RE: iPhone 12's MagSafe is the Sleeper Feature That's a Bigger Deal Than You Think, cNet

[Simon A Fogarty]

This I like the sound of 

Magsafe is great on the older mac book versions,

 So to put it in to the iPhone is great 

Can't wait to see how it goes 


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Subject: iPhone 12's MagSafe is the Sleeper Feature That's a Bigger Deal Than 
You Think, cNet

iPhone 12's MagSafe is the sleeper feature that's a bigger deal than you think, 
cNet News
Commentary: The fast-charging feature that snaps into place opens up the 
possibility for an array of wild new attachments.

The MagSafe is one of the quietly coolest features on the new iPhone 12. 

Apple's unveiling of the iPhone 12 family fittingly shined a spotlight on 5G
-- not a surprise given the amount of hype and investment dollars that have 
been poured into the next-generation wireless technology. While 5G continues to 
mature into the technological foundation for countless innovations, however, 
it's the low-profile MagSafe feature that may offer consumers the most 
immediate impact. 

It's almost sacrilege for me to write that 5G still needs to time to develop. 
After all, I've been covering the potentially game-changing nature of 5G since 
2015, when I first wrote about Verizon's intention to field-test the super-fast 
cellular technology. But the truth is that initial deployments don't represent 
huge boosts in speed.

MagSafe, on the other hand, offers some tangible benefits regardless of where 
you live or whether you're near the right cell tower. MagSafe charges faster 
than previous iPhones, bringing it on par with the quick charge that Android 
phones have long enjoyed. And, as dumb as this sounds, there's something cool 
about watching your phone snap into place, visual confirmation that you didn't 
fumble the placement of your device. 

"There's no more guessing where the sweet spot is," said Ramon Llamas, an 
analyst with IDC. 
MagSafe has its own long-term potential. The magnetic pins on the back of the 
phone harken back to other attempts to push an ecosystem of attachments, from 
Motorola's Moto Mods to the Essential Phone PH-1's modular camera.
Neither of those companies moved enough phones -- the Essential, in particular, 
was an outright flop -- to really interest many accessory makers to take risks 
on bold ideas. Most of the time, we got extra battery packs. 

Apple's scale changes everything. 
Paving the way
Apple's enormous reach -- Strategy Analytics estimates it will sell 180 million 
units next year -- means a potentially huge market for anyone looking to build 
MagSafe accessories. The opportunity is particularly rich for anyone looking at 
attachments beyond the basic wireless charging stand.
Think game controllers, camera grips, selfie sticks and, yes, wireless charging 
battery packs that could change the way we hold or interact with an iPhone. 

"We can't wait to see the innovative way that others will use MagSafe, creating 
a robust and ever expanding ecosystem," Deniz Teoman, vice president of 
hardware systems engineering at Apple, said in the Apple presentation on 
Tuesday.

That isn't hyperbole. Apple has a way of popularizing and legitimizing tech 
trends, from mobile payments to wireless charging. Where Motorola and Essential 
fell short, Apple could popularize the notion of magnetic attachments. 

Apple itself filed a patent for a folio case with additional power supply and 
the ability to charge AirPods, according to Patently Apple. While those patents 
don't always yield products in the real world, they're an indication of where 
the company may go in the future. 

Phone accessory maker Belkin , meanwhile, has already unveiled two MagSafe 
accessories, a charging stand that can handle an iPhone 12, Apple Watch and 
Apple Airpods, along with a more conventional car mount. Steve Malony, senior 
vice president of Belkin, said the initial products were more "bread and 
butter" when compared to future accessories on the roadmap. 

"Some of the ideas that we see come across our desk are pretty wild," he 
teased. "It's going to be fun to take those ideas and put them in play." 

Modular dreams
MagSafe feels like a spiritual successor to Google's Project Ara, a modular 
phone that used magnets to attach smaller components to the handset, allowing 
you to build it up like you were assembling something out of Legos.


Modular was hyped as a potential breakthrough innovation in smartphones. LG 
tried its hand with its G5 phone, which allowed you to swap out the bottom of 
the device for different attachments like grips and hi-fi speakers. The trend 
died off as quickly as it rose, with Google putting the project on hold, then 
quietly scrapping it. The G5 was such a flop that LG followed up
with a far more conventional phone the next year.   

