmed.
> I think we have a major bug in Fantastical with iOS 9. I also find that when 
> I open Fantastical it takes me to a date either in April of this year, or 
> October of last year.
> Very strange.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:24 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm 
>> whether it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can 
>> select new event and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at 
>> all so can't write it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using 
>> another diary, I can read and edit that event in Fantastical.
>>  
>> I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
>> what's going on?
>>  
>> Carol P
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Re: Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Nancy,

Yeah, the text boxes sometimes seem to work differently.  I had a situation 
the other day where my position was spoken as being somewhere in the text 
and the only way I could get to the end was by moving the cursor.  This 
wasn't too much of a bother and I need to do some more editing before I 
reach a conclusion on this one.


Anyone else had experiences like this?  Were you using an external keyboard 
at the time as I was?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:31 AM
Subject: Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9


Hello,
This is something I have noticed since installing iOS 9. I have also noticed 
it as I have read through email messages on this list today. I dictate the 
subject of the email. Then I double tap on the body of the email to change 
the focus to the body of the email instead of this subject of the email. 
Sometimes the focus remains on the subject and it becomes a very long 
subject. Other times it moves to the end or someplace in the middle of the 
email. I have looked at some emails today where people have accidentally 
written on the bottom of the email. I have also looked at some rather long 
subject lines. Could this be A focus problem in 9.0? I have never had this 
problem before. Has anyone else noticed it?


Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

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Re: iOS9 and Fantastical

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Yes, you're right there.

How do I find where to report it?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:21 AM
  Subject: Re: iOS9 and Fantastical




  I just tried it and you are correct.
  But, even without VoiceOver running, my wife couldn't enter anything. She 
said it was dimmed.
  I think we have a major bug in Fantastical with iOS 9. I also find that when 
I open Fantastical it takes me to a date either in April of this year, or 
October of last year.
  Very strange.
  Richard



  On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:24 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Hi all,

If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm 
whether it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can select 
new event and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at all so 
can't write it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using another 
diary, I can read and edit that event in Fantastical.

I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
what's going on?

Carol P


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Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[Feliciano Godoy]

Exactly what I do. Or simply select the text then copy it to the clipboard. 
That new feature may be more convenient for others though.

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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it and then the 3 
> finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with it as well that you don't 
> want in there because it literally copies what VO spoke.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
> Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love
> 
> 
> Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter number 
> passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going to make the text 
> selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for me. Plus, when I have to 
> reenter my email address or password, as is so common, presto, copy text. 
> Paste done.
> The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up in the top left 
> of the status line. If you get emails with links, which you follow and read 
> the article, then want to go back to mail, how cool is it that you can just 
> tap that little button and not have to open the app switcher, find the mail 
> app, and return. It's a little thing, but I love it.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi Dacia,

The time is very short and you may have missed it by now.  I determined to 
go up to 9 and stay there, bearing in mind all the bugs that have been 
talked about, because I'm finding ways around and don't have a vital 
necessity to use the iPhone when out and about, which can fail, apparently.


Take your choice!  

Carol P
- Original Message - 
From: "Dacia Cole" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:43 PM
Subject: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?



Hi,

If I upgrade to IOS 9.0.  How do I downgrade and how long after can I
do it if I don't like IOS 9?

thanks,

Dacia

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Voiceover keyboard and Braille display commands

[denise avant]

Hello all,

I am searching for a link to a list of the IOS 9 keyboard commands with 
voiceover,  and also a list of Braille display commands. Would anyone have a 
link for these tools? thanks.

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is app data included in the iCloud backup

[Vicky Collins]

I know that app data does get backed up to the cloud, but I'm 
wondering if it is a part of an actual iCloud backup, or is it 
treated separately like contacts and calendar data? What is 
prompting me to ask the question, is that I'm trying to figure 
out just how my app data got restored back to my iPhone 6.


Somehow, after I upgraded to iOS 9 from the iOS 9 public beta, 
opting to do that rather than upgrade to the iOS 9.1 beta, I 
goofed up something during the process.  For, when I tried to 
restore from iTunes, only my default apps were showing up, even 
though my device settings appeared to be restored.  Then, when I 
tried to restore from an iCloud backup, I was told there were no 
backups of my device, even though I had backed up to iCloud just 
a few days before.  Although, to be fair, I had checked iCloud 
earlier before I started this process and was told there were no 
backups, and in fact, the several backups I had then tried to 
perform had failed, something I just attributed to using the 
beta.  I had, though,  just done an encrypted iTunes backup 
manually.


Thus, after several attempts to restore my apps from the iTunes 
backup not working, I finally just restored once again from that 
iTunes backup that preserved my settings, and then I manually 
went in and put all my apps back on the phone.  I first started 
adding them through iTunes, but found that more time consuming 
than I liked, so used the app store on my phone to put the rest 
of them back.  Then, I was fully prepared to either put all my 
app data on the phone manually, or just live without it, 
depending on the app.  So, you can imagine just how pleased I was 
to go into all my apps and find all my data there and up to date.  
For examples, my two checkbook programs had my account 
transactions even from earlier that day, Ariadne GPS showed all 
my favorites and Weather Radio still showed my selected cities.  
I figured I had overwritten the iTunes backup with all my 
attempts to fix things, and I had lost my prior iCloud backup 
somehow when working with the beta.


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A couple of questions re IPad Mini 4

[M.Nelson]

when the excitement settles down, I intend to get a Mini4. I won’t be using it 
for phone calls, don’t use a BT keyboard and seldom use it for email, so are 
there any other “gotchas” that I should be aware of? Also, is the screen always 
split or just with certain apps?
Thanks,
Marie

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iPad Air II - side by side

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I want to take advantage of the new feature in IOS 9 using the side by side 
view. I am wondering if anyone has used this yet, particularly with a bluetooth 
keyboard. I’m wondering for example if it would be possible to do this with 
Apple’s notes app, and Voice Dream Reader App. It could be a handy  tool for 
making notes about an article while reading it.

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How to send feedback to Apple regarding iOS 9?

[dacia . luck]

Hi,
How does one go about sending feedback to Apple regarding iOS 9? Also, has 
anyone figured out how to navigate the picker with VoiceOver? By that, I mean, 
when you were giving a pop a button, it says there is a picker, but when I go 
to the bottom of the screen on the left like I used to, when I swipe up, just 
says forward, and doesn't read my options. I still see the option for done, but 
if I can't pick something, what's the point? Thank you overall, I am satisfied 
with the newest iOS.
Dacia

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Selecting text in a kindle book

[Mary Otten]

I was not surprised to see that I could not select text with the new text 
selection feature in iOS 9 when reading a Kindle book. Kendall hasn't been 
updated for iOS 9. I hope, when it is updated, they will recognize the ease of 
this feature. But I'm not going to hold my breath. This is, after all, Amazon 
we are talking about.
I don't remember the somewhat convoluted method you're supposed to use when 
selecting text in a Kindle book. I double tap for the menu, and nothing jumped 
out at me. Does anybody remember how to do that?
Mary

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Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[Jenifer Barr]

Because my email keep crashing when I reply to an email. I can't answer calls. 
and the little annoying thing... braille screen input is more inconsistent. 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm being stupid here, but why would you want to?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: 20 September 2015 19:06
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
> 
> I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick 
> before they stop signing it or pull it.
> 
> 
>On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr   > wrote:
> 
>Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken 
> phone?
>
>Jenifer Barr
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:
>
>
> 
>Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my 
> usual source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com 
>  , stops at version 8.3, version 12F70.
>I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.
> 
>Regards,
>Sieghard
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
> 
>Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're 
> going to do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its 
> usual practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception 
> of a pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.
>The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you 
> can find the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific 
> iPhone model, you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" 
> button in iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll 
> have 8.4.1 back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of 
> your phone in its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have not, 
> an iCloud restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.
>But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, 
> these instructions will stop working real soon.
>Jonathan Mosen
>Mosen Consulting
>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>http://Mosen.org  
> 
> 
>On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers   > wrote:
> 
>Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I 
> searched for things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a 
> beta version back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading 
> from the released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone 
> has found that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have 
> found?
> 
>Thanks for all help.
> 
>Neal
> 
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RE: Text Messages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Steve, that is just Apple’s way of making it more difficult to send text 
messages to your girl-friend *smile*.

OK, joking aside, do you share the same Apple Id? If not, did you maybe 
accidently use your wife’s Apple Id when you set up your phone? Another place 
to check is under Settings > Messages and see which phone numbers and email 
addresses are entered there and which is set to be used for outgoing messages.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve & Shannon Cook
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Text Messages

 

Hi All,

 

My wife is still running IOS 8 and I have upgraded to IOS 9.  This just started 
after I upgraded to IOS 9.  When I send a text message.  The person receiving 
the message tells me it looks as if my wife sent the message.  Thoughts on how 
to resolve this?  Thanks in advance!

 

Steve Cook

Steve on Dice World: Steve6009

Steve on Twitter: @SteveCook67

Today I married my best friend.  

The one that I laugh with, live for, love.

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Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[Jenifer Barr]

Thanks Sieghard. I may try it tomorrow if I'm brave. lol I really appreciate 
the info... though recovery mode scares me without sighted assistance. (sigh) 
what to do? 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jennifer,
>  
> Theoretically you should be able to downgrade by connecting to iTunes and use 
> the “Check for Updates” option. You would first need to find an iOS 8.4.1 
> IPSW file for your device and download it, then open iTunes with your device 
> connected, go to your device area and tab to the Check for Updates button and 
> press Shift+Enter, browse to your downloaded iPS W file and your iPhone 
> should be downgraded without the need for a rstore of a backup. I am saying 
> “should” because not always do things go smoothly and you may have to end up 
> putting your iPhne into recovery mode and to do a restore and then of course 
> youwould need to restore from a backup. Now, since you have to to this via 
> iTunes anyways, why not make an encrypted backup or at least a normal iTunes 
> backup, this will backup all text messages.
>  
> Here is a link for a website where you can find your phone’s IPSW file:
> http://www.iphonehacks.com/download-iphone-ios-firmware
>  
> The following link was posted by Richard a couple of days ago and it 
> describes 2 methodes you can downgrade, what I described above is method 2 
> which is not the recommended method, but which the author wrote worked for 
> them and it has worked for me in the past:
> http://www.iphonehacks.com/2015/09/how-to-downgrade-ios-9.html
>  
>  
> Good luck,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
>  
> Will I lose all of my text messages if I go back? They're the only thing that 
> icloud won't back ups. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:05 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick 
> before they stop signing it or pull it.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>  
> Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken phone?
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my usual 
> source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com, stops at version 8.3, 
> version 12F70.
> I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
>  
> Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're going to 
> do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its usual 
> practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception of a 
> pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.
> The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you can find 
> the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific iPhone model, 
> you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" button in 
> iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll have 8.4.1 
> back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of your phone in 
> its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have not, an iCloud 
> restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.
> But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, these 
> instructions will stop working real soon.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>  
> Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I searched for 
> things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a beta version 
> back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading from the 
> released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone has found 
> that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have found?
>  
> Thanks for all help.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[Jenifer Barr]

When will the beta come out? Also... I hope the call bug and the bug where vo 
crashes after sending email is fixed!!! Sorry beta police!!! Call it updater's 
remorse!!! lol 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:53 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't say because the beta police may come after me.
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> What did you do to fix the bug I have restored all settings several 
>> times & did a hard reboot also. Still have the problem! Not that it's a deal 
>> breaker for me. 
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes me too!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>>> Sent: 20 September 2015 19:02
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of 
>>> Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App
>>> 
>>> It's fixed for me..
>>> 
>>> John Diakogeorgiou
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
 
 No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network 
 settings or resetting all settings. 
 
