Re: Where is the open iTunes when phone connected option

2013-10-10 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi. I haven't looked thoroughly into this, but I just did a google search. 
apparently, this is for a previous version, but someone posted on a forum that 
they tried checking and then unchecking the box for manually syncing songs, and 
it worked for them and another person. Odd little glitch there. I'm reluctant 
to try it in my case, since i don't want to fix what ain't broken, as it 
were. but here's the link to the thread:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5051919?start=0tstart=0

Teresa
On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, that is indeed a mystery. Why would one person have the control and 
 another not? How strange.
 
 teresa
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa,
 
 Yes, I'm using iTunes 11.1.1, and I know about interacting with the scroll 
 area.
 
 Cheers,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is the current version of iTunes 11.1.1? In the scroll area in the summary 
 tab is the option to open iTunes when the device is connected. It's 
 necessary on the Mac to interact with the scroll area.
 
 Teresa
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa,
 
 HOw funny. I also use the latest version of iTunes on a Mac, and that 
 setting isn't there.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm using a Mac with the latest version of iTunes. This option is still 
 in the summary tab. There is a scroll area just past the tabs. Once I 
 interact with that, there are several settings and status messages. There 
 is an options heading, and within that is a checkbox which reads: open 
 iTunes when this device is connected.
 
 I don't know where the corresponding area is in Windows, if it is there.
 
 Hth,
 Teresa
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Cher,
 
 It used to be on the Summary tab, but I don’t think it’s there any more. 
 I assume if you check to Sync your iPhone when you connect it which 
 still is in the Summary Tab then iTunes will most likely open, otherwise 
 you just have to open it manually. Personally I never liked iTunes to 
 open automatically every time I plugged in my phone to charge it on the 
 computer, after all, you can put iTunes on the taskbar in Windows 7 (if 
 you are using Windows 7) and open it with a single keystroke depending 
 on which position it is in on your taskbar. For example, If you have it 
 in third position, you just press Windows Key+3. Otherwise you could 
 always setup a shortcut key like Control+Shift+I or something like that. 
 I prefer having my 5 or 6 most used applications like Internet Explorer, 
 Outlook, Skype, iTunes etc. on the taskbar and to use the Windows 
 Key+corresponding number since this works without having to set up 
 anything, it’s a standard Windows shortcut.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Chris H

Good morning all.
In preparation for iTunes Radio coming to the UK by early 2014, I have 
subscribed to iTunes Match to get an ad free experience. My question is 
this.
When I signed up, I was asked to edit my payment details, since I had it 
set to none. All was well and I was successfully subscribed.
I checked my e-mails this morning, and I got the receipt, but the 
subscription came out of my store credit. This is slick, but why did 
Apple need a valid credit card on file in the first place? Is this for 
automatic renewals or something?

Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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RE: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Liz and Sammie
My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am considering
subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right now,
but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?  

Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie

Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

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Re: Accessible pedometer apps

2013-10-10 Thread Brett
Hi, 

Is this iTreadmill you are refering too? If so, I haven't used it for a while 
as I have been slack on the treadmil.

I have found the following bug in iTreadmill which seems to have been 
introduced in iOS7. If in settings, you have Screen Blanking set to on, 
iTreadmill, It doesn't count steps correctly, if at all. If you set Screen 
Blanking to off, Itreadmill will then work correctly. 

I am currently trying Pacer, which does run in the background and you can 
toggle off location services so that it just uses the accelorometer. It doesn't 
show as much information as iTreadmill, but looks good so far and it is fully 
accessible. 

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

 On 10 Oct 2013, at 8:40 am, Wayne gmail  ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On the other hand, when I get on the treadmill, I often find that when I
 have double tapped the start/ pause button and started walking, it didn't
 actually start and my distance covered in my walk is zero.  Discouraging
 news as you wipe away the sweat I can tell you!  If anyone can give me a
 hint on how I know I've really got it started I would really appreciate it.
 I would also appreciate corroboration or correction that you cannot leave
 the app and load something else and have it run in the background.  Thanks!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Raul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps
 
 Hi, not only that, but pedometer apps which rely on gps have 2 flaws. 1,
 they don't work on treadmills, 2 they don't work reliably even if you are
 walking outside because of how gps doesn't track exact movement and it can't
 figure out where you go until you have moved usually 30 feet or more in one
 direction. What if you decide to do your walking in circles?
 
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 On 10/7/2013 8:49 AM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
 Thanks for those that recommended apps. I ultimatley decided on 
 iTreadMill, since though it has a lot of options on what to track, it 
 also had what I was looking for. Unlike other apps, it does not appear 
 to use GPS and thus drain battery, which is also good.
 
 Regards,
 Wayne
 
 On 10/7/13, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have it now, but not quite sure how to begin will get it figured 
 out sometime but not this morning.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps
 
 iTreadmill is a good one.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Merritt
 Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:06 PM
 To: viphone
 Subject: Accessible pedometer apps
 
 Greetings. I am wanting to get an accessible pedometer app. I have 
 tried searching on the App Store but over 300 results show up. I've 
 looked on AppleVis, but most of the apps that come up are several 
 years old. I want an ap that will count my steps and tell me the 
 distance that i have walked. I do not want one of the exercise games.
 Also,if the app were free that would be good too. I have an iPhone 5 
 with iOS 7, for whatever that's worth.
 
 Regards,
 Wayne
 
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RE: facetime audio only?

2013-10-10 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
speaking of audio does anyone have an idea what they're using for a CODEC?  I 
have heard some say
that the audio is better than skype.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ron Pelletier
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 20:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: facetime audio only?

Hi,

The camera is not active in a Facetime voice only call.  The audio seems better 
than if you are in a
video Facetime call.

Ron  Danvers


Falling down is part of LIFE...
Getting back up is LIVING...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: facetime audio only?

no I think the camera is live at all times during a face time call.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Corey Michael Cook
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 00:25
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: facetime audio only?

I thought it would do audio only if you locked the screen of your phone.

Corey Cook
Facebook:
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: facetime audio only?

I got the impression there was a way to do this but I have not seen it what am 
I missing?


Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Siri is no longer human

2013-10-10 Thread BBS
Personally, I like the new female voice of Siri. I found out that when I 
plugged in my iPhone, it downloaded a more HQ version of the male and female 
voice. I mean, with all do respect to Susan Bennett, when I say hi to this new 
Siri, she does a lot of inflection when she says hi back. I just found Susan's 
voice for the old Siri and Samantha to be robotic. I'm actually surprised that 
when Vocalizer Expressive came out which is the TTS engine for the iPhone, they 
only made the Australian Karen voice sound more human. I was actually thinking 
of writing to Nuance or to Susan herself that they should make Samantha's voice 
more human since I use Vocalizer Expressive on my iPhone, NVDA, and soon, my 
Mac.

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

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RE: handwriting help

2013-10-10 Thread Sandy Finley
OK.  I am now in Accessibility.
I have just double tapped VoiceOver On, followed by the same for VoiceOver
Practice.
The toggle switch is set to Handwriting help' in other words, if I touch
that toggle it says, general help and I am not double tapping it.
Now, when I touch the screen VO says,
Touch, draw letters and numbers on the screen to input text...

I thought that this was a place where I could practie my handwriting on the
screen. Is my expectation wrong? Doesn't seem like much help!
 


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: handwriting help

Hi Sandy,

You don't need to have the rotor on handwriting to get handwriting help. You
do need to have selected it so that it can appear on the rotor, but you can
have the rotor set to anything you like when you go to VoiceOVer settings
and double-tap the VoiceOver Practice button.

HTH,
Anna



On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anna, There is something that is still confusing me about what you say.
 At what point in this process do I select handwriting on the rotor? 
 Right now I am on the home screen. If I select handwriting on the 
 rotor from there, I cannot go into settings; the entire screen is 
 devoted to and writing.  Yet, if I go into Voiceover Practice, 
 Handwriting is not s setting on my rotor because the rotor is so 
 context sensitive. I'm missing something. Thanks for your patience.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:35 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: handwriting help
 
 Hi,
 
 From the voiceOver settings screen, choose Practice Gestures. If the 
 button in the top left corner says Handwriting Help, double-tap it. 
 Now, as you make gestures on the screen, VoiceOver will tell you what 
 they do when you set the rotor to Handwriting.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 says,
 
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi.  I am trying to activate Handwriting Help that is under VoiceOver 
 in
 Accessibility ; I see the toggle between Handwriting Hebb_lp and 
 General HELP but I see no difference in the screen. I have 
 Handwriting activated on the rotor.What am I doing wrong? Thanks.'
 
 
 
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Re: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

2013-10-10 Thread Carol Pearson
Oh, that's sad because I want to use it on the phone.

Has anyone else upgraded and had problems, please, or can you say you can 
specifically use it with the phone?

Thanks for any further comments.




carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 10 Oct 2013, at 05:39 AM, Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com wrote:

I have updated Tonido on both my iPhone and iPad Mini.   It is true that Tonido 
does not appear to work on the iPhone.  When you tap the actions button, 
nothing appears.  On the iPad Mini, the actions screen does appear.



Sent from my iPad Mini

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:13 PM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I would suggest not updating it. I have it on a device running 6.13 and have 
 not updated it and it works fine, but the one I have updated on my IOS 7.0 
 device does not work with VoiceOver.
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:14 AM
 To: VI Phone Users
 Subject: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido
 
 Has anyone used the Tonido app forIOS seven yet? I would be interested to 
 know how you find it.
 
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Re: Siri is no longer human

2013-10-10 Thread Carol Pearson
The male voice here in the UK is fine as Siri to me. In Madagascar Siri is a 
boy's name and means John.

I hope those of you who have been used to Siri as a female heel better about 
this now!




carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 10 Oct 2013, at 01:54 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

I think Susan was actually speaking the words. There were know words she 
mispronounced. I now use the male voice instead. I wonder what his name is. 
It’s hard to refer to him as Siri.
 
Neal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brent Harding
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is no longer human
 
I thought all of it is synthesized out of models they make of her voice, 
otherwise it would only be able to speak the limited amount of words they 
prevoiced.
 
- Original Message -
From: Troy Sullivan
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Siri is no longer human
 
To be honest I like Susan's voice better, bring her back Apple!
- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:44 PM
Subject: Siri is no longer human
 
Boy, I am really slow. I should have picked this up much earlier. Siri’s male 
and female voices are synthesized. Poor Susan what’s her name lost out to 
synthetic speech. No wonder Siri can read Wikipedia.
 
Neal
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Re: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

2013-10-10 Thread MamaPeach
I have just updated everything, the software and the application associated 
with the software and nothing. I can view all of my files, but I cannot play 
one single file.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol Pearson

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

Oh, that's sad because I want to use it on the phone.

Has anyone else upgraded and had problems, please, or can you say you can 
specifically use it with the phone?


Thanks for any further comments.




carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 10 Oct 2013, at 05:39 AM, Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com wrote:

I have updated Tonido on both my iPhone and iPad Mini.   It is true that 
Tonido does not appear to work on the iPhone.  When you tap the actions 
button, nothing appears.  On the iPad Mini, the actions screen does appear.




Sent from my iPad Mini


On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:13 PM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

I would suggest not updating it. I have it on a device running 6.13 and 
have not updated it and it works fine, but the one I have updated on my 
IOS 7.0 device does not work with VoiceOver.


-Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:14 AM
To: VI Phone Users
Subject: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

Has anyone used the Tonido app forIOS seven yet? I would be interested to 
know how you find it.


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Re: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

2013-10-10 Thread MamaPeach
I have been posting my concerns on their Facebook page. I copied and pasted 
what you said there as well. I am sure they have no clue what VoiceOver is 
and what I am talking about, but there is something that has changed with it 
for sure and now all I can do on my iPod is see my files.


-Original Message- 
From: Wil James

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

I have updated Tonido on both my iPhone and iPad Mini.   It is true that 
Tonido does not appear to work on the iPhone.  When you tap the actions 
button, nothing appears.  On the iPad Mini, the actions screen does appear.




Sent from my iPad Mini


On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:13 PM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

I would suggest not updating it. I have it on a device running 6.13 and 
have not updated it and it works fine, but the one I have updated on my 
IOS 7.0 device does not work with VoiceOver.


-Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:14 AM
To: VI Phone Users
Subject: New Designed Tonido app for Tonido

Has anyone used the Tonido app forIOS seven yet? I would be interested to 
know how you find it.


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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Lea Langley
Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is something 
that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy a phone. The 
next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone. This is all okay you 
can do that. But you still will be paying for your first phone until it is paid 
off, even though you have upgraded to another phone. So now you are paying for 
two phones. If you upgrade again the third year you then would be paying for a 
third phone and so on. ATT does not tell you this and neither does any other 
Telephone Company. I wanted to share it with you. Because I talked directly to 
ATT about it and they told me that my brother who told me about the situation 
was right this is exactly what happens so if you decide to switch to another 
company and you haven't paid off all of the phones. You are still liable for 
them. God bless, Wren PS. If this is not clear please write to me off list and 
I will try and explain it better.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Anita,
 
 I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably other
 providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you can be sure
 of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. What ATT and
 companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year old phones as used
 phones, especially with the iPhone the value will still be quite good, but
 If they offered the same monthly deal without charging for the iPhone while
 at the same time offering you a new phone each year, they would soon have no
 customers who would spend $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For people
 who like to have the latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra might
 be worth it.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Gadget Girl
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
 To: V Iphone Email List
 Subject: ATT and the Next program
 
 Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an
 iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the days
 of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12 months.
 I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without
 penalty.
 
 Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not own
 your phone?
 
 Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
 Regards,
 Anita 
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite,
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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Gadget Girl
Thank you.

Regards,
Anita 
also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
Express yourself!

On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is 
 something that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy a 
 phone. The next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone. This is 
 all okay you can do that. But you still will be paying for your first phone 
 until it is paid off, even though you have upgraded to another phone. So now 
 you are paying for two phones. If you upgrade again the third year you then 
 would be paying for a third phone and so on. ATT does not tell you this and 
 neither does any other Telephone Company. I wanted to share it with you. 
 Because I talked directly to ATT about it and they told me that my brother 
 who told me about the situation was right this is exactly what happens so if 
 you decide to switch to another company and you haven't paid off all of the 
 phones. You are still liable for them. God bless, Wren PS. If this is not 
 clear please write to me off list and I will try and explain it better.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Anita,
 
 I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably other
 providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you can be sure
 of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. What ATT and
 companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year old phones as used
 phones, especially with the iPhone the value will still be quite good, but
 If they offered the same monthly deal without charging for the iPhone while
 at the same time offering you a new phone each year, they would soon have no
 customers who would spend $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For people
 who like to have the latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra might
 be worth it.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Gadget Girl
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
 To: V Iphone Email List
 Subject: ATT and the Next program
 
 Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an
 iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the days
 of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12 months.
 I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without
 penalty.
 
 Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not own
 your phone?
 
 Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Re: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

When you turn it on, you'll be prompted to subscribe. Follow the directions, 
and you should be all set.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Liz and Sammie elizabethulr...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

 My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am considering
 subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right now,
 but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?  
 
 Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie
 
 Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator
 
 HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1
 
 
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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Wayne Merritt
Here is an article from Kim Komando on this topic. ATT is not alone;
Verizon and Sprint have similar early upgrade plans.
http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=14938

Regards,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/10/13, Gadget Girl geek.gadgetg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you.

 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite,
 Express yourself!

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is
 something that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy
 a phone. The next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone.
 This is all okay you can do that. But you still will be paying for your
 first phone until it is paid off, even though you have upgraded to another
 phone. So now you are paying for two phones. If you upgrade again the
 third year you then would be paying for a third phone and so on. ATT does
 not tell you this and neither does any other Telephone Company. I wanted
 to share it with you. Because I talked directly to ATT about it and they
 told me that my brother who told me about the situation was right this is
 exactly what happens so if you decide to switch to another company and you
 haven't paid off all of the phones. You are still liable for them. God
 bless, Wren PS. If this is not clear please write to me off list and I
 will try and explain it better.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Anita,

 I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably
 other
 providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you can be
 sure
 of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. What ATT and
 companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year old phones as used
 phones, especially with the iPhone the value will still be quite good,
 but
 If they offered the same monthly deal without charging for the iPhone
 while
 at the same time offering you a new phone each year, they would soon have
 no
 customers who would spend $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For
 people
 who like to have the latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra
 might
 be worth it.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Gadget Girl
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
 To: V Iphone Email List
 Subject: ATT and the Next program

 Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an
 iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the
 days
 of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12
 months.
 I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without
 penalty.

 Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not
 own
 your phone?

 Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a
 bite,
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Re: handwriting help

2013-10-10 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

As with general help, VoiceOVer tells you what gestures you are making and what 
they will do. To write letters and have VoiceOVer tell you what they are, open 
a note or some other app where you can enter text and try drawing letters with 
your finger. After you draw a letter and lift your finger, VoiceOVer tells you 
what you wrote.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 10, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK.  I am now in Accessibility.
 I have just double tapped VoiceOver On, followed by the same for VoiceOver
 Practice.
 The toggle switch is set to Handwriting help' in other words, if I touch
 that toggle it says, general help and I am not double tapping it.
 Now, when I touch the screen VO says,
 Touch, draw letters and numbers on the screen to input text...
 
 I thought that this was a place where I could practie my handwriting on the
 screen. Is my expectation wrong? Doesn't seem like much help!
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: handwriting help
 
 Hi Sandy,
 
 You don't need to have the rotor on handwriting to get handwriting help. You
 do need to have selected it so that it can appear on the rotor, but you can
 have the rotor set to anything you like when you go to VoiceOVer settings
 and double-tap the VoiceOver Practice button.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Anna, There is something that is still confusing me about what you say.
 At what point in this process do I select handwriting on the rotor? 
 Right now I am on the home screen. If I select handwriting on the 
 rotor from there, I cannot go into settings; the entire screen is 
 devoted to and writing.  Yet, if I go into Voiceover Practice, 
 Handwriting is not s setting on my rotor because the rotor is so 
 context sensitive. I'm missing something. Thanks for your patience.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:35 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: handwriting help
 
 Hi,
 
 From the voiceOver settings screen, choose Practice Gestures. If the 
 button in the top left corner says Handwriting Help, double-tap it. 
 Now, as you make gestures on the screen, VoiceOver will tell you what 
 they do when you set the rotor to Handwriting.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 says,
 
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi.  I am trying to activate Handwriting Help that is under VoiceOver 
 in
 Accessibility ; I see the toggle between Handwriting Hebb_lp and 
 General HELP but I see no difference in the screen. I have 
 Handwriting activated on the rotor.What am I doing wrong? Thanks.'
 
 
 
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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Crystal French
Good to know, Lea.
I opted to pay for the 5s 64 gb iphone that I got.

Yes, I am back to a two year contract, but the plan I am on has worked well for 
me, and I don’t need to get a new iPhone every time one comes out.

Now, when I went to pay for the new iPhone I asked if I could do a split 
transaction.

The answer was “No.’” 

It was okay with me, but their reason was because the card would not be charged 
until the iPhone was shipped.

And, then the iPhone was shipped in 24 hours.  I got it yesterday.

I guess the cash in hand isn’t worth the card in the bush.

shrug

Crystal 

From: Lea Langley 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Cc: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: ATT and the Next program

Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is something 
that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy a phone. The 
next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone. This is all okay you 
can do that. But you still will be paying for your first phone until it is paid 
off, even though you have upgraded to another phone. So now you are paying for 
two phones. If you upgrade again the third year you then would be paying for a 
third phone and so on. ATT does not tell you this and neither does any other 
Telephone Company. I wanted to share it with you. Because I talked directly to 
ATT about it and they told me that my brother who told me about the situation 
was right this is exactly what happens so if you decide to switch to another 
company and you haven't paid off all of the phones. You are still liable for 
them. God bless, Wren PS. If this is not clear please write to me off list and 
I will try and explain it better.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Anita,
 
 I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably other
 providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you can be sure
 of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. What ATT and
 companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year old phones as used
 phones, especially with the iPhone the value will still be quite good, but
 If they offered the same monthly deal without charging for the iPhone while
 at the same time offering you a new phone each year, they would soon have no
 customers who would spend $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For people
 who like to have the latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra might
 be worth it.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Gadget Girl
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
 To: V Iphone Email List
 Subject: ATT and the Next program
 
 Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an
 iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the days
 of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12 months.
 I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without
 penalty.
 
 Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not own
 your phone?
 
 Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
 Regards,
 Anita 
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite,
 Express yourself!
 
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Re: Need Help With Iphone5S...

2013-10-10 Thread Alan Paganelli
Have you tried a reset of your iPhone?  Hold the home key and the power 
button down for 10 seconds and then let go.  Note: if you had voice-over 
turned on before performing the reset, your iPhone will come up talking. 
Then try updating your apps again and let us know the results.

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the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com

To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Need Help With Iphone5S...



Hi Everyone:

I need some help.
Today, I ppicked up my Iphone 5S.
Before going to the ATT store, I made sure to back up my Iphone4S
both to ICloud and to the computer using Itunes.
At the ATT store, because of time constraints, they told me to just
go home and plug my Iphone5S into the computer and hit restore from
backup.
I did this, and my apps are on my new Iphone5S.
However, here is the problem.
The problem is the app store keeps telling me I have 84 app updates
available. However, when I try to hit the update button, it is dimmed.
Basically, from what I can tell I have 84 app updates available and
all of them are stuck on 0 percent downloaded and when I try to hit
the update apps button it is dimmed.
Can someone please help? I want to get these apps updated.
I even thought I could  update them through Itunes but I don't see an
update apps button anywhere in Itunes.
Help!!
Did I do something wrong when I hit the restore from backup button?
Is there any way to get these apps updated?
Am I going to have to reinstall all nine pages of apps?
Thanks!
Kerri

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Re: Need Help With Iphone5S...

2013-10-10 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Since the phone is still responding, why wouldn't you just power it off 
and power it back on again instead of doing a reset? In my mind, a 
forced reset is just for those instances where the touch screen or the 
phone itself is not responding. To power off the phone, just hold the 
lock button for about 5 seconds and then double tap the screen when the 
message comes up saying slide to power off. Give it about 30 seconds and 
then power it up by holding the lock button for about 10 seconds.


I'm not sure this will address the original issue, but I see people 
recommending a forced reset when I think a power off/on would work and 
may be a bit safer.


On 10/10/2013 10:10 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Have you tried a reset of your iPhone?  Hold the home key and the power
button down for 10 seconds and then let go.  Note: if you had voice-over
turned on before performing the reset, your iPhone will come up talking.
Then try updating your apps again and let us know the results.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Need Help With Iphone5S...



Hi Everyone:

I need some help.
Today, I ppicked up my Iphone 5S.
Before going to the ATT store, I made sure to back up my Iphone4S
both to ICloud and to the computer using Itunes.
At the ATT store, because of time constraints, they told me to just
go home and plug my Iphone5S into the computer and hit restore from
backup.
I did this, and my apps are on my new Iphone5S.
However, here is the problem.
The problem is the app store keeps telling me I have 84 app updates
available. However, when I try to hit the update button, it is dimmed.
Basically, from what I can tell I have 84 app updates available and
all of them are stuck on 0 percent downloaded and when I try to hit
the update apps button it is dimmed.
Can someone please help? I want to get these apps updated.
I even thought I could  update them through Itunes but I don't see an
update apps button anywhere in Itunes.
Help!!
Did I do something wrong when I hit the restore from backup button?
Is there any way to get these apps updated?
Am I going to have to reinstall all nine pages of apps?
Thanks!
Kerri

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hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson
I wondered if anybody knows how to find out the place to look on a dvd 
for the Season of a tv show.
I just bought Murder She Wrote and can't figure out for sure which dvd 
box is which season.  All I can get Tap Tap See or Cam Find to say is 
the name of the show, and not which season I'm looking at.
I kind of wanted to watch from the very beginning not that it really 
matters I guess but that was my thought; sxo I just wondered how to 
figure this out if I could.
I had to laugh, the first time I tried it and took a picture, the answer 
was blonde woman in white bakckground.  Well at least now I know that 
Angela Lansbury is a blonde!


Patti


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RE: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
What about a scan of the barcode?

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 On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:40 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: hi, a tap tap see question
 
 I wondered if anybody knows how to find out the place to look on a dvd for
 the Season of a tv show.
 I just bought Murder She Wrote and can't figure out for sure which dvd box
 is which season.  All I can get Tap Tap See or Cam Find to say is the name
of
 the show, and not which season I'm looking at.
 I kind of wanted to watch from the very beginning not that it really
matters I
 guess but that was my thought; sxo I just wondered how to figure this out
if
 I could.
 I had to laugh, the first time I tried it and took a picture, the answer
was
 blonde woman in white bakckground.  Well at least now I know that
 Angela Lansbury is a blonde!
 
 Patti
 
 
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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson

THat is what I was trying to do but I can't figure out where that is.
Patti
On 10/10/2013 11:43 AM, Thom Spittle wrote:

What about a scan of the barcode?


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On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: hi, a tap tap see question

I wondered if anybody knows how to find out the place to look on a dvd for
the Season of a tv show.
I just bought Murder She Wrote and can't figure out for sure which dvd box
is which season.  All I can get Tap Tap See or Cam Find to say is the name

of

the show, and not which season I'm looking at.
I kind of wanted to watch from the very beginning not that it really

matters I

guess but that was my thought; sxo I just wondered how to figure this out

if

I could.
I had to laugh, the first time I tried it and took a picture, the answer

was

blonde woman in white bakckground.  Well at least now I know that
Angela Lansbury is a blonde!

Patti


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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
You would probably have to scan the dvd again or turn the dvd over.

On 10/10/13, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wondered if anybody knows how to find out the place to look on a dvd
 for the Season of a tv show.
 I just bought Murder She Wrote and can't figure out for sure which dvd
 box is which season.  All I can get Tap Tap See or Cam Find to say is
 the name of the show, and not which season I'm looking at.
 I kind of wanted to watch from the very beginning not that it really
 matters I guess but that was my thought; sxo I just wondered how to
 figure this out if I could.
 I had to laugh, the first time I tried it and took a picture, the answer
 was blonde woman in white bakckground.  Well at least now I know that
 Angela Lansbury is a blonde!