"The bigger issue is that fully modular designs are more appealing to engineers 
than to consumers," said Avi Greengart, an analyst at 

iPhone 12's MagSafe is the Sleeper Feature That's a Bigger Deal Than You Think, cNet

[M. Taylor]

iPhone 12's MagSafe is the sleeper feature that's a bigger deal than you
think, cNet News
Commentary: The fast-charging feature that snaps into place opens up the
possibility for an array of wild new attachments.

The MagSafe is one of the quietly coolest features on the new iPhone 12. 

Apple's unveiling of the iPhone 12 family fittingly shined a spotlight on 5G
-- not a surprise given the amount of hype and investment dollars that have
been poured into the next-generation wireless technology. While 5G continues
to mature into the technological foundation for countless innovations,
however, it's the low-profile MagSafe feature that may offer consumers the
most immediate impact. 

It's almost sacrilege for me to write that 5G still needs to time to
develop. After all, I've been covering the potentially game-changing nature
of 5G since 2015, when I first wrote about Verizon's intention to field-test
the super-fast cellular technology. But the truth is that initial
deployments don't represent huge boosts in speed.

MagSafe, on the other hand, offers some tangible benefits regardless of
where you live or whether you're near the right cell tower. MagSafe charges
faster than previous iPhones, bringing it on par with the quick charge that
Android phones have long enjoyed. And, as dumb as this sounds, there's
something cool about watching your phone snap into place, visual
confirmation that you didn't fumble the placement of your device. 

"There's no more guessing where the sweet spot is," said Ramon Llamas, an
analyst with IDC. 
MagSafe has its own long-term potential. The magnetic pins on the back of
the phone harken back to other attempts to push an ecosystem of attachments,
from Motorola's Moto Mods to the Essential Phone PH-1's modular camera.
Neither of those companies moved enough phones -- the Essential, in
particular, was an outright flop -- to really interest many accessory makers
to take risks on bold ideas. Most of the time, we got extra battery packs. 

Apple's scale changes everything. 
Paving the way 
Apple's enormous reach -- Strategy Analytics estimates it will sell 180
million units next year -- means a potentially huge market for anyone
looking to build MagSafe accessories. The opportunity is particularly rich
for anyone looking at attachments beyond the basic wireless charging stand.
Think game controllers, camera grips, selfie sticks and, yes, wireless
charging battery packs that could change the way we hold or interact with an
iPhone. 

"We can't wait to see the innovative way that others will use MagSafe,
creating a robust and ever expanding ecosystem," Deniz Teoman, vice
president of hardware systems engineering at Apple, said in the Apple
presentation on Tuesday.

That isn't hyperbole. Apple has a way of popularizing and legitimizing tech
trends, from mobile payments to wireless charging. Where Motorola and
Essential fell short, Apple could popularize the notion of magnetic
attachments. 

Apple itself filed a patent for a folio case with additional power supply
and the ability to charge AirPods, according to Patently Apple. While those
patents don't always yield products in the real world, they're an indication
of where the company may go in the future. 

Phone accessory maker Belkin , meanwhile, has already unveiled two MagSafe
accessories, a charging stand that can handle an iPhone 12, Apple Watch and
Apple Airpods, along with a more conventional car mount. Steve Malony,
senior vice president of Belkin, said the initial products were more "bread
and butter" when compared to future accessories on the roadmap. 

"Some of the ideas that we see come across our desk are pretty wild," he
teased. "It's going to be fun to take those ideas and put them in play." 

Modular dreams
MagSafe feels like a spiritual successor to Google's Project Ara, a modular
phone that used magnets to attach smaller components to the handset,
allowing you to build it up like you were assembling something out of Legos.


Modular was hyped as a potential breakthrough innovation in smartphones. LG
tried its hand with its G5 phone, which allowed you to swap out the bottom
of the device for different attachments like grips and hi-fi speakers. The
trend died off as quickly as it rose, with Google putting the project on
hold, then quietly scrapping it. The G5 was such a flop that LG followed up
with a far more conventional phone the next year.   