 Donna
 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
> wrote:
> 
> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
> fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
> their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
> have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
 during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
 they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to 
 get it fixed should help.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really 
> annoying me at the moment. We should write to 
> 
> accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Right?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
>> native
>> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
>> messages
>> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
>> messages
>> in thread."  
>> 
>> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
>> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting 
>> a
>> feedback request to Apple.
>> 
>> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
>> free to
>> use any or all of it in your submissions.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> [Begin Feedback]
>> 
>> TITLE:
>> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages 
>> in a
>> collapsed Email Message Thread
>> 
>> DESCRIPTION:
>> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
>> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
>> released
>> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
>> messages
>> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The 
>> number of
>> messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate 
>> how
>> important or urgent the thread is to the user.
>> 
>> STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
>> To reproduce this issue:
>> 
>> 1.
>> From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Set Preview to None.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
>>

Re: Downcast Update

[Brian Fischler]

Yes, the fix seemed to work for a little but the bug is back as since yesterday 
the two finger tap seems to start iTunes playing,. Ugh. I did notice this bug 
appear before I updated to IOS 9, and after the second to last update to 
Downcast.Yes, the update 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:04 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry I said yesterday that the update fixed the bug. I was wrong though.
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the same problem using ios 7 on my first generation ipad mini.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Downcast Update
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am encountering the issue of a two finger double tap not stopping or
>> starting playback in the latest version of downcast. I also encountered
>> this issue in the previous version as well. I believe that it is an iOS9
>> issue. The problem did not appear to happen till I upgraded my 6+ to the
>> new iOS.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> Visit my online portfolio at:
>> http://www.gtwebdesign.us
>> Follow me on Twitter at:
>> http://www.twitter.com/GWocher
>> 
>>> On 9/18/2015 2:31 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Chris,
>>> 
>>> I just updated to the latest version of Downcast, released today, and 
>>> cannot reproduce the problem you describe.  That is to say, a two-finger, 
>>> double-tap, does, indeed, stop and start playback of the current podcast 
>>> episode, as it has always done.
>>> 
>>> As for the random incidence of music being played as the result of the 
>>> two-finger, double-tap gesture intended for a third-party app such as 
>>> Downcast or BARD Mobile, I suggest the following:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Close the third-party app,
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Assuming that the native Music app is not running, launch it.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Now launch the third-party app, such as Downcast.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Start playback of a third-party media file such as a podcast episode using 
>>> the play-/pause button.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Now, stop and start playback using the two-finger, double-tap gesture.
>>> 
>>> Finally, As I have encountered the non-intentional music playback problem 
>>> from within several third-party apps I would argue that this problem is one 
>>> that exists at the OS level and is not app-specific.  I do not remember 
>>> encountering this problem in iOS 7 or earlier.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Chris Smart
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Downcast Update
>>> 
>>> I noticed an update to Downcast this morning. It appears that although a 
>>> two-finger double tap no longer starts music playing or other odd behavior, 
>>> now it does nothing.  So, it's better, but I do hope this gesture returns 
>>> for starting and stopping playback.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
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MacRumors: What You Need to Know About iOS Malware XcodeGhost

[Nancy Badger]

What You Need to Know About iOS Malware XcodeGhost
MacRumors

Palo Alto Networks has published details about new Chinese malware called 
XcodeGhost. MacRumors has created a FAQ so you can learn more about the malware 
and how to keep your iOS devices protected. What is XcodeGhost? XcodeGhost is a 
new iOS malware arising from a malicious version of Xcode, Apple's official 
tool for developing iOS and OS X apps. How is XcodeGhost distributed? A 
malicious version of Xcode was uploaded to Chinese cloud file sharing service 
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Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
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Re: Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9

[Alex Stone]

That happened to me yesterday, but I've sent lots of e-mails since, and it 
hasn't happened again yet!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 03:31, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> This is something I have noticed since installing iOS 9. I have also noticed 
> it as I have read through email messages on this list today. I dictate the 
> subject of the email. Then I double tap on the body of the email to change 
> the focus to the body of the email instead of this subject of the email. 
> Sometimes the focus remains on the subject and it becomes a very long 
> subject. Other times it moves to the end or someplace in the middle of the 
> email. I have looked at some emails today where people have accidentally 
> written on the bottom of the email. I have also looked at some rather long 
> subject lines. Could this be A focus problem in 9.0? I have never had this 
> problem before. Has anyone else noticed it?
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Alex Stone]

I'm also using Samantha!

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> On 21 Sep 2015, at 03:32, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I am also using Samantha default but still have this problem. I've 
> switched back and forth too. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I had this problem and wrote to this list earlier today.  Apparently, my 
>> messages are not getting here so, I'll try again. yesterday, I updated to 
>> iOS 9.  When I did, the feemale voice over  sounded weard to me.  So, I went 
>> into settings. Went to general, accessibility, voice over, speech.  Then, I 
>> selected Default dialect english  US default.  Then, I tried other 
>> voices.Both of them stopped running after I would send or reply to an email. 
>>  So, I went to Samantha default.  double tapped on that twice.  Now, I got 
>> the original voice back that I had before updating to iOS 9.  I sent and 
>> replied to emails and did not have voice over crash and then return like I 
>> did with the other voices.  Hope this helps.
>> Connie
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
>> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
>> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... 
>> and I have to either go out of my email
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I 
>> sent to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
>> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder 
>> if you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
>> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
>> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
>> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Shawn Krasniuk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
>> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
>> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... 
>> and I have to either go out of my email
>> 
>> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
>> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>>> 
>>> Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi. I am also using Samantha default but still have this problem. I've switched 
back and forth too. 

Jenifer Barr
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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Connie Mohney  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I had this problem and wrote to this list earlier today.  Apparently, my 
> messages are not getting here so, I'll try again. yesterday, I updated to iOS 
> 9.  When I did, the feemale voice over  sounded weard to me.  So, I went into 
> settings. Went to general, accessibility, voice over, speech.  Then, I 
> selected Default dialect english  US default.  Then, I tried other 
> voices.Both of them stopped running after I would send or reply to an email.  
> So, I went to Samantha default.  double tapped on that twice.  Now, I got the 
> original voice back that I had before updating to iOS 9.  I sent and replied 
> to emails and did not have voice over crash and then return like I did with 
> the other voices.  Hope this helps.
> Connie
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
> to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if 
> you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
 
 
 
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Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9

[Nancy Badger]

Hello,
This is something I have noticed since installing iOS 9. I have also noticed it 
as I have read through email messages on this list today. I dictate the subject 
of the email. Then I double tap on the body of the email to change the focus to 
the body of the email instead of this subject of the email. Sometimes the focus 
remains on the subject and it becomes a very long subject. Other times it moves 
to the end or someplace in the middle of the email. I have looked at some 
emails today where people have accidentally written on the bottom of the email. 
I have also looked at some rather long subject lines. Could this be A focus 
problem in 9.0? I have never had this problem before. Has anyone else noticed 
it?

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Alex Stone]

I hadn't, but it just happened to me about a minute ago!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 22:55, Connie Mohney  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I had this problem and wrote to this list earlier today.  Apparently, my 
> messages are not getting here so, I'll try again. yesterday, I updated to iOS 
> 9.  When I did, the feemale voice over  sounded weard to me.  So, I went into 
> settings. Went to general, accessibility, voice over, speech.  Then, I 
> selected Default dialect english  US default.  Then, I tried other 
> voices.Both of them stopped running after I would send or reply to an email.  
> So, I went to Samantha default.  double tapped on that twice.  Now, I got the 
> original voice back that I had before updating to iOS 9.  I sent and replied 
> to emails and did not have voice over crash and then return like I did with 
> the other voices.  Hope this helps.
> Connie
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
> to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if 
> you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Nancy Badger]

I have replied to several emails today. I upgraded to 9.0 last night. It has 
happened to me one time. The rest of the time it has worked just fine. I did 
not do any extra preparation steps before I upgraded to 9.0. I am using an 
iPhone 6 Plus

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
> to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if 
> you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
 
 
 
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RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Connie Mohney]

Hello all,
I had this problem and wrote to this list earlier today.  Apparently, my 
messages are not getting here so, I'll try again. yesterday, I updated to iOS 
9.  When I did, the feemale voice over  sounded weard to me.  So, I went into 
settings. Went to general, accessibility, voice over, speech.  Then, I selected 
Default dialect english  US default.  Then, I tried other voices.Both of them 
stopped running after I would send or reply to an email.  So, I went to 
Samantha default.  double tapped on that twice.  Now, I got the original voice 
back that I had before updating to iOS 9.  I sent and replied to emails and did 
not have voice over crash and then return like I did with the other voices.  
Hope this helps.
Connie
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this 
problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each 
one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and I have 
to either go out of my email

Hi,

I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know Jennifer 
didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if you, Shawn 
and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast 
recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all network 
settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if doing a 
reset all network settings would fix the problem now.

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Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this 
problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each 
one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and I have 
to either go out of my email

Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.

Shawn
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> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
> happen to me when replying to a message. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jenifer Barr
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Re: Setting up a hotspot using your phone

[joseph hudson]

Hi Mary, no absolutely not you do not need to vision to set this up. If you go 
to settings,. Then you will want to turn it on, and it may or may not have a 
password to it. If it does you may want to end up changing it so that you know 
what it is so whenever you go to connect to the network. Then once this is on, 
turn on your iPad, or laptop computer. Then you will select in the network area 
 that Pacific device. The network to your iPhone, Then once this is done typing 
the password that you have associated with the personal hotspot. I'm watching 
done that hit the join button as you would always do. Any other questions 
please let me know.
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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am about to take possession of my new T mobile iPhone. I get 10 GB of data 
> per month, which rolls over from month-to-month if I don't use it all. I am 
> sure that most months, I won't come close to using it. All this data could 
> come in handy when I am somewhere with a cellular connection but no Wi-Fi, 
> such as in some motels where we go on vacation. That makes me wonder about 
> how easy it is to set up a hotspot, where my iPhone is the connection, but 
> I'm using an iPad or even a computer to actually do work. How difficult is 
> that to do? Do you need cited help?
> Mary
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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Mary Otten]

Well, I just sent a message using this very same phone, with the Siri voice. 
And I didn't get the talkback that I got when I was in the Facebook message 
box. Same device, same voice, different apps. So for me, it looks like the 
problem is specifically in the Facebook app, or perhaps specifically not in the 
email app, since I haven't tried other dictations.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> I actually noticed it when I was trying to send an email of an article 
> earlier today.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
>> when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover 
>> started talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble 
>> concentrating for me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone 
>> and then dictated an email message, which went fine. So I thought the 
>> problem was solved, or was perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
>> I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
>> doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
>> voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this 
>> problem when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you 
>> hear back what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate 
>> you're done? Is this a bug or is it just me?
>> I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
>> I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice 
>> to make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that 
>> is appearing elsewhere.
>> Mary
>> 
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Setting up a hotspot using your phone

[Mary Otten]

I am about to take possession of my new T mobile iPhone. I get 10 GB of data 
per month, which rolls over from month-to-month if I don't use it all. I am 
sure that most months, I won't come close to using it. All this data could come 
in handy when I am somewhere with a cellular connection but no Wi-Fi, such as 
in some motels where we go on vacation. That makes me wonder about how easy it 
is to set up a hotspot, where my iPhone is the connection, but I'm using an 
iPad or even a computer to actually do work. How difficult is that to do? Do 
you need cited help?
Mary

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RE: Need to record distance walked with the iPhone

[DJ]

I use Walk Log.  It is very accessible and stays on track.

DJ 

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Here's an app that I have used in the past. The app is accessible with VO.
And the app does what you want plus more. The drawback, for me anyway, to
get the full features of the app there is a $6.00 monthly charge or $30.00
yearly charge. 

Donna


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:32 AM, David Cleveland 
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> I am looking for a way to tell how far I have walked using the iPhone.  I
like to walk around my neighborhood but I can't really tell how far I have
walked.  I was wondering if there is an app that I can use to do this.  I
would like it to use GPS to tell me how far it is from my starting point to
my ending point.  My walking path goes in a loop and traditional GPS mapping
apps don't like this and keep urging me to turn back home.
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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Nancy Badger]

I actually noticed it when I was trying to send an email of an article earlier 
today.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
> when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover 
> started talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble 
> concentrating for me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone 
> and then dictated an email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem 
> was solved, or was perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
> I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
> doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
> voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this 
> problem when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you 
> hear back what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate 
> you're done? Is this a bug or is it just me?
> I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
> I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice 
> to make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
> appearing elsewhere.
> Mary
> 
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Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

[Mary Otten]

A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover started 
talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble concentrating for 
me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone and then dictated an 
email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem was solved, or was 
perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried doing 
a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this problem 
when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you hear back 
what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate you're done? Is 
this a bug or is it just me?
I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now I'm 
using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice to 
make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
appearing elsewhere.
Mary

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Re: iOS9 and Fantastical

[Alex Stone]

Yes, I've seen this too!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 02:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> 
> I just tried it and you are correct.
> But, even without VoiceOver running, my wife couldn't enter anything. She 
> said it was dimmed.
> I think we have a major bug in Fantastical with iOS 9. I also find that when 
> I open Fantastical it takes me to a date either in April of this year, or 
> October of last year.
> Very strange.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:24 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm 
>> whether it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can 
>> select new event and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at 
>> all so can't write it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using 
>> another diary, I can read and edit that event in Fantastical.
>>  
>> I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
>> what's going on?
>>  
>> Carol P
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Re: iOS9 and Fantastical

[Richard Turner]

I just tried it and you are correct.
But, even without VoiceOver running, my wife couldn't enter anything. She said 
it was dimmed.
I think we have a major bug in Fantastical with iOS 9. I also find that when I 
open Fantastical it takes me to a date either in April of this year, or October 
of last year.
Very strange.
Richard


