Re: Seeing AI help

['Husna Begum' via VIPhone]

what are you supposed to do then when it beeps fast, if i move it away the 
beeps slow down and stop, if i move it closer the beeps stop and if i keep 
it where it is, it beeps for ages and then some times will finally read the 
product. luckily my son doesn't need to have baby food any more.


Husna
-Original Message- 
From: Reg Sullivan

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

Sounds like you are describing User Error in your post.
You can be assured that if the bar code is in focus it will read, assuming 
the code is in the data base.  The fast beeping is to guide you to the code.


When using Short Text mode, the app only needs to get a quick picture of the 
page.  You should then either move your device away or put your hand over 
the camera and just listen to it read.




-Original Message-
From: 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i
wanted it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and
then  suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read
it. it was so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could
often waste more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only
read a tiny part of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the
short text channel but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it
starts from the beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as
often with blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and
leaves you with frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Rash

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode.
Raise your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading.
This is a live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can
pull the phone away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins
to see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck!
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
and forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Seeing AI help

['Husna Begum' via VIPhone]

that is true i do hope they continue with it, it has a lot of potential.

Husna


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 9:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

Also, it might help if you can ask a sighted friend or family menber to 
observe you when you try to use the Document or barcode channels, they might 
be able to give you feedback which might help down the road.
All in all I still think that Seeing AI is an awesome tool offering so many 
features in one app and I commend Microsoft for developing this app. The 
nice thing is that Microsoft has the resources to continue development and 
updates and it is probably a lot less likely to be one of those apps which 
start so promising and then end in a fizzle before they disappear or simply 
remain in the app store for years without updates.


Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan

Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

Sounds like you are describing User Error in your post.
You can be assured that if the bar code is in focus it will read, assuming 
the code is in the data base.  The fast beeping is to guide you to the code.


When using Short Text mode, the app only needs to get a quick picture of the 
page.  You should then either move your device away or put your hand over 
the camera and just listen to it read.




-Original Message-
From: 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i 
wanted it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and 
then  suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read 
it. it was so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could 
often waste more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only 
read a tiny part of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the 
short text channel but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it 
starts from the beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as 
often with blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and 
leaves you with frustration with the lack of sight.


Husna


-Original Message-
From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode.
Raise your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading.
This is a live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can 
pull the phone away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins 
to see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel

Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck!
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched 
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.



I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back and 
forth.


Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Lynn White]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:29 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard that Alexa would play the wrong thing. Sometimes she won’t 
> understand like you said, today in iOS podcast.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 10:52:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> I can play my Podcasts easily enough with Overcast on my iPhone, but of 
> course it’s also nice if you can just say “Alexa, play Today in iOS 
> Podcast”,, obviously this seems to work for some people and it even works for 
> me for so far at least the Windows Weekly Podcast, but I have no luck to ask 
> it to play Applevis, Cool blind Tech, FS Cast, The Blind Side or Today in iOS.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> I thought you could probably play your podcasts there like on an echo 
> speaker. I don't own a Sonos system, so I don't know everything about it.
>  
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:37:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> I do have “Radio by Tune In” in my sources list, haven’t checked if I could 
> add the Tune In version where you have to login/subscribe, this is the free 
> version.
> Why do you ask, I thought that was available on all Sonos systems.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> Does your sonos support TuneIn?
>  
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
> I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
> resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod 
> which uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is 
> and also Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really 
> dominant. My problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers 
> using 3 different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android 
> phone. I know some people own iPhones, 
> Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
> hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
> necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
> sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
> the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
> said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
> when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
> primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
> realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
> weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
> timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
> function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
> them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
> date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
> it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
> iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen 
> is covered.
> As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
> Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
> enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that 
> it can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s 
> not available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find 
> out.
> In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all 
> have weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more 
> capable over the next years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Reyes
> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple 

Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Maria Reyes]

I’ve heard that Alexa would play the wrong thing. Sometimes she won’t 
understand like you said, today in iOS podcast.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 10:52:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I can play my Podcasts easily enough with Overcast on my iPhone, but of course 
it’s also nice if you can just say “Alexa, play Today in iOS Podcast”,, 
obviously this seems to work for some people and it even works for me for so 
far at least the Windows Weekly Podcast, but I have no luck to ask it to play 
Applevis, Cool blind Tech, FS Cast, The Blind Side or Today in iOS.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I thought you could probably play your podcasts there like on an echo speaker. 
I don't own a Sonos system, so I don't know everything about it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:37:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I do have “Radio by Tune In” in my sources list, haven’t checked if I could add 
the Tune In version where you have to login/subscribe, this is the free version.
Why do you ask, I thought that was available on all Sonos systems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Does your sonos support TuneIn?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

RE: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You have to try it, interestingly enough I never did get to be really good with 
Fleksy even before they went mainstream and changed it all around. Maybe 
Flicktype will be even better then Fleksy ever was, I will definitely give it a 
try when it is available, but I didn’t need it desparately enough to sign up 
for the Beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hi Alan, Jeffrey, Sieghard & Others,

Thank you very much for your replies!  This does indeed sound like a good app 
to have.  I can't stand typing on my phone, so I don't unless I have my 
bluetooth keyboard, but that looks like that'll change!  Thanks again.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Mike,

No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type with 
since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter keys. If 
you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish to 
capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then do a 
single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType automatically 
capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have to worry about 
that.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B. 
> wrote:
Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
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you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for 
iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hello,
I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.
Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit 
an email to sign up as a beta tester.
The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.
What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, simply single finger swipe once again and FlickType will place a 
period at the sentence end. You simply start typing the next word and FlickType 
will automatically capitalize it. Only letter keys are presented on the main 
FlickType keyboard which makes it very easy to rapidly type your text with only 
a single finger. To access other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 
finger swipe right or left to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such 
as a proper name, single finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and 
it will be capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to 
your custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. 

RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I can play my Podcasts easily enough with Overcast on my iPhone, but of course 
it’s also nice if you can just say “Alexa, play Today in iOS Podcast”,, 
obviously this seems to work for some people and it even works for me for so 
far at least the Windows Weekly Podcast, but I have no luck to ask it to play 
Applevis, Cool blind Tech, FS Cast, The Blind Side or Today in iOS.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I thought you could probably play your podcasts there like on an echo speaker. 
I don't own a Sonos system, so I don't know everything about it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:37:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I do have “Radio by Tune In” in my sources list, haven’t checked if I could add 
the Tune In version where you have to login/subscribe, this is the free version.
Why do you ask, I thought that was available on all Sonos systems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Does your sonos support TuneIn?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired 

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Mike B.]

Hi Alan, Jeffrey, Sieghard & Others,

Thank you very much for your replies!  This does indeed sound like a good 
app to have.  I can't stand typing on my phone, so I don't unless I have my 
bluetooth keyboard, but that looks like that'll change!  Thanks again.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType


Mike,


No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type 
with since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter 
keys. If you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish 
to capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then 
do a single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType 
automatically capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have 
to worry about that.


Alan Lemly


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B.  wrote:


  Hi Alan,

  After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this 
keyboard have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything 
about this.  Thanks much.
  Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
  Sennt from my iBarstool.
  Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Lemly
  To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for iDevices.'
  Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
  Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType


  Hello,



  I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.



  Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed 
Fleksy VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed 
FlickType. Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as 
beta testers of FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can 
visit its website at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit an 
email to sign up as a beta tester.



  The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did 
not allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a 
keyboard at about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait 
mode. The keys were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with 
any vision and there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had 
to be copied and pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in 
such as your Mail or Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein 
since it uses the original Fleksy source code which went into the public 
domain after Pinterest acquired the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy 
VO was no longer supported.



  What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start 
typing where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger 
swipe right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you 
wanted and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply 
do a single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These 
choices are all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you 
just start typing the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since 
FlickType does that automatically. When you type the last word in the 
sentence and FlickType has announced it, simply single finger swipe once 
again and FlickType will place a period at the sentence end. You simply 
start typing the next word and FlickType will automatically capitalize it. 
Only letter keys are presented on the main FlickType keyboard which makes it 
very easy to rapidly type your text with only a single finger. To access 
other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 finger swipe right or left 
to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such as a proper name, single 
finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and it will be 
capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to your 
custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended 
since that is what feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is 
done, do a 2 finger swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is 
reviewed for you and you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting 
in the app where you want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly 
recommend those unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just 
no substitute for typing even though dictation is very handy.



  The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I 
understand it has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some 
point. Personally, I'm not too fussed about 

Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

[kitty hevener]

yeah, there is some risk, which is why I registered it during my return policy 
expired.  

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

Except you have to be careful if  you buy a used iPhone, another list member 
did this also only to found out that apparently the iPhone she bought was 
reported stolen and was blacklisted. Under $100 sounds good, but you can buy 
cheaper paper weights than that. I’m not saying you can’t buy used, just saying 
it’s always a risk.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

 

Hi Bill, I hear your concerns.  I am a fairly new iphone user and I had the 
same concerns about affordability of new iphone that you mentioned.  Add to 
that the fact that my flip phone was doing most of the things I wanted it to 
do, just very slowly lol!!  I couldn’t believe the asking price for new iphones 
and really did not want to invest heavily in a product that I might not even 
like.  So, I asked around and ultimately started perusing amazon.com and 
groupon.com.  Low and behold, one day, there it was- an apple 5 for less than 
$100.00.  Later on, I found a refurbished apple SE 16 G for somewhere in the 
200  to 300 price range.  I know the apple SE is the same size as the 5, and 
uses the same accessories.  So, that shouldn’t be an issue.  In sum, I think 
you will find something within your price range as long as you are patient and 
persistent.  

 

From: Bill Outman 

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

 

Hello, again list.  

 

I am concerned about the process of upgrading my 5S to a better model.  It is 
falling apart, as I have lost the physical mute switch and the touch screen is 
sitting on the phone and I have to be careful not to lose it.  The case has 
been gradually losing pieces.  I have had it for four years, so it is really 
overdue for a replacement.  

 

First, I am having trouble with the iOS 11 installation cycle.  It seems to be 
failing due to lack of capacity, but I’m not sure if this is really the issue.  
I am concerned about updating apps to accommodate this new version, and I 
vaguely recall hearing there is a way to tell which apps might have trouble 
working when I go from iOS 10 to 11. 