 Patti


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my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread Melissa Tucker
I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is worse I 
do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I search for 
messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I have it set to 
manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that when I choose emails 
to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the app refuses to do what I 
ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message stating that the emails cannot be 
moved to the specific folder.  I'm interested in cleaning my mailbox, and not 
twiddling my thumbs and waisting time trying to do some the ** program 
isn't going to do.  Apple has two choices.  the first one makes more since but 
due to their email client reputation, it isn't going to happen.  fix the 
problem.  If they don't fix it, I will be forced to find another portable way 
to check email and clean my box out, which is almost as big of a pain in the 
** as dealing with the current apple email client.  I wish I had a way to 
rate the  app on the app store.  Of course, they don't want to hear or see 
something that they obviously know isn't working.  If i only used one app, the 
mail app on my phone and had about 15gb of space available for the dufus mail 
program to dance, I'd mostly get the same response.  I have currently 3.2 gb 
available and the app still does the same stuff.  I'm really attempting to be 
nice about this, my ipad did this too with ios 6, and the i-devices are the 
only devices I have to use to attempt to get the job done.  I don't have time 
to set at a cooperating desktop or laptop and (babysit) the emails.  att is my 
email service, and in ios7 they have chosen to make their yahoo mail app less 
accessible than before.  That is a terrific way for them to continue to keep 
customers.  if anyone has another email client for ios7 that might work, let me 
know.  Rebooting the phone or closing the ap in the app switcher doesn't help 
the problem either.  Just another waisting of time and another babysitting job 
that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that actually works and does 
what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and emailganizer, but I don't care about 
the format they use.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I can't get an 
upgrade to the 5s due to funds right now, and that may be another dufus waist 
of time.

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RE: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Patty,

If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could try
Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if you had Prizmo
you could try that, too.

However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with real
eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a TTS is
always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call a friend or
relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use Facetime to show the box to
somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.

As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in many
ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the occasional human
interaction, at least I hope not.


Regards,
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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
You can also use  digit eyes

On 10/10/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Patty,

 If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could try
 Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if you had
 Prizmo
 you could try that, too.

 However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with real
 eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a TTS is
 always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call a friend or
 relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use Facetime to show the box
 to
 somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.

 As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in many
 ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the occasional
 human
 interaction, at least I hope not.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I don't have nearly as much trouble with the Apple email client as you 
do. I'd suggest the Gmail app, but it doesn't sound like you're willing 
to entertain switching mail providers.


On 10/10/2013 10:47 AM, Melissa Tucker wrote:

I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is worse I 
do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I search for 
messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I have it set to 
manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that when I choose emails 
to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the app refuses to do what I 
ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message stating that the emails cannot be 
moved to the specific folder.  I'm interested in cleaning my mailbox, and not 
twiddling my thumbs and waisting time trying to do some the ** program 
isn't going to do.  Apple has two choices.  the first one makes more since but 
due to their email client reputation, it isn't going to happen.  fix the 
problem.  If they don't fix it, I will be forced to find another portable way 
to check email and clean my box out, which is almost as big of a pain in the 
** as dealing with the current apple email client.  I wish I ha

d a way to rate the  app on the app store.  Of course, they don't want to hear or 
see something that they obviously know isn't working.  If i only used one app, the 
mail app on my phone and had about 15gb of space available for the dufus mail 
program to dance, I'd mostly get the same response.  I have currently 3.2 gb 
available and the app still does the same stuff.  I'm really attempting to be nice 
about this, my ipad did this too with ios 6, and the i-devices are the only devices 
I have to use to attempt to get the job done.  I don't have time to set at a 
cooperating desktop or laptop and (babysit) the emails.  att is my email 
service, and in ios7 they have chosen to make their yahoo mail app less accessible 
than before.  That is a terrific way for them to continue to keep customers.  if 
anyone has another email client for ios7 that might work, let me know.  Rebooting 
the phone or closing the ap in the app switcher doesn't help the problem either.  
Just another waisting of time and
another babysitting job that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that 
actually works and does what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and emailganizer, 
but I don't care about the format they use.  Any suggestions would be 
appreciated.  I can't get an upgrade to the 5s due to funds right now, and that 
may be another dufus waist of time.




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Re: VO sounds

2013-10-10 Thread Traci Duncan
:) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such 
different tastes  needs.

Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking 
forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was 
muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts.  I love not 
having the clicks and sounds of VO.

I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.

Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb 
on.

For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
continue to miss from my old windows phone.

Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would be 
the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you could flick 
through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys remember this from 
windows phones?  There were something like 4 different profiles that modified 
the phones sound style.  It was something I used often back in the day.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature.  I'm 
definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)

Traci
Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
 on home button to turn vo off.
 Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
 can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
 anoying, when its on speaker. :)
 
 On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
 button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
 meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
 to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
 off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
 quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
 may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
 but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
 the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
 mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
 but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
 around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.
 
 On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
 I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
 favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
 ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
 for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
 on before.
 
 For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
 of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
 the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
 than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
 but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
 speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
 ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
 as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
 total silence, turn the phone off.
 
 Brice
 
 On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,
 
 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
 as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
 that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.
 
 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
 press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
 with
 a
 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: VO sounds
 
 Hi shane,
 
 I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with
 my
 mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the
 sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could
 simply
 flip the mute switch.
 
 For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that
 actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are
 a
 whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the
 subject, I'd also wish I could 

Re: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread Melissa Tucker
not yet, but that might be an option to look iinto.

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't have nearly as much trouble with the Apple email client as you do. 
 I'd suggest the Gmail app, but it doesn't sound like you're willing to 
 entertain switching mail providers.
 
 On 10/10/2013 10:47 AM, Melissa Tucker wrote:
 I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is 
 worse I do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I 
 search for messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I have 
 it set to manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that when I 
 choose emails to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the app 
 refuses to do what I ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message stating 
 that the emails cannot be moved to the specific folder.  I'm interested in 
 cleaning my mailbox, and not twiddling my thumbs and waisting time trying to 
 do some the ** program isn't going to do.  Apple has two choices.  the 
 first one makes more since but due to their email client reputation, it 
 isn't going to happen.  fix the problem.  If they don't fix it, I will be 
 forced to find another portable way to check email and clean my box out, 
 which is almost as big of a pain in the ** as dealing with the current 
 apple email client.  I wish I ha
 d a way to rate the  app on the app store.  Of course, they don't want to 
 hear or see something that they obviously know isn't working.  If i only used 
 one app, the mail app on my phone and had about 15gb of space available for 
 the dufus mail program to dance, I'd mostly get the same response.  I have 
 currently 3.2 gb available and the app still does the same stuff.  I'm really 
 attempting to be nice about this, my ipad did this too with ios 6, and the 
 i-devices are the only devices I have to use to attempt to get the job done.  
 I don't have time to set at a cooperating desktop or laptop and (babysit) the 
 emails.  att is my email service, and in ios7 they have chosen to make their 
 yahoo mail app less accessible than before.  That is a terrific way for them 
 to continue to keep customers.  if anyone has another email client for ios7 
 that might work, let me know.  Rebooting the phone or closing the ap in the 
 app switcher doesn't help the problem either.  Just another waisting of time 
 and
 another babysitting job that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that 
 actually works and does what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and 
 emailganizer, but I don't care about the format they use.  Any suggestions 
 would be appreciated.  I can't get an upgrade to the 5s due to funds right 
 now, and that may be another dufus waist of time.
 
 -- 
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 chaltain at Gmail
 
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RE: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Melissa,

I know this won't help you and I am not saying this to upset you, but could
it be that something is not set up properly on your account with respect to
deleting/archiving/moving email? I have 3 accounts set up and I don't
experience any of the issues you seem to have. I actually think the mail app
in iOS 7 is really nice, it has some nice new features with respect to
hiding accounts, putting them in a certain order and adding views like
Unread or All Trash.
I also found that now I am not always kicked back to the top of all my
messages if I open let's say message 22 in my Inbox, once I tap Back or do
the scrub gesture focus is back on that message.
As for search, it works differently in iOS 7, but I actually think it's more
efficient the way it is now. I just type something in the search field and
it searches both the header and content for the word, Voiceover announces
how many results it finds as you type and it narrows down the results and
once I am done typing my search term I can then select to search only the
current mailbox if I still get too many results, by default it searches all
mailboxes, I think it's very powerful and simple.
I also like the fact Apple added the More option to the rotor which allows
you to quickly reply, forward or move a message. This is the first message I
have seen apart from a few where people asked why they only had Archive
instead of Trash which is something you have to change in Settings, Mail,
Contacts, Calendar and under Advanced in your mail account.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Melissa Tucker
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is
worse I do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I
search for messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I have
it set to manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that when I
choose emails to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the app
refuses to do what I ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message stating
that the emails cannot be moved to the specific folder.  I'm interested in
cleaning my mailbox, and not twiddling my thumbs and waisting time trying to
do some the ** program isn't going to do.  Apple has two choices.  the
first one makes more since but due to their email client reputation, it
isn't going to happen.  fix the problem.  If they don't fix it, I will be
forced to find another portable way to check email and clean my box out,
which is almost as big of a pain in the ** as dealing with the current
apple email client.  I wish I had a way to rate the  app on the app store.
Of course, they don't want to hear or see something that they obviously know
isn't working.  If i only used one app, the mail app on my phone and had
about 15gb of space available for the dufus mail program to dance, I'd
mostly get the same response.  I have currently 3.2 gb available and the app
still does the same stuff.  I'm really attempting to be nice about this, my
ipad did this too with ios 6, and the i-devices are the only devices I have
to use to attempt to get the job done.  I don't have time to set at a
cooperating desktop or laptop and (babysit) the emails.  att is my email
service, and in ios7 they have chosen to make their yahoo mail app less
accessible than before.  That is a terrific way for them to continue to keep
customers.  if anyone has another email client for ios7 that might work, let
me know.  Rebooting the phone or closing the ap in the app switcher doesn't
help the problem either.  Just another waisting of time and another
babysitting job that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that actually
works and does what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and emailganizer, but I
don't care about the format they use.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I can't get an upgrade to the 5s due to funds right now, and that may be
another dufus waist of time.

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Re: VO sounds

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
Yes profiles w

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have 
 such different tastes  needs.
 
 Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so 
 looking forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, 
 I was muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts.  I 
 love not having the clicks and sounds of VO.
 
 I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
 won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.
 
 Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not 
 disturb on.
 
 For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
 continue to miss from my old windows phone.
 
 Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would be 
 the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you could 
 flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys remember 
 this from windows phones?  There were something like 4 different profiles 
 that modified the phones sound style.  It was something I used often back in 
 the day.
 
 Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature.  
 I'm definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)
 
 Traci
 Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
 on home button to turn vo off.
 Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
 can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
 anoying, when its on speaker. :)
 
 On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
 button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
 meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
 to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
 off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
 quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
 may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
 but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
 the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
 mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
 but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
 around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.
 
 On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
 I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
 favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
 ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
 for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
 on before.
 
 For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
 of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
 the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
 than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
 but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
 speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
 ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
 as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
 total silence, turn the phone off.
 
 Brice
 
 On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,
 
 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
 as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
 that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.
 
 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
 press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
 with
 a
 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: VO sounds
 
 Hi shane,
 
 I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with
 my
 mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the
 sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could
 simply
 flip the mute switch.
 
 For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that
 actually to mean that things are 

Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson
I guess you're right,  but I've done this a bunch of times and today is 
the first time I got it to e ven read the show title.

Thanks,
Patti

On 10/10/2013 11:47 AM, Isaac Hebert wrote:

You would probably have to scan the dvd again or turn the dvd over.

On 10/10/13, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

I wondered if anybody knows how to find out the place to look on a dvd
for the Season of a tv show.
I just bought Murder She Wrote and can't figure out for sure which dvd
box is which season.  All I can get Tap Tap See or Cam Find to say is
the name of the show, and not which season I'm looking at.
I kind of wanted to watch from the very beginning not that it really
matters I guess but that was my thought; sxo I just wondered how to
figure this out if I could.
I had to laugh, the first time I tried it and took a picture, the answer
was blonde woman in white bakckground.  Well at least now I know that
Angela Lansbury is a blonde!

Patti


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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson
Thanks, Seighard.  I just wondered if I was missing a step, is why I 
asked.  You're more than likely right about this.

Patti

On 10/10/2013 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Patty,

If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could try
Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if you had Prizmo
you could try that, too.

However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with real
eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a TTS is
always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call a friend or
relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use Facetime to show the box to
somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.

As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in many
ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the occasional human
interaction, at least I hope not.


Regards,
Sieghard



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Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]

2013-10-10 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian 
phones from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would 
be a great feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but 
also other settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. 
Apple could even tie this to your current location.


On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:

:) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such 
different tastes  needs.

Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking 
forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was 
muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts.  I love not 
having the clicks and sounds of VO.

I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.

Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb 
on.

For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
continue to miss from my old windows phone.

Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would be 
the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you could flick 
through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys remember this from 
windows phones?  There were something like 4 different profiles that modified 
the phones sound style.  It was something I used often back in the day.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature.  I'm 
definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)

Traci
Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
on home button to turn vo off.
Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
anoying, when its on speaker. :)

On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.

On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:

I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
on before.

For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
total silence, turn the phone off.

Brice

On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Cara,

I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
as
was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
people
actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
that
one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
sounds.

As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
find
too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
press
power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
with
a
3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO sounds

Hi shane,

I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with
my
mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the
sounds off (even with sounds in the 

Re: Wow! That's fast!