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> Hi all,
>  
> If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses  Fantastical, can you confirm 
> whether it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can select 
> new event and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at all so 
> can't write it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using another 
> diary, I can read and edit that event in Fantastical.
>  
> I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
> what's going on?
>  
> Carol P
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Re: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App

[Beth G]

Hello,

I like the drugs.com app and I also like one called pocket RX

Thanks

Beth
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:53 PM, DJ  wrote:
> 
> Web MD has AN APP TOO. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App
> 
> Don't know about an app, but I like www.webmd.com
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michelle Bernstein
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App
> 
> Alan, I have looked up information about prescription medications on the RX
> List site.  They do not seem to have an app and the RX list site is full of
> visual ads which can be distracting. I have used the Mayo Clinic website
> many times and find it easy to use and not full of advertisements.  I have
> not tried their app. The Mayo Clinic also publishes several lengthy, but
> well organized books detailing medical conditions, some of which are on
> BARD. I personally feel the Mayo Clinic site is well organized, informative
> and easy to navigate and generally that is where I look up medical
> information.  Hope this helps.  Regards, Michelle Bernstein
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I can't say because the beta police may come after me.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> What did you do to fix the bug I have restored all settings several times 
> & did a hard reboot also. Still have the problem! Not that it's a deal 
> breaker for me. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes me too!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: 20 September 2015 19:02
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of 
>> Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App
>> 
>> It's fixed for me..
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network settings 
>>> or resetting all settings. 
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
 wrote:
 
 Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
 fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
 their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
 have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
 
 John Diakogeorgiou
 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
> 
> Shawn
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> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
>> 
>> There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
>>> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
>>> they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to get 
>>> it fixed should help.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
 
 Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really annoying 
 me at the moment. We should write to 
 
 accessibil...@apple.com
 
 Right?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
> native
> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
> messages
> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
> messages
> in thread."  
> 
> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting a
> feedback request to Apple.
> 
> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
> free to
> use any or all of it in your submissions.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> [Begin Feedback]
> 
> TITLE:
> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages 
> in a
> collapsed Email Message Thread
> 
> DESCRIPTION:
> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
> released
> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
> messages
> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The 
> number of
> messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate how
> important or urgent the thread is to the user.
> 
> STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
> To reproduce this issue:
> 
> 1.
> From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
> 
> 2.
> Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
> 
> 3.
> Set Preview to None.
> 
> 4.
> Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
> 
> 5.
> Launch the native iOS 9.0 Mail app.
> 
> 6.
> In the Messages Table, place VoiceOver focus on a message thread 
> containing
> multiple messages.
> 
> EXPECTED RESULTS:
> I expect VoiceOver to announce the actual number of messages in the 
> thread.
> 
> ACTUAL RESULTS:
> VoiceOver says, "Multiple messages in thread."

RE: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App

[DJ]

Web MD has AN APP TOO. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App

Don't know about an app, but I like www.webmd.com

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommended Accessible Medical Information App

Alan, I have looked up information about prescription medications on the RX
List site.  They do not seem to have an app and the RX list site is full of
visual ads which can be distracting. I have used the Mayo Clinic website
many times and find it easy to use and not full of advertisements.  I have
not tried their app. The Mayo Clinic also publishes several lengthy, but
well organized books detailing medical conditions, some of which are on
BARD. I personally feel the Mayo Clinic site is well organized, informative
and easy to navigate and generally that is where I look up medical
information.  Hope this helps.  Regards, Michelle Bernstein

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Re: Siri voice for voice over

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Did you configure the Siri voices to work with your default dialect or did you 
use a secondary language for it? Also, check if you downloaded them through the 
speech setting by itself in accessibility. I saw someone did that and wondered 
why it wasn't working for them but then they realized that they downloaded it 
in the wrong place so it wasn't showing up in Voiceover.

Shawn
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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:46 PM, DJ  wrote:
> 
> I can't get the siri voices to work for VO on my 5.  It let's me select
> them, but even after they download they still won't talk.  It still uses
> Samantha voice.  Oh well.
> 
> DJ 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri voice for voice over
> 
> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very
> unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But
> just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be
> replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on
> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of
> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice,
> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try
> to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you
> who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss,
> give it a try.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi Sieghard, The reason I updated is that I had heard from a number of people 
that it was mostly as you suggest, with a head set connected. I am happy to say 
that mine works even when I am connected to one. So far, so good.
 
Neal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work
 
Hi Neil,
 
Try receiving a phone call with the headset plugged in, if you have problems 
then this is when they happen.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work
 
Hi, I just updated my 6. I had updated my 5 the day it came out with no 
problems. I don’t seem to have any problems on the 6 at this point. My Logitech 
810 keyboard works and I haven’t had any trouble receiving phone calls. So, my 
fingers are crossed. It sure is hard to type that way. Smile.
 
Neal
 
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Text Messages

[Steve & Shannon Cook]

Hi All,

 

My wife is still running IOS 8 and I have upgraded to IOS 9.  This just started 
after I upgraded to IOS 9.  When I send a text message.  The person receiving 
the message tells me it looks as if my wife sent the message.  Thoughts on how 
to resolve this?  Thanks in advance!

 

Steve Cook

Steve on Dice World: Steve6009

Steve on Twitter: @SteveCook67

Today I married my best friend.  

The one that I laugh with, live for, love.

October 11, 2003 

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[Donna]

What did you do to fix the bug I have restored all settings several times & 
did a hard reboot also. Still have the problem! Not that it's a deal breaker 
for me. 

Donna

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Yes me too!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: 20 September 2015 19:02
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of 
> Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App
> 
> It's fixed for me..
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network settings 
>> or resetting all settings. 
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
>>> fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
>>> their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
>>> have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>>> 
>>> John Diakogeorgiou
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
> 
> There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
>> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
>> they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to get 
>> it fixed should help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really annoying 
>>> me at the moment. We should write to 
>>> 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com
>>> 
>>> Right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
 native
 iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
 messages
 in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
 messages
 in thread."  
 
 If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
 messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting a
 feedback request to Apple.
 
 The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
 free to
 use any or all of it in your submissions.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 [Begin Feedback]
 
 TITLE:
 Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages 
 in a
 collapsed Email Message Thread
 
 DESCRIPTION:
 In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
 messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
 released
 version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
 messages
 in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The number 
 of
 messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate how
 important or urgent the thread is to the user.
 
 STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
 To reproduce this issue:
 
 1.
 From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
 
 2.
 Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
 
 3.
 Set Preview to None.
 
 4.
 Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
 
 5.
 Launch the native iOS 9.0 Mail app.
 
 6.
 In the Messages Table, place VoiceOver focus on a message thread 
 containing
 multiple messages.
 
 EXPECTED RESULTS:
 I expect VoiceOver to announce the actual number of messages in the 
 thread.
 
 ACTUAL RESULTS:
 VoiceOver says, "Multiple messages in thread."
 
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Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[Brent Harding]

In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it and then the 3 
finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with it as well that you don't 
want in there because it literally copies what VO spoke.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love


Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter number 
passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going to make the text 
selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for me. Plus, when I have to 
reenter my email address or password, as is so common, presto, copy text. 
Paste done.
The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up in the top 
left of the status line. If you get emails with links, which you follow and 
read the article, then want to go back to mail, how cool is it that you can 
just tap that little button and not have to open the app switcher, find the 
mail app, and return. It's a little thing, but I love it.

Mary

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RE: 4-Digit Passcode?

[Alex Stone]

Chris, on my 6plus, I was asked to change my 4 digit passcode to a 6 digit one.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: 20 September 2015 18:37
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?

I wasn't asked for a passcode at all on my iPhone 5s since I had one already. 
On my iPad Mini 2 however I was asked for a passcode.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 14:00, Terry-Ann Saurmann  
> wrote:
> 
> That is most interesting, because on my #5 and my #6, I was only asked for my 
> four digit pass code.  Terry
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?
> 
> 
>> Ok folks, in iOS 9, the first time you set up the update or after you 
>> restore your iOS device, you will be prompted for a six digit passcode. 
>> Don't want this? No problem! Just double tap the "passcode options" button.
>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:20, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this just an iPhone 6 Plus change? I don't recall seeing this on either 
>>> my iPhone 4S or my iPhone 5, and my four digit pass codes still work fine. 
>>> I did see something about a six digit key chain passcode though. Is that 
>>> what we're talking about here?
>>> 
>>> On 09/19/2015 07:23 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
 You could just use your old one, with two more numbers tacked onto the
 end or beginning, that way you have an easier time remembering it.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On 9/19/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> It will be a brand new one, not taking your old one into account at all.
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:05, Fazil  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, list.
>> I have a 4-digit passcode, however, when I upgraded my Iphone6 Plus to
>> IOS9, the initial setup wanted me use a 6-digit passcode and it also gave
>> me to skip that option for the time being.
>> Now my question is when I would setup a 6-digit passcode, should this new
>> passcode contain the 4-digit of my current passcode or would that be a
>> brand new one?
>> Thanks!
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Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[Mary Otten]

Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter number passwords 
and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going to make the text selection 
feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for me. Plus, when I have to reenter my email 
address or password, as is so common, presto, copy text. Paste done.
The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up in the top left 
of the status line. If you get emails with links, which you follow and read the 
article, then want to go back to mail, how cool is it that you can just tap 
that little button and not have to open the app switcher, find the mail app, 
and return. It's a little thing, but I love it.
Mary

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RE: moving app with braille display

[Alex Stone]

Chris, I don't know how to do it, but according to the applevis podcasts I've 
listened to since iOS 9 came out, I believe it's now possible to move apps with 
a Braille display.

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christopher hallsworth
Sent: 20 September 2015 18:55
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: moving app with braille display

Ah ok. Because I remember you could do it with a bluetooth keyboard.


On 20 Sep 2015, at 11:05, Cheryl Lenartiene 
mailto:cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You can't, as there's no way to tell the iDevice through the Braille 
display that you're dragging your finger around the screen.
Cheryl


Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Stephanie mailto:natureloving...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yes you can. I'd done it. But I haven't been able to move apps.
Steph

- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth  mailto:challswor...@icloud.com> >
To: Viphone  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: moving app with braille display









Not sure if that's true now you can do a double tap and 
hold on a Braille display with a 3-6-7-8 chord.


On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:19, Scott Dollar 
mailto:dollar...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Hi Stephanie,





You can't do that with a braille display to 
move a folder on your phone. You must put your finger on the screen on the 
iphone to be able to move the folder.





Hope this help you.





Respectful,





Scott











-Original Message- From: Stephanie


Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:58 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 


Subject: moving app with braille display





I want to put a app in to my extras folder. I 
can do the tap and hold with my braille display. But it won't move my app to 
the extras folder  when I repeat the tap and hold on the folder I want to move 
it too. What am I doing wrong?


Steph





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RE: Siri voice for voice over

[DJ]

I can't get the siri voices to work for VO on my 5.  It let's me select
them, but even after they download they still won't talk.  It still uses
Samantha voice.  Oh well.

DJ 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri voice for voice over

I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very
unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But
just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be
replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on
the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of
Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice,
Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try
to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you
who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss,
give it a try.
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RE: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[Alex Stone]

Yes me too!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: 20 September 2015 19:02
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of 
Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

It's fixed for me..

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network settings 
> or resetting all settings. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has fixed 
>> a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize their 
>> time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they have 
>> already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
 
 There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so they 
> do know about it, but having more people say it's important to get it 
> fixed should help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really annoying 
>> me at the moment. We should write to 
>> 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Right?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
>>> native
>>> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
>>> messages
>>> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
>>> messages
>>> in thread."  
>>> 
>>> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
>>> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting a
>>> feedback request to Apple.
>>> 
>>> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
>>> free to
>>> use any or all of it in your submissions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> [Begin Feedback]
>>> 
>>> TITLE:
>>> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages in 
>>> a
>>> collapsed Email Message Thread
>>> 
>>> DESCRIPTION:
>>> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
>>> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently released
>>> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
>>> messages
>>> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate how
>>> important or urgent the thread is to the user.
>>> 
>>> STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
>>> To reproduce this issue:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set Preview to None.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Launch the native iOS 9.0 Mail app.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> In the Messages Table, place VoiceOver focus on a message thread 
>>> containing
>>> multiple messages.
>>> 
>>> EXPECTED RESULTS:
>>> I expect VoiceOver to announce the actual number of messages in the 
>>> thread.
>>> 
>>> ACTUAL RESULTS:
>>> VoiceOver says, "Multiple messages in thread."
>>> 
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RE: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[Alex Stone]

Maybe I'm being stupid here, but why would you want to?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: 20 September 2015 19:06
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick before 
they stop signing it or pull it.