 

I worry about the transfer of my apps and data to a new phone, fearing I may 
lose somethingin the process.   I know I can back up the phone to iCloud, but 
am not sure if this is happening automaticallyofr if there is some step I need 
to take to do this just before the switch.  

 

When I get the new phone, will I need to reconnect my bluetooth devices, my 
keyboard, a tile I have on my key ring, and my headphones?  Will I need to 
replace these.  I also have a stand for my K-NFB reader I might need to 
replace, though admittedly I haven’t used it much.  

 

I am wondering what type of new iPhone I can or should get.  I bought the 5S 
through my local A. T. & T. store back in 2014.  It is fully paid off long 
since through my cell phone bill with them.  I know I could have taken a free 
upgrad from them at some point, but was unsure of what model I would have 
gotten, and I was afraid of going through the transfer process then.  Now I 
have to update with the phone falling apart, and don’t know what I can get and 
still have the same transfer fears.  

If I can’t get it free, I have fears about the cost of the new phone, or how 
much I can afford to allow the bill to increase to pay for it that way.  I am 
in a jam with my available credit.  

 

One other technical issue is the compatibility of my charger.   Will I have to 
replace it?  

 

One more issue is getting a protective case for the new iPhone.  The cost cost 
concerns me as this may have to be a separate purchase at another time.  

 

I would again appreciate someone helping work through this process.  

 

Bill Outman 

Email: wout...@earthlink.net 

 

 

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Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Maria Reyes]

I thought you could probably play your podcasts there like on an echo speaker. 
I don't own a Sonos system, so I don't know everything about it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:37:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I do have “Radio by Tune In” in my sources list, haven’t checked if I could add 
the Tune In version where you have to login/subscribe, this is the free version.
Why do you ask, I thought that was available on all Sonos systems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Does your sonos support TuneIn?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
what they come out with.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Sieghard,

I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple enjoys 
a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from allocating 
resources to making Siri more intelligent.

Alan

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Maria Reyes]

Either that, or they will add some in app purchases. Hopefully system keyboard 
isn't one of them although I would support the devs to keep on the development.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 8:28:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType


When I wrote and asked about price, they said "the main container app will be 
free" but they will charge for some updates, but they were not sure what that 
would look like at this point.
So that is all I know at this point. I do not know what is meant by container, 
but I'm guessing that is the basic app. It could be they are going to add the 
possibility of using it as an alternate keyboard.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:

Are they going to give it free to those who bought it before it got changed?  I 
am not going to buy it again, and who knows if they will change it to something 
else soon after we buy it like what they did the first time.

Cheers,

Cris

Twitter: http://m.twitter.com/@JerusalemBoy

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Mike,

No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type with 
since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter keys. If 
you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish to 
capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then do a 
single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType automatically 
capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have to worry about 
that.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B. 
> wrote:
Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for 
iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hello,

I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.

Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
at 
www.flicktype.com
 where there is a link to submit an email to sign up as a beta tester.

The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.

What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, 

re: On my iPod touch 6 where do I find the place to sign out in theAmazon app

[Vicky Collins]

I'm using an iPhone, but I'm hoping it will be in about the same 
place on your iPod.  I look for the show navigation menu button 
in the top left hand corner of the screen and double tap on it.  
I then flick right with one finger several times, going past such 
things as your account and your orders and today's deals, along 
the way.  When I finally get to settings, I double tap on it.  I 
then flick to the right just a few times, going past such things 
as country and language and notifications, till I get to 
something that says "Not Vicky? Sign out." I then double tap on 
this and I then get a screen where I can flick just a few times 
to the right to a sign out button and a cancel button and I can 
then double tap on that sign out button.

- Original Message -
From: "Jen ." 

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Richard Turner]

When I wrote and asked about price, they said "the main container app will be 
free" but they will charge for some updates, but they were not sure what that 
would look like at this point.
So that is all I know at this point. I do not know what is meant by container, 
but I'm guessing that is the basic app. It could be they are going to add the 
possibility of using it as an alternate keyboard.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:

Are they going to give it free to those who bought it before it got changed?  I 
am not going to buy it again, and who knows if they will change it to something 
else soon after we buy it like what they did the first time.

Cheers,

Cris

Twitter: http://m.twitter.com/@JerusalemBoy

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Mike,

No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type with 
since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter keys. If 
you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish to 
capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then do a 
single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType automatically 
capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have to worry about 
that.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B. 
> wrote:
Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for 
iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hello,

I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.

Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
at 
www.flicktype.com
 where there is a link to submit an email to sign up as a beta tester.

The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.

What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, simply single finger swipe once again and FlickType will place a 
period at the sentence end. You simply start typing the next word and FlickType 
will automatically capitalize it. Only letter keys are presented on the main 
FlickType keyboard which makes it very easy to rapidly type your text with only 
a single finger. To access other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 
finger swipe right or left to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such 
as a proper 

RE: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Cris Ali]

Are they going to give it free to those who bought it before it got changed?  I 
am not going to buy it again, and who knows if they will change it to something 
else soon after we buy it like what they did the first time.

Cheers,

Cris

Twitter: http://m.twitter.com/@JerusalemBoy

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Mike,

No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type with 
since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter keys. If 
you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish to 
capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then do a 
single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType automatically 
capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have to worry about 
that.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B. 
> wrote:
Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for 
iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hello,

I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.

Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit 
an email to sign up as a beta tester.

The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.

What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, simply single finger swipe once again and FlickType will place a 
period at the sentence end. You simply start typing the next word and FlickType 
will automatically capitalize it. Only letter keys are presented on the main 
FlickType keyboard which makes it very easy to rapidly type your text with only 
a single finger. To access other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 
finger swipe right or left to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such 
as a proper name, single finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and 
it will be capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to 
your custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended 
since that is what feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is 
done, do a 2 finger swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is 
reviewed for you and you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting in 
the app where you want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly 
recommend those unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just no 
substitute for typing even though dictation is very handy.

The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I understand it 
has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some point. Personally, 
I'm not too fussed about whether they 

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Alan Lemly]

Mike, 

No, the FlickType keyboard has no shift keys which makes it easier to type with 
since you only have to be concerned with the location of the letter keys. If 
you are manually typing a word such as a proper name which you wish to 
capitalize, you type the first letter which will be lower case and then do a 
single finger swipe up which will capitalize it. FlickType automatically 
capitalizes the first word in a new sentence so you don't have to worry about 
that. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
> have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about 
> this.  Thanks much.
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sennt from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message -
> From: Alan Lemly
> To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for iDevices.'
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
> Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.
>  
> Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed 
> Fleksy VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed 
> FlickType. Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta 
> testers of FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit 
> its website at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit an email to 
> sign up as a beta tester.
>  
> The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
> allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard 
> at about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The 
> keys were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision 
> and there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied 
> and pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail 
> or Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the 
> original Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest 
> acquired the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer 
> supported.
>  
> What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start 
> typing where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger 
> swipe right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you 
> wanted and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply 
> do a single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These 
> choices are all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just 
> start typing the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since 
> FlickType does that automatically. When you type the last word in the 
> sentence and FlickType has announced it, simply single finger swipe once 
> again and FlickType will place a period at the sentence end. You simply start 
> typing the next word and FlickType will automatically capitalize it. Only 
> letter keys are presented on the main FlickType keyboard which makes it very 
> easy to rapidly type your text with only a single finger. To access other 
> keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 finger swipe right or left to 
> cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such as a proper name, single 
> finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and it will be capitalized. 
> Any words or names you enter manually can be added to your custom dictionary 
> by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType announces the word. 
> Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended since that is what 
> feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is done, do a 2 finger 
> swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is reviewed for you and 
> you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting in the app where you 
> want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly recommend those 
> unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just no substitute for 
> typing even though dictation is very handy.
>  
> The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I understand 
> it has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some point. 
> Personally, I'm not too fussed about whether they ever do this since my 
> experience with Fleksy was that it became much less usable and efficient in 
> my opinion once it became an iOS keyboard. I find that even with the 
> FlickType separate app and having to copy and paste its output as was the 
> case with Fleksy VO that I can still output text much more quickly than with 
> either the standard iOS keyboard or with the Fleksy keyboard.
>  
> Here is a link to the AppleVis site announcing Fleksy becoming the latest 
> inductee into the 

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Jeffrey Turner]

A flick up with one finger capitalizes a letter.


On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I believe it’s done with a gesture of some sort.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType
 
Hi Alan,
 
After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly 
To: VIPhone Email List  ; 'Support for 
iDevices.' 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType
 
Hello,
 
I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.
 
Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
atwww.flicktype.com  where there is a link to submit 
an email to sign up as a beta tester.
 
The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.
 
What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, simply single finger swipe once again and FlickType will place a 
period at the sentence end. You simply start typing the next word and FlickType 
will automatically capitalize it. Only letter keys are presented on the main 
FlickType keyboard which makes it very easy to rapidly type your text with only 
a single finger. To access other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 
finger swipe right or left to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such 
as a proper name, single finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and 
it will be capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to 
your custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended 
since that is what feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is 
done, do a 2 finger swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is 
reviewed for you and you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting in 
the app where you want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly 
recommend those unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just no 
substitute for typing even though dictation is very handy.
 
The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I understand it 
has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some point. Personally, 
I'm not too fussed about whether they ever do this since my experience with 
Fleksy was that it became much less usable and efficient in my opinion once it 
became an iOS keyboard. I find that even with the FlickType separate app and 
having to copy and paste its output as was the case with Fleksy VO that I can 
still output text much more quickly than with either the standard iOS keyboard 
or with the Fleksy keyboard.
 
Here is a link to the AppleVis site announcing Fleksy becoming the latest 
inductee into the AppleVis App Hall of Fame for those wanting to review a 
little history:
 

RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I do have “Radio by Tune In” in my sources list, haven’t checked if I could add 
the Tune In version where you have to login/subscribe, this is the free version.
Why do you ask, I thought that was available on all Sonos systems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Does your sonos support TuneIn?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
what they come out with.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Sieghard,

I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple enjoys 
a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from allocating 
resources to making Siri more intelligent.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Yes, it's all the basic stuff and after over 6 years of SIRI the thing still 
doesn't even support multiple timers. I guess if you are heating up 

RE: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I believe it’s done with a gesture of some sort.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this keyboard 
have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything about this. 
 Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for 
iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

Hello,

I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.

Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed Fleksy 
VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed FlickType. 
Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as beta testers of 
FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can visit its website 
at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit 
an email to sign up as a beta tester.

The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did not 
allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a keyboard at 
about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait mode. The keys 
were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with any vision and 
there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had to be copied and 
pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in such as your Mail or 
Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein since it uses the original 
Fleksy source code which went into the public domain after Pinterest acquired 
the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy VO was no longer supported.

What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start typing 
where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger swipe 
right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you wanted 
and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply do a 
single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These choices are 
all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you just start typing 
the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since FlickType does that 
automatically. When you type the last word in the sentence and FlickType has 
announced it, simply single finger swipe once again and FlickType will place a 
period at the sentence end. You simply start typing the next word and FlickType 
will automatically capitalize it. Only letter keys are presented on the main 
FlickType keyboard which makes it very easy to rapidly type your text with only 
a single finger. To access other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 
finger swipe right or left to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such 
as a proper name, single finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and 
it will be capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to 
your custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended 
since that is what feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is 
done, do a 2 finger swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is 
reviewed for you and you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting in 
the app where you want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly 
recommend those unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just no 
substitute for typing even though dictation is very handy.

The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I understand it 
has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some point. Personally, 
I'm not too fussed about whether they ever do this since my experience with 
Fleksy was that it became much less usable and efficient in my opinion once it 
became an iOS keyboard. I find that even with the FlickType separate app and 
having to copy and paste its output as was the case with Fleksy VO that I can 
still output text much more quickly than with either the standard iOS keyboard 
or with the Fleksy keyboard.

Here is a link to the AppleVis site announcing Fleksy becoming the latest 
inductee into the AppleVis App Hall of Fame for those wanting to review a 
little history:

https://www.applevis.com/blog/ios-apps-advocacy-applevis/fleksy-becomes-latest-inductee-applevis-ios-app-hall-fame

I wish David Woodbridge's excellent podcast on the original Fleksy app was 
still available on AppleVis but apparently it no longer is due to its age.

For those interested in signing 

RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Tara,

You said you hope Apple will not improve the Homepod? I would say most people 
hope they will improve it!
One thing I don’t find easy with Alexa is that if you install a lot of skills 
you have to always remember their invocation word or phrase, if you talk to the 
thing wrong it won’t do much.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

I have tried all three. And I would rank homepod  at number three google home 
at number to an echo at number one. Apples HomePod is nowhere close to Amazon‘s 
echo when it comes to the variety and  options available
And I share your concern but do not hope that Apple in their arrogance are  
trying to improve home pod anytime soon

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
what they come out with.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Sieghard,

I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple enjoys 
a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from allocating 
resources to making Siri more intelligent.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Yes, it's all the basic stuff and after over 6 years of SIRI the thing still 
doesn't even support multiple 

Re: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType

[Mike B.]

Hi Alan,

After doing some readingabout this app I have 1 question.  Does this 
keyboard have a shift key for capitalizing letters?  I didn't catch anything 
about this.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Lemly
To: VIPhone Email List ; 'Support for iDevices.'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: Fleksy VO Coming Back as FlickType


Hello,



I'm posting this to both viphone and iDevices.



Those of you who ever experienced the original Fleksy app later renamed 
Fleksy VO will be excited to learn that the app is coming back renamed 
FlickType. Those who don't know what I'm talking about should sign up as 
beta testers of FlickType and give it a go and submit your feedback. You can 
visit its website at www.flicktype.com where there is a link to submit an 
email to sign up as a beta tester.



The original Fleksy which was released about 2012 came out when Apple did 
not allow third party keyboards. It was a separate app that presented a 
keyboard at about a third of the bottom of your iPhone screen in portrait 
mode. The keys were oversized in a high contrast presentation for those with 
any vision and there was no spacebar. Any content produced with Fleksy had 
to be copied and pasted into whatever app you wanted to send the text in 
such as your Mail or Messages app. FlickType continues in the same vein 
since it uses the original Fleksy source code which went into the public 
domain after Pinterest acquired the Fleksy Keyboard and the original Fleksy 
VO was no longer supported.



What is great about FlickType is its predictive engine. You simply start 
typing where you think the keys you want are located and do a single finger 
swipe right when you're done. FlickType will announce the word it thinks you 
wanted and more times than not will get it right. If it's not right, simply 
do a single finger swipe down to cycle through its other choices. These 
choices are all presented audibly and when you hear the correct one, you 
just start typing the next word. You don't need to insert any spaces since 
FlickType does that automatically. When you type the last word in the 
sentence and FlickType has announced it, simply single finger swipe once 
again and FlickType will place a period at the sentence end. You simply 
start typing the next word and FlickType will automatically capitalize it. 
Only letter keys are presented on the main FlickType keyboard which makes it 
very easy to rapidly type your text with only a single finger. To access 
other keys such as numbers or symbols, you do a 2 finger swipe right or left 
to cycle through these. To capitalize a letter such as a proper name, single 
finger swipe down after you've entered the letter and it will be 
capitalized. Any words or names you enter manually can be added to your 
custom dictionary by doing a single finger swipe up after FlickType 
announces the word. Developing a complete dictionary is highly recommended 
since that is what feeds FlickType's predictive engine. When your typing is 
done, do a 2 finger swipe up to access the FlickType menu where your text is 
reviewed for you and you can access the menu choices to copy it for pasting 
in the app where you want it to go. It is very easy to learn and I strongly 
recommend those unfamiliar with it to try it since sometimes there is just 
no substitute for typing even though dictation is very handy.



The FlickType developer who is the original Fleksy developer as I understand 
it has said they hope to have a FlickType iOS keyboard at some point. 
Personally, I'm not too fussed about whether they ever do this since my 
experience with Fleksy was that it became much less usable and efficient in 
my opinion once it became an iOS keyboard. I find that even with the 
FlickType separate app and having to copy and paste its output as was the 
case with Fleksy VO that I can still output text much more quickly than with 
either the standard iOS keyboard or with the Fleksy keyboard.



Here is a link to the AppleVis site announcing Fleksy becoming the latest 
inductee into the AppleVis App Hall of Fame for those wanting to review a 
little history:



https://www.applevis.com/blog/ios-apps-advocacy-applevis/fleksy-becomes-latest-inductee-applevis-ios-app-hall-fame



I wish David Woodbridge's excellent podcast on the original Fleksy app was 
still available on AppleVis but apparently it no longer is due to its age.



For those interested in signing up as beta testers of FlickType, go to the 
website previously mentioned. You'll have to install TestFlight on your 
device which is required to beta test iOS apps but I think you'll find the 
effort well worth it. You'll be given access to the FlickType app where you 
can start learning and using it.



Alan Lemly


-- 
The following 

RE: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Except you have to be careful if  you buy a used iPhone, another list member 
did this also only to found out that apparently the iPhone she bought was 
reported stolen and was blacklisted. Under $100 sounds good, but you can buy 
cheaper paper weights than that. I’m not saying you can’t buy used, just saying 
it’s always a risk.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

Hi Bill, I hear your concerns.  I am a fairly new iphone user and I had the 
same concerns about affordability of new iphone that you mentioned.  Add to 
that the fact that my flip phone was doing most of the things I wanted it to 
do, just very slowly lol!!  I couldn’t believe the asking price for new iphones 
and really did not want to invest heavily in a product that I might not even 
like.  So, I asked around and ultimately started perusing amazon.com and 
groupon.com.  Low and behold, one day, there it was- an apple 5 for less than 
$100.00.  Later on, I found a refurbished apple SE 16 G for somewhere in the 
200  to 300 price range.  I know the apple SE is the same size as the 5, and 
uses the same accessories.  So, that shouldn’t be an issue.  In sum, I think 
you will find something within your price range as long as you are patient and 
persistent.

From: Bill Outman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

Hello, again list.

I am concerned about the process of upgrading my 5S to a better model.  It is 
falling apart, as I have lost the physical mute switch and the touch screen is 
sitting on the phone and I have to be careful not to lose it.  The case has 
been gradually losing pieces.  I have had it for four years, so it is really 
overdue for a replacement.

First, I am having trouble with the iOS 11 installation cycle.  It seems to be 
failing due to lack of capacity, but I’m not sure if this is really the issue.  
I am concerned about updating apps to accommodate this new version, and I 
vaguely recall hearing there is a way to tell which apps might have trouble 
working when I go from iOS 10 to 11.

I worry about the transfer of my apps and data to a new phone, fearing I may 
lose somethingin the process.   I know I can back up the phone to iCloud, but 
am not sure if this is happening automaticallyofr if there is some step I need 
to take to do this just before the switch.

When I get the new phone, will I need to reconnect my bluetooth devices, my 
keyboard, a tile I have on my key ring, and my headphones?  Will I need to 
replace these.  I also have a stand for my K-NFB reader I might need to 
replace, though admittedly I haven’t used it much.

I am wondering what type of new iPhone I can or should get.  I bought the 5S 
through my local A. T. & T. store back in 2014.  It is fully paid off long 
since through my cell phone bill with them.  I know I could have taken a free 
upgrad from them at some point, but was unsure of what model I would have 
gotten, and I was afraid of going through the transfer process then.  Now I 
have to update with the phone falling apart, and don’t know what I can get and 
still have the same transfer fears.
If I can’t get it free, I have fears about the cost of the new phone, or how 
much I can afford to allow the bill to increase to pay for it that way.  I am 
in a jam with my available credit.

One other technical issue is the compatibility of my charger.   Will I have to 
replace it?

One more issue is getting a protective case for the new iPhone.  The cost cost 
concerns me as this may have to be a separate purchase at another time.

I would again appreciate someone helping work through this process.