"The bigger issue is that fully modular designs are more appealing to
engineers than to consumers," said Avi Greengart, an analyst at
Techsponential. "Smartphones are highly evolved products, and people buy the
best phone they can afford that meets their needs now, not a platform to
tinker with later."

Moto Mods represented a streamlined version of the modular concept, offering
a full phone with different backs you can swap in and out. That concept
allowed Motorola's Moto Z3 to be the first 5G phone on Verizon's network,
thanks to a 5G Mod that slapped into the back of the 

RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly due to having changed your voiceover voice

There is an issue where if you change your voiceover voice from the default 
then the punchuation issue kicks in to life.

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?
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 4:41 pm
To: ViPhone 
Subject: Annoying punctuation reading problem

Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Lenron Brown]

I prefer touch id so got my 7plus, and got a s20 with in screen fingerprint.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
> JOrdan
> Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 4:46 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
> to unlock your phone?
> Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
> phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 
> is still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out 
> and about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Annoying punctuation reading problem

[ליאל בן סימון]

Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.

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Re: Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

Julian, bingo. That worked. Thank you.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Julian  wrote:
> 
> Hi Diane,
> 
> I see that dictation slightly messed up the instructions I attempted to give 
> you earlier. What you have to do is put focus on the item you want to 
> relabel, use two fingers to double tap and hold until the label element 
> option pops up. Now you can simply use the on screen keyboard to type in the 
> name that you wish to give that element and save it and that should work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Julian. I tried doing the double tap and hold and nothing happened.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
 On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Julian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Diane,
>>> 
>>> Tried doing 82 finger double tap and hold on the photo and that should 
>>> bring up the option that lets you label that picture.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Diane Giannetti  
> wrote:
 
 Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
 happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
 wrong.
 
 Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
> That should open an edit box.
> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
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> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
> Edward Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Labeling Photos
> 
> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? 
> It would be much appreciated.
> 
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Re: Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

I will try that Julian. Thank you.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Julian  wrote:
> 
> Hi Diane,
> 
> I see that dictation slightly messed up the instructions I attempted to give 
> you earlier. What you have to do is put focus on the item you want to 
> relabel, use two fingers to double tap and hold until the label element 
> option pops up. Now you can simply use the on screen keyboard to type in the 
> name that you wish to give that element and save it and that should work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Julian. I tried doing the double tap and hold and nothing happened.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
 On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Julian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Diane,
>>> 
>>> Tried doing 82 finger double tap and hold on the photo and that should 
>>> bring up the option that lets you label that picture.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Diane Giannetti  
> wrote:
 
 Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
 happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
 wrong.
 
 Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
> That should open an edit box.
> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
> Edward Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Diane Giannetti
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Labeling Photos
> 
> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? 
> It would be much appreciated.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
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Re: Labeling Photos

[Julian]

Hi Diane,

I see that dictation slightly messed up the instructions I attempted to give 
you earlier. What you have to do is put focus on the item you want to relabel, 
use two fingers to double tap and hold until the label element option pops up. 
Now you can simply use the on screen keyboard to type in the name that you wish 
to give that element and save it and that should work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julian. I tried doing the double tap and hold and nothing happened.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Julian  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Diane,
>> 
>> Tried doing 82 finger double tap and hold on the photo and that should bring 
>> up the option that lets you label that picture.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
>>> happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
>>> wrong.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>>> 
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
 
 Try a two finger double tap and hold.
 That should open an edit box.
 Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
 
 
 
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
 Edward Herbert
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Diane Giannetti
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Labeling Photos
 
 Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? 
 It would be much appreciated.
 
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Re: Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

Hi Julian. I tried doing the double tap and hold and nothing happened.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Julian  wrote:
> 
> Hi Diane,
> 
> Tried doing 82 finger double tap and hold on the photo and that should bring 
> up the option that lets you label that picture.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
>> happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
>> wrong.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
 On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
>>> That should open an edit box.
>>> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Diane Giannetti
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Labeling Photos
>>> 
>>> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? 
>>> It would be much appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: Labeling Photos

[Julian]

Hi Diane,

Tried doing 82 finger double tap and hold on the photo and that should bring up 
the option that lets you label that picture.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
> happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
> wrong.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
>> That should open an edit box.
>> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Labeling Photos
>> 
>> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? It 
>> would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
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RE: MS Teams

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes I have
But it was a couple of months ago,

I can’t remember about he talking / side of things but text chat is very simple.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 2:07 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: MS Teams

has anyone here used MS Teams on the iPhone?
Today I attended my first meeting on MS Teams, and I couldn't find a way to 
talk, like the mute/unmute button on Zoom.