On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr mailto:claudas...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken 
phone?

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks 
and my usual source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com 
 , stops at version 8.3, version 12F70.
I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one 
doesn’t.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
 
Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if 
you're going to do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows 
its usual practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the 
exception of a pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an 
option.
The short answer to your question is that during this window, 
if you can find the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific 
iPhone model, you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" 
button in iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll 
have 8.4.1 back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of your 
phone in its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have not, an 
iCloud restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.
But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual 
behaviour, these instructions will stop working real soon.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org  
 

On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers 
mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> > wrote:
 
Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make 
sure, I searched for things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade 
a beta version back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading 
from the released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone 
has found that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have 
found?
 
Thanks for all help.
 
Neal
 
 
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RE: Survey of Member Success with non-Apple Lightning Cables

[DJ]

I use Anker cable, both three feet and six feet long cables.  They all work
very well.

DJ 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 4:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Survey of Member Success with non-Apple Lightning Cables

My mrs has moved over to non-Apple cable as she finds them flimsy and won't
to crack around the plug.  I tend to treat them gently and not had this.
But she has found a source of much heavier duty apple-certified cables which
she is have great success with.  We don't use abnormal lengths, those could
be an issue in their own right.

My occasional criticism, is that the foreigners tend to have short plug
stems, or bulky packing too close to the end to allow them to be used
through hd protective cases.

BobH.
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Lemly" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:00 PM
Subject: Survey of Member Success with non-Apple Lightning Cables


I'm curious about the success of others on this list with lightning cables
other than those coming from Apple. I only use Apple MFi certified lightning
cables so those are the ones I'm curious about others' experience with.



Here's my story with lightning cables and my iPhone 6. When I purchased my
iPhone 6 last February, it would give me an error message about an
unsupported product whenever I plugged its 3-foot Apple cable into my USB
extension cable connected to my computer in order to charge it. I never got
such an error message when charging my iPhone 5 in the same manner. I
decided to purchase a 10-foot lightning cable to use with my iPhone 6 since
I needed the length as my mid-tower computer sits on the floor. Apple does
not sell a lightning cable of this length and even their 6-foot cable is
expensive so I decided to get an Apple MFi certified one from Amazon. I
found one for about $13 and have never gotten an error message while
charging with it.



However, starting a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that the lightning
connector on this cable does not stay plugged in solidly to my iPhone 6 any
longer. It's almost as if it's become malleable and can't maintain a good
connection even though I plug it in securely. I put a lot of faith in Anker
external batteries and cables so I purchased a 9-foot Anker lightning cable
from Amazon but I'm also getting this connection problem with that one as
well.



I'm curious if anyone else is experiencing this sort of issue with any of
their lightning cables and whether it's specific to particular iDevices or
cables. I really don't want to hear from those who are going to say 'only
use Apple cables" because they don't offer a length I need at a price I
believe is reasonable.



Thanks for any experience you can share with your non-Apple cables.



Alan Lemly

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RE: Siri voice for voice over

[Alex Stone]

Richard, I heard this at the time, it was excellent. For me, she's still the 
best voice, Alex doesn't do it for me.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 20 September 2015 19:22
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri voice for voice over

For what it is worth, here is an interview from just before the iPhone 5 was 
released on  YouTube with Karen Jacobson, the source for the Australian Female 
voice named Karen on iPHones and GPS systems around the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z5XYvtP04M

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri voice for voice over

Glad I read your message first, I was about to write one along the same lines, 
then I cancelled it because I thought why add more traffic to the list, but 
after I read your message I thought I also ask. I even Googled this and found 
references as to the real people whose voices are behind SIRI, e.g. the female 
US SIRI voice is based on Susan Bennett, but I didn't come across Aaron and 
Nicky anywhere.

Regards,
Sieghard 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:05 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Siri voice for voice over

Right. Can I ask, how the hell do you know the names of the Siri voices? 
Because on my iOS devides at least, all I get is "Siri Male", "Siri Female" etc.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:26, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like the Siri voices for Voiceover too. I alternate between Gordon, 
> the Australian male Siri voice and Martha, the British female Siri voice. I 
> don't really care for the American siri voices, Aaron and Nicky, because 
> Nicky has lost her inflection she had in previous iOS versions and Aaron 
> kinda reminds me of Neospeech Paul.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very 
>> unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But 
>> just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be 
>> replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
>> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on 
>> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of 
>> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice, 
>> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try 
>> to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you 
>> who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss, 
>> give it a try.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[Wil James]

Before people get their panties in a bunch, let me tell you why I sent that 
message.
People would be wasting apples time reporting something that is fixed and 9.1. 
Nothing more, nothing less.
Now we can go back to our regularly scheduled nitpicking.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
> wrote:
> 
> It's fixed for me..
> 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network settings 
>> or resetting all settings. 
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
>>> fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
>>> their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
>>> have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>>> 
>>> John Diakogeorgiou
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
> 
> There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
>> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
>> they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to get 
>> it fixed should help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really annoying 
>>> me at the moment. We should write to 
>>> 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com
>>> 
>>> Right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
 native
 iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
 messages
 in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
 messages
 in thread."  
 
 If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
 messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting a
 feedback request to Apple.
 
 The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
 free to
 use any or all of it in your submissions.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 [Begin Feedback]
 
 TITLE:
 Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages 
 in a
 collapsed Email Message Thread
 
 DESCRIPTION:
 In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
 messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
 released
 version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
 messages
 in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The number 
 of
 messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate how
 important or urgent the thread is to the user.
 
 STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
 To reproduce this issue:
 
 1.
 From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
 
 2.
 Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
 
 3.
 Set Preview to None.
 
 4.
 Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
 
 5.
 Launch the native iOS 9.0 Mail app.
 
 6.
 In the Messages Table, place VoiceOver focus on a message thread 
 containing
 multiple messages.
 
 EXPECTED RESULTS:
 I expect VoiceOver to announce the actual number of messages in the 
 thread.
 
 ACTUAL RESULTS:
 VoiceOver says, "Multiple messages in thread."
 
 [End Feedback] 
 
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RE: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I posted a message maybe half an hour ago in reply to Jennifer's question 
regarding downgrading from iOS 9 to 8.4.1. I won't repeat everything here, it 
should be easy enough to find if you look for that topic.
In my message is a link to an article which describes two methods for 
downgrading and there is also a link for a website where you can find the IPSW 
file for iOS 8.4.1, just make sure  you download the correct file fopr your 
device.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:44 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?

Hi,

If I upgrade to IOS 9.0.  How do I downgrade and how long after can I do it if 
I don't like IOS 9?

thanks,

Dacia

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RE: Power saving mode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Ann,

Do you mean the CultofMac article about the power saving feature, 
http://www.cultofmac.com/385068/save-your-battery-with-ios-9s-low-power-mode?
What version of Jaws do  you use, it works fine for me, I just pressed enter on 
the link, waited for the page to load and used "h" to jump to the headings on 
the page, the title of the article is the first heading level 2 on the page and 
everything was there.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Power saving mode

JAWS won't read this page at all.  GR-r-r-r-r-r!
At 10:12 AM 9/20/2015, you wrote:
>http://www.cultofmac.com/385068/save-your-battery-with-ios-9s-low-power-mode/

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Re: Power saving mode

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I tried that, asking Siri, but she said she couldn't change low power
mode on my ipod.

On 9/20/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> You could always try to turn it on by asking SIRI to do it on your iPod
> Touch. It does work on the iPhone.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Power saving mode
>
> Well, this is interesting.
> After reading the article that was posted, I went into settings battery on
> my iPhone 5s, and sure enough, at the top was a setting for low power mode
> that can be manually enabled.
> I then went to my iPod Touch 6, and look in the battery settings and there
> is no power mode setting.
> But, like I said, it seems to do it automatically when it gets down to 20%.
> Time will tell if that is a good thing or not on the touch. But, since it
> cuts performance, I'm glad it is a setting on the phone.
> Richard
>
>
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>
>> Not on my 5th generation ipod touch.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Shockley
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Power saving mode
>>
>> Hi,
>> It's in Settings/Battery.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll see if I get that option when I get the 20% battery warning.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:33 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Power saving mode
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't find it as a setting. When my iPod touch 6th generation gave me
>>> the 20% battery warning it annouced low power mode and there was an OK
>>> button I think. It happened quickly.
>>> When I plugged it in and charged it up to 100% and unplugged it, it
>>> announced that low power mode was turned off and it was sufficiently
>>> charged or something like that.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

 Let me ask, is this low power mode availible on the ipad and ipod touch?
 The reason I ask, I don't find it on my 5th generation ipod touch
 running ios 9.

 -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:41 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Power saving mode

 Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has
 meant for this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and
 you want to get the most out of your remaining battery life.
 When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power
 mode is on the screen.
 You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling
 SIRI "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
 This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at
 that point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power
 mode will be turned on.
 OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on
 without showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and
 off with SIRI. I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad
 additional option to have in control centre.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Traci Duncan
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Power saving mode

 Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?

 I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving
 option in control center?  That would make it easily accessible to
 toggle on/off.

 Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for
 public beta?

 Thanks,
 Traci

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RE: Power saving mode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You could always try to turn it on by asking SIRI to do it on your iPod Touch. 
It does work on the iPhone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Power saving mode

Well, this is interesting.
After reading the article that was posted, I went into settings battery on my 
iPhone 5s, and sure enough, at the top was a setting for low power mode that 
can be manually enabled.
I then went to my iPod Touch 6, and look in the battery settings and there is 
no power mode setting.
But, like I said, it seems to do it automatically when it gets down to 20%.
Time will tell if that is a good thing or not on the touch. But, since it cuts 
performance, I'm glad it is a setting on the phone.
Richard


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Not on my 5th generation ipod touch.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Shockley
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Power saving mode
> 
> Hi,
> It's in Settings/Battery.
> Hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>> 
>> I'll see if I get that option when I get the 20% battery warning.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:33 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Power saving mode
>> 
>> 
>> I didn't find it as a setting. When my iPod touch 6th generation gave me the 
>> 20% battery warning it annouced low power mode and there was an OK button I 
>> think. It happened quickly.
>> When I plugged it in and charged it up to 100% and unplugged it, it 
>> announced that low power mode was turned off and it was sufficiently charged 
>> or something like that.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me ask, is this low power mode availible on the ipad and ipod touch? 
>>> The reason I ask, I don't find it on my 5th generation ipod touch running 
>>> ios 9.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Power saving mode
>>> 
>>> Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has meant 
>>> for this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and you want 
>>> to get the most out of your remaining battery life.
>>> When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power mode 
>>> is on the screen.
>>> You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling 
>>> SIRI "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
>>> This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at 
>>> that point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power mode 
>>> will be turned on.
>>> OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on 
>>> without showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and off 
>>> with SIRI. I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad additional 
>>> option to have in control centre.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Power saving mode
>>> 
>>> Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?
>>> 
>>> I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving option 
>>> in control center?  That would make it easily accessible to toggle on/off.
>>> 
>>> Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for public 
>>> beta?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
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RE: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Alex Stone]

Yes, my Anker bt keyboard is doing the same!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil
Sent: 20 September 2015 20:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

My Logitech K810 is doing just fine too with IOS9 IPhone6Plus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rich Ring
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rich Ring
Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!

On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> > wrote:

 

Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my 
backup iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does 
not even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The short double vibrate is always there if you reboot a phone with the 
Lightning cable connected.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kerri G
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

Yes, I felt the vibrations both in the iPhone 5S  and in the iPad mini so I 
wonder if it is a new feature but do not know as I have only ever had the 
iPhone no other accessible phones.