Bill Outman
Email: wout...@earthlink.net


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Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[TaraPrakash]

I have tried all three. And I would rank homepod  at number three google home 
at number to an echo at number one. Apples HomePod is nowhere close to Amazon‘s 
echo when it comes to the variety and  options available
And I share your concern but do not hope that Apple in their arrogance are  
trying to improve home pod anytime soon
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
> resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod 
> which uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is 
> and also Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really 
> dominant. My problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers 
> using 3 different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android 
> phone. I know some people own iPhones, 
> Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
> hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
> necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
> sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
> the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
> said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
> when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
> primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
> realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
> weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
> timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
> function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
> them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
> date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
> it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
> iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen 
> is covered.
> As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
> Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
> enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that 
> it can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s 
> not available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find 
> out.
> In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all 
> have weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more 
> capable over the next years.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Reyes
> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
> what they come out with.
>  
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
> Lemly 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
>  
> Sieghard,
> 
> I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
> devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
> far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple 
> enjoys a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from 
> allocating resources to making Siri more intelligent.
> 
> Alan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support
> 
> Yes, it's all the basic stuff and after over 6 years of SIRI the thing still 
> doesn't even support multiple timers. I guess if you are heating up Pizza a 
> single timer is OK, but if you are cooking something more elaborate where you 
> want a 45 minute timer so you know when the scalopped potatos need to come 
> out of the oven, you then want a 15 minute timer for something else and a 
> 3-minute timer because you don't want to overdo the garlic which you put in 
> the saute pan then SIRI is useless and it's Alexa to the rescue.
> Oh yes, and the article forgot to mention that translation doesn't even work 
> in Canada where last time I checked we also spoke English. I think SIRI must 
> be one of Apple's biggest, unacknowledged embarrassments ever as it can do 
> little more now in 2018 than it could do when it came out in 2011..
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 

RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

[Cris Ali]

Here is the description of the eye-d-pro app from the android play store:
$5.49 Buy
Description
What’s new Eye-D Pro and What on the way:

•   Read Text Offline (Now read Latin based language texts even when you 
are not connected to the internet)
• Eye-D Market
• Advanced OCR (Available in Eye-D market for reading multiple languages, 
sharing, saving the recognised text and many more)
• Accessible Camera (Now use both the front and back cameras to click photos 
that recognise faces and tell about the lighting condition)
• New and Improved Around Me (Now you can check the rating, call a place 
directly from the Eye-D App)
•  Travel Mode with sticky notification in notification drawer
•  Improved GPS accuracy with accuracy count
•  Search Option in Around Me
•  Scene Recognition in See Object (Coming Soon)
• New grid layout to make space for more features
• Ad Free (We know ads are irritating but we had our reasons for incorporating 
them and now you get a change to get rid of it by going PRO)
• Expect more (We will continue adding features and improve performance 
regularly)

Check free version of the Eye-D App for details :


Regards,

Cris
Twitter: http://m.twitter.com/@JerusalemBoy
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

The Eye-D first came for the android OS.  It came with the free version and the 
paid pro version.  As far as I know, what we have for the iOS is only the free 
light version, and in the near future they will release the paid-pro version 
for the iOS. which has many more features.

Cheers,

Cris

From: martin.eatherley via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

HiRichard, It sounds very interesting, and will have a go at it, as always good 
to know whats out there!

And by the way, only  just come on this group and have been  blown away by the 
knowledge of everyone!

Martin

UK






Greetings,

Below is the app store information about this app, followed by my initial 
review.  Note that the name is spelled E y e hyphen d.

Eye-D, free, by GingerMind  
   Technologies Pvt. Ltd.

App store description:

Eye-D is a movement propelled by the visually impaired community with help of 
Team Eye-D. We vouch to empower the VI by providing easy access to cutting edge
technology! Eye-D is here to assit
the visually imapired
in independent living by helping them evaluate the world around them with help 
of their smartphone.  It will work as your companion when you travel, help you 
explore places, tell
yiu about the objects
in front of you and read text whenever you need. This is what we have built for 
you: • Where Am I: Be it the busiest suburbs of Mumbai or the loneliest roads 
of Siberia, whether you are a common man or zombie, Eye-D will make sure that 
you are never lost.
Tap on “Where Am I” and let the magic happen. You get to know your location 
with a list of landmarks nearby. Found any of the landmark interesting? Then 
why wait tap the preferred landmark and Eye-D guides you to it with directions 
(currently by opening Apple/
Google maps for navigation). • Around Me: Stuck in an alien town? Calm down, 
fire the Eye-D app and select “Around Me”. Bingo!! You can now find ATM’s, 
Banks, Bus stops, Cinemas, Restaurants, Hospitals, Stores and even the 
Religious places nearby. Select the
desired category and navigate to the preferred place. To ensure that you never 
miss out a place we have provided a search radius controller. So the next time 
you don’t find a relevant place nearby try adjusting the search radius to 
anything in the range of
500 to 5500 meters. What? Still in that alien town? Come-on find the nearest 
bus stop and head out. • See Object: I’m facing the gate… No the lemon tree…. 
No the bike, Easy pal!! Use the See Object mode in the Eye-D app to evaluate 
your surroundings. Click
on this mode, take a picture and Eye-D app will tell you what’s in front. So 
the next time you are standing at the window use the See Object mode to check 
what’s happening on the other side. In case you missed the description the 
first time simply swipe right
to hear again. • Read Text: We designed this feature so that next time your 
visit a restaurant or want to get a novel for you friend you won’t have to ask 
anyone for help. Open read text mode, click a picture and Eye-D app will read 
the text in front you.
You can swipe right to hear the text again in case you missed it the first 
time. • Contact Us: Love the app? Have a suggestion for the team? Found a bug? 
Please use this mode to talk to us. We would love to hear from you. Connect 
with us on social media:
http://facebook.com/HelloEyeD/
http://twitter.com/HelloEyeD

Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

[kitty hevener]

Hi Bill, I hear your concerns.  I am a fairly new iphone user and I had the 
same concerns about affordability of new iphone that you mentioned.  Add to 
that the fact that my flip phone was doing most of the things I wanted it to 
do, just very slowly lol!!  I couldn’t believe the asking price for new iphones 
and really did not want to invest heavily in a product that I might not even 
like.  So, I asked around and ultimately started perusing amazon.com and 
groupon.com.  Low and behold, one day, there it was- an apple 5 for less than 
$100.00.  Later on, I found a refurbished apple SE 16 G for somewhere in the 
200  to 300 price range.  I know the apple SE is the same size as the 5, and 
uses the same accessories.  So, that shouldn’t be an issue.  In sum, I think 
you will find something within your price range as long as you are patient and 
persistent.  

From: Bill Outman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S

Hello, again list.  

 

I am concerned about the process of upgrading my 5S to a better model.  It is 
falling apart, as I have lost the physical mute switch and the touch screen is 
sitting on the phone and I have to be careful not to lose it.  The case has 
been gradually losing pieces.  I have had it for four years, so it is really 
overdue for a replacement.  

 

First, I am having trouble with the iOS 11 installation cycle.  It seems to be 
failing due to lack of capacity, but I’m not sure if this is really the issue.  
I am concerned about updating apps to accommodate this new version, and I 
vaguely recall hearing there is a way to tell which apps might have trouble 
working when I go from iOS 10 to 11. 

 

I worry about the transfer of my apps and data to a new phone, fearing I may 
lose somethingin the process.   I know I can back up the phone to iCloud, but 
am not sure if this is happening automaticallyofr if there is some step I need 
to take to do this just before the switch.  

 

When I get the new phone, will I need to reconnect my bluetooth devices, my 
keyboard, a tile I have on my key ring, and my headphones?  Will I need to 
replace these.  I also have a stand for my K-NFB reader I might need to 
replace, though admittedly I haven’t used it much.  

 

I am wondering what type of new iPhone I can or should get.  I bought the 5S 
through my local A. T. & T. store back in 2014.  It is fully paid off long 
since through my cell phone bill with them.  I know I could have taken a free 
upgrad from them at some point, but was unsure of what model I would have 
gotten, and I was afraid of going through the transfer process then.  Now I 
have to update with the phone falling apart, and don’t know what I can get and 
still have the same transfer fears.  

If I can’t get it free, I have fears about the cost of the new phone, or how 
much I can afford to allow the bill to increase to pay for it that way.  I am 
in a jam with my available credit.  

 

One other technical issue is the compatibility of my charger.   Will I have to 
replace it?  

 

One more issue is getting a protective case for the new iPhone.  The cost cost 
concerns me as this may have to be a separate purchase at another time.  

 

I would again appreciate someone helping work through this process.  

 

Bill Outman 

Email: wout...@earthlink.net 

 

 

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Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Maria Reyes]

Does your sonos support TuneIn?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:19:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
what they come out with.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Sieghard,

I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple enjoys 
a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from allocating 
resources to making Siri more intelligent.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Yes, it's all the basic stuff and after over 6 years of SIRI the thing still 
doesn't even support multiple timers. I guess if you are heating up Pizza a 
single timer is OK, but if you are cooking something more elaborate where you 
want a 45 minute timer so you know when the scalopped potatos need to come out 
of the oven, you then want a 15 minute timer for something else and a 3-minute 
timer because you don't want to overdo the garlic which you put in the saute 
pan then SIRI is useless and it's Alexa to the rescue.
Oh yes, and the article forgot to mention that translation doesn't even work in 
Canada where last time I checked we also spoke English. I think SIRI must be 
one of Apple's biggest, unacknowledged embarrassments ever as it can do little 
more now in 2018 than it could do when it came out in 2011..

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original 

RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

[Cris Ali]

The Eye-D first came for the android OS.  It came with the free version and the 
paid pro version.  As far as I know, what we have for the iOS is only the free 
light version, and in the near future they will release the paid-pro version 
for the iOS. which has many more features.

Cheers,

Cris

From: martin.eatherley via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

HiRichard, It sounds very interesting, and will have a go at it, as always good 
to know whats out there!

And by the way, only  just come on this group and have been  blown away by the 
knowledge of everyone!

Martin

UK






Greetings,

Below is the app store information about this app, followed by my initial 
review.  Note that the name is spelled E y e hyphen d.

Eye-D, free, by GingerMind  
   Technologies Pvt. Ltd.