Andy

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has anyone here used MS Teams on the iPhone?
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Re: Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

Richard, I tried to go to the photo double tap and hold and nothing would 
happen. I’m not saying your way is incorrect I just may be doing something 
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Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
> That should open an edit box.
> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Labeling Photos
> 
> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? It 
> would be much appreciated.
> 
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

It's a hardware thing.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 7:51 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Could that happen with an update, or would it require hardwarde. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Interestingly enough, apple announced a new iPad Air last month that will have 
touch ID built into the power button. I was really hoping they were going to do 
the same with at least one of the new iPhone 12 models.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model 
> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> 
> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>
>Devin Prater
>sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>  > wrote:
>
> 
>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch 
> rather than facial ID. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com  
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then 
> face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to 
> my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already 
> on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it 
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to 
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, 
> I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't 
> hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have 
> touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
> touch ID.
>
>--
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>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Maslo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  
> print 
>> scan instead of facial ID?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
> series.
>> >
>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> >
>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the 
> Apple 
>> > orchard; but not quite.
>> >
>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor 
> on 
>> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were 
> not 
>> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung 
> Galaxy 
>> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do 

RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
JOrdan
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 4:46 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
to unlock your phone?
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and the pups

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords in 
stereo, and small.


  Enviado desde 
Correo para Windows 10

De: Michael Maslo
Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
instead of facial ID?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
>
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> orchard; but not quite.
>
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>
> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> must reap, what we must.
>
> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
>
> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> Plus for a little longer.
>
> Mark
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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I’ve still got the ac adapter and cable in the box for my iphone 11 pro 
max,
I just use the lightening cable that I have from my iPod touch or earlier 
iPhone versions.

Not sure I really miss the 18 watt or what ever it is charger
I’m also more fond of the wireless charger I have which has no issues.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 4:25 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

That is exactly right, the little wall adapter and charging cable never come 
out of the box any more when I get a new iPhone. I do use the headset, but if 
they don't include one any more then Oh well, it's not a big deal, I like the 
Apple wired Earpods and usually have to get a new one at some point during the 
lifecycle of my current phone. As for are they kidding when they say that they 
are reducing their carbon footprint, I don't think so, these things might be 
small, but when you consider how many tens of Billions of these are being 
produced by Apple, Samsung, Google and all the other companies this is no small 
matter. I would be very surprised if Samsung and other wouldn't follow suit and 
verysoon their phones will ship without a charger also.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

For my part, I’m glad Apple is doing this. I have enough peripherals lying 
around the house, I don’t need any more, and I don’t need to be adding to my 
carbon foot print. I just wish Apple would knock a few dollars off the price of 
their devices, but as long as I keep buying them, I guess there’s no motivation 
for them to do that.

--
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Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Darshan Beniwal
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:25 PM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I don't understand that why apple is not providing charger adopter and 
earphones/headphones? They claim that they didn't include these to reduce 
carbon emission. Are they kidding man or am I missing something else? If so one 
can imagine that in 2030 there release an iPhone 20, and will state that we 
didn't include headset/phone because we care about the environment and assume 
that buyer already have phone. ☺️ ☺️

On Friday, 16 October 2020 05:41:04 UTC+5:30, simon wrote:
But how is it that you know verizons 5g mm band is difficult to connect to when 
as yet it hasn't been released
And the iPhone 12 range hasn't even been pre ordered yet!

I do so love how people know how well these things work when they either 
haven’t tried them or the products are not even available.


Why don't people just wait for the devices and networks to be rolled out to the 
world and give it a go before you start bad mouthing things



-Original Message-
From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 6:57 am
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> > On Behalf Of
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: 

what is the best way to get the most security within the Facebook app or website?