2013-10-10 Thread Traci Duncan
Oy, Verizon must be one of the slowest. I'm getting bored waiting.  Beginning 
to wonder, how much do I really want the 5s?  :)  I don't think I do well with 
back orders.  I already struggle with expensive purchases.  Lol!  This just 
gives me time to second guess myself.

I ordered mine on Setp. 28, on VZW's website.  I'm expecting a ship date around 
Oct. 28.  I'm also recycling my 4s via VZW.

Traci
On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

 Ok! that's what I wanted to know.  It won't become active until I activate it.
 
 Thanks!
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move 
 out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:06 AM
 Subject: RE: Wow! That's fast!
 
 
 Alan,
 
 If you order a 5S either directly from ATT or from Apple indicating you
 want to renew your contract, your 5S will ship with a Nano SIM installed
 (it's yet again half the size of the Micro SIM in your iPhone 4. Once you
 get the 5S you activate it and this will automatically activate your
 existing phone number on the new 5S and your 4 at this point becomes an iPod
 Touch (sort of). You can then either keep your 4 or ask ATT to unlock it, I
 would then wipe it, take the SIM out and you can sell it as an unlocked
 iPhone 4 which somebody might buy who wants an iPhone and use it with a
 prepaid SIM or maybe on Straight Talk or another MVNO.
 
 I just ordered a Nano SIM only from my MVNO here in Canada, Koodo since I am
 buying my iPhone unlocked and without contract from Apple. When I upgraded
 from a 4 to the 4S all I had to do is take the SIM out of my 4 and put it in
 the 4S, but since the 5 and 5S use the Nano SIM that is not possible or at
 least not without a lot of trouble. Of course the Nano SIM I ordered is
 already associated with my account and phone number, so as soon as I put it
 in my 5S and activate it it will work on my existing phone number. It's very
 easy and straight forward.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Wow! That's fast!
 
 Ok, I guess then I'm not understanding but sense I'm with ATT as well maybe
 you can answer my question.  I have an iPhone 4.  My 2 year agreement was up
 last May.  I'm already 5 months past that and have been thinking about
 buying the 5s.  So assuming I stick with ATT, how would that work then? My
 present phone would stay active until ATT got my money etc.  You can't have
 2 phones active at the same time both with the same provider and both with
 the same phone number.  So at some point the old phone would have to be
 deactivated wouldn't it?  So would the new phone arrive already with the
 same phone number?
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: Wow! That's fast!
 
 
 Hi,
 If you have an existing account with a carrier and you're getting your
 device to work on that same carrier your account related details including
 phone number should remain the same.
 In the case of ATT my new 5s shipped with the sim card already installed.
 There was no reason to retain the old one or swap it out.  I hope that
 helps.
 Robin
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:01 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Wow! That's fast!
 
 I've been thinking of doing the same thing but I do have a question first.
 Can you retain your existing phone number or are you required to get a new
 phone number.
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, 

Re: Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
A out and about  profile would be nice.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian phones 
 from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would be a great 
 feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but also other 
 settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. Apple could even 
 tie this to your current location.
 
 On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:
 :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have 
 such different tastes  needs.
 
 Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so 
 looking forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my 
 phone, I was muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss 
 alerts.  I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO.
 
 I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
 won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.
 
 Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not 
 disturb on.
 
 For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
 continue to miss from my old windows phone.
 
 Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would 
 be the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you could 
 flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys remember 
 this from windows phones?  There were something like 4 different profiles 
 that modified the phones sound style.  It was something I used often back in 
 the day.
 
 Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature.  
 I'm definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)
 
 Traci
 Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
 on home button to turn vo off.
 Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
 can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
 anoying, when its on speaker. :)
 
 On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
 button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
 meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
 to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
 off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
 quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
 may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
 but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
 the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
 mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
 but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
 around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.
 
 On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
 I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
 favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
 ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
 for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
 on before.
 
 For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
 of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
 the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
 than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
 but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
 speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
 ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
 as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
 total silence, turn the phone off.
 
 Brice
 
 On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,
 
 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
 as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
 that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.
 
 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
 press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
 with
 a
 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
 To: 

Re: Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]

2013-10-10 Thread Traci Duncan
I forgot that there was an option to customize your own profile.

Hmmm, maybe we should stop this topic?  It isn't really iDevice related 
anymore.  ;)

Traci
On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 A out and about  profile would be nice.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian phones 
 from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would be a great 
 feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but also other 
 settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. Apple could even 
 tie this to your current location.
 
 On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:
 :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have 
 such different tastes  needs.
 
 Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so 
 looking forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my 
 phone, I was muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss 
 alerts.  I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO.
 
 I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
 won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.
 
 Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not 
 disturb on.
 
 For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
 continue to miss from my old windows phone.
 
 Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would 
 be the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you 
 could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys 
 remember this from windows phones?  There were something like 4 different 
 profiles that modified the phones sound style.  It was something I used 
 often back in the day.
 
 Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature.  
 I'm definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)
 
 Traci
 Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
 on home button to turn vo off.
 Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
 can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
 anoying, when its on speaker. :)
 
 On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
 button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
 meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
 to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
 off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
 quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
 may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
 but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
 the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
 mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
 but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
 around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.
 
 On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
 I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
 favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
 ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
 for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
 on before.
 
 For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
 of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
 the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
 than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
 but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
 speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
 ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
 as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
 total silence, turn the phone off.
 
 Brice
 
 On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,
 
 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
 as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
 that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.
 
 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
 press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
 with
 a
 3-finger double 

RE: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
Patty,
I looked on Netflix, and the first episode of season 1 was called The
Murder of Sherlock Holmes. 
It starts where Angela is talking to someone and says, Before you ask, I'm
Cinderella's godmother. 

I hope this will help

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:14 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question
 
 Thanks, Seighard.  I just wondered if I was missing a step, is why I
 asked.  You're more than likely right about this.
 Patti
 
 On 10/10/2013 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  Hi Patty,
 
  If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could try
  Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if you had
Prizmo
  you could try that, too.
 
  However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with
real
  eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a TTS is
  always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call a friend or
  relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use Facetime to show the
 box to
  somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.
 
  As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in
 many
  ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the occasional
human
  interaction, at least I hope not.
 
 
  Regards,
  Sieghard
 
 
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Re: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I must concur in that I find the app works quite well. I am not having
any of the problems you are with. I don't have any suggestions as to
how to make it better for you though.

On 10/10/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Melissa,

 I know this won't help you and I am not saying this to upset you, but could
 it be that something is not set up properly on your account with respect to
 deleting/archiving/moving email? I have 3 accounts set up and I don't
 experience any of the issues you seem to have. I actually think the mail
 app
 in iOS 7 is really nice, it has some nice new features with respect to
 hiding accounts, putting them in a certain order and adding views like
 Unread or All Trash.
 I also found that now I am not always kicked back to the top of all my
 messages if I open let's say message 22 in my Inbox, once I tap Back or do
 the scrub gesture focus is back on that message.
 As for search, it works differently in iOS 7, but I actually think it's
 more
 efficient the way it is now. I just type something in the search field and
 it searches both the header and content for the word, Voiceover announces
 how many results it finds as you type and it narrows down the results and
 once I am done typing my search term I can then select to search only the
 current mailbox if I still get too many results, by default it searches all
 mailboxes, I think it's very powerful and simple.
 I also like the fact Apple added the More option to the rotor which
 allows
 you to quickly reply, forward or move a message. This is the first message
 I
 have seen apart from a few where people asked why they only had Archive
 instead of Trash which is something you have to change in Settings, Mail,
 Contacts, Calendar and under Advanced in your mail account.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Melissa Tucker
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:48 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

 I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is
 worse I do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I
 search for messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I
 have
 it set to manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that when I
 choose emails to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the app
 refuses to do what I ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message stating
 that the emails cannot be moved to the specific folder.  I'm interested in
 cleaning my mailbox, and not twiddling my thumbs and waisting time trying
 to
 do some the ** program isn't going to do.  Apple has two choices.  the
 first one makes more since but due to their email client reputation, it
 isn't going to happen.  fix the problem.  If they don't fix it, I will be
 forced to find another portable way to check email and clean my box out,
 which is almost as big of a pain in the ** as dealing with the current
 apple email client.  I wish I had a way to rate the  app on the app store.
 Of course, they don't want to hear or see something that they obviously
 know
 isn't working.  If i only used one app, the mail app on my phone and had
 about 15gb of space available for the dufus mail program to dance, I'd
 mostly get the same response.  I have currently 3.2 gb available and the
 app
 still does the same stuff.  I'm really attempting to be nice about this, my
 ipad did this too with ios 6, and the i-devices are the only devices I have
 to use to attempt to get the job done.  I don't have time to set at a
 cooperating desktop or laptop and (babysit) the emails.  att is my email
 service, and in ios7 they have chosen to make their yahoo mail app less
 accessible than before.  That is a terrific way for them to continue to
 keep
 customers.  if anyone has another email client for ios7 that might work,
 let
 me know.  Rebooting the phone or closing the ap in the app switcher doesn't
 help the problem either.  Just another waisting of time and another
 babysitting job that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that
 actually
 works and does what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and emailganizer, but
 I
 don't care about the format they use.  Any suggestions would be
 appreciated.
 I can't get an upgrade to the 5s due to funds right now, and that may be
 another dufus waist of time.

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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson
Hi.  Well I knew that should be wright, but the second dvd I saw that I 
got out of the box was one that had ads on it, but it didn't start with 
that show. and the last one in the back wasn't it either.

So I think I know what to do.
Thanks,
Patti

On 10/10/2013 12:26 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:

Patty,
I looked on Netflix, and the first episode of season 1 was called The
Murder of Sherlock Holmes.
It starts where Angela is talking to someone and says, Before you ask, I'm
Cinderella's godmother.

I hope this will help


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question

Thanks, Seighard.  I just wondered if I was missing a step, is why I
asked.  You're more than likely right about this.
Patti

On 10/10/2013 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Patty,

If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could try
Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if you had

Prizmo

you could try that, too.

However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with

real

eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a TTS is
always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call a friend or
relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use Facetime to show the

box to

somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.

As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in

many

ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the occasional

human

interaction, at least I hope not.


Regards,
Sieghard


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RE: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
There was a pilot episode, but I'm not sure what that one was about

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:34 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question
 
 Hi.  Well I knew that should be wright, but the second dvd I saw that I
got
 out of the box was one that had ads on it, but it didn't start with that
show.
 and the last one in the back wasn't it either.
 So I think I know what to do.
 Thanks,
 Patti
 
 On 10/10/2013 12:26 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:
  Patty,
  I looked on Netflix, and the first episode of season 1 was called The
  Murder of Sherlock Holmes.
  It starts where Angela is talking to someone and says, Before you
  ask, I'm Cinderella's godmother.
 
  I hope this will help
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On
  Behalf Of Patti Johnson
  Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:14 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question
 
  Thanks, Seighard.  I just wondered if I was missing a step, is why I
  asked.  You're more than likely right about this.
  Patti
 
  On 10/10/2013 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  Hi Patty,
 
  If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could
  try Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if
  you had
  Prizmo
  you could try that, too.
 
  However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with
  real
  eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a
  TTS is always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call
  a friend or relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use
  Facetime to show the
  box to
  somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.
 
  As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in
  many
  ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the
  occasional
  human
  interaction, at least I hope not.
 
 
  Regards,
  Sieghard
 
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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Alan Paganelli
The cost is higher as you might guess to cover that cost of a new phone 
every year.  The price of the phone is sub devided into 20 payments 
according to ATT's web site.

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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: Gadget Girl geek.gadgetg...@gmail.com

To: V Iphone Email List viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: ATT and the Next program


Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an 
iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the days 
of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12 months. 
I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without 
penalty.


Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not own 
your phone?


Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,
Anita
also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
Express yourself!


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Re: hi, a tap tap see question

2013-10-10 Thread Patti Johnson

The pilot Episode was the Murder of Sherlock Holmes, it was two hours.
That is one of my fa vorites.
Thanks,
Patti

On 10/10/2013 12:38 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:

There was a pilot episode, but I'm not sure what that one was about


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question

Hi.  Well I knew that should be wright, but the second dvd I saw that I

got

out of the box was one that had ads on it, but it didn't start with that

show.

and the last one in the back wasn't it either.
So I think I know what to do.
Thanks,
Patti

On 10/10/2013 12:26 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:

Patty,
I looked on Netflix, and the first episode of season 1 was called The
Murder of Sherlock Holmes.
It starts where Angela is talking to someone and says, Before you
ask, I'm Cinderella's godmother.

I hope this will help


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]

On

Behalf Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi, a tap tap see question

Thanks, Seighard.  I just wondered if I was missing a step, is why I
asked.  You're more than likely right about this.
Patti

On 10/10/2013 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Patty,

If Tap Tap See or Camfind don't give you the information you could
try Talking Goggles and see if you can get it via OCR, I guess if
you had

Prizmo

you could try that, too.

However, in a case like that I think using the help of somebody with

real

eyeballs and human speech rather than something with a lens and a
TTS is always the easiest. If nobody is there you could always call
a friend or relative who uses Skype or has an iPhone and use
Facetime to show the

box to

somebody in a video call, then once identified mark it for future use.