App store description:

Eye-D is a movement propelled by the visually impaired community with help of 
Team Eye-D. We vouch to empower the VI by providing easy access to cutting edge
technology! Eye-D is here to assit
the visually imapired
in independent living by helping them evaluate the world around them with help 
of their smartphone.  It will work as your companion when you travel, help you 
explore places, tell
yiu about the objects
in front of you and read text whenever you need. This is what we have built for 
you: • Where Am I: Be it the busiest suburbs of Mumbai or the loneliest roads 
of Siberia, whether you are a common man or zombie, Eye-D will make sure that 
you are never lost.
Tap on “Where Am I” and let the magic happen. You get to know your location 
with a list of landmarks nearby. Found any of the landmark interesting? Then 
why wait tap the preferred landmark and Eye-D guides you to it with directions 
(currently by opening Apple/
Google maps for navigation). • Around Me: Stuck in an alien town? Calm down, 
fire the Eye-D app and select “Around Me”. Bingo!! You can now find ATM’s, 
Banks, Bus stops, Cinemas, Restaurants, Hospitals, Stores and even the 
Religious places nearby. Select the
desired category and navigate to the preferred place. To ensure that you never 
miss out a place we have provided a search radius controller. So the next time 
you don’t find a relevant place nearby try adjusting the search radius to 
anything in the range of
500 to 5500 meters. What? Still in that alien town? Come-on find the nearest 
bus stop and head out. • See Object: I’m facing the gate… No the lemon tree…. 
No the bike, Easy pal!! Use the See Object mode in the Eye-D app to evaluate 
your surroundings. Click
on this mode, take a picture and Eye-D app will tell you what’s in front. So 
the next time you are standing at the window use the See Object mode to check 
what’s happening on the other side. In case you missed the description the 
first time simply swipe right
to hear again. • Read Text: We designed this feature so that next time your 
visit a restaurant or want to get a novel for you friend you won’t have to ask 
anyone for help. Open read text mode, click a picture and Eye-D app will read 
the text in front you.
You can swipe right to hear the text again in case you missed it the first 
time. • Contact Us: Love the app? Have a suggestion for the team? Found a bug? 
Please use this mode to talk to us. We would love to hear from you. Connect 
with us on social media:
http://facebook.com/HelloEyeD/
http://twitter.com/HelloEyeD




What's New: Version 1.1.1, 6d ago, This version of Eye-D includes all key 
features that will help you explore places, be location aware, evaluate 
surroundings
and read text. Do not forget to share images with Eye-D Vision!

Please use the contact us feature to share your feedback/ suggestions. We will 
look forward to hear from you :)




I was told about this app from someone who seems to think it will replace 
BlindSquare.

I don't think so.  While it is free and does some similar things and has some 
features like Seeing AI, you cannot search for a specific address or business, 
you
have to pick from their list of Points Of Interest and their list is somewhat 
limited.  I checked under its store/supermarkets category, and while it found a 
lot of ones in the radius allowed, it missed two Safeway stores and a Fred 
Meyer.  The one Safeway
store is much closer than several of the ones it found.

Its picture descriptions are OK, and I have not tried its text recognition as 
yet.

Once you pick a point of interest, it will open Google Maps to get turn-by-turn 
directions.

Here is the app store link:

Eye-D by GingerMind Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/eye-d/id1354363634?mt=8




Just thought I'd share what I've found,

Richard








“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch
Albom from The Magic
Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1







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The following 

RE: Eye-d, a free orientation app

[martin.eatherley via VIPhone]

HiRichard, It sounds very interesting, and will have a go at it, as always good 
to know whats out there!

And by the way, only  just come on this group and have been  blown away by the 
knowledge of everyone!

Martin

UK






Greetings,

Below is the app store information about this app, followed by my initial 
review.  Note that the name is spelled E y e hyphen d.

Eye-D, free, by GingerMind   Technologies Pvt. Ltd.

App store description:

Eye-D is a movement propelled by the visually impaired community with help of 
Team Eye-D. We vouch to empower the VI by providing easy access to cutting edge
 technology! Eye-D is here to assit
 the visually imapired
 in independent living by helping them evaluate the world around them with help 
of their smartphone.  It will work as your companion when you travel, help you 
explore places, tell
yiu about the objects
 in front of you and read text whenever you need. This is what we have built 
for you: • Where Am I: Be it the busiest suburbs of Mumbai or the loneliest 
roads of Siberia, whether you are a common man or zombie, Eye-D will make sure 
that you are never lost.
 Tap on “Where Am I” and let the magic happen. You get to know your location 
with a list of landmarks nearby. Found any of the landmark interesting? Then 
why wait tap the preferred landmark and Eye-D guides you to it with directions 
(currently by opening Apple/
 Google maps for navigation). • Around Me: Stuck in an alien town? Calm down, 
fire the Eye-D app and select “Around Me”. Bingo!! You can now find ATM’s, 
Banks, Bus stops, Cinemas, Restaurants, Hospitals, Stores and even the 
Religious places nearby. Select the
 desired category and navigate to the preferred place. To ensure that you never 
miss out a place we have provided a search radius controller. So the next time 
you don’t find a relevant place nearby try adjusting the search radius to 
anything in the range of
 500 to 5500 meters. What? Still in that alien town? Come-on find the nearest 
bus stop and head out. • See Object: I’m facing the gate… No the lemon tree…. 
No the bike, Easy pal!! Use the See Object mode in the Eye-D app to evaluate 
your surroundings. Click
 on this mode, take a picture and Eye-D app will tell you what’s in front. So 
the next time you are standing at the window use the See Object mode to check 
what’s happening on the other side. In case you missed the description the 
first time simply swipe right
 to hear again. • Read Text: We designed this feature so that next time your 
visit a restaurant or want to get a novel for you friend you won’t have to ask 
anyone for help. Open read text mode, click a picture and Eye-D app will read 
the text in front you.
 You can swipe right to hear the text again in case you missed it the first 
time. • Contact Us: Love the app? Have a suggestion for the team? Found a bug? 
Please use this mode to talk to us. We would love to hear from you. Connect 
with us on social media:
http://facebook.com/HelloEyeD/ 
http://twitter.com/HelloEyeD




What's New: Version 1.1.1, 6d ago, This version of Eye-D includes all key 
features that will help you explore places, be location aware, evaluate 
surroundings
 and read text. Do not forget to share images with Eye-D Vision! 

Please use the contact us feature to share your feedback/ suggestions. We will 
look forward to hear from you :)




I was told about this app from someone who seems to think it will replace 
BlindSquare.

I don't think so.  While it is free and does some similar things and has some 
features like Seeing AI, you cannot search for a specific address or business, 
you
 have to pick from their list of Points Of Interest and their list is somewhat 
limited.  I checked under its store/supermarkets category, and while it found a 
lot of ones in the radius allowed, it missed two Safeway stores and a Fred 
Meyer.  The one Safeway
 store is much closer than several of the ones it found.

Its picture descriptions are OK, and I have not tried its text recognition as 
yet.  

Once you pick a point of interest, it will open Google Maps to get turn-by-turn 
directions.

Here is the app store link:

Eye-D by GingerMind Technologies Pvt. Ltd. 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/eye-d/id1354363634?mt=8




Just thought I'd share what I've found,

Richard








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- Mitch
Albom from The Magic
 Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1







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RE: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Arlene,
But I have the list.  I was checking in case I needed to send it to you.

Glad things are getting sorted out.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

hI, rICHARD, WITH WHAT YOU TOLD ME IN THIS MESSAGE BELOW HELPED, AND i DO HAVE 
ABOUT 3 LISTS OF COMMANDS, i SHOULD GO TO APPLEVIS FOR WHATEVER ELSE i COULD 
FIND. i JIGHT HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ABOUT COMMANDS, HERE'S ABOUT 3 DIFFERENT 
LISTS THAT i GOT FROM THIS LIST ANOTHER LIST, AND SOMD OF IT HAS THE SAME 
INFORMATION
I have this document, hopefully it is helpful. I believe most if not all of 
these
keystrokes still work.
Use VoiceOver keyboard commands to navigate the screen, select items, read 
screen
contents, adjust the rotor, and perform other VoiceOver actions. For
the commands, you can use the Control-Option key combination or the Caps Lock 
key,
abbreviated in the list that follows as “VO.” (To choose a modifier
key, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Modifier Keys.)
You can use VoiceOver Help to learn the keyboard layout and the actions 
associated
with various key combinations. VoiceOver Help speaks keys and keyboard
commands as you type them, without performing the associated action.
VoiceOver keyboard commands
VO = Control-Option
list of 25 items
• Turn on VoiceOver Help: VO–K
• Turn off VoiceOver Help: Escape
• Select the next or previous item: VO–Right Arrow or VO–Left Arrow
• Double-tap to activate the selected item: VO–Space bar
• Press the Home button: VO–H
• Touch and hold the selected item: VO–Shift–M
• Move to the status bar: VO–M
• Read from the current position: VO–A
• Read from the top: VO–B
• Pause or resume reading: Control
• Copy the last spoken text to the clipboard: VO–Shift–C
• Search for text: VO–F
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO–S
• Open Notification Center: Fn–VO–Up Arrow
• Open Control Center: Fn–VO–Down Arrow
• Open the Item Chooser: VO–I
• Change the label of the selected item: VO–/
• Double-tap with two fingers: VO–”-”
• Adjust the rotor: Use Quick Nav (see below)
• Swipe up or down: VO–Up Arrow or VO–Down Arrow
• Adjust the speech rotor: VO–Command–Left Arrow or VO–Command–Right Arrow
• Adjust the setting specified by the speech rotor: VO–Command–Up Arrow or 
VO–Command–Down
Arrow
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO–Shift–S
• Return to the previous screen: Escape
• Switch apps: Command–Tab or Command–Shift–Tab
list end
Quick Nav
Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys.
list of 7 items
• Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow–Right Arrow
• Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
• Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor: Up Arrow or Down 
Arrow
• Select the first or last item: Control–Up Arrow or Control–Down Arrow
• Tap an item: Up Arrow–Down Arrow
• Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option–Up Arrow, Option–Down Arrow, 
Option–Left
Arrow, or Option–Right Arrow
• Adjust the rotor: Up Arrow–Left Arrow or Up Arrow–Right Arrow
list end
You can also use the number keys on an Apple Wireless Keyboard to dial a phone 
number
in Phone or enter numbers in Calculator.
Single-key Quick Nav for web browsing
When you view a webpage with Quick Nav on, you can use the following keys on the
keyboard to navigate the page quickly. Typing the key moves to the next
item of the indicated type. To move to the previous item, hold the Shift key as 
you
type the letter.
list of 18 items
• Turn on Single-key Quick Nav: VO-Q
• Heading: H
• Link: L
• Text field: R
• Button: B
• Form control: C
• Image: I
• Table: T
• Static text: S
• ARIA landmark: W
• List: X
• Item of the same type: M
• Level 1 heading: 1
• Level 2 heading: 2
• Level 3 heading: 3
• Level 4 heading: 4
• Level 5 heading: 5
• Level 6 heading: 6
list end
Text editing
Use these commands (with Quick Nav turned off) to work with text. VoiceOver 
reads
the text as you move the insertion point.
list of 11 items
• Go forward or back one character: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
• Go forward or back one word: Option–Right Arrow or Option–Left Arrow
• Go up or down one line: Up Arrow or Down Arrow
• Go to the beginning or end of the line: Command–Left Arrow or Command–Down 
Arrow
• Go to the beginning or end of the paragraph: Option–Up Arrow or Option–Down 
Arrow
• Go to the previous or next paragraph: Option–Up Arrow or Option–Down Arrow
• Go to the top or bottom of the text field: Command–Up Arrow or Command–Down 
Arrow
• Select text as you move: Shift + any of the insertion point movement commands 
above
• Select all text: Command–A
• Copy, cut, or paste the selected text: Command–C, Command–X, or Command–V
• Undo or redo last change: Command–Z or Shift–Command–Z