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am required to participate in a Facebook private group for a course in which 
I am participating. This will be for six months.
To date, I have only dabbled with Facebook about seven years ago, but did not 
like it because of concerns over privacy.
although I am still quite concerned about joining Facebook, it is something I 
need to do.
Can someone please advise on the best way for safely using Facebook, in view of 
this users concerns regarding privacy, with both personal data and access to 
contacts etc. 
Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Marvin Kotler]

I think the speakers on the SE are all right since I usually stream the phone through my hearing aids.Marv Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Marie N.Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 1:25 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models? I can tell no difference between my SE and my 11 pro but can definitely hear improvemen with the IPad Mini. That tells me that the size is a huge factor, and not a surprise.Marie -Original Message- From: Richard TurnerSent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:19 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models? Well, I compared the SE 2nd generation with the iPhone 11, and if there was a quality difference, it was very minor.Face it, you are not going to get much stereo separation with the length of a phone.   Richard"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne MerrittSent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models? My guess is the speakers on the 11 Pro Max are better and perhaps louder than the 11, simply because the phone is bigger and there's more separation between left and right, if the phone is held sideways that is. The speakers might sound better than those on the 11 or 11 Pro, not sure on that since I haven't heard them to compare. I've been using YouTube to look up things like this. Though audio from a video recording can be tricky and hard to judge depending on how the person has their mike positioned, it is an option. Wayne On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:> So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread,> there was a suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years > from now.> I'm sorry, but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up.> Do we know at this point whether the speakers on the pro models> upcoming are any different than the 11 pro max? I read through the> specs and didn't  see that listed.> Thanks,> Matthew> > --> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone> list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at> caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">> ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata="">> 20180336feab4613dff808d871feea7b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C> 1%7C0%7C637384686948795877%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA> iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=ZN8Zq> Z%2FkumbQe6X%2FaKWeOhG6kOoHOjVAyzy0pk%2BndZI%3Dreserved=0> ---> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google> Groups "VIPhone" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To view this discussion on the web visit> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>   --Connect with me on GoodReads:https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=""> --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=""> -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for 

RE: Wireless printers

[Simon A Fogarty]

I have a brother injet with wifi and it works great from my iphone and iPad etc.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 3:29 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wireless printers

I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple devices, 
th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows computers.
Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
setup issue, not really the printers.
 
I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it fixes 
the issue, I will let you know.
I will also give you some model numbers.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wireless printers

Hello all,
Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do that 
would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that would be a 
drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that that shouldn’t 
be too too difficult to get.
Thanks.

Deidre

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Re: Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

Richard, thank you very much. I will try that and see if it works.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try a two finger double tap and hold.
> That should open an edit box.
> Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Labeling Photos
> 
> Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? It 
> would be much appreciated.
> 
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RE: Labeling Photos

[Richard Turner]

Try a two finger double tap and hold.
That should open an edit box.
Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Labeling Photos

Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? It 
would be much appreciated.

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Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Richard, 
Thank you. I didn’t notice that. I will call. Thanks for the number.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That one is an ink-jet not a Laser-Jet.  I strongly recommend against 
> Ink-jet printers.
> 
> The HP store sales phone number is 1-866-625-3906
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wireless printers
> 
> Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company 
> directly. That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and 
> recommendations, both of you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished 
> which may mean something different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did 
> get the model number wrong it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a 
> little overwhelming at this point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target 
> sells them. And I can buy one on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
>> just work.
>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
>> to go.
>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>> little time.
>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
>> you can deselect the other pages.
>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>> printing.
>> 
>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>> from non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing 
>> with the ink cartridges.
>> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
>> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
>> cartridges as needed on your own.
>> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink 
>> jet.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
>> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
>> 
>> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
>> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
>> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
>> computers.
>> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
>> setup issue, not really the printers.
>> 
>> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
>> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
>> I will also give you some model numbers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Wireless printers

Labeling Photos

[Diane Giannetti]

Could someone please tell me the steps involved in How you label a photo? It 
would be much appreciated.