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:11 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Q:I updated recently, kept the phone in my hand and just listened to a book;  
> and I felt a double-buzz of the vibrate mode, which 
> indicated the last boot and it came up talking soon after that.
> 
> I made a point of not touching the screen at any price once it said rebooting 
> so it could just get on with it uninterrupted.
> 
> So,  is this vibrate thing new, has anybody else found it?  I know I 
> recommended such a thing for years.  My old Nokias have done it 
> for years so you know it is alive and kicking a bit even if not talking yet.
> 
> BobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:59 PM
> Subject: RE: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
> 
> 
> I know this won't help you now, but that is why upgrading via iTunes is such 
> a much more accessible process. When I upgraded my 
> wife's iPhone 6 (I use iTunes on a Windows 10 PC with Jaws) I could see the 
> download progress (that part is OK on the iPhone), but 
> once it started installing (where the iPhone says it's rebooting) Jaws keeps 
> on telling you what is going on once you put focus on 
> that area, e.g. extracting update, Verifying update with Apple,, installing 
> software, installing firmware and so on. In between you 
> also hear the PC sounds of USB disconnecting and reconnecting as your iPhone 
> reboots multiple times during the process and all in 
> all it's just a much less uncertain process.
> Having said this I did decide to update my 5S over the air after I downloaded 
> an iOS 8.4.1 firmware file which would have allowed me 
> to downgrade again had the phone bug been really bad. I was able to follow 
> the download progress, once my phone said it was 
> rebooting I kept it nearby so I could be sure I would hear Voiceover when it 
> was done. I think it's important to be patient and not 
> to touch the screen and especially not to press the power or home buttons. 
> Maybe I am just imagining this and it doesn't matter, but 
> I just kept my fingers away from it and about 10 or 12 minutes later 
> Voiceover came back and told me the update was done, I had to 
> double tap on the "Slide to setup" message and go through a few of the setup 
> screens and that was it.
> I am happy to say that the first time somebody called me and I had a headset 
> connected my phone only vibrated and I couldn'd answer 
> the call. Now, however, it seems to work fairly well, I can answer with the 
> remote on the headset and also a double tap and the 
> screen seems to be active although maybe a bit sluggish. What is more 
> important after I hang up a call my phone and Voiceover do not 
> freeze up so it appears I got lucky.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:22 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
> 
> So I decided today to install IOS 9.  Bad idea!!!  The last thing my
> phone said about a half hour ago was "phone rebooting".  After about
> 20 minutes of waiting, I tried resetting with the power and lock
> button for 10 seconds or so... nothing.  Now what do I do?  Help!!!
> Thanks,
> Jen
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RE: Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Neil,

 

Try receiving a phone call with the headset plugged in, if you have problems 
then this is when they happen.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work

 

Hi, I just updated my 6. I had updated my 5 the day it came out with no 
problems. I don’t seem to have any problems on the 6 at this point. My Logitech 
810 keyboard works and I haven’t had any trouble receiving phone calls. So, my 
fingers are crossed. It sure is hard to type that way. Smile.

 

Neal

 

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RE: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jennifer,

 

Theoretically you should be able to downgrade by connecting to iTunes and use 
the “Check for Updates” option. You would first need to find an iOS 8.4.1 IPSW 
file for your device and download it, then open iTunes with your device 
connected, go to your device area and tab to the Check for Updates button and 
press Shift+Enter, browse to your downloaded iPS W file and your iPhone should 
be downgraded without the need for a rstore of a backup. I am saying “should” 
because not always do things go smoothly and you may have to end up putting 
your iPhne into recovery mode and to do a restore and then of course youwould 
need to restore from a backup. Now, since you have to to this via iTunes 
anyways, why not make an encrypted backup or at least a normal iTunes backup, 
this will backup all text messages.

 

Here is a link for a website where you can find your phone’s IPSW file:

http://www.iphonehacks.com/download-iphone-ios-firmware

 

The following link was posted by Richard a couple of days ago and it describes 
2 methodes you can downgrade, what I described above is method 2 which is not 
the recommended method, but which the author wrote worked for them and it has 
worked for me in the past:

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2015/09/how-to-downgrade-ios-9.html

 

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

 

Will I lose all of my text messages if I go back? They're the only thing that 
icloud won't back ups. 

Jenifer Barr

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:05 PM, christopher hallsworth mailto:challswor...@icloud.com> > wrote:

I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick before 
they stop signing it or pull it.

On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr mailto:claudas...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken phone?

Jenifer Barr

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <  
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my usual 
source for IPSW files,   http://IPSWDownloader.com, 
stops at version 8.3, version 12F70.

I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

 

Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're going to do 
it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its usual 
practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception of a 
pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.

The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you can find 
the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific iPhone model, 
you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" button in 
iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll have 8.4.1 
back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of your phone in 
its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have not, an iCloud 
restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.

But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, these 
instructions will stop working real soon.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

 

On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers <  
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:

 

Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I searched for 
things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a beta version back 
to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading from the released 
version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone has found that may 
be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have found?

 

Thanks for all help.

 

Neal

 

 

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Just updated my iPhone 6 and phone calls and keyboard work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I just updated my 6. I had updated my 5 the day it came out with no
problems. I don't seem to have any problems on the 6 at this point. My
Logitech 810 keyboard works and I haven't had any trouble receiving phone
calls. So, my fingers are crossed. It sure is hard to type that way. Smile.
 
Neal
 

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Re: AW: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

[Mary Otten]

Hi Olga,
There is only one Russian voice available for iOS. Well, there is a default and 
enhanced version of the same one. If you add Russian to your language rotor,  
you will see it. It's called milena. Or maybe I'm confusing that name with the 
one on the Mac. In any case, there is just one with the two variations.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:48 PM, 'Olga Koeva' via VIPhone 
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>  Hi Mary!
>  Which Russian voice do you mean? What do invoices mean? Is it something new 
> in IOS 9?
>  Best wishes, Olya
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag 
> von Mary Otten
> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. September 2015 05:00
> An: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Betreff: Slow speech with voices other than Alex
> 
> I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
> installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
> that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should 
> based on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, under 
> iOS 8 and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the Russian 
> one, would speak at a much faster rate than the default would warrant, based 
> on the English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. Now, if I want a 
> decent Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more than I would have 
> for English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native speaker of Russian.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

[Kerri G]

Yes, I felt the vibrations both in the iPhone 5S  and in the iPad mini so I 
wonder if it is a new feature but do not know as I have only ever had the 
iPhone no other accessible phones.


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:11 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Q:I updated recently, kept the phone in my hand and just listened to a book;  
> and I felt a double-buzz of the vibrate mode, which 
> indicated the last boot and it came up talking soon after that.
> 
> I made a point of not touching the screen at any price once it said rebooting 
> so it could just get on with it uninterrupted.
> 
> So,  is this vibrate thing new, has anybody else found it?  I know I 
> recommended such a thing for years.  My old Nokias have done it 
> for years so you know it is alive and kicking a bit even if not talking yet.
> 
> BobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:59 PM
> Subject: RE: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
> 
> 
> I know this won't help you now, but that is why upgrading via iTunes is such 
> a much more accessible process. When I upgraded my 
> wife's iPhone 6 (I use iTunes on a Windows 10 PC with Jaws) I could see the 
> download progress (that part is OK on the iPhone), but 
> once it started installing (where the iPhone says it's rebooting) Jaws keeps 
> on telling you what is going on once you put focus on 
> that area, e.g. extracting update, Verifying update with Apple,, installing 
> software, installing firmware and so on. In between you 
> also hear the PC sounds of USB disconnecting and reconnecting as your iPhone 
> reboots multiple times during the process and all in 
> all it's just a much less uncertain process.
> Having said this I did decide to update my 5S over the air after I downloaded 
> an iOS 8.4.1 firmware file which would have allowed me 
> to downgrade again had the phone bug been really bad. I was able to follow 
> the download progress, once my phone said it was 
> rebooting I kept it nearby so I could be sure I would hear Voiceover when it 
> was done. I think it's important to be patient and not 
> to touch the screen and especially not to press the power or home buttons. 
> Maybe I am just imagining this and it doesn't matter, but 
> I just kept my fingers away from it and about 10 or 12 minutes later 
> Voiceover came back and told me the update was done, I had to 
> double tap on the "Slide to setup" message and go through a few of the setup 
> screens and that was it.
> I am happy to say that the first time somebody called me and I had a headset 
> connected my phone only vibrated and I couldn'd answer 
> the call. Now, however, it seems to work fairly well, I can answer with the 
> remote on the headset and also a double tap and the 
> screen seems to be active although maybe a bit sluggish. What is more 
> important after I hang up a call my phone and Voiceover do not 
> freeze up so it appears I got lucky.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:22 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
> 
> So I decided today to install IOS 9.  Bad idea!!!  The last thing my
> phone said about a half hour ago was "phone rebooting".  After about
> 20 minutes of waiting, I tried resetting with the power and lock
> button for 10 seconds or so... nothing.  Now what do I do?  Help!!!
> Thanks,
> Jen
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Re: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

[Jenifer Barr]

Wait! I know I should have!!! lol 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Kerri G  wrote:
> 
> I tried to upgrade via iTunes but it never did work.  
> 2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my 
> power is
>  made perfect in weakness."  Therefore I will boast all the more gladly
>  about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I know this won't help you now, but that is why upgrading via iTunes is such 
>> a much more accessible process. When I upgraded my wife's iPhone 6 (I use 
>> iTunes on a Windows 10 PC with Jaws) I could see the download progress (that 
>> part is OK on the iPhone), but once it started installing (where the iPhone 
>> says it's rebooting) Jaws keeps on telling you what is going on once you put 
>> focus on that area, e.g. extracting update, Verifying update with Apple,, 
>> installing software, installing firmware and so on. In between you also hear 
>> the PC sounds of USB disconnecting and reconnecting as your iPhone reboots 
>> multiple times during the process and all in all it's just a much less 
>> uncertain process.
>> Having said this I did decide to update my 5S over the air after I 
>> downloaded an iOS 8.4.1 firmware file which would have allowed me to 
>> downgrade again had the phone bug been really bad. I was able to follow the 
>> download progress, once my phone said it was rebooting I kept it nearby so I 
>> could be sure I would hear Voiceover when it was done. I think it's 
>> important to be patient and not to touch the screen and especially not to 
>> press the power or home buttons. Maybe I am just imagining this and it 
>> doesn't matter, but I just kept my fingers away from it and about 10 or 12 
>> minutes later Voiceover came back and told me the update was done, I had to 
>> double tap on the "Slide to setup" message and go through a few of the setup 
>> screens and that was it.
>> I am happy to say that the first time somebody called me and I had a headset 
>> connected my phone only vibrated and I couldn'd answer the call. Now, 
>> however, it seems to work fairly well, I can answer with the remote on the 
>> headset and also a double tap and the screen seems to be active although 
>> maybe a bit sluggish. What is more important after I hang up a call my phone 
>> and Voiceover do not freeze up so it appears I got lucky.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:22 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
>> 
>> So I decided today to install IOS 9.  Bad idea!!!  The last thing my
>> phone said about a half hour ago was "phone rebooting".  After about
>> 20 minutes of waiting, I tried resetting with the power and lock
>> button for 10 seconds or so... nothing.  Now what do I do?  Help!!!
>> Thanks,
>> Jen
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Jenifer Barr]

Now that you mention it Mary... it is inconsistent. And, when I send a new 
message it doesn't seem to happen. (knock on wood!) 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I cleared all apps. No, I did not reset network settings, nor have I 
> ever done so. And the crash after send is inconsistent. Somehow, I don't 
> think network settings is it. If it were, why didn't wait till now? This is a 
> 5S, where the problem didn't happen right away. I have nine on an iPad mini. 
> I haven't seen the problem there. I haven't replied to many messages there. 
> But I have replied to at least one and didn't get the problem. And I didn't 
> redo network settings there. Both devices were upgraded using iTunes, a 
> departure from my usual over the air update practice.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I 
>> sent to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
>> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder 
>> if you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
>> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
>> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
>> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Shawn Krasniuk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
>> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
>> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... 
>> and I have to either go out of my email
>> 
>> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
>> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>>> 
>>> Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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> 
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Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Mary Otten]

Yes, I cleared all apps. No, I did not reset network settings, nor have I ever 
done so. And the crash after send is inconsistent. Somehow, I don't think 
network settings is it. If it were, why didn't wait till now? This is a 5S, 
where the problem didn't happen right away. I have nine on an iPad mini. I 
haven't seen the problem there. I haven't replied to many messages there. But I 
have replied to at least one and didn't get the problem. And I didn't redo 
network settings there. Both devices were upgraded using iTunes, a departure 
from my usual over the air update practice.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
> to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know 
> Jennifer didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if 
> you, Shawn and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS 
> Podcast recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all 
> network settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if 
> doing a reset all network settings would fix the problem now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had 
> this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after 
> each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and 
> I have to either go out of my email
> 
> Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
> seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
>> happen to me when replying to a message. 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
 
 
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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RE: 4-Digit Passcode?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christopher,

I upgraded my wife's iPod Touch fifth gen last night and noticed a "Passcode 
options" button. We only use the iPod Touch at home a bit so we didn't have a 
passcode set and when I went into the Passcode Options I was able to skip 
setting a passcode there.
When I upgraded my 5S and my wife's iPhone 6 I never noticed this either and 
just put in our usual 4-digit passcodes.
After reading about this I went into Touch Id and Passcodes on my 5S and the 
old option to turn off simple passcode is now gone. Instead if you want to make 
any changes to your passcode, you select to "Change Passcode". This will prompt 
you to enter your old 4-digit passcode. Once you do that, it now asks for a 
6-digit passcode, but you also have this "Passcode Options" button.
If you double tap on it, you now have the following choices:

Custom Alphanumeric code
Custom numeric code
4-digit numeric code
Cancel

So, here you can continue to use a 4-digit code, you can set a custom code 
which includes letters and numbers or you can set a custom numeric code which 
could be of custom length, e.g. 5, 6, 7 digits etc. I did not try to find the 
information on Google as to how short or how long it can be, but I tried it 
with 5 digits and it worked fine. The disadvantage is that if you do enter it, 
you have to tap on OK or Done depending on where you are since iOS does not 
automatically recognize that you have finished entering it after you put in the 
last digit. Not sure why this is the case, they could certainly set it up so it 
knows you entered a 5 digit passcode and once you enter the fifth digit it 
would automatically submit it. This is how it works with the new PIN you can 
set up to sign in to Windows 10, you set it up the first time and make it 
whatever length you want, then once you enter it it will submit automatically 
after you enter the last number of whatever length you chose to make it.
If you continue with a 4-digit code or set a new 6-digit code (this is now the 
default if you tap on the Change Passcode button) then as always your entry is 
submitted after you enter the forth or sixth digit.
I actually think going to a 6-digit code is a good idea, quite a bit ore secure 
than a 4-digit code and not a lot more difficult to enter and most of the time 
you can use Touch Id.
Once you change your passcode you also have the option to make this your new 
keychain security code or you can keep whichever keychain security code you 
were using before. Just make sure you remember if you make them not the same.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?