From: 

RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

I hope Maria is right and I can’t possibly imagine why Apple would not put 
resources into improving SIRI especially since they now have the Homepod which 
uses SIRI is it’s only interface. I am sure they know how big Alexa is and also 
Google Home although I have a feeling Amazon is currently really dominant. My 
problem is that I don’t want to own 3 different smart speakers using 3 
different platforms just as I wouldn’t want an iPhone and an Android phone. I 
know some people own iPhones,
Android devices and even Amazon Fire devices, but I prefer to spend my 
hard-earned money on whatever platform I find is best for me and don’t 
necessarily think more devices give me more options or convenience. I think 
sometimes more is not better because you then spend so much time learning all 
the different systems, making sure you keep them updated and all that. Having 
said that my wife and I who both have iPhones also bought some Amazon Echos 
when Amazon finally offered them officially here in Canada. We use them 
primarily with our Philipps Hue lights, Lyric Thermostat and I recently 
realized I could install the Netatmo skill to ask about information from the 
weather station. We also use the one in the kitchen all the time for setting 
timers for cooking and baking and occasionally we use the Drop-in intercom 
function because I have also an Echo Dot in my office at work. I do also use 
them for conversions or if I want to know what day of the week a particular 
date is. Of course SIRI does conversions and the date thing just as well, but 
it’s usually easier to say “Alexa, how many Kg is 18 ounces” or whatever, my 
iPhone is often in my hipholster and “Hey SIRI” does not work if the screen is 
covered.
As I said before, Alexa does not do well for me when it comes to playing 
Podcasts and I have tried at least 4 times on different days and times to 
enable the Sonos skill but each time I get an error message telling me that it 
can’t connect to Sonos right now and to  try again later. I wonder if it’s not 
available here in Canada, have to call Sonos one of these days and find out.
In my opinion all the digital assistants have some strength, but they all have 
weaknesses and limitations and I look forward to them becoming more capable 
over the next years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Not really. Just last week they hired Google's Chief AI person, so we'll see 
what they come out with.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly >
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Sieghard,

I have to strongly agree with you. It seems apparent to me that Apple is 
devoting its resources to things other than making Siri smarter. Alexa is so 
far ahead of Siri that I hardly bother with Siri anymore. I expect Apple enjoys 
a much higher profit margin from its hardware devices than from allocating 
resources to making Siri more intelligent.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Yes, it's all the basic stuff and after over 6 years of SIRI the thing still 
doesn't even support multiple timers. I guess if you are heating up Pizza a 
single timer is OK, but if you are cooking something more elaborate where you 
want a 45 minute timer so you know when the scalopped potatos need to come out 
of the oven, you then want a 15 minute timer for something else and a 3-minute 
timer because you don't want to overdo the garlic which you put in the saute 
pan then SIRI is useless and it's Alexa to the rescue.
Oh yes, and the article forgot to mention that translation doesn't even work in 
Canada where last time I checked we also spoke English. I think SIRI must be 
one of Apple's biggest, unacknowledged embarrassments ever as it can do little 
more now in 2018 than it could do when it came out in 2011..

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do more with Siri on HomePod, Apple Support

Do more with Siri on HomePod
>From 

RE: Seeing AI help

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Also, it might help if you can ask a sighted friend or family menber to observe 
you when you try to use the Document or barcode channels, they might be able to 
give you feedback which might help down the road.
All in all I still think that Seeing AI is an awesome tool offering so many 
features in one app and I commend Microsoft for developing this app. The nice 
thing is that Microsoft has the resources to continue development and updates 
and it is probably a lot less likely to be one of those apps which start so 
promising and then end in a fizzle before they disappear or simply remain in 
the app store for years without updates.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

Sounds like you are describing User Error in your post.
You can be assured that if the bar code is in focus it will read, assuming the 
code is in the data base.  The fast beeping is to guide you to the code.

When using Short Text mode, the app only needs to get a quick picture of the 
page.  You should then either move your device away or put your hand over the 
camera and just listen to it read.



-Original Message-
From: 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i wanted 
it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and then  
suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read it. it was 
so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could often waste 
more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only read a tiny part 
of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the short text channel 
but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it starts from the 
beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as often with 
blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and leaves you with 
frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message-
From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. 
Raise your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. 
This is a live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can pull 
the phone away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins to 
see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! 
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched 
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back and 
forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

[Arlene]

hI, rICHARD, WITH WHAT YOU TOLD ME IN THIS MESSAGE BELOW HELPED, AND i DO HAVE 
ABOUT 3 LISTS OF COMMANDS, i SHOULD GO TO APPLEVIS FOR WHATEVER ELSE i COULD 
FIND. i JIGHT HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ABOUT COMMANDS, HERE'S ABOUT 3 DIFFERENT 
LISTS THAT i GOT FROM THIS LIST ANOTHER LIST, AND SOMD OF IT HAS THE SAME 
INFORMATION
I have this document, hopefully it is helpful. I believe most if not all of 
these
keystrokes still work.
Use VoiceOver keyboard commands to navigate the screen, select items, read 
screen
contents, adjust the rotor, and perform other VoiceOver actions. For
the commands, you can use the Control-Option key combination or the Caps Lock 
key,
abbreviated in the list that follows as “VO.” (To choose a modifier
key, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Modifier Keys.)
You can use VoiceOver Help to learn the keyboard layout and the actions 
associated
with various key combinations. VoiceOver Help speaks keys and keyboard
commands as you type them, without performing the associated action.
VoiceOver keyboard commands
VO = Control-Option
list of 25 items
• Turn on VoiceOver Help: VO–K
• Turn off VoiceOver Help: Escape
• Select the next or previous item: VO–Right Arrow or VO–Left Arrow
• Double-tap to activate the selected item: VO–Space bar
• Press the Home button: VO–H
• Touch and hold the selected item: VO–Shift–M
• Move to the status bar: VO–M
• Read from the current position: VO–A
• Read from the top: VO–B
• Pause or resume reading: Control
• Copy the last spoken text to the clipboard: VO–Shift–C
• Search for text: VO–F
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO–S
• Open Notification Center: Fn–VO–Up Arrow
• Open Control Center: Fn–VO–Down Arrow
• Open the Item Chooser: VO–I
• Change the label of the selected item: VO–/
• Double-tap with two fingers: VO–”-”
• Adjust the rotor: Use Quick Nav (see below)
• Swipe up or down: VO–Up Arrow or VO–Down Arrow
• Adjust the speech rotor: VO–Command–Left Arrow or VO–Command–Right Arrow
• Adjust the setting specified by the speech rotor: VO–Command–Up Arrow or 
VO–Command–Down
Arrow
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO–Shift–S
• Return to the previous screen: Escape
• Switch apps: Command–Tab or Command–Shift–Tab
list end
Quick Nav
Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys.
list of 7 items
• Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow–Right Arrow
• Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
• Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor: Up Arrow or Down 
Arrow
• Select the first or last item: Control–Up Arrow or Control–Down Arrow
• Tap an item: Up Arrow–Down Arrow
• Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option–Up Arrow, Option–Down Arrow, 
Option–Left
Arrow, or Option–Right Arrow
• Adjust the rotor: Up Arrow–Left Arrow or Up Arrow–Right Arrow
list end
You can also use the number keys on an Apple Wireless Keyboard to dial a phone 
number
in Phone or enter numbers in Calculator.
Single-key Quick Nav for web browsing
When you view a webpage with Quick Nav on, you can use the following keys on the
keyboard to navigate the page quickly. Typing the key moves to the next
item of the indicated type. To move to the previous item, hold the Shift key as 
you
type the letter.
list of 18 items
• Turn on Single-key Quick Nav: VO-Q
• Heading: H
• Link: L
• Text field: R
• Button: B
• Form control: C
• Image: I
• Table: T
• Static text: S
• ARIA landmark: W
• List: X
• Item of the same type: M
• Level 1 heading: 1
• Level 2 heading: 2
• Level 3 heading: 3
• Level 4 heading: 4
• Level 5 heading: 5
• Level 6 heading: 6
list end
Text editing
Use these commands (with Quick Nav turned off) to work with text. VoiceOver 
reads
the text as you move the insertion point.
list of 11 items
• Go forward or back one character: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
• Go forward or back one word: Option–Right Arrow or Option–Left Arrow
• Go up or down one line: Up Arrow or Down Arrow
• Go to the beginning or end of the line: Command–Left Arrow or Command–Down 
Arrow
• Go to the beginning or end of the paragraph: Option–Up Arrow or Option–Down 
Arrow
• Go to the previous or next paragraph: Option–Up Arrow or Option–Down Arrow
• Go to the top or bottom of the text field: Command–Up Arrow or Command–Down 
Arrow
• Select text as you move: Shift + any of the insertion point movement commands 
above
• Select all text: Command–A
• Copy, cut, or paste the selected text: Command–C, Command–X, or Command–V
• Undo or redo last change: Command–Z or Shift–Command–Z

From: Paul Sandoval 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Using a keyboard with IOS
Voiceover key commands
QuickNav
General Navigation
table with 4 columns and 23 rows
Action
Keystroke (quick nav on)
Keystroke (quick nav off)
Equivalent Gesture
Toggle quick nav
left arrow * right arrow
left arrow * right arrow
N/A
Previous element
left arrow
VO + left arrow
flick left
Next element
right arrow
VO + right arrow
flick right
Previous element by roter
up arrow

Re: A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it has changed my life by Jonathan Mosen,

[lenron brown]

That was a really good read.