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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[chaltain]

I'm pretty sure getting touch ID back onto an iPhone which doesn't currently 
support it will require a new device. I'd assume this would even be true if you 
had an under the screen finger print sensor.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 1:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Could that happen with an update, or would it require hardwarde.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> Interestingly enough, apple announced a new iPad Air last month that will have
> touch ID built into the power button. I was really hoping they were going to 
> do
> the same with at least one of the new iPhone 12 models.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer
> model phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> >
> > 
> > Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
> >
> >Devin Prater
> >sent from Gmail.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net
>  > wrote:
> >
> >
> >If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is 
> > more secure.
> Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my phone 
> and
> snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with facial, where 
> with
> touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my finger, and they wouldn't
> know which to use, because I did not use my forefinger, when I had 
> fingerprint. I
> guess they'd know if they'd seen me with my phone. Anyway, it does seem
> maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch rather than facial ID.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  ]
> On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
> >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
> >To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> >
> >For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then 
> > face ID.
> There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face,
> like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
> phone,
> since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be no big 
> deal to
> use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then hold it up to 
> my
> face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do it more then 
> once or
> just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid 
> buying a
> phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but with all things being equal, 
> I'd go
> with a phone that supported touch ID.
> >
> >--
> >Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>     > On Behalf Of
> >> Michael Maslo
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> >>
> >> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  
> > print
> >> scan instead of facial ID?
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Michael maslo
> >>
> >> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello Everyone,
> >> >
> >> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> >> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 
> > 12 series.
> >> >
> >> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at
> >> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> >> >
> >> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the 
> > Apple
> >> > orchard; but not quite.

RE: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

[chaltain]

You could also use a file sharing service like Google Drive, One Drive from 
Microsoft or Drop Box.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

 

Try attaching the file to an email and sending it to yourself, then opening the 
email on your phone.

 

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From: Mich Verrier   

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

 

Hi all. I have a.docx file that I want to transfer to my I phone. I have a I 
phone 8 and want to transfer a .dockx file with a address to my I phone a 
mailing address I meen. How can I do this? Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

[Marty Hutchings]

Try attaching the file to an email and sending it to yourself, then opening the 
email on your phone.

Love in Christ
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From: Mich Verrier 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

Hi all. I have a.docx file that I want to transfer to my I phone. I have a I 
phone 8 and want to transfer a .dockx file with a address to my I phone a 
mailing address I meen. How can I do this? Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: Need Help & Advice

[Holly]

Carla:

At the time I got my doorbell, which was about three years ago, you needed an 
Echo device with a screen to talk to the doorbell, but I think that now you can 
do it even with the Echo dot.  Might want to make sure, if you just have a dot.

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RE: Need Help & Advice

[Carla]

Yes I do have Amazon Alexa.  Thanks for the info.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Help & Advice
 
Carla:
 
I have a ring 2 doorbell.  After you get the notification on your phone, you 
have to double tap the notification to open the ring app.  This takes two or 
three seconds.  If you want to talk to the person at the door, you have to find 
the talk button, which voice over does not announce by swiping.  You have to 
know where it is, which is in the upper left part of the screen.  Voice over 
will announce it when you slide your finger over it.  Then you have to double 
tap the talk button.  These steps take a bit of time, so not immediately 
available.
 
To make things faster, if you have an Amazon Echo,, you can just wake it up and 
say, “talk to the back door’, and the mike will open immediately.  This is the 
quickist way to get to talk, if you are at home.
 
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Re: Need Help & Advice

[Holly]

Carla:

I have a ring 2 doorbell.  After you get the notification on your phone, you 
have to double tap the notification to open the ring app.  This takes two or 
three seconds.  If you want to talk to the person at the door, you have to find 
the talk button, which voice over does not announce by swiping.  You have to 
know where it is, which is in the upper left part of the screen.  Voice over 
will announce it when you slide your finger over it.  Then you have to double 
tap the talk button.  These steps take a bit of time, so not immediately 
available.

To make things faster, if you have an Amazon Echo,, you can just wake it up and 
say, “talk to the back door’, and the mike will open immediately.  This is the 
quickist way to get to talk, if you are at home.

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RE: is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

[Richard Turner]

If you email it as an attachment you can open it and perhaps then save it in 
the files app.



Richard
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Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Marie N.]

I often go for the newest phones and last year I got an 11 Pro. I absolutely 
think it is the best IPhone I have used. I am somewhat disappointed in the 
new phones and see nothing that temps me to plunk down the amount they have 
put on these and especially when not including the headsets or the charging 
items. Not that the silly charging block they have continued to use is a big 
loss but the headsets are in my opinion.