I can't find it now, but on my iPhone 4S, I did find the option to set a
6 digit passcode. I'm sure it's in an obvious place, but I didn't see it now in 
Settings -> Passcode. Even though I wasn't asked to change it when I upgraded 
on my iPhone 4S or iPhone 5, and I'm still using my four digit passcodes on 
these phones, apparently you can change it.

On 09/20/2015 08:00 AM, Terry-Ann Saurmann wrote:
> That is most interesting, because on my #5 and my #6, I was only asked 
> for my four digit pass code.  Terry
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth"
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?
>
>
>> Ok folks, in iOS 9, the first time you set up the update or after you 
>> restore your iOS device, you will be prompted for a six digit 
>> passcode. Don't want this? No problem! Just double tap the "passcode 

>> options" button.
>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:20, Christopher Chaltain 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this just an iPhone 6 Plus change? I don't recall seeing this on 
>>> either my iPhone 4S or my iPhone 5, and my four digit pass codes 
>>> still work fine. I did see something about a six digit key chain 
>>> passcode though. Is that what we're talking about here?
>>>
>>> On 09/19/2015 07:23 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
 You could just use your old one, with two more numbers tacked onto 
 the end or beginning, that way you have an easier time remembering it.


 Thanks,
 Ari

 On 9/19/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> It will be a brand new one, not taking your old one into account 
> at all.
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:05, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, list.
>> I have a 4-digit passcode, however, when I upgraded my Iphone6 
>> Plus to IOS9, the initial setup wanted me use a 6-digit passcode 
>> and it also gave me to skip that option for the time being.
>> Now my question is when I would setup a 6-digit passcode, should 
>> this new passcode contain the 4-digit of my current passcode or 
>> would that be a brand new one?
>> Thanks!
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Kerri G]

Oh I use all the tools you mentioned but I was only saying this as I get really 
tired of the content being somewhat inaccessible for us. I’ve seen this in Book 
share, audible etc etc.




> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> As a Canadian I usually don’t read threads about BARD, but while the CNIB 
> library may not have all the newest books, they nonetheless do have a lot of 
> good reads or listens and the Direct to Player app actually works pretty 
> good. You log in to the CNIB Digital Library, find a boolk you want to listen 
> to (you can do this on a computer or with Safari on the iPhone) and then tell 
> it to use Direct to Player instead of downloading it, then you open the 
> Direct to Player iOS app and you can stream or download the book.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Justice
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple
>  
> 
> Ummm... Apples and Oranges.  BARD was created by the U.S. government for U.S. 
> citizens.  If those in Canada what something similar, they should talk to 
> CNIB or other Canadian government agencies.  
>  
> Now back to talking about Apple and its products (Smile). 
>  
>  
>   David Justice :) 
>  
> 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:27 AM, Kerri G  > wrote:
> 
>> Also, it’  not just apple, we Canadians *always get things last, have yo 
>> forgotten we do not have BARD? oh well, I’m staying with apple et al until 
>> something comes along where Canadians can be on an equal playing field.
>>  
>> It is better to have a heart without words than words without a heart. 
>> ~Ghandi
>>  
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> The way I see things, countries like Canada and even India are lower on the 
>>> totem pole compared to the US. We didn't have iTunes Radio until Apple 
>>> Music, we still don't have Apple Pay which is one of the reasons why I'm 
>>> not jumping for joy about the iPhone 6 series, and now we don't get Apple 
>>> News. I've kinda gotten used to us getting things last or not getting them 
>>> at all, and I guess that's kinda a pathetic way of looking at things, but 
>>> hey, that's Apple for you. But I'm not gonna go back to a PC or switch to 
>>> Android because of a little thing like that because bottom line is Apple is 
>>> the best in terms of accessibility. I would reach out to Apple via social 
>>> media about the unfair advantage but 1, Apple doesn't have a Twitter 
>>> account and 2, I doubt that if we complain to Tim Cook about it through his 
>>> Twitter feed that he'd listen to us.
>>>  
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>  
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Ketan Kothari >>> > wrote:
  
 Dear friends,
  
 On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that 
 was being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app 
 (which should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal 
 issues) is not available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am 
 sure India is also one of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary 
 market and neither Apple maps nor apps like the News apps are made 
 available to Indian consumers.  Having said this, it is to be remembered 
 that Apple does not charge nothing less than the global price of Iphone or 
 Ipad from its Indian consumers.  I feel that this is an important issue 
 and should be conveyed to Apple through its website as well as social 
 media. 
  
 With best wishes,
  
 Ketan
  
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Re: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

[Kerri G]

I tried to upgrade via iTunes but it never did work.  
2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my 
power is
  made perfect in weakness."  Therefore I will boast all the more gladly
  about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.



> On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I know this won't help you now, but that is why upgrading via iTunes is such 
> a much more accessible process. When I upgraded my wife's iPhone 6 (I use 
> iTunes on a Windows 10 PC with Jaws) I could see the download progress (that 
> part is OK on the iPhone), but once it started installing (where the iPhone 
> says it's rebooting) Jaws keeps on telling you what is going on once you put 
> focus on that area, e.g. extracting update, Verifying update with Apple,, 
> installing software, installing firmware and so on. In between you also hear 
> the PC sounds of USB disconnecting and reconnecting as your iPhone reboots 
> multiple times during the process and all in all it's just a much less 
> uncertain process.
> Having said this I did decide to update my 5S over the air after I downloaded 
> an iOS 8.4.1 firmware file which would have allowed me to downgrade again had 
> the phone bug been really bad. I was able to follow the download progress, 
> once my phone said it was rebooting I kept it nearby so I could be sure I 
> would hear Voiceover when it was done. I think it's important to be patient 
> and not to touch the screen and especially not to press the power or home 
> buttons. Maybe I am just imagining this and it doesn't matter, but I just 
> kept my fingers away from it and about 10 or 12 minutes later Voiceover came 
> back and told me the update was done, I had to double tap on the "Slide to 
> setup" message and go through a few of the setup screens and that was it.
> I am happy to say that the first time somebody called me and I had a headset 
> connected my phone only vibrated and I couldn'd answer the call. Now, 
> however, it seems to work fairly well, I can answer with the remote on the 
> headset and also a double tap and the screen seems to be active although 
> maybe a bit sluggish. What is more important after I hang up a call my phone 
> and Voiceover do not freeze up so it appears I got lucky.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:22 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!
> 
> So I decided today to install IOS 9.  Bad idea!!!  The last thing my
> phone said about a half hour ago was "phone rebooting".  After about
> 20 minutes of waiting, I tried resetting with the power and lock
> button for 10 seconds or so... nothing.  Now what do I do?  Help!!!
> Thanks,
> Jen
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Kerri G]

It is copyright issues but it is a rotten issue is all Iwas saying.

>   there is no sharper blade than truth in a mouth of lies, no more
> treacherouslie than that from an honest man

> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> I am sure this has more to do with agreements with the media outlets for 
> legal and copyright complications than just carelessness from Apple.  Apple 
> has no right to give its users access to copy right material without signing 
> agreements with the providers of this material.  That is why the service is 
> available in some countries and in some languages and not in others.
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple
>  
> And here in Mexico as well as in Latin America? when will the News app be 
> available?
> 
> El 19/09/2015 01:51 a.m., Ketan Kothari escribió:
>> Dear friends,
>>  
>> On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that was 
>> being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which 
>> should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues) is 
>> not available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is 
>> also one of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and 
>> neither Apple maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to Indian 
>> consumers.  Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not 
>> charge nothing less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its Indian 
>> consumers.  I feel that this is an important issue and should be conveyed to 
>> Apple through its website as well as social media. 
>>  
>> With best wishes,
>>  
>> Ketan
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Aman Singer]

Hi Sieghard,

I don't see any, and can't really thinhk of any besides possibly
spelling issues and other text formatting. I would be stunned if Siri
had any problems, affter all, people with their region set to United
States will travel around the world and want to use Siri. Similarly,
the developer guide for language/region doesn't mention anything that
sounds too vital
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPInternational/SpecifyingPreferences/SpecifyingPreferences.html
I haven't had any issues myself, of course.
Sorry not to have been more conclusive, I would be interested in
anyone else's experiences.
Aman

On 9/19/15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Aman,
>
> Can you think of any disadvantages with respect to setting your region to
> United States, e.g. will it have an impact on SIRI not finding things etc.?
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Aman Singer
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple
>
> Hi,
> I think the News app is more or less an RSS reader with Apple spying
> built in. It's quite a nice and accessible reader, I like it, but I
> don't see anything that can't be gotten elsewhere fairly comfortably.
> Note that it might be more worth-while for us because it is very
> accessible both with braille and speech.  Having said that, and if you
> don't mind any information sharing issues, you can get the news app
> fairly easily despite not being in the United States. I have tried the
> app in Canada without difficulties. To get it, use the instructions at
> http://www.cultofmac.com/328592/how-to-get-ios-9s-news-app-outside-the-u-s/
> The article mentions the beta, but this works fine on iOS 9's final
> version on my 5S. Basically, the instructions are to go to settings,
> general, region/language, and then, under the region and formats
> heading, tap the button to select your region. tap "united states",
> then done, then reboot the phone. The news app should show up on the
> home screen. Obviously, you'll be stuck with US regional defaults if
> you do this, but these are not significant, in my view.
> I hope all that is of use.
> Aman
>
> 15, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that
>> was
>> being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which
>> should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues)
>> is
>> not available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is
>> also one of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and
>> neither Apple maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to
>> Indian
>> consumers.  Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not
>> charge nothing less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its
>> Indian
>> consumers.  I feel that this is an important issue and should be conveyed
>> to
>> Apple through its website as well as social media.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Ketan
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Re: vo mispernouncing things.

[Feliciano Godoy]

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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> i would like to know what the e mail is for sending feedback to apple since i 
> want to tell them about vo mispernouncing things like for instince space it 
> sounds like it is saying skace and lema it sounds like it is saying lena from 
> Mich. 
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question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?

[Dacia Cole]

Hi,

If I upgrade to IOS 9.0.  How do I downgrade and how long after can I
do it if I don't like IOS 9?

thanks,

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vo mispernouncing things.

[Mich Verrier]

i would like to know what the e mail is for sending feedback to apple since i 
want to tell them about vo mispernouncing things like for instince space it 
sounds like it is saying skace and lema it sounds like it is saying lena from 
Mich. 

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RE: hey siri using power

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Don,

As Christopher pointed out, if the phone is constantly on alert to listen to 
Hey SIRI, it puts a lot of drain on the battery. Aple has apparently solved 
this problem with the new 6S and 6S Plus hardware where Hey SIRI is available 
all the time. I actually really look forward to that and it is one feature 
which made me decide to upgrade my 5S to a 6S because I do live in northern BC 
where it can get pretty cold in the winter and if I can wear a wired or 
bluetooth headset and just say "Hey SIRI" to wake up SIRI while I am out and 
about, then that is definitely a good thing when my iPhone is under my coat and 
I am wearing gloves.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hey siri using power

It's because it's such a power intensive feature. It would put a lot of 
drain on your battery. Here's a Q&A that talks about this 
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-new-feature-hey-Siri-in-iOS-8-work-only-when-charging

On 09/20/2015 01:03 AM, don bishop wrote:
> Does anyone know why you need to beusing according power to get "hey siri" to 
> work?
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
>

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RE: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As a Canadian I usually don’t read threads about BARD, but while the CNIB 
library may not have all the newest books, they nonetheless do have a lot of 
good reads or listens and the Direct to Player app actually works pretty good. 
You log in to the CNIB Digital Library, find a boolk you want to listen to (you 
can do this on a computer or with Safari on the iPhone) and then tell it to use 
Direct to Player instead of downloading it, then you open the Direct to Player 
iOS app and you can stream or download the book.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Justice
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

 


Ummm... Apples and Oranges.  BARD was created by the U.S. government for U.S. 
citizens.  If those in Canada what something similar, they should talk to CNIB 
or other Canadian government agencies.  