On 4/7/18, Arlene  wrote:
> Thank you, Richard. It sounds confusing but we'll try it.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Richard Turner
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 8:37 PM
>   Subject: Re: A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it
> has changed my life by Jonathan Mosen,
>
>
>
>
>   Hi,
>   If you want to select all, I used the rotor Text Selection, which is an
> Apple thing, not a Writer feature. You have to enable it in the VoiceOver
> Rotor Settings.
>   But, in Writer, there is a button to use for selecting smaller chunks, but
> it is kind of complicated to explain right now.
>   If you do not have Text Selection on your rotor, I would recommend going
> in the settings for Rotor and enabling it by double tapping on it so it says
> "selected."
>   HTH,
>   Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>   “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
> quieter.”
>
>   - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>
>
>   On Apr 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Arlene  wrote:
>
>
> Richard, where's text selection and writer? Thanks.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Richard Turner
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 7:23 PM
>   Subject: A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it
> has changed my life by Jonathan Mosen,
>
>
>
>
>   Greetings,
>   I decided to use text selection and select all before VoiceOver locked
> up, then copy and paste Mark's message into Writer, then it read well.
>   So, I copied it back out of Writer and am pasting it below. Hopefully,
> whatever was causing the problem is gone.
>   Here is Mark's entire message:
>   Hello Everyone,
>
>
>   I am posting the following article because it references an iOS app.
>
>
>   Mark
>
>
>   A review of Aira. What it is, how it works, and the ways it has
> changed my
>   life
>   by Jonathan Mosen, Posted on 03/04/2018
>
>
>   Introduction
>   Recently, I was pleased to attend the CSUN assistive technology
> conference.
>   I've had the privilege of going to 10 of these before, but it has been
> a few
>   years since I was there last.
>   When you're involved with an industry, you tend to watch developments
> so
>   closely that changes usually seem incremental. But occasionally,
> something
>   new comes along that is so game changing, it stops you in your tracks.
> For
>   me, San Diego-based Aira is one such technology. I am late to this
> party.
>   Aira has been rolling out for some time in the United States. And
> indeed, we
>   covered Aira in an edition of The Blind Side Podcast last year. But
> since
>   mentioning my Aira experience to people via outlet such as my Internet
> radio
>   show, The Mosen Explosion, I've learned that not everyone yet fully
>   understands what the service is or how it works. For those not
> familiar with
>   Aira, or who would like to read someone else's impressions of it, read
> on.
>   What is Aira
>   According to the company's website,
>   Aira is today's fastest growing assistive community. One tap of a
> button
>   instantly connects you with a sighted professional agent who delivers
> visual
>   assistance anytime and anywhere.
>   Here's what that means in practice. At present, Aira is a smart phone
> app,
>   available for iOS and Android. Since Aira is a service for blind
> people,
>   it's no surprise that the app is exemplary in terms of its
> accessibility.
>   And in iOS, it even sports Siri integration.
>   Using the app, you can connect via video, much like a FaceTime call,
> with
>   agents who can provide you with visual information. Audio quality is
>   excellent, far clearer than a standard cell phone connection.
> Essentially,
>   an Aira agent can tell you anything at all that a pair of functioning
> eyes
>   can see, plus perform a range of tasks pertaining to that
> information.
>   You can acquire the visual information using your smart phone's
> camera, or,
>   when you become a subscriber to the Aira service (Aira calls its
> customers
>   "explorers") you receive a pair of smart glasses. These are included
> as part
>   of your subscription, so there's no hardware cost upfront.
>   The service is available officially in the United States at present,
> where
>   Aira has an arrangement with AT Aira explorers receive an AT
> MiFi
>   device, allowing them to use the service on the go without the data
> consumed
>   by the video connection eating up a customer's own cellular plan. If
> you
>   have a cellular plan equipped with the personal hotspot feature, you
> are
>   free to pair your Aira glasses with your phone using that method. For
> those
>   with 

Re: A Different Question RE: Seeing AI help

[Richard Turner]

Karen,
Dave is right. You need iOS 11 for the product channel to work on a 5s. You are 
also missing the new Currency channel because you are on iOS 10.
So, once you replace that app, you will get both of those channels.
HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:16 AM, Dave 
> wrote:

Hi Karen, I think to receive all the channels, you have to update, to iOS 11, 
or iOS 11.3 as it is now.

Dave.


to

From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Different Question RE: Seeing AI help

I am using Seeing AI on a 5S.  I thought that at one time I had the Product 
channel, but hadn’t used it.  When I went to use it a couple of days ago, it 
was not there.  What I have is Short Text, Document, Person, Scene Preview, 
Color Preview, Handwriting Preview., and Light.

I have not updated my phone because I have one app that is not being updated, 
and I don’t want to loose the function of that app until I am very satisfied 
with the app I’m replacing it with.  I know that I will soon have to give in 
and make the switch.  But for now I am still using version 10.3.3.

I am really happy with Seeing AI.  It’s not perfect, but is far better than 
anything else I’ve tried.

Is the Product channel only available when using the latest IOS update?  Or am 
I missing something?

Karen P

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

I'm sorry you are having trouble. I use the document channel a lot and have 
about a 95 percent success rate with it reading the entire document. The times 
it doesn't, I've found that either the lighting is bad, or I'm not holding the 
phone correctly, or the printing is not very good.
The key with the document channel is that you have to hold the phone quite 
level, have the camera pointed more or less at the center of the page, and have 
it about 18 inches above the page. Plus, you need a clear contrast between the 
document and the surface the document is sitting on so Seeing AI can find the 
edges of the document.
If the Product channel is working some of the time, try and figure out exactly 
what you did those times because that is when you got the focus on the barcode 
at the right spot. I find unless there are specific reasons to use the barcode 
over just knowing what something is, TapTapSee is another good choice and 
sometimes faster than trying to find the barcode.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone 
> wrote:
quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i wanted 
it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and then  
suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read it. it was 
so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could often waste 
more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only read a tiny part 
of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the short text channel 
but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it starts from the 
beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as often with 
blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and leaves you with 
frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message- From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. Raise 
your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. This is a 
live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can pull the phone 
away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins to 
see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! I 
think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to 

RE: Seeing AI help

[Reg Sullivan]

Sounds like you are describing User Error in your post.
You can be assured that if the bar code is in focus it will read, assuming the 
code is in the data base.  The fast beeping is to guide you to the code.

When using Short Text mode, the app only needs to get a quick picture of the 
page.  You should then either move your device away or put your hand over the 
camera and just listen to it read.



-Original Message-
From: 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i 
wanted it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and 
then  suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read 
it. it was so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could 
often waste more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only 
read a tiny part of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the 
short text channel but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it 
starts from the beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as 
often with blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and 
leaves you with frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. 
Raise your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. 
This is a live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can 
pull the phone away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins 
to see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! 
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
and forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: A Different Question RE: Seeing AI help

[Dave]

Hi Karen, I think to receive all the channels, you have to update, to iOS 11, 
or iOS 11.3 as it is now.

Dave.


to 

From: Karen Poulakos 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: A Different Question RE: Seeing AI help

I am using Seeing AI on a 5S.  I thought that at one time I had the Product 
channel, but hadn’t used it.  When I went to use it a couple of days ago, it 
was not there.  What I have is Short Text, Document, Person, Scene Preview, 
Color Preview, Handwriting Preview., and Light.

 

I have not updated my phone because I have one app that is not being updated, 
and I don’t want to loose the function of that app until I am very satisfied 
with the app I’m replacing it with.  I know that I will soon have to give in 
and make the switch.  But for now I am still using version 10.3.3.

 

I am really happy with Seeing AI.  It’s not perfect, but is far better than 
anything else I’ve tried.

 

Is the Product channel only available when using the latest IOS update?  Or am 
I missing something?

 

Karen P

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

 

I'm sorry you are having trouble. I use the document channel a lot and have 
about a 95 percent success rate with it reading the entire document. The times 
it doesn't, I've found that either the lighting is bad, or I'm not holding the 
phone correctly, or the printing is not very good. 

The key with the document channel is that you have to hold the phone quite 
level, have the camera pointed more or less at the center of the page, and have 
it about 18 inches above the page. Plus, you need a clear contrast between the 
document and the surface the document is sitting on so Seeing AI can find the 
edges of the document.

If the Product channel is working some of the time, try and figure out exactly 
what you did those times because that is when you got the focus on the barcode 
at the right spot. I find unless there are specific reasons to use the barcode 
over just knowing what something is, TapTapSee is another good choice and 
sometimes faster than trying to find the barcode.

Richard

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i 
wanted it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and then  
suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read it. it was 
so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could often waste 
more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only read a tiny part 
of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the short text channel 
but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it starts from the 
beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as often with 
blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and leaves you with 
frustration with the lack of sight.

  Husna


  -Original Message- From: Tom Rash
  Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

  If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. Raise 
your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. This is a 
live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can pull the phone 
away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
  To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins to 
see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
  Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Seeing AI help

  Hello everyone,


  Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


  I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! 
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


  I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
  channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


  I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
  and forth.

  Is this how I should do it?


  Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


  Thank you,


  Terri

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A Different Question RE: Seeing AI help

[Karen Poulakos]

I am using Seeing AI on a 5S.  I thought that at one time I had the Product 
channel, but hadn’t used it.  When I went to use it a couple of days ago, it 
was not there.  What I have is Short Text, Document, Person, Scene Preview, 
Color Preview, Handwriting Preview., and Light.

 

I have not updated my phone because I have one app that is not being updated, 
and I don’t want to loose the function of that app until I am very satisfied 
with the app I’m replacing it with.  I know that I will soon have to give in 
and make the switch.  But for now I am still using version 10.3.3.