I will be sticking with the SE and the 11 Pro for now.
Marie

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Les,

Probably a wise choice not to pay top Dollar to get the iPhone 12, I think 
anybody who has anything from a 10 up is wasting their money. One thing, 
however, if I were to consider an upgrade I would certainly look at last 
year's iPhone 11 instead of the XR from 2 years ago. My wife and I hadn't 
planned to upgrade either this year and keep our iPhone 8 which we got 2 
years ago. However, we had 64 Gb models and while I only use about half of 
that space, my wife likes to keep lots of photos and videos on her phone and 
hers was full. Then our provider here in Canada came out with a pretty good 
deal, I could get an iPhone 11 64 Gb for $33/month over 2 years with $0 up 
front, that is $792 Canadian which works out to less than $600 US, not a 
super deal, but also not too bad so we went for it. Unfortunately they only 
offered the 11 with 64 Gb and since my wife likes smaller phones anyways we 
went with an iPhone 11 Pro for her with 256 Gb storage which cost the same 
$33 a month over 2 years + a downpayment of a few hundred Bucks, can't 
remember exactly how much, but again in the end a few hundred cheaper than 
if we had bought one outright. It seems that there is only a $100 or so 
difference between the XR and 11 and for that I think the 11 is a better 
choice, if you do want to sell it or trade it in in 2 or 3 years you 
probably make that extra $100 back in resale value.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting 
iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time 
to learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I 
am mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we 
wish. In the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her 
iPad if she wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various 
iPhome models. It really helped me make a decision for myself and the 
recommendation I offered my wife.

Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, 
especially Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to 
actually connect to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting 
that both they and AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must 
be desperate. I think the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if 
you like a home button.

I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Alan,
I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a 
result, I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was 
seriously considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation 
with a Verizon rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I 
learned that if I purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to 
a 5g plan. Our bill would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in 
a town which does not have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come 
here. So I would be paying an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot 
use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 
11 pro. I would welcome any comments pro or con about either phone. For 
me, 5G is out. Even if it were available, I don't think it's worth an 
extra $54 per month. Now, this could change, but it does not matter to me 
at this point.

Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require 
use of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be 
charging accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to 
get you into 

is it possible to transfer a .docx file to your i phone?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all. I have a.docx file that I want to transfer to my I phone. I have a I
phone 8 and want to transfer a .dockx file with a address to my I phone a
mailing address I meen. How can I do this? Many thanks. From Mich.

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Need Help & Advice

[Carla]

I had a situation at my house last night and I want to get the ring
doorbell.  I need to know which model works with voiceover and if it is
totally accessible.  Also does voiceover react slow or does it activate real
fast when I open the doorbell app when the phone rings.
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
Carla


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Re: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Marie N.]

I can tell no difference between my SE and my 11 pro but can definitely hear 
improvemen with the IPad Mini. That tells me that the size is a huge factor, 
and not a surprise.

Marie

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

Well, I compared the SE 2nd generation with the iPhone 11, and if there was 
a quality difference, it was very minor.
Face it, you are not going to get much stereo separation with the length of 
a phone.




Richard
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Merritt

Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:11 AM
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My guess is the speakers on the 11 Pro Max are better and perhaps louder 
than the 11, simply because the phone is bigger and there's more separation 
between left and right, if the phone is held sideways that is. The speakers 
might sound better than those on the 11 or 11 Pro, not sure on that since I 
haven't heard them to compare. I've been using YouTube to look up things 
like this. Though audio from a video recording can be tricky and hard to 
judge depending on how the person has their mike positioned, it is an 
option.