 

Now back to talking about Apple and its products (Smile). 

 

 

  David Justice :) 

 


On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:27 AM, Kerri G mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com> > wrote:

Also, it’  not just apple, we Canadians *always get things last, have yo 
forgotten we do not have BARD? oh well, I’m staying with apple et al until 
something comes along where Canadians can be on an equal playing field.

 

It is better to have a heart without words than words without a heart. ~Ghandi

 

On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> > wrote:

 

The way I see things, countries like Canada and even India are lower on the 
totem pole compared to the US. We didn't have iTunes Radio until Apple Music, 
we still don't have Apple Pay which is one of the reasons why I'm not jumping 
for joy about the iPhone 6 series, and now we don't get Apple News. I've kinda 
gotten used to us getting things last or not getting them at all, and I guess 
that's kinda a pathetic way of looking at things, but hey, that's Apple for 
you. But I'm not gonna go back to a PC or switch to Android because of a little 
thing like that because bottom line is Apple is the best in terms of 
accessibility. I would reach out to Apple via social media about the unfair 
advantage but 1, Apple doesn't have a Twitter account and 2, I doubt that if we 
complain to Tim Cook about it through his Twitter feed that he'd listen to us.

 

Shawn

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On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Ketan Kothari mailto:muktake...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Dear friends,

 

On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that was 
being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which should 
not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues) is not 
available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is also one 
of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and neither Apple 
maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to Indian consumers.  
Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not charge nothing 
less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its Indian consumers.  I feel 
that this is an important issue and should be conveyed to Apple through its 
website as well as social media.  

 

With best wishes,

 

Ketan

 

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RE: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

I tried this twice now, one email of a friend I replied to and another I sent 
to myself from my work email and on my 5S there is no problem. I know Jennifer 
didn't take any preparatory steps prior to upgrading and I wonder if you, Shawn 
and you, Mary, did any of the steps Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast 
recommends. Primarily I mean to quit all apps and do a reset all network 
settings prior to upgrading. It would also be interesting to see if doing a 
reset all network settings would fix the problem now.

-Original Message-
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Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vo crashing after sending emails: ios 9. Has anyone else had this 
problem? So far I've replied to probably five or so emails... and after each 
one... voiceover either crashes, stups working for a minute or so... and I have 
to either go out of my email

Yes, I've had this problem too. On my iPhone 5S, Voiceover crashes for 20-30 
seconds and then it comes back on talking. Very annoying.

Shawn
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> On Sep 19, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary. I hope you don't ever have this problem!!! lol. It only seems to 
> happen to me when replying to a message. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> So far, I have not had this problem. Knock wood.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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iOS9 and Fantastical

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm whether 
it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can select new event 
and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at all so can't write 
it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using another diary, I can 
read and edit that event in Fantastical.

I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
what's going on?

Carol P

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AW: Siri voices for voiceover

['Olga Koeva' via VIPhone]

  Hello Shawn!
  Thank you very much. I will listen to the new voices when I update to IOS 9.
   Olya

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Shawn Krasniuk
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. September 2015 17:53
An: viphone@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: Siri voices for voiceover

In settings, either search for Voiceover or go to it the normal way, general, 
accessibility, Voiceover, speech, and select your default dialect. Once there, 
you should see the Siri voices, both male and female, default and enhanced, so 
select the voice you want. HTH.

Shawn
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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:38 AM, david gross  wrote:
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> How do you make these changes?
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AW: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

['Olga Koeva' via VIPhone]

  Hi Mary!
  Which Russian voice do you mean? What do invoices mean? Is it something new 
in IOS 9?
  Best wishes, Olya

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Betreff: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should based 
on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, under iOS 8 
and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the Russian one, would 
speak at a much faster rate than the default would warrant, based on the 
English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. Now, if I want a decent 
Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more than I would have for 
English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native speaker of Russian.
Mary

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Re: Power saving mode

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

It's not on my ipod touch fifth gen either, i've looked.
Also, you can ask siri to turn it on or off, in case nobody mentioned that yet.

On 9/20/15, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
> Not on the iPad, don't know about iPod since I don't have one.
>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>
>> Let me ask, is this low power mode availible on the ipad and ipod touch?
>> The reason I ask, I don't find it on my 5th generation ipod touch running
>> ios 9.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Power saving mode
>>
>> Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has meant
>> for this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and you want
>> to get the most out of your remaining battery life.
>> When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power mode
>> is on the screen.
>> You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling
>> SIRI "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
>> This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at
>> that point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power mode
>> will be turned on.
>> OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on
>> without showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and off
>> with SIRI. I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad additional
>> option to have in control centre.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Power saving mode
>>
>> Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?
>>
>> I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving option
>> in control center?  That would make it easily accessible to toggle
>> on/off.
>>
>> Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for public
>> beta?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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follow-up to my pre-ordering from the Apple Store app question of last week

[Vicky Collins]

You might recall that I mentioned pre-ordering the 64GB AT&T 
iPhone 6S  plus, but then canceled the order when I looked 
further at the contract free option.  I still haven't ordered 
anything; but, as often is the case, grin, I'm thinking I'll go 
back and get the AT&T model after all.  Although, of course, I 
won't have it on the 25th.


I did call Apple to ask the differences in the various phones; 
and, while the person was quite willing to help and stay on the 
line as long as necessary, I kind of felt I was directing her to 
look and find each specification for which I had a question.  She 
did let me know, as I had forgotten that detail, about AT&T not 
unlocking a phone till someone has been with them for 60 days.  
But, whether that means 60 days as a brand new customer, or 60 
days after an upgrade, I didn't choose to pursue seeing as I plan 
to stay with AT&T and just like the idea of having complete 
control over my phones.


Here are links to three different articles which lean me towards 
getting the AT&T phone, and then getting it unlocked at some 
future date.  Oh, before I give those links, I just checked the 
Apple Store app again; and, believe it or not, the 6S 64GB in 
Space Gray is still showing delivers on the 25th as of ten till 
four EDT this Sunday afternoon in the United States, while the 
similar model in the 6S plus is showing available to ship in 3 to 
4 weeks.  Even though I tend to prefer the smaller models, I 
decided to again try the larger phone.


The first link here is to the Apple specifications for the new 
iPhones, the second link deals with the extra band 30 on the AT&T 
model and the last link deals more with an international flavor 
of discussing the different phone models:


www.apple.com/iphone-6s/specs/

www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2491013,00.asp

www.techwalls.com/iphone-6s-plus-models-differences/

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Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare

[Alex Hall]

It actually is on the screen, but VoiceOver can't see that it is. I saw this 
during testing, but it was only on the AppleVis search box and I couldn't find 
anywhere else the problem was happening. Thanks for reporting this, as it now 
gives a second website for all of us to report to Apple so they can try to find 
the problem. If anyone runs across any others, please let the list know. Please 
also verify this problem on your own device, then report it to 
accessibil...@apple.com. Thanks.
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 14:36, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Now, that is a weird one.  They both are actually entering text, but acting 
> as it does when one types a password.  I guess, for whatever reason, it isn't 
> showing up on the screen, so VoiceOver can't read the text in the search box. 
>  I guess I gave up on it too soon before, when I couldn't read anything that 
> I had written. 
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Alex Hall 
>> To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare
>> 
>> Can you do me two favors? First, type your search anyway, even though you're 
>> getting error sounds--you are getting those sounds, right? Once you do, try 
>> searching and see what happens. Next, can you go to www.applevis.com 
>>  and try to type into the search field on the main 
>> page? If my guess is right, the same thing will happen there that's 
>> happening on Bookshare. Thanks in advance.
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 13:48, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before anybody asks, I have rebooted my phone, and reset it with the power 
>>> and home buttons, with no resolution of my problem.
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt   
 - Original Message -
 From: Arnold Schmidt 
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:45 PM
 Subject: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare
 
 I prefer to log onto bookshare via safari so I can add books to my  
 reading list, rather than downloading them immediately into Voice Dream.  
 Now, I  neither can type into the search box, nor paste anything into it 
 from the clip board.  This worked perfectly before the upgrade.  And, this 
 is the only search box, so far, that I can't type data into.  I still can 
 use Voice Dream to search for books. Does anybody else have this problem?  
 Hopefully not.
  
 Arnold Schmidt 
 
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RE: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Fazil]

My Logitech K810 is doing just fine too with IOS9 IPhone6Plus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rich Ring
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rich Ring
Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!

On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

 

Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my backup 
iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does not 
even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup and 
what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 certainly 
works in many edit fields I have been working in.

 

Neal

 

 

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Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[Jenifer Barr]

Will I lose all of my text messages if I go back? They're the only thing that 
icloud won't back ups. 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:05 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick 
> before they stop signing it or pull it.
>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken phone?
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my usual 
>>> source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com, stops at version 8.3, 
>>> version 12F70.
>>> I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
>>>  
>>> Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're going to 
>>> do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its usual 
>>> practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception of a 
>>> pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.
>>> The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you can 
>>> find the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific iPhone 
>>> model, you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" 
>>> button in iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually 
>>> you'll have 8.4.1 back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in 
>>> iTunes of your phone in its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If 
>>> you have not, an iCloud restore should be a much lengthier but feasible 
>>> restore.
>>> But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, these 
>>> instructions will stop working real soon.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>  
>>> On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I searched for 
>>> things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a beta version 
>>> back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading from the 
>>> released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone has 
>>> found that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have 
>>> found?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for all help.
>>>  
>>> Neal
>>>  
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Re: any way to e-mail to text to a British mobile from the States?

[Alex Stone]

Dean, sorry mate, I don't believe it can be done. I'd use what's app Biber or 
skype if she has it.
If what you have to say isn't too private, you could e-mail it to me, and I 
could text her, I get unlimited free texts.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 12:56, Dean Martineau  wrote:
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> I would like to text a friend in the UK.  She says she has a Tesco phone.  I 
> have lists of US cell providers with ways to e-mail so that the recipient 
> receives a text, but that wasn’t on the list.  Does anybody know if it’s 
> possible?
>  
> Thanks.
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Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare

[Arnold Schmidt]

Now, that is a weird one.  They both are actually entering text, but acting as 
it does when one types a password.  I guess, for whatever reason, it isn't 
showing up on the screen, so VoiceOver can't read the text in the search box.  
I guess I gave up on it too soon before, when I couldn't read anything that I 
had written.  

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare


  Can you do me two favors? First, type your search anyway, even though you're 
getting error sounds--you are getting those sounds, right? Once you do, try 
searching and see what happens. Next, can you go to www.applevis.com and try to 
type into the search field on the main page? If my guess is right, the same 
thing will happen there that's happening on Bookshare. Thanks in advance.

On Sep 20, 2015, at 13:48, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:


Before anybody asks, I have rebooted my phone, and reset it with the power 
and home buttons, with no resolution of my problem.

Arnold Schmidt   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Arnold Schmidt 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:45 PM
  Subject: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare


  I prefer to log onto bookshare via safari so I can add books to my  
reading list, rather than downloading them immediately into Voice Dream.  Now, 
I  neither can type into the search box, nor paste anything into it from the 
clip board.  This worked perfectly before the upgrade.  And, this is the only 
search box, so far, that I can't type data into.  I still can use Voice Dream 
to search for books. Does anybody else have this problem?  Hopefully not.

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iTunes 12.1.3

[Arnold Schmidt]

To close the situation from yesterday, Apple just gave me iTunes 12.1.3, I 
guess they fixed it so it will run under vista 32 bit.  Now, at least I can 
interface with my phone, so I get to put off buying another computer until when 
I originally had intended to do so.  Thanks Apple.

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Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Rich Ring]

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
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> Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my backup 
> iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does not 
> even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
> and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
> certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: For All Camera App Users

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Oh ok. Will send a report now then, as more than happy to support those who do 
use it. 