 

I am really happy with Seeing AI.  It’s not perfect, but is far better than 
anything else I’ve tried.

 

Is the Product channel only available when using the latest IOS update?  Or am 
I missing something?

 

Karen P

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI help

 

I'm sorry you are having trouble. I use the document channel a lot and have 
about a 95 percent success rate with it reading the entire document. The times 
it doesn't, I've found that either the lighting is bad, or I'm not holding the 
phone correctly, or the printing is not very good. 

The key with the document channel is that you have to hold the phone quite 
level, have the camera pointed more or less at the center of the page, and have 
it about 18 inches above the page. Plus, you need a clear contrast between the 
document and the surface the document is sitting on so Seeing AI can find the 
edges of the document.

If the Product channel is working some of the time, try and figure out exactly 
what you did those times because that is when you got the focus on the barcode 
at the right spot. I find unless there are specific reasons to use the barcode 
over just knowing what something is, TapTapSee is another good choice and 
sometimes faster than trying to find the barcode.

Richard

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i wanted 
it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and then  
suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read it. it was 
so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could often waste 
more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only read a tiny part 
of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the short text channel 
but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it starts from the 
beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as often with 
blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and leaves you with 
frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message- From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. Raise 
your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. This is a 
live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can pull the phone 
away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins to 
see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! I 
think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
and forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Voice Dream problems?

[Donna]

Hi

What version of IOS are you using? I had a similar problem before updating my 
iPhone to IOS a week ago. Have you tried using a different voice? Or deleting & 
reloading your preferred voice back into voicedream?  These are the only 
solutions that comes to mind being that you are using the latest update to 
voicedream.

Donna 
> 
> Hey guys,
> I’ve been using Voice Dream for a long time and for the most part it’s been 
> great! Starting about a month ago or so, I started encountering a really 
> annoying bug though. I’ll have Alex reading along and all of a sudden it will 
> just….stop. If I pick up my phone and hit the play button (in the app) it’ll 
> usually start working but I can usually only go about 10 minutes before this 
> happens again. Does anyone know if I can fix this or if it’s a bug with the 
> app? I would really like to get this fixed as I use this for both school and 
> recreational reading and it’s becoming really annoying to keep opening up the 
> app just to get the voice going again. I’ve tried uninstalling and 
> re-installing the app but that hasn’t fixed it. 
> Thanks for yawls help,
> Dan
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Re: Voice Dream problems?

[Richard Turner]

Have you cleared all other apps out of the app switcher and/or rebooted the 
phone?
If so, and this has still been happening, have you contacted the developer?
Write, supp...@voicedream.com

Or, have you tried another voice?
HTH,
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Dan > 
wrote:

Hey guys,
I’ve been using Voice Dream for a long time and for the most part it’s been 
great! Starting about a month ago or so, I started encountering a really 
annoying bug though. I’ll have Alex reading along and all of a sudden it will 
just….stop. If I pick up my phone and hit the play button (in the app) it’ll 
usually start working but I can usually only go about 10 minutes before this 
happens again. Does anyone know if I can fix this or if it’s a bug with the 
app? I would really like to get this fixed as I use this for both school and 
recreational reading and it’s becoming really annoying to keep opening up the 
app just to get the voice going again. I’ve tried uninstalling and 
re-installing the app but that hasn’t fixed it.
Thanks for yawls help,
Dan

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Re: Seeing AI help

[Richard Turner]

I'm sorry you are having trouble. I use the document channel a lot and have 
about a 95 percent success rate with it reading the entire document. The times 
it doesn't, I've found that either the lighting is bad, or I'm not holding the 
phone correctly, or the printing is not very good.
The key with the document channel is that you have to hold the phone quite 
level, have the camera pointed more or less at the center of the page, and have 
it about 18 inches above the page. Plus, you need a clear contrast between the 
document and the surface the document is sitting on so Seeing AI can find the 
edges of the document.
If the Product channel is working some of the time, try and figure out exactly 
what you did those times because that is when you got the focus on the barcode 
at the right spot. I find unless there are specific reasons to use the barcode 
over just knowing what something is, TapTapSee is another good choice and 
sometimes faster than trying to find the barcode.
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, 'Husna Begum' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i wanted 
it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and then  
suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read it. it was 
so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could often waste 
more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only read a tiny part 
of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the short text channel 
but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it starts from the 
beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as often with 
blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and leaves you with 
frustration with the lack of sight.

Husna


-Original Message- From: Tom Rash
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. Raise 
your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. This is a 
live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can pull the phone 
away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins to 
see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! I 
think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.


I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
and forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Voice Dream problems?

[Dan]

Hey guys,
I’ve been using Voice Dream for a long time and for the most part it’s been 
great! Starting about a month ago or so, I started encountering a really 
annoying bug though. I’ll have Alex reading along and all of a sudden it will 
just….stop. If I pick up my phone and hit the play button (in the app) it’ll 
usually start working but I can usually only go about 10 minutes before this 
happens again. Does anyone know if I can fix this or if it’s a bug with the 
app? I would really like to get this fixed as I use this for both school and 
recreational reading and it’s becoming really annoying to keep opening up the 
app just to get the voice going again. I’ve tried uninstalling and 
re-installing the app but that hasn’t fixed it. 
Thanks for yawls help,
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Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ah, VO is a defined key combination for these things, and so goes in the manual 
as vo-right arrow, vo-left arrow and in this case, 
vo-space. The vo combination can be changed, but current combination is good.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard


Arlene,
Do you not have the list of commands?
Control-Options-spacebar is the same as a single finger double tap, so to 
activate a button, you would do control-options right 
arrow to get to the button, then control-options-spacebar 'to activate the 
button.
If you are not able to enter text in an edit box, then Quick Nav is on. So when 
you land on the edit box, do the 
control-options-spacebar so VoiceOver says Text Field, is editing. Then you 
should be good to go.
With a keyboard, you should seldom need to touch the phone.
Richard




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On Apr 7, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Arlene 
> wrote:

With the practice mode we're getting to know what the keys are. We're missing 
something when it comes to typing with the  keyboard, 
for example in edit boxes and having what we type  appear in the edit box. Also 
if you're on a button could you select on that 
button from the keyboard. Of course we know to tap on the phone to select a 
button, but we were wondering if there was a way to 
select on a button from a  keyboard. Pressing enter doesn't do anything. 
Actually the arrow keys are the only keys that we can do 
some things with. Thanks.

Arlene
- Original Message - From: "Ari Moisio" 
>
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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard


Hi

You can turn the help mode by doubletapping with four fingers. then just preass 
each key to hear it's function.



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Arlene kirjoitti
Subject: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 03:17:44
From: Arlene >
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

While I have the list of commands, with typing on the bluetooth keyboard, we 
don't know which key is the toptions key, if
someone could tell me. Thank you.

Arlene

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Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

There's a navigation mode one can switch on using up/down arrow keys together, 
and there's another related combination (if Enter 
doesn't do it) to effect a touch or double-tap.
Used to love all these things, but terrible out of practice now.

- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard


With the practice mode we're getting to know what the keys are. We're
missing something when it comes to typing with the  keyboard, for example in
edit boxes and having what we type  appear in the edit box. Also if you're
on a button could you select on that button from the keyboard. Of course we
know to tap on the phone to select a button, but we were wondering if there
was a way to select on a button from a  keyboard. Pressing enter doesn't do
anything. Actually the arrow keys are the only keys that we can do some
things with. Thanks.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Ari Moisio" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard


> Hi
>
> You can turn the help mode by doubletapping with four fingers. then just
> preass each key to hear it's function.
>
>
>
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> B7840D02
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>  Arlene kirjoitti
>> Subject: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard
>> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 03:17:44
>> From: Arlene 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>> While I have the list of commands, with typing on the bluetooth keyboard,
>> we don't know which key is the toptions key, if
>> someone could tell me. Thank you.
>>
>> Arlene
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Re: Seeing AI help

['Husna Begum' via VIPhone]

quite often it beeps and beeps really fast but doesn't read anything, i 
wanted it to read some baby food jars but it wouldn't do it for ages and 
then  suddenly begin to read it and i never knew what made it finally read 
it. it was so frustrating and a thing that should take a few seconds could 
often waste more than 5 minutes. also why does the document channel only 
read a tiny part of the page, it does not read the whole thing so i use the 
short text channel but that is annoying because if you move even slightly it 
starts from the beginning again. i thought seeing ai would be so good but as 
often with blindness technology it is not what it is cracked up to be and 
leaves you with frustration with the lack of sight.


Husna


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Subject: RE: Seeing AI help

If you want to read mail or some printed info, use the quick text mode. 
Raise your phone up slowly from the printed text and it will start reading. 
This is a live reading, no processing, so when it starts reading you can 
pull the phone away, and it will continue reading what it saw.
To read bar codes go to product mode, and it will beep faster as it begins 
to see the bar code.  Try those two out for now.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI help

Hello everyone,


Could someone please give me some tips on how to possibly use Seeing AI?


I've tried to get it to work a couple of times now, with absolutely no luck! 
I think it's human error. I really don't know for sure though.



I tried to read a can yesterday. It wouldn't do anything. So I switched
channels and tried to read a piece of mail. Again, nothing happened.


I am holding the camera above the item, and moving the phone slowly back
and forth.

Is this how I should do it?


Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

That is often an FN key for shifting  other standard keys to do something else. 
 Laptops use the idea when they allow use  of JKL 
and same 3 above and below as a number keypad, when keyboard itself hasn't got 
one.  So I suggest that key can or would be used to 
achieve something similar.

I'll call it FN for the moment,  so press fn-l in practice mode and see what it 
says.

BobH.
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Subject: Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard


Richard, this is an apple ipad mini keyboard. Now we know which key is the 
options key. We found in the practice mode that the fifth 
key left key is spacebar, the 4th  is command, 3rd is options,2nd control, and 
we don't know what the first left key is. If you know 
what that is please let me know since it isn't speaking what it is in the 
practice mode. Thanks. I'm not sure of the brand right 
now, but I'll find out. We purchased at walmart.
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  Which bluetooth keyboard did you get?
  All keyboards are not identical.
  Richard





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While I have the list of commands, with typing on the bluetooth keyboard, 
we don't know which key is the toptions key, if 
someone could tell me. Thank you.

Arlene

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