As awesome as the iPhone is and as much independence as it offers in

many

ways, it still is not and never will be replacement for the
occasional

human

interaction, at least I hope not.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Re: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Just curious what is the cost for this service in the U.S. and what do
you get for subscribing to it?

On 10/10/13, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 Hi,

 When you turn it on, you'll be prompted to subscribe. Follow the directions,
 and you should be all set.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Liz and Sammie
 elizabethulr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am
 considering
 subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right
 now,
 but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?

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Re: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Matthew Dyer
Hi Chris,

The card info is like you said. iTunes Match renews automatically  every year. 
If you don't want to renew after a year you can cancel it before it expires.

HTH.



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On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:34 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning all.
 In preparation for iTunes Radio coming to the UK by early 2014, I have 
 subscribed to iTunes Match to get an ad free experience. My question is this.
 When I signed up, I was asked to edit my payment details, since I had it set 
 to none. All was well and I was successfully subscribed.
 I checked my e-mails this morning, and I got the receipt, but the 
 subscription came out of my store credit. This is slick, but why did Apple 
 need a valid credit card on file in the first place? Is this for automatic 
 renewals or something?
 Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Syncing within Bard

2013-10-10 Thread Shane clark
Hello,
Is it possible to sync let's say from your iPhone to your iPad books within 
Bard?
Thanks. 

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RE: Syncing within Bard

2013-10-10 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
I asked that of NLS several weeks ago, and they replied they hoped it would be 
available in a future update.

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Hello,
Is it possible to sync let's say from your iPhone to your iPad books within 
Bard?
Thanks. 

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Re: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
It's 24.99 every year.

Sent from my iPhone

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 wrote:
 
 Just curious what is the cost for this service in the U.S. and what do
 you get for subscribing to it?
 
 On 10/10/13, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 Hi,
 
 When you turn it on, you'll be prompted to subscribe. Follow the directions,
 and you should be all set.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Liz and Sammie
 elizabethulr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am
 considering
 subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right
 now,
 but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?
 
 Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie
 
 Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator
 
 HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1
 
 
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OCR

2013-10-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I was wondering if anyone has played with OCR using the 5s. I tried 3 apps.
With Perfect OCR my phone just crashed.
Tith Text Detective I double tapped Start but the phone never took a picture.
With Prismo my results were okay but I am not sure where the phone
needs to be in  relation to the page. I placed the phone at the left
edge about half way up the page. Depending on the height my results
differed. I wasn't sure what the vibrating was for before I took the
picture either. Any advice or comments would be welcome.

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time changes

2013-10-10 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
I'll be headed to Britain shortly.  Will I have to manually change the clock or 
will the phone
handle that on its own?  I assume the device supports NITZ?


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Re: time changes

2013-10-10 Thread Joseph Hudson
Hello Ray, the phone will automatically change the time when you turn it on.

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Re: time changes

2013-10-10 Thread Isaac Hebert
It sure change automatically.

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Motorola h19txt not turning off reliably:

2013-10-10 Thread Don Breda
Wondering if anyone else using this earpiece has trouble getting it to
turn off?

I love this earpiece but it seems to be a struggle to get it to turn off.
I suspect it is just a problematic unit and getting it replaced will
solve the problem.

Does anyone else have this issue?

How long after you flip the microphone to the off position do you need
to wait until it turns off?

Does it turn off every time for you or do you have to do this several
times before it works?

Is this just a problem with my unit?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: creating a tonido account for the first time

2013-10-10 Thread Chad Davidson
Did you ever get an answer on this?  I'm having the same issue.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:44:38 PM UTC-6, melissa...@att.net wrote:

 while using my desktop, I was having problems getting my first account set 
 up for tonido,  could someone please send me the dirrect link to set up an 
 account?

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RE: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Kliphton
But you are paying the upgrade price, not full retail.  So by the time that
year is up, and the new phone is out, that phone is paid off.  And the
activation is waved, something that doesn't happen if you just pay the
upgrade price.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lea Langley
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ATT and the Next program

Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is
something that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy a
phone. The next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone. This
is all okay you can do that. But you still will be paying for your first
phone until it is paid off, even though you have upgraded to another phone.
So now you are paying for two phones. If you upgrade again the third year
you then would be paying for a third phone and so on. ATT does not tell you
this and neither does any other Telephone Company. I wanted to share it with
you. Because I talked directly to ATT about it and they told me that my
brother who told me about the situation was right this is exactly what
happens so if you decide to switch to another company and you haven't paid
off all of the phones. You are still liable for them. God bless, Wren PS. If
this is not clear please write to me off list and I will try and explain it
better.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Anita,
 
 I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably 
 other providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you 
 can be sure of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. 
 What ATT and companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year 
 old phones as used phones, especially with the iPhone the value will 
 still be quite good, but If they offered the same monthly deal without 
 charging for the iPhone while at the same time offering you a new 
 phone each year, they would soon have no customers who would spend 
 $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For people who like to have the 
 latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra might be worth it.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Gadget Girl
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
 To: V Iphone Email List
 Subject: ATT and the Next program
 
 Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get 
 an iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the
days
 of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12
months.
 I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without 
 penalty.
 
 Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not 
 own your phone?
 
 Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a 
 bite, Express yourself!
 
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Re: VO sounds

2013-10-10 Thread Arnold Schmidt
I vacillate between having sounds on and off.  I find that they help when 
trying to do things quickly, and perhaps my touching the screen is slightly 
more accurate with them on.  But it surely seems as if using my phone is a, 
shall I say, smoother experience with them off.  And there seems to be more 
of those noises in IOS 7 than in IOS 6.   Now, if I just could turn them off 
in the bard app, too.  That was a suggestion I made during the beta test. 
It may happen in the future.


Arnold Schmidt
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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: VO sounds


:) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have 
such different tastes  needs.


Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so 
looking forward to.  Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my 
phone, I was muting it.  The down side of this for me, I tended to miss 
alerts.  I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO.


I'm confused about something…  I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver 
won't read alerts and such on the lock screen.


Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not 
disturb on.


For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I 
continue to miss from my old windows phone.


Profiles!!!  Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!?  It would 
be the perfect item for the control center.  Imagine a ticker that you could 
flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc.  Do you guys remember 
this from windows phones?  There were something like 4 different profiles 
that modified the phones sound style.  It was something I used often back in 
the day.


Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. 
I'm definitely in the camp of loving it!  :)


Traci
Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s
On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also
3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click
on home button to turn vo off.
Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else
can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather
anoying, when its on speaker. :)

On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.

On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:

I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
on before.

For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
total silence, turn the phone off.

Brice

On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Cara,

I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute 
switch

as
was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
people
actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
that
one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
sounds.

As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
find
too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
press
power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
with
a
3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Cara Quinn

RE: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi John,

iTunes Match matches your music library to what Apple has and any songs
you have and which are found in iTunes you have access to from the cloud. If
you have music that is not found, e.g. maybe you have a CD from some small
local band which is not available from iTunes, then these songs are uploaded
to your iCloud, but they don't count against your 5 Gb free space. If you
have songs ripped at lower than 256 Kbps (iTunes Plus quality) you
automatically get the better quality iTunes songs. Basically all your music
is in the cloud and is available to youto stream or download to your device.
If you were travelling and maybe you are in a country where you won't have
access to data, then you would want to make sure you download the music you
want to your device. People who have a smaller iPhone like and 8 or 16 Gb
can have access to a large library without having to use up all the space on
their device. I believe there is a 25,000 song limit, though. As Isaac
already pointed out, in the US the service is $24.99 a year and now with
iTunes Radio this also gets you ad-free iTunes Radio service. I have never
subscribed to this yet because I have about 26 Gb of music and a 64 Gb
iPhone so for me it's not a big deal to have all my 4,000 or so songs on my
phone. Most of it I bought when I was younger, now given the vast offering
of free music online from sites like 181.fm and so on I rarely buy any music
any more and my library is almost not growing any more. I find audio books
much more entertaining than music so I rather spend my money on Audible.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes Match

Just curious what is the cost for this service in the U.S. and what do
you get for subscribing to it?

On 10/10/13, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 Hi,

 When you turn it on, you'll be prompted to subscribe. Follow the
directions,
 and you should be all set.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Liz and Sammie
 elizabethulr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am
 considering
 subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right
 now,
 but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?

 Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie

 Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

 HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1


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BRAILLE PEN12!!!

2013-10-10 Thread Anthony Vece
Hi Everyone;

I just purchased a Braille Pen12.

I had no problem pairing it with my iPhone 5.

However, when I turn off the Braille Pen12 and, go back and turn it back on, I 
have to pair it again.

I wonder if it's a bug in IOS7 or, is it something in the display.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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How do I wipe phone before returning it?

2013-10-10 Thread Sherrie

Since my iPhone 5 is having hardware issues (power button won’t work) I am 
returning it to Apple.  They are sending me a replacement phone and from what I 
understand I can do a complete backup to my computer and then attach the new 
phone and do a recover.
My question is how do I make sure that my personal information gets wiped from 
the phone I am returning?

Thanks for any advice.
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Two finger dubble tap problem.

2013-10-10 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Gang:

 

Since I've updated my iPhone 5 to IOS7, I am unable to stop audio streaming
with the two finger dubble tap.  Is this a know issue?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

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Re: my thoughts on the default email app for ios7

2013-10-10 Thread Eric Whitten
I use gmail with Apple mail all of the time and never had any issues.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Melissa Tucker melissatuck...@att.net wrote:

 not yet, but that might be an option to look iinto.
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't have nearly as much trouble with the Apple email client as you do. 
 I'd suggest the Gmail app, but it doesn't sound like you're willing to 
 entertain switching mail providers.
 
 On 10/10/2013 10:47 AM, Melissa Tucker wrote:
 I never thought that Apple Mail would get worse with iOS7 however it is 
 worse I do not like the display of Apple Mail I do not like the way when I 
 search for messages, the iphone looses focus and retrieves email when I 
 have it set to manually retrieve email.  I also  don't like the fact that 
 when I choose emails to either delete, or move to the archive folder, the 
 app refuses to do what I ask, and 9 times out of ten I get a message 
 stating that the emails cannot be moved to the specific folder.  I'm 
 interested in cleaning my mailbox, and not twiddling my thumbs and waisting 
 time trying to do some the ** program isn't going to do.  Apple has two 
 choices.  the first one makes more since but due to their email client 
 reputation, it isn't going to happen.  fix the problem.  If they don't fix 
 it, I will be forced to find another portable way to check email and clean 
 my box out, which is almost as big of a pain in the ** as dealing with 
 the current apple email client.  I wish I ha
 d a way to rate the  app on the app store.  Of course, they don't want to 
 hear or see something that they obviously know isn't working.  If i only 
 used one app, the mail app on my phone and had about 15gb of space available 
 for the dufus mail program to dance, I'd mostly get the same response.  I 
 have currently 3.2 gb available and the app still does the same stuff.  I'm 
 really attempting to be nice about this, my ipad did this too with ios 6, 
 and the i-devices are the only devices I have to use to attempt to get the 
 job done.  I don't have time to set at a cooperating desktop or laptop and 
 (babysit) the emails.  att is my email service, and in ios7 they have 
 chosen to make their yahoo mail app less accessible than before.  That is a 
 terrific way for them to continue to keep customers.  if anyone has another 
 email client for ios7 that might work, let me know.  Rebooting the phone or 
 closing the ap in the app switcher doesn't help the problem either.  Just 
 another waisting of time and
 another babysitting job that is useless.  i would gladly pay for a app that 
 actually works and does what I ask it to do.  I've used boxer and 
 emailganizer, but I don't care about the format they use.  Any suggestions 
 would be appreciated.  I can't get an upgrade to the 5s due to funds right 
 now, and that may be another dufus waist of time.
 
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Recording Skype calls

2013-10-10 Thread Marco Chan
Hi folks,

Can anyone tell me how to record Skype calls from computer and
iDevice? Thanks in advance.

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Passcode entry with handwriting

2013-10-10 Thread Harry Bell
I'm trying to learn to use voiceover but can't find out what to do after 
writing the last nber of my passcode. I use the rotor to turn on handwriting on 
the lock screen and my 5s recognises my numbers. A sighted person would then 
tap the OK button but I have no idea what gesture will activate ok on the pass 
code screen and google has not helped. Any ideas, folks?
Thanks
Harry

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Updating apps

2013-10-10 Thread simon wong
Hi there everybody when you had to update let's just say Facebook for example 
in your iPhone did you have to agree to a policy from Apple before continuing 
with the installation and is that good or bad because I have a couple of apps 
that need updating but I don't know if it's right to have agreed to this how 
policy

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Re: iOS7 Alarm Problem

2013-10-10 Thread Sally Abd el Wahab
Hi Guys,

I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I still can't get how I would completely turn 
off the alarm after snoozing it. So if I'm now on the lock screen where it has 
the count down of when the alarm would fire again, how do I just stop it 
completely without having to wait for it to fire again? I tried the double tap 
on the unlock part of the screen, but it doesn't work for me.

Thanks a lot in advance for any help.

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Re: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience been with it? More in the body of message.

2013-10-10 Thread Harry Bell
Apologies - my sighted partner sorted this as I didn't realised you have to 
pull bottom off the case first!