Eleanor 

Sent from my iPad

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 17:25, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just because you don't use a feature you can still report it and in doing so 
> support those who do use it. After all, you said you use bluetooth keyboards 
> all the time, I rarely do but yet I send an email to accessibil...@apple.com 
> and rephrased what I read about this bug since it seems important to many and 
> I am quite sure that Apple has some way to priortise the bug reports they are 
> getting based on how many people report hem..
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: For All Camera App Users
> 
> I agree. The only reason I won't be reporting this bug is because I've never 
> used the camera with VO, so would literally have no idea what I was on about. 
> But I really think anyone who does should report it, along with any/all the 
> other bugs they come across. After all, that's exactly what Apple asked us 
> all to do in their last response to me. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 01:25, Arianna Sepulveda  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't even know you could zoom the camera with VO inabled. The only
>> reason that I probably won't be reporting this bug is that I have no
>> idea how to use the camera's zoom feature; I don't feel knowledgeable
>> enough on the subject to provide a bug report. I feel others who do
>> use this feature should, though.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On 9/19/15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> If you haven't discovered it yet, in iOS 9.0, you soon will, said discovery
>>> being that once again, the camera Zoom is in accessible when VoiceOver is
>>> enabled.  I reported this during the beta cycle but it was not resolved.
>>> 
>>> You know, the problem with being a beta tester is that one cannot discuss
>>> bugs with the general public who make up the majority of users who could
>>> contact the company informing it of how important a feature is to the
>>> usability and subsequent enjoyment of the product.  So frustrating.
>>> 
>>> I take a lot of photos and in iOS 8.4.1 the camera Zoom works beautifully
>>> via the VoiceOver Rotor.  The only workaround in 9.0 is what it was in
>>> certain versions of iOS 7.x; that is to turn VoiceOver off, set the zoom,
>>> then turn VoiceOver back on and take the photo.  What a pain.
>>> 
>>> So please join me in requesting that this bug be addressed as soon as
>>> possible.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
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RE: Siri voice for voice over

[Richard Turner]

For what it is worth, here is an interview from just before the iPhone 5 was 
released on  YouTube with Karen Jacobson, the source for the Australian Female 
voice named Karen on iPHones and GPS systems around the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z5XYvtP04M

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri voice for voice over

Glad I read your message first, I was about to write one along the same lines, 
then I cancelled it because I thought why add more traffic to the list, but 
after I read your message I thought I also ask. I even Googled this and found 
references as to the real people whose voices are behind SIRI, e.g. the female 
US SIRI voice is based on Susan Bennett, but I didn't come across Aaron and 
Nicky anywhere.

Regards,
Sieghard 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:05 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Siri voice for voice over

Right. Can I ask, how the hell do you know the names of the Siri voices? 
Because on my iOS devides at least, all I get is "Siri Male", "Siri Female" etc.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:26, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Yeah I like the Siri voices for Voiceover too. I alternate between Gordon, 
> the Australian male Siri voice and Martha, the British female Siri voice. I 
> don't really care for the American siri voices, Aaron and Nicky, because 
> Nicky has lost her inflection she had in previous iOS versions and Aaron 
> kinda reminds me of Neospeech Paul.
> 
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>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very 
>> unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But 
>> just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be 
>> replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
>> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on 
>> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of 
>> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice, 
>> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try 
>> to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you 
>> who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss, 
>> give it a try.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

[Neal Ewers]

Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my
backup iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It
does not even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this
same setup and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6,
but the 5 certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.
 
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Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare

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Can you do me two favors? First, type your search anyway, even though you're 
getting error sounds--you are getting those sounds, right? Once you do, try 
searching and see what happens. Next, can you go to www.applevis.com and try to 
type into the search field on the main page? If my guess is right, the same 
thing will happen there that's happening on Bookshare. Thanks in advance.
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 13:48, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
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> Before anybody asks, I have rebooted my phone, and reset it with the power 
> and home buttons, with no resolution of my problem.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt   
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare
>> 
>> I prefer to log onto bookshare via safari so I can add books to my  reading 
>> list, rather than downloading them immediately into Voice Dream.  Now, I  
>> neither can type into the search box, nor paste anything into it from the 
>> clip board.  This workedperfectly before the upgrade.  And, this is the 
>> only search box, so far, that I can't type data into.  I still can use Voice 
>> Dream to search for books. Does anybody else have this problem?  Hopefully 
>> not.
>>  
>> Arnold Schmidt 
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Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick before 
they stop signing it or pull it.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken phone?
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
> 
>> Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my usual 
>> source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com 
>> , stops at version 8.3, version 12F70.
>> I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
>>  
>> Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're going to 
>> do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its usual 
>> practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception of a 
>> pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.
>> The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you can 
>> find the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific iPhone 
>> model, you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" 
>> button in iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll 
>> have 8.4.1 back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of 
>> your phone in its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have 
>> not, an iCloud restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.
>> But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, these 
>> instructions will stop working real soon.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>  
>> On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I searched for 
>> things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a beta version 
>> back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading from the 
>> released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone has 
>> found that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have 
>> found?
>>  
>> Thanks for all help.
>>  
>> Neal
>>  
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[Wren Langley]

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: For All Camera App Users

[gs]

If this is indeed how Apple decides to fix something that is probably broken 
for all users and does not need to be reproduced, somewhat like the reporting 
of the number of messages in an email thread, it is a very poor and inefficient 
way of addressing issues. There are more messages posted to this list begging 
people to email accessibil...@apple.com than probably anything else. At least 
it seems that way to me right now.


On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Just because you don't use a feature you can still report it and in doing so 
support those who do use it. After all, you said you use bluetooth keyboards 
all the time, I rarely do but yet I send an email to accessibil...@apple.com 
and rephrased what I read about this bug since it seems important to many and I 
am quite sure that Apple has some way to priortise the bug reports they are 
getting based on how many people report hem..


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: For All Camera App Users

I agree. The only reason I won't be reporting this bug is because I've never 
used the camera with VO, so would literally have no idea what I was on about. 
But I really think anyone who does should report it, along with any/all the 
other bugs they come across. After all, that's exactly what Apple asked us all 
to do in their last response to me. 

Eleanor 

Sent from my iPad

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 01:25, Arianna Sepulveda  wrote:
> 
> I didn't even know you could zoom the camera with VO inabled. The only
> reason that I probably won't be reporting this bug is that I have no
> idea how to use the camera's zoom feature; I don't feel knowledgeable
> enough on the subject to provide a bug report. I feel others who do
> use this feature should, though.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On 9/19/15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> If you haven't discovered it yet, in iOS 9.0, you soon will, said discovery
>> being that once again, the camera Zoom is in accessible when VoiceOver is
>> enabled.  I reported this during the beta cycle but it was not resolved.
>> 
>> You know, the problem with being a beta tester is that one cannot discuss
>> bugs with the general public who make up the majority of users who could
>> contact the company informing it of how important a feature is to the
>> usability and subsequent enjoyment of the product.  So frustrating.
>> 
>> I take a lot of photos and in iOS 8.4.1 the camera Zoom works beautifully
>> via the VoiceOver Rotor.  The only workaround in 9.0 is what it was in
>> certain versions of iOS 7.x; that is to turn VoiceOver off, set the zoom,
>> then turn VoiceOver back on and take the photo.  What a pain.
>> 
>> So please join me in requesting that this bug be addressed as soon as
>> possible.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[John Diakogeorgiou]

It's fixed for me..

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network settings 
> or resetting all settings. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has fixed 
>> a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize their 
>> time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they have 
>> already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
 
 There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so they 
> do know about it, but having more people say it's important to get it 
> fixed should help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really annoying 
>> me at the moment. We should write to 
>> 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Right?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
>>> native
>>> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
>>> messages
>>> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
>>> messages
>>> in thread."  
>>> 
>>> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number of
>>> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in submitting a
>>> feedback request to Apple.
>>> 
>>> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  Feel 
>>> free to
>>> use any or all of it in your submissions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> [Begin Feedback]
>>> 
>>> TITLE:
>>> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of Messages in 
>>> a
>>> collapsed Email Message Thread
>>> 
>>> DESCRIPTION:
>>> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number of
>>> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently released
>>> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
>>> messages
>>> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a thread is important because said number may indicate how
>>> important or urgent the thread is to the user.
>>> 
>>> STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
>>> To reproduce this issue:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> From the LaunchPad, select Settings.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Select Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set Preview to None.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to, "ON".
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Launch the native iOS 9.0 Mail app.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> In the Messages Table, place VoiceOver focus on a message thread 
>>> containing
>>> multiple messages.
>>> 
>>> EXPECTED RESULTS:
>>> I expect VoiceOver to announce the actual number of messages in the 
>>> thread.
>>> 
>>> ACTUAL RESULTS:
>>> VoiceOver says, "Multiple messages in thread."
>>> 
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Re: moving app with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

Ah ok. Because I remember you could do it with a bluetooth keyboard.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 11:05, Cheryl Lenartiene  
> wrote:
> 
> You can't, as there's no way to tell the iDevice through the Braille display 
> that you're dragging your finger around the screen.
> Cheryl
> 
> Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Stephanie  > wrote:
> 
>> Yes you can. I'd done it. But I haven't been able to move apps.
>> Steph
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: christopher hallsworth  > >
>> To: Viphone  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:06 pm
>> Subject: Re: moving app with braille display
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not sure if that's true now you can do a double tap and hold on a Braille 
>>> display with a 3-6-7-8 chord.
 On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:19, Scott Dollar >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Stephanie,
 
 You can't do that with a braille display to move a folder on your phone. 
 You must put your finger on the screen on the iphone to be able to move 
 the folder.
 
 Hope this help you.
 
 Respectful,
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Stephanie
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:58 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: moving app with braille display
 
 I want to put a app in to my extras folder. I can do the tap and hold with 
 my braille display. But it won't move my app to the extras folder  when I 
 repeat the tap and hold on the folder I want to move it too. What am I 
 doing wrong?
 Steph
 
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Re: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare

[Arnold Schmidt]

Before anybody asks, I have rebooted my phone, and reset it with the power and 
home buttons, with no resolution of my problem.

Arnold Schmidt   
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  Subject: Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare


  I prefer to log onto bookshare via safari so I can add books to my  reading 
list, rather than downloading them immediately into Voice Dream.  Now, I  
neither can type into the search box, nor paste anything into it from the clip 
board.  This worked perfectly before the upgrade.  And, this is the only search 
box, so far, that I can't type data into.  I still can use Voice Dream to 
search for books. Does anybody else have this problem?  Hopefully not.

  Arnold Schmidt 

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Can't Type Into Search Box On Bookshare

[Arnold Schmidt]

I prefer to log onto bookshare via safari so I can add books to my  reading 
list, rather than downloading them immediately into Voice Dream.  Now, I  
neither can type into the search box, nor paste anything into it from the clip 
board.  This worked perfectly before the upgrade.  And, this is the only search 
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Re: 4-Digit Passcode?

[christopher hallsworth]

I wasn't asked for a passcode at all on my iPhone 5s since I had one already. 
On my iPad Mini 2 however I was asked for a passcode.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 14:00, Terry-Ann Saurmann  
> wrote:
> 
> That is most interesting, because on my #5 and my #6, I was only asked for my 
> four digit pass code.  Terry
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?
> 
> 
>> Ok folks, in iOS 9, the first time you set up the update or after you 
>> restore your iOS device, you will be prompted for a six digit passcode. 
>> Don't want this? No problem! Just double tap the "passcode options" button.
>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:20, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this just an iPhone 6 Plus change? I don't recall seeing this on either 
>>> my iPhone 4S or my iPhone 5, and my four digit pass codes still work fine. 
>>> I did see something about a six digit key chain passcode though. Is that 
>>> what we're talking about here?
>>> 
>>> On 09/19/2015 07:23 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
 You could just use your old one, with two more numbers tacked onto the
 end or beginning, that way you have an easier time remembering it.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On 9/19/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> It will be a brand new one, not taking your old one into account at all.
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:05, Fazil  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, list.
>> I have a 4-digit passcode, however, when I upgraded my Iphone6 Plus to
>> IOS9, the initial setup wanted me use a 6-digit passcode and it also gave
>> me to skip that option for the time being.
>> Now my question is when I would setup a 6-digit passcode, should this new
>> passcode contain the 4-digit of my current passcode or would that be a
>> brand new one?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Power saving mode

[christopher hallsworth]

Not on the iPad, don't know about iPod since I don't have one.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Let me ask, is this low power mode availible on the ipad and ipod touch? The 
> reason I ask, I don't find it on my 5th generation ipod touch running ios 9.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Power saving mode
> 
> Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has meant for 
> this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and you want to get 
> the most out of your remaining battery life.
> When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power mode is 
> on the screen.
> You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling SIRI 
> "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
> This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at that 
> point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power mode will be 
> turned on.
> OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on without 
> showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and off with SIRI. 
> I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad additional option to have in 
> control centre.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
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> Subject: Power saving mode
> 
> Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?
> 
> I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving option in 
> control center?  That would make it easily accessible to toggle on/off.
> 
> Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for public 
> beta?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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