A Swinging Door in Open Moorland

On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:57, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:

 I have a new 5S and love how improved Siri is. One problem: I squeezed it 
 into a mophie juice pack plus designed for iphone 5 and now the power button 
 only let's me put phone to sleep and even that is a struggle. And I cannot 
 get my 5S back out of the case! Any advice would be welcome!
 Harry
 
 A Swinging Door in Open Moorland
 
 On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Ah! I never thought of using hand writting.  Thanks!
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:34 AM
 Subject: RE: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience been 
 with it? More in the body of message.
 
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 Did you turn on Reduced Motion? You can also change pages by touching above
 the task bar where it says Page 1 of 3, adjustable (of course the second
 number will reflect how many home pages you have). Then swipe up with one
 finger. The main thing is to practice your 3-finger swipe to be already
 started  when your fingers hit the screen, make it snappy and wait just a
 moment before you touch the screen again.
 
 Another way to get to an app on page 2 or 3 or whatever is to use
 handwriting. I don't know if you know handwriting, but if you do you might
 find this to be very efficient. I rarely even switch pages any more. I just
 do a quick turn of the rotor which on my home screen will put it on
 handwriting. Then, if for example I want Downcast which is on page 2, I
 write a d, at that point Voiceover says 4 apps which means I have 4 apps
 starting with D. I could now do a 2-finger swipe down to move through these
 4 apps and double tap when I get to Downcast or I can write a second letter,
 the O, and now Voiceover says 1 App followed by Downcast and all I have
 to do is double tap.
 
 This may sound complicated, but it really isn't. To me writing a letter is
 one gesture, so opening Downcast means 4 gestures:
 
 1. Turn rotor to handwriting
 2. Write a D
 3. Write an O
 4. Double tap
 
 If I go to page 2 with a 3-finger swipe, then even if I put my finger on
 Downcast on the first try and double tap to open it, it still means I am
 doing 3 gestures and if I miss it and have to swipe once or twice to get to
 it then it's actually more gestures. I also have to press the home key twice
 to get back to my first home screen, once to get out of the app and a second
 time to get back to my first home screen.
 
 Using handwriting to find apps really does work extremely well and if they
 are in a folder I don't even have to remember which folder they are in and
 I'm definitely saving myself taps and gestures.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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RE: Is there an app to find out about upcoming music releases?

2013-10-10 Thread BroxiBear
hello Chris, I to would love to know of such an app. And one for new
upcoming audio books would also be great, Billy

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Of Chris Judd
Sent: 09 October 2013 2:35 AM
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Subject: Is there an app to find out about upcoming music releases?

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows of an app, or a way that I can find out
about upcoming new releases for music?
Trying to find out about some music to download from iTunes.
Thanks for any help,
Chris

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Re: Braille commands for VoiceOver

2013-10-10 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hi Alex,

I'm glad I was able to give you the right instructions. I just downloaded them 
last week to the Air. I needed to brush up on the commands myself, as I haven't 
used the Braille Note as a braille display in a while. Glad I was able to help.

Have fun using it as a display. 

Eileen

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On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Eileen, thanks very much, your instructions took me to the right place with
 no problems, and I've now got the manual!
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Eileens Misrahi
 Sent: 07 October 2013 21:40
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille commands for VoiceOver
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 I was trying to go to Humanware's site to  give you all of the links to
 enter on. However, I don't have access to my PC IE and I'm not well verse
 with Safari on my Air yet. This is what I can remember:
 
 1. go to humanware.com and enter on support.
 2. The first heading is a list of products. Enter on Braille Note Apex.
 3. This is where I'm not sure of the next link to enter on. I think it may
 be manuals/ tutorials, but it could be downloads. You are looking for a link
 that states Msing The Braille Note As A Braille Display.
 I have the file on my Mac if you can't find it. Let me know and I can try to
 send it to you off line.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I know I should know where to find there to find these but I don't. I'm
 looking for a list of braille commandsto the braille not for with particular
 reference to the braille note exap
 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread glazingfr...@gmail.com
Me too using bold text on iPhone 4S with iOS 7. 
How about ready flashlight?  Can almost call it life saver. 
To save resources I turned Reduce Motion to On. 

 On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep.  I also have an iPhone 4, that I updated to iOS 7.  I didn’t really 
 notice a slow down, but since I was low on space on my 16GB (I have lots of 
 music), I took the chance to upgrade to a 4S.  It’s also working fine.  
 Again, there is ONE feature iOS 7 has that iOS 6 didn’t, and it’s really 
 nice, and that’s system wide bold text.  Yes, 56 pt on iOS 6 was nice, but 
 even better bolded on iOS 7.
 
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or
 doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this
 others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I
 have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's
 only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6.
 
 On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with
 some
 customers. But the phone should still be usable.
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I
 called
 
 apple again.
 Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that
 IOs 7  makes iPhone 4  very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one
 phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day
 reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem
 
 is common  in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use
 
 iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and
 texting, but no a lot of things.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for
 Voiceover
 
 users is the norm not the exception.  I think sighted people will get by
 just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware
 
 much more.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience
 (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I
 don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I
 know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about
 
 it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7
 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with
 
 sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the
 
 phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of
 work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S
 doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1
 
 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always
 have.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 
 Of glazingfr...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s.  It makes the entire
 everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's
 really not fair.
 
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ierne
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well this issue changes by the day.  Even on 1% battery, without charger,
 
 my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02.  So contrary to what David C.
 
 has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd,
 because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting
 the charger, so something has changed.  My tests also suggest that the
 unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way
 
 to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off.  And who knows, Apple may
 be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...?
 
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Re: Accessible pedometer apps

2013-10-10 Thread Gene Baroni
That did work, thank you for that. It does speak randomly while you are 
working out but it is as accurate as it was with ios 6.
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From: Brett brettst...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps


Hi,

Is this iTreadmill you are refering too? If so, I haven't used it for a 
while as I have been slack on the treadmil.


I have found the following bug in iTreadmill which seems to have been 
introduced in iOS7. If in settings, you have Screen Blanking set to on, 
iTreadmill, It doesn't count steps correctly, if at all. If you set Screen 
Blanking to off, Itreadmill will then work correctly.


I am currently trying Pacer, which does run in the background and you can 
toggle off location services so that it just uses the accelorometer. It 
doesn't show as much information as iTreadmill, but looks good so far and it 
is fully accessible.


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

On 10 Oct 2013, at 8:40 am, Wayne gmail  ewaynebrum...@gmail.com 
wrote:


On the other hand, when I get on the treadmill, I often find that when I
have double tapped the start/ pause button and started walking, it didn't
actually start and my distance covered in my walk is zero.  Discouraging
news as you wipe away the sweat I can tell you!  If anyone can give me a
hint on how I know I've really got it started I would really appreciate 
it.

I would also appreciate corroboration or correction that you cannot leave
the app and load something else and have it run in the background. 
Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps

Hi, not only that, but pedometer apps which rely on gps have 2 flaws. 1,
they don't work on treadmills, 2 they don't work reliably even if you are
walking outside because of how gps doesn't track exact movement and it 
can't
figure out where you go until you have moved usually 30 feet or more in 
one

direction. What if you decide to do your walking in circles?

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On 10/7/2013 8:49 AM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Thanks for those that recommended apps. I ultimatley decided on
iTreadMill, since though it has a lot of options on what to track, it
also had what I was looking for. Unlike other apps, it does not appear
to use GPS and thus drain battery, which is also good.

Regards,
Wayne


On 10/7/13, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote:
I have it now, but not quite sure how to begin will get it figured
out sometime but not this morning.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps

iTreadmill is a good one.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:06 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Accessible pedometer apps

Greetings. I am wanting to get an accessible pedometer app. I have
tried searching on the App Store but over 300 results show up. I've
looked on AppleVis, but most of the apps that come up are several
years old. I want an ap that will count my steps and tell me the
distance that i have walked. I do not want one of the exercise games.
Also,if the app were free that would be good too. I have an iPhone 5
with iOS 7, for whatever that's worth.

Regards,
Wayne

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RE: time changes

2013-10-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Ray,

If you keep your SIM in the phone, make sure you turn on data roaming so you
don't accidently use any data, it's terribly expensive. It's probably best
to just turn on Airplan mode, then you can go back and manually turn on
Wi-Fi.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: time changes

I'll be headed to Britain shortly.  Will I have to manually change the clock
or will the phone
handle that on its own?  I assume the device supports NITZ?


Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread glazingfr...@gmail.com
Once you restore an iPhone and connect to iTunes it will ask you get latest 
update in order to restore from backup. 

 On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with some
 customers. But the phone should still be usable.
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called
 
 apple again.
 Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that 
 IOs 7  makes iPhone 4  very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one 
 phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day 
 reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem 
 is common  in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use 
 iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and 
 texting, but no a lot of things.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover
 
 users is the norm not the exception.  I think sighted people will get by 
 just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware 
 much more.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience 
 (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I 
 don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I 
 know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about 
 it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 
 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with 
 sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the 
 phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of 
 work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S 
 doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 
 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always have.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 
 Of glazingfr...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s.  It makes the entire 
 everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's 
 really not fair.
 
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ierne
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well this issue changes by the day.  Even on 1% battery, without charger, 
 my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02.  So contrary to what David C. 
 has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, 
 because I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting 
 the charger, so something has changed.  My tests also suggest that the 
 unit downloads the update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way 
 to stop this download now is to turn WiFi off.  And who knows, Apple may 
 be able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...?
 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread glazingfr...@gmail.com
Not only on my iPhone 4S its slow, but on my ipad4.  It freezes for a few 
second while I am moving around, especially Mail.  It never ever happened with 
iOS 6.1.3 on this once beloved iPad 3. This force of upgrade to iOS 7 and being 
able to backgrade is totally wrong. 

 On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Are you talking about the iPhone 4S? I upgraded to IOS 7, and I don't find it 
 any more sluggish than IOS 6.
 
 On 10/07/2013 12:15 AM, glazingfr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s.  It makes the entire
 everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's
 really not fair.
 
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com
 mailto:garypet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Ierne mailto:grattanhe...@gmail.com
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
Well this issue changes by the day.  Even on 1% battery, without
charger, my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02.  So contrary
to what David C. has stated, it looks as if the charger is now
irrelevant. Which is odd, because I was able to stop the download
a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, so something has
changed.  My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the update
whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this
download now is to turn WiFi off.  And who knows, Apple may be
able to remove that barrier for those of us holding out...?
 
 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread glazingfr...@gmail.com
Christopher,

Thanks for speaking up. I wasn't sure if I should say anything or not.  This 
discussion is not pointless as you said. We do have have a few points here:
 - Apple pushes in data without permission,
 - The data pushed in to us wastes enormous space that we paid for,
 - The data pushed to us uses resources of connection traffic,
 - The data cannot be deleted,
 - if you do agree to install it (usually because you want to try it and 
thinking you got the best iOS that could ever have on your device) you cannot 
roll it back. 
 - If you do want to restore a machine to factory iOS you really can't stay 
that way. You have to update and you also to update till iOS 6.1.3, and you 
cannot choose that ever again at all,
 
  What else?

Are these things pointless?

 Thanks,
 Glazing 

 On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think the discussion has been pointless, but I do think that 
 positions are being restated, and I don't think anyone is going to convince 
 anyone to change their opinion at this point. BTW, I don't recall the 
 moderator asking anyone to move on. In fact, I think she said she was 
 specifically letting this discussion continue as long as people behaved 
 themselves.
 
 On 10/08/2013 05:46 AM, Ed Barnes wrote:
 The point here too is that this discussion is pointless and I think our list
 moderator has asked all involved to move on, btw, I'm getting a sore delete
 finger.
 Pablo good luck finding a resolution for your issues.
 Respectfully, Ed.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Ok Sieghard.
 What ever. the point is not if restoring my iPhone as new device, could
 help. it could, but still it is slower, alot slower than before. The point
 here is the IOs 7 update, who is mandatory decrease the performance of the
 iPhone 4.
 It is all.
 Now, as Cara said, arguing here if it is very slow, or just slow, or a
 little bit slow is something that anybody   here can fix.
 I would like to change the topic, do you want? and the rest of the people
 would like to change the topic also?
 I am tired of this issue.
 P
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:09 PM
 Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi Pablo,
 
 I don't want to dispute that an iPhone 4 is slower with iOS 7, however,
 you
 described that it takes 22 seconds or whatever the number was for the
 Settings app to open and there is just no way that this is normal
 behavior.
 If your iPhone 4 is that slow and you plan to keep it around, then a
 complete restore to factory settings and setting it up as a new device is
 what I would do. It won't turn it into a 4S or a 5, but I would bet that
 it
 will improve. I can only say that my 4S runs perfectly well with iOS 7 and
 if I wasn't such a geek and in a position to treat myself to a new
 unlocked
 iPhone I would not upgrade. I am pretty sure I'll enjoy using Touch ID and
 I'll probably feel safer for using it, I know I'll be able to take nicer
 pictures and maybe OCR/object recognition will be better and I know it
 will
 be faster than my 4S, but I am also pretty sure that it's probably a good
 idea not to set my expectations too high when it comes to just normal
 day-to-day use like making phone calls, checking email and using routine
 apps I use a lot like Audible, my weather app, my Netatmo weather station
 app, Downcast etc. We don't even have LTE yet where I live so it's not
 even
 like I'll be awed by super high download speeds or a noticeable
 improvement
 with Skype or other VoIP apps due to the faster upload and download speed.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 4:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I
 called
 
 apple again.
 Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that
 IOs 7  makes iPhone 4  very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one
 phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day
 reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that
 problem
 is common  in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who
 use
 iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and
 texting, but no a lot of things.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts 

Re: Apple Maps Voice Guidance in walking mode.

2013-10-10 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Tom:

Did you use Voiceover or did you turn it off?

Thanks.




On 10/7/2013 6:02 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:

I have had great success. I'm not sure if I turned on headings with voice
announcement or not, but it gave me turn by turn directions. It was nice in
that it told me a few times before it was time to turn, and the number of
feet until I turned was very accurate.

Thom


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Maps Voice Guidance in walking mode.

Hello Folks:

Has anyone had any luck using apple maps with voice guidance in walking
mode in IOS 7?  I've tried it with and without Voiceover but no joy.
Indeed, if there is voice guidance available in walking mode, Voiceover
would not be necessary.

Any thoughts?

thanks all over the place.

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread glazingfr...@gmail.com
Pablo,

  Thank you for sharing the experiences you gathered from others. I saw this 
problem on my iPhone 4S, roommate's iphone 4, my iPad 3. Right now typing this 
email on my iPhone 4s. It freezes every few now and then when I switched to 
check an incoming text now. I came back I typed and the letters didn't show up 
while 'typing' them, only after typing a while it all came after. Major delay. 

I also own an iPod Touch 5, which I did not update. It works much faster than 
anything I got here since the update. Even the iPad3 that use to be faster is 
now slower. Apple did send in the Update file which I am NOT installing. What 
right does Apple have to send it to me with my agreeing to it, and occupying 
about 3GB? There is no way to delete it. 

 On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I called 
 apple again.
 Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that IOs 
 7  makes iPhone 4  very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one phone. 
 As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day reporting 
 this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem is common  
 in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use iPhone 4, 
 with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and texting, but no 
 a lot of things.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for Voiceover 
 users is the norm not the exception.  I think sighted people will get by just 
 find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware much 
 more.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience (apart 
 from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I don’t see 
 any sluggishness. I can’t speak for an iPhone 4 except that I know 4 people 
 and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about it who are 
 sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7 works well on 
 their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with sluggishness 
 that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the phone using 
 iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of work, but the 
 few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S doing that fixed 
 everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1 comes out many bugs 
 and issues will just go away just as they always have.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of glazingfr...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s.  It makes the entire 
 everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's 
 really not fair.
 
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ierne
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well this issue changes by the day.  Even on 1% battery, without charger, my 
 iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02.  So contrary to what David C. has 
 stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which is odd, because 
 I was able to stop the download a few days ago by disconnecting the charger, 
 so something has changed.  My tests also suggest that the unit downloads the 
 update whether locked or not. So it seems the only way to stop this download 
 now is to turn WiFi off.  And who knows, Apple may be able to remove that 
 barrier for those of us holding out...?
 
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Re: question where to find itunes radio in ios 7.

2013-10-10 Thread Eurico C Palazzo
Tks Odin.
Finally a good answer.
I'm from Brasil; so I don't have iRadio yet. Not a great info; but at least 
a coherent one.

On Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:58:54 AM UTC-3, mich wrote:

  Hi all. I just am lissening to a podcast that talks about itunes radio 
 in ios7. I am just wondering where to find this? since it says it is in the 
 music app but I can't seem to find it. what I see is playlists, artests, 
 songs, jonrah and that is it o yes and also albums. all I see is the music 
 that I have on my iphone and nothing about radio or itunes radio. I am not 
 subscribed to itunes match and I am not in the us. could that be the reason 
 why I don't see it? many thanks. from Mich.


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itunes radio problem

2013-10-10 Thread John Kolwick
   Hello, I have seen several posts regarding problems with itunes radio; I 
would like to throw one into the mix to see if others have experienced this.  
Today, I was searching for a particular artist and it said, artist not found.  
At this point, I could not perform any other function.  I had to go to the app 
switcher and reactivate the program.  Has anyone else experienced this?  

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Re: Passcode entry with handwriting

2013-10-10 Thread Denny Schwab
I would try a three-finger swipe right.  This is the same as hitting
the return key.  If that doesn't work you could always use the router
to go to another mode, like word, and then swipe to the return or ok
button.

On 10/10/13, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:
 I'm trying to learn to use voiceover but can't find out what to do after
 writing the last nber of my passcode. I use the rotor to turn on handwriting
 on the lock screen and my 5s recognises my numbers. A sighted person would
 then tap the OK button but I have no idea what gesture will activate ok on
 the pass code screen and google has not helped. Any ideas, folks?
 Thanks
 Harry

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RE: Updating apps

2013-10-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Simon,

Well, you have 2 choices, Agree and get app updates and be able to buy new
apps or Don't Agree and never get an app update again.
Anyhow, you can agree to it, there is nothing to it and it's nothing most
other companies don't do from time to time. When you install certain Window
updates you also have to do that and you have to do it any time you install
any sort of software on your computer.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of simon wong
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Updating apps

Hi there everybody when you had to update let's just say Facebook for
example in your iPhone did you have to agree to a policy from Apple before
continuing with the installation and is that good or bad because I have a
couple of apps that need updating but I don't know if it's right to have
agreed to this how policy

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-10-10 Thread Pete Nalda
Well, the flashlight can always be turned on in control center. I think I'd 
never risk it being turned on by shake, as there'd be way too many turn on's by 
accident. 
Elgin On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

 On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:33 PM, glazingfr...@gmail.com glazingfr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Me too using bold text on iPhone 4S with iOS 7. 
 How about ready flashlight?  Can almost call it life saver. 
 To save resources I turned Reduce Motion to On. 
 
 On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep.  I also have an iPhone 4, that I updated to iOS 7.  I didn’t really 
 notice a slow down, but since I was low on space on my 16GB (I have lots of 
 music), I took the chance to upgrade to a 4S.  It’s also working fine.  
 Again, there is ONE feature iOS 7 has that iOS 6 didn’t, and it’s really 
 nice, and that’s system wide bold text.  Yes, 56 pt on iOS 6 was nice, but 
 even better bolded on iOS 7.
 
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry but this is getting old. People have suggested restoring or
 doing other things to phones that are slow. Instead of trying this
 others just want to continue complaining. As I've said a few times I
 have a 4 which although a bit slow still works fine with 7.2 and it's
 only 8gb. It was also slow with IOS 6.
 
 On 10/7/13, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Indeed it will make the 4 slower I have been seeing this at my job with
 some
 customers. But the phone should still be usable.
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Yesterday, after I read the Cara's email, I took my home phone, and I
 called
 
 apple again.
 Surprise. They know, tech support, accessibility, and customer care, that
 IOs 7  makes iPhone 4  very slow. So it is not a unique condition in one
 phone. As I said before, apple is receiving hundreds of calls every day
 reporting this problem. The guy of accessibility, told me that that problem
 
 is common  in the iPhone 4 with IOs 7. Could be that for the people who use
 
 iPhone 4, with IOs 7, is because the use that they do is just calls and
 texting, but no a lot of things.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I respectfully disagree.  I think sluggishness on the iPhone 4 for
 Voiceover
 
 users is the norm not the exception.  I think sighted people will get by
 just find but, Voiceover users will notice the pinch of 3 year old hardware
 
 much more.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I agree with Christopher that iOS 7 on a 4S is a very good experience
 (apart from the few bugs we also had to deal with in iOS 5 and iOS 6). I
 don't see any sluggishness. I can't speak for an iPhone 4 except that I
 know 4 people and I mean I know them personally and spoke with them about
 
 it who are sighted and still use the iPhone 4 and all of them say iOS 7
 works well on their iPhone 4. I think if somebody has serious issues with
 
 sluggishness that this is not normal behavior and they should restore the
 
 phone using iTunes and set it up as a new phone. I know this is a bit of
 work, but the few times I had issues with my 4 some years ago and my 4S
 doing that fixed everything quite nicely. I also expect that when iOS 7.1
 
 comes out many bugs and issues will just go away just as they always
 have.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 
 Of glazingfr...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 10:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Another problem with iOS 7 update to iPhone 4/s.  It makes the entire
 everything sluggish, even after disabling certain fancy features. It's
 really not fair.
 
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Now that you mention it, my phone when charging is locked.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ierne
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well this issue changes by the day.  Even on 1% battery, without charger,
 
 my iPhone 4S is trying to download iOS7.02.  So contrary to what David C.
 
 has stated, it looks as if the charger is now irrelevant. Which 

Re: How do I wipe phone before returning it?

2013-10-10 Thread Chris H

Go to settings general reset erase all content and settings.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 09/10/2013 17:58, Sherrie wrote:


Since my iPhone 5 is having hardware issues (power button won’t work) I am 
returning it to Apple.  They are sending me a replacement phone and from what I 
understand I can do a complete backup to my computer and then attach the new 
phone and do a recover.
My question is how do I make sure that my personal information gets wiped from 
the phone I am returning?

Thanks for any advice.
Sherrie Gosling



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Re: question where to find itunes radio in ios 7.

2013-10-10 Thread Regina Alvarado
Look in music. First tab on the left bottom.


reggie and Allegra

On Oct 6, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Eurico C Palazzo euric...@gmail.com wrote:

Tks Odin.
Finally a good answer.
I'm from Brasil; so I don't have iRadio yet. Not a great info; but at least a 
coherent one.

 On Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:58:54 AM UTC-3, mich wrote:
 Hi all. I just am lissening to a podcast that talks about itunes radio in 
 ios7. I am just wondering where to find this? since it says it is in the 
 music app but I can't seem to find it. what I see is playlists, artests, 
 songs, jonrah and that is it o yes and also albums. all I see is the music 
 that I have on my iphone and nothing about radio or itunes radio. I am not 
 subscribed to itunes match and I am not in the us. could that be the reason 
 why I don't see it? many thanks. from Mich.

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Re: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience been with it? More in the body of message.

2013-10-10 Thread Harry Bell
I have a new 5S and love how improved Siri is. One problem: I squeezed it into 
a mophie juice pack plus designed for iphone 5 and now the power button only 
let's me put phone to sleep and even that is a struggle. And I cannot get my 5S 
back out of the case! Any advice would be welcome!
Harry

A Swinging Door in Open Moorland

On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Ah! I never thought of using hand writting.  Thanks!
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move 
 out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:34 AM
 Subject: RE: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience been 
 with it? More in the body of message.
 
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 Did you turn on Reduced Motion? You can also change pages by touching above
 the task bar where it says Page 1 of 3, adjustable (of course the second
 number will reflect how many home pages you have). Then swipe up with one
 finger. The main thing is to practice your 3-finger swipe to be already
 started  when your fingers hit the screen, make it snappy and wait just a
 moment before you touch the screen again.
 
 Another way to get to an app on page 2 or 3 or whatever is to use
 handwriting. I don't know if you know handwriting, but if you do you might
 find this to be very efficient. I rarely even switch pages any more. I just
 do a quick turn of the rotor which on my home screen will put it on
 handwriting. Then, if for example I want Downcast which is on page 2, I
 write a d, at that point Voiceover says 4 apps which means I have 4 apps
 starting with D. I could now do a 2-finger swipe down to move through these
 4 apps and double tap when I get to Downcast or I can write a second letter,
 the O, and now Voiceover says 1 App followed by Downcast and all I have
 to do is double tap.
 
 This may sound complicated, but it really isn't. To me writing a letter is
 one gesture, so opening Downcast means 4 gestures:
 
 1. Turn rotor to handwriting
 2. Write a D
 3. Write an O
 4. Double tap
 
 If I go to page 2 with a 3-finger swipe, then even if I put my finger on
 Downcast on the first try and double tap to open it, it still means I am
 doing 3 gestures and if I miss it and have to swipe once or twice to get to
 it then it's actually more gestures. I also have to press the home key twice
 to get back to my first home screen, once to get out of the app and a second
 time to get back to my first home screen.
 
 Using handwriting to find apps really does work extremely well and if they
 are in a folder I don't even have to remember which folder they are in and
 I'm definitely saving myself taps and gestures.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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RE: iOS7 Alarm Problem

2013-10-10 Thread Neal Ewers
Sally, I made the same mistake and was nicely given the correct information
on this list. You don't have to do anything once you press unlock. Well, I
have never done this from snooze, but basically, the press of the unlock
button stops the alarm. At that point, you can go on using it or press the
lock button to lock it again. In either case, the alarm will be off.

Neal


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS7 Alarm Problem

Hi Guys,

I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I still can't get how I would completely
turn off the alarm after snoozing it. So if I'm now on the lock screen where
it has the count down of when the alarm would fire again, how do I just stop
it completely without having to wait for it to fire again? I tried the
double tap on the unlock part of the screen, but it doesn't work for me.

Thanks a lot in advance for any help.

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Re: BRAILLE PEN12!!!

2013-10-10 Thread Gerard Doody
Hi Anthony, I think it is Appe.  It seems to do withthe way appe  configures 
braille displtys in general.  You will also notice that you have to type

Jerry Doody
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Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Everyone;

I just purchased a Braille Pen12.

I had no problem pairing it with my iPhone 5.

However, when I turn off the Braille Pen12 and, go back and turn it back on, I 
have to pair it again.

I wonder if it's a bug in IOS7 or, is it something in the display.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Anthony


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Re: iOS7 Alarm Problem

2013-10-10 Thread Peter Logan
You can ask Siri to shut it off ...

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 8, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Sally Abd el Wahab sally.abdelwa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Guys,
 
 I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I still can't get how I would completely 
 turn off the alarm after snoozing it. So if I'm now on the lock screen where 
 it has the count down of when the alarm would fire again, how do I just stop 
 it completely without having to wait for it to fire again? I tried the double 
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Re: BRAILLE PEN12!!!

2013-10-10 Thread Gerard Doody
Sorry Anthony, It seems to have been Apple that causes problems with this.  You 
will notice that if you don't braille fast enough when you are using 
contractions, weird things happen so braille fast. lol 

Jerry Doody
jerrydood...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Everyone;

I just purchased a Braille Pen12.

I had no problem pairing it with my iPhone 5.

However, when I turn off the Braille Pen12 and, go back and turn it back on, I 
have to pair it again.

I wonder if it's a bug in IOS7 or, is it something in the display.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Anthony


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RE: time changes

2013-10-10 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
turn on off data roaming?


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 18:34
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: time changes

Hi Ray,

If you keep your SIM in the phone, make sure you turn on data roaming so you 
don't accidently use
any data, it's terribly expensive. It's probably best to just turn on Airplan 
mode, then you can go
back and manually turn on Wi-Fi.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: time changes

I'll be headed to Britain shortly.  Will I have to manually change the clock or 
will the phone
handle that on its own?  I assume the device supports NITZ?


Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: BRAILLE PEN12!!!

2013-10-10 Thread Kimber Gardner
Though I don't have the braille pen 12, my focus 14 stays paired under
ios7 just as it did under ios6.

Kimber

On 10/10/13, Gerard Doody jerrydood...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Anthony, I think it is Appe.  It seems to do withthe way appe  configures
 braille displtys in general.  You will also notice that you have to type

 Jerry Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone;

 I just purchased a Braille Pen12.

 I had no problem pairing it with my iPhone 5.

 However, when I turn off the Braille Pen12 and, go back and turn it back on,
 I have to pair it again.

 I wonder if it's a bug in IOS7 or, is it something in the display.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks in advance.

 Anthony


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Re: Passcode entry with handwriting

2013-10-10 Thread Peter Logan
On my 5S ... once the last number is entered .. it automatically unlocks ..



Sent from my iPhone

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 I'm trying to learn to use voiceover but can't find out what to do after 
 writing the last nber of my passcode. I use the rotor to turn on handwriting 
 on the lock screen and my 5s recognises my numbers. A sighted person would 
 then tap the OK button but I have no idea what gesture will activate ok on 
 the pass code screen and google has not helped. Any ideas, folks?
 Thanks
 Harry
 
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Re: BRAILLE PEN12!!!

2013-10-10 Thread Arianna
When you want to turn off your display, be sure to lock your iPhone first, then 
turn off the display. Likewise, you need to press the sleep / wake button 
before turning the display back on.

It's weird, but doing it this way all the time should prevent the necessity of 
having to constantly repair the phone and display. If you do things in another 
order, the pairing is lost.


Thanks,
Ari

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Though I don't have the braille pen 12, my focus 14 stays paired under
 ios7 just as it did under ios6.
 
 Kimber
 
 On 10/10/13, Gerard Doody jerrydood...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Anthony, I think it is Appe.  It seems to do withthe way appe  configures
 braille displtys in general.  You will also notice that you have to type
 
 Jerry Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone;
 
 I just purchased a Braille Pen12.
 
 I had no problem pairing it with my iPhone 5.
 
 However, when I turn off the Braille Pen12 and, go back and turn it back on,
 I have to pair it again.
 
 I wonder if it's a bug in IOS7 or, is it something in the display.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Anthony
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
 
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RE: OCR

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
Say text is a good one.
Use a darker background, you put the camera (not the phone) close to the
center and slowly move it up.
It will make a sound when the edges have been detected. 
Hold still and it will take the picture.

HTH
Thom

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 On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:52 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: OCR
 
 I was wondering if anyone has played with OCR using the 5s. I tried 3
apps.
 With Perfect OCR my phone just crashed.
 Tith Text Detective I double tapped Start but the phone never took a
 picture.
 With Prismo my results were okay but I am not sure where the phone needs
 to be in  relation to the page. I placed the phone at the left edge about
half
 way up the page. Depending on the height my results differed. I wasn't
sure
 what the vibrating was for before I took the picture either. Any advice or
 comments would be welcome.
 
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RE: Two finger dubble tap problem.

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
I've had the same problem. But, when I restart the phone, it works properly
again.

 

Thom

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Two finger dubble tap problem.

 

Hi Gang:

 

Since I've updated my iPhone 5 to IOS7, I am unable to stop audio streaming
with the two finger dubble tap.  Is this a know issue?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

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RE: Apple Maps Voice Guidance in walking mode.

2013-10-10 Thread Thom Spittle
I used voice over.


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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 5:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple Maps Voice Guidance in walking mode.
 
 Tom:
 
 Did you use Voiceover or did you turn it off?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 On 10/7/2013 6:02 PM, Thom Spittle wrote:
  I have had great success. I'm not sure if I turned on headings with
  voice announcement or not, but it gave me turn by turn directions. It
  was nice in that it told me a few times before it was time to turn,
  and the number of feet until I turned was very accurate.
 
  Thom
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On
  Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
  Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 11:44 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Apple Maps Voice Guidance in walking mode.
 
  Hello Folks:
 
  Has anyone had any luck using apple maps with voice guidance in
  walking mode in IOS 7?  I've tried it with and without Voiceover but no
 joy.
  Indeed, if there is voice guidance available in walking mode,
  Voiceover would not be necessary.
 
  Any thoughts?
 
  thanks all over the place.
 
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Re: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience been with it? More in the body of message.

2013-10-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
You probably already figured this out but the two phones look exactly the same.

On 10/9/13, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:
 Apologies - my sighted partner sorted this as I didn't realised you have to
 pull bottom off the case first!

 A Swinging Door in Open Moorland

 On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:57, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:

 I have a new 5S and love how improved Siri is. One problem: I squeezed it
 into a mophie juice pack plus designed for iphone 5 and now the power
 button only let's me put phone to sleep and even that is a struggle. And I
 cannot get my 5S back out of the case! Any advice would be welcome!
 Harry

 A Swinging Door in Open Moorland

 On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Ah! I never thought of using hand writting.  Thanks!
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 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
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 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:34 AM
 Subject: RE: To those who have the iPhone 5 S how has your experience
 been with it? More in the body of message.


 Hi Alan,

 Did you turn on Reduced Motion? You can also change pages by touching
 above
 the task bar where it says Page 1 of 3, adjustable (of course the
 second
 number will reflect how many home pages you have). Then swipe up with
 one
 finger. The main thing is to practice your 3-finger swipe to be already
 started  when your fingers hit the screen, make it snappy and wait just
 a
 moment before you touch the screen again.

 Another way to get to an app on page 2 or 3 or whatever is to use
 handwriting. I don't know if you know handwriting, but if you do you
 might
 find this to be very efficient. I rarely even switch pages any more. I
 just
 do a quick turn of the rotor which on my home screen will put it on
 handwriting. Then, if for example I want Downcast which is on page 2, I
 write a d, at that point Voiceover says 4 apps which means I have 4
 apps
 starting with D. I could now do a 2-finger swipe down to move through
 these
 4 apps and double tap when I get to Downcast or I can write a second
 letter,
 the O, and now Voiceover says 1 App followed by Downcast and all I
 have
 to do is double tap.

 This may sound complicated, but it really isn't. To me writing a letter
 is
 one gesture, so opening Downcast means 4 gestures:

 1. Turn rotor to handwriting
 2. Write a D
 3. Write an O
 4. Double tap

 If I go to page 2 with a 3-finger swipe, then even if I put my finger
 on
 Downcast on the first try and double tap to open it, it still means I
 am
 doing 3 gestures and if I miss it and have to swipe once or twice to get
 to
 it then it's actually more gestures. I also have to press the home key
 twice
 to get back to my first home screen, once to get out of the app and a
 second
 time to get back to my first home screen.

 Using handwriting to find apps really does work extremely well and if
 they
 are in a folder I don't even have to remember which folder they are in
 and
 I'm definitely saving myself taps and gestures.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: creating a tonido account for the first time

2013-10-10 Thread MamaPeach
There is not a direct link, it is done through the icon that is in your system 
tray after installing the Desktop.exe file.

From: Chad Davidson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: creating a tonido account for the first time

Did you ever get an answer on this?  I'm having the same issue.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:44:38 PM UTC-6, melissa...@att.net wrote: 
  while using my desktop, I was having problems getting my first account set up 
for tonido,  could someone please send me the dirrect link to set up an account?
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Re: iTunes Match

2013-10-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Thanks I'm in the same boat as you.

On 10/10/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi John,

 iTunes Match matches your music library to what Apple has and any songs
 you have and which are found in iTunes you have access to from the cloud.
 If
 you have music that is not found, e.g. maybe you have a CD from some small
 local band which is not available from iTunes, then these songs are
 uploaded
 to your iCloud, but they don't count against your 5 Gb free space. If you
 have songs ripped at lower than 256 Kbps (iTunes Plus quality) you
 automatically get the better quality iTunes songs. Basically all your music
 is in the cloud and is available to youto stream or download to your
 device.
 If you were travelling and maybe you are in a country where you won't have
 access to data, then you would want to make sure you download the music you
 want to your device. People who have a smaller iPhone like and 8 or 16 Gb
 can have access to a large library without having to use up all the space
 on
 their device. I believe there is a 25,000 song limit, though. As Isaac
 already pointed out, in the US the service is $24.99 a year and now with
 iTunes Radio this also gets you ad-free iTunes Radio service. I have never
 subscribed to this yet because I have about 26 Gb of music and a 64 Gb
 iPhone so for me it's not a big deal to have all my 4,000 or so songs on my
 phone. Most of it I bought when I was younger, now given the vast offering
 of free music online from sites like 181.fm and so on I rarely buy any
 music
 any more and my library is almost not growing any more. I find audio books
 much more entertaining than music so I rather spend my money on Audible.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:56 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iTunes Match

 Just curious what is the cost for this service in the U.S. and what do
 you get for subscribing to it?

 On 10/10/13, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 Hi,

 When you turn it on, you'll be prompted to subscribe. Follow the
 directions,
 and you should be all set.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Liz and Sammie
 elizabethulr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 My guess is that it is for the automatic renewal process.  I am
 considering
 subscribing to ITunes Match.  I don't have ITunes match turned on right
 now,
 but once I turn it on, how does one subscribe?

 Liz Ulrich and Leader dog Sammie

 Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

 HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1


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Re: ATT and the Next program

2013-10-10 Thread Alan Paganelli
Actually, they do tell you on their web site.  Your looking at 20 months to 
pay off the phone.

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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: ATT and the Next program


Hi all, what you want to remember when using the ATT next program is 
something that ATT does not tell their customers. Let's say that you buy a 
phone. The next year you decide you want to upgrade to another phone. This 
is all okay you can do that. But you still will be paying for your first 
phone until it is paid off, even though you have upgraded to another phone. 
So now you are paying for two phones. If you upgrade again the third year 
you then would be paying for a third phone and so on. ATT does not tell you 
this and neither does any other Telephone Company. I wanted to share it with 
you. Because I talked directly to ATT about it and they told me that my 
brother who told me about the situation was right this is exactly what 
happens so if you decide to switch to another company and you haven't paid 
off all of the phones. You are still liable for them. God bless, Wren PS. If 
this is not clear please write to me off list and I will try and explain it 
better.


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Anita,

I don't specifically know about ATT's program, but Telus and probably 
other
providers here in Canada offer something similar. One thing you can be 
sure

of is that you do pay for the phone one way or another. What ATT and
companies who offer this will do is sell these 1-year old phones as used
phones, especially with the iPhone the value will still be quite good, but
If they offered the same monthly deal without charging for the iPhone 
while
at the same time offering you a new phone each year, they would soon have 
no

customers who would spend $199, $299 or $399 for a 5S any more. For people
who like to have the latest and greatest every year paying a bit extra 
might

be worth it.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Gadget Girl
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:53 PM
To: V Iphone Email List
Subject: ATT and the Next program

Hi everyone.  Anybody using ATT's next program, wherein you can get an
iPhone 5S by only paying taxes on the phone?  I was told gone are the days
of buying the phone outright.   I was told you can upgrade every 12 
months.

I was told each time a new iPhone comes out, you can upgrade without
penalty.

Is anyone using this program?  If so, how do you like it?  Do you not own
your phone?

Any feedback you have would be appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,
Anita
also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a 
bite,

Express yourself!

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iOS7 and email not reading the information specified in the Preview setting for mail

2013-10-10 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Hello all:

 

I am having a problem with both my iPad and iPhone with mail not reading the
lines of messages specified in the preview settings.  I had it set to 2
lines and when I wasn't able to have the messages read to me, I increased
this setting to 3 lines.

I have 3 email accounts configured and all of them are acting the same on
both my iPhone and iPad. 

 

Anyone have any ideas how to fix this problem?

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