Wayne

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:

So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread,
there was a suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years 
from now.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up.
Do we know at this point whether the speakers on the pro models
upcoming are any different than the 11 pro max? I read through the
specs and didn't  see that listed.
Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: Considering a Mac book air

[Daniel MacDonald]

Hello Jenn,

These days, Macs come with sixteen GB RAM as a base model. Since you are going 
with a MacBookAir, you’ll have the traditional function keys. Previous models 
had the Butterfly Keyboard, which had a high failer rate. Apple finally went 
back to the Sizerswitch design, and they hopefully will never try a qwerty 
keyboard redesign again. One advancement in the Airs is Touch ID. It’s so easy 
logging into them, and Apple Pay for Web is also supported. I use the Air mom 
has for occasional work she needs done. She’s got the 2019 Air. I personally 
find the Butterfly Keyboard (on 2016-2019 Macs hard on my wrists, as I have 
cerebral Palsy. So get a 2020 MacBookAir and you’ll be good to go.
Daniel


> On Oct 16, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Priscilla Garces (prisci)  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Hope this message finds you all well.
> I have a Mac and I have used it for several years now.  I have not used a 
> Windows PC since 2010, so, I have no idea about the recent advancements  of 
> the jaws screen reader Because the last operating system within the windows 
> platforms was either windows XP or Vista  if I   recall well enough. After 
> graduating college,  I decided to try out a Mac because one of my friends had 
> one and she was showing me all of the cool accessibility features on the 
> Apple max. Before purchasing, I went to take some classes at the Apple store 
> and the staff was nice enough to show me how to use voiceover. After  I 
> purchased my first Mac laptop, I never looked back because the accessibility 
> features were great. In my opinion, they were better than the Jaws  Screen 
> reader I  used to use back then. My windows laptop was on its last leg 
> anyway, so that was the main reason why I purchased  it at the time. Also, 
> buying a Mac is cost-effective because you do not have to spend additional 
> money on making your product more accessible. Not many blind people are able 
> to afford paying a premium price to get a screen reader that is essential for 
> work or school, unless an organization is willing to help with the cost 
> associated Which also means going through the process of sending in paperwork 
> to prove that you are either in school, looking for a job or at work in some 
> cases.
> Best,
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jen,
>> 
>> Just like on the iPhone, VoiceOver is built in, so you don't need anything 
>> else to make it accessible.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi I am considering getting a Mac book air don’t really know nothing about 
>>> them so wondering other than the device itself are there any other 
>>> accessories I would need to make it accessible is there a certain amount of 
>>> memory that is best when you are using voiceover and anything else anyone 
>>> would wish to share about them to help make my purchasing easier and more 
>>> informative.
>>> Jen
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Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Wayne Merritt]

For me, Face ID is pretty reliable and easy. I don't get perfect scans
every time, but it's no big deal for me to enter my pass code since i
use Braille Screen Input, or touch the numbers on the keypad. I won't
argue that Touch ID is perhaps quicker, but Face ID is not as bad as
many think. The times when I don't get good scans are usually
overnight when I wear my sleep mask, or when my phone is angled wrong
or I am not looking directly at it. It does get frustrating to enter
the pass code every so often, but again, not a deal breaker. Also, I
can use Face ID when my fingers are not clean, which is harder to do
with Touch ID. The hardest thing for me about Face ID is initially
setting it up on my own. I have no issues with scanning my head to
enter my face, but I do have issues with positioning the phone. Once I
get help to position the phone, getting my face entered is pretty
easy.
I also find the newer VoiceOver gestures pretty reliable. NO, they
don't work every time for me, but usually they don't work when I try
to slide my finger too fast. When I slow down, I can get to work every
time.
To each their own though.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Oh yes, Touch to wake, and also Shake to Undo.
>
> Why, Wayne, do you llike facial ID better than touch ID?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.
>
> Matthew,
> First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
> as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I like it
> much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the Touch ID
> devotees would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming Touch ID is
> better.
> Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on the
> Lock screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home screen without
> you performing the gesture. When I double tap on a notification after
> unlocking my phone, I'm taken into that app, and then can use the Home slide
> gesture to get back to the Home screen. I think there was at 1 time a
> setting to make the phone unlock and take focus immediately to the Home
> Screen. I don't recall where it was or the name, but perhaps someone else
> knows. I like having to perform the home gesture though since it usually
> doesn't take any time at all for me to get to the home screen or wherever I
> was before. One setting you may wan to change is "touch to wake" which is
> found in Accessibility and Touch settings. This means each time you touch
> the screen the phone will wake up. This can get annoying fast, similar to
> raise to wake in theory. If you like for the phone to wake up each time you
> touch the screen or move it, then that's good.
>
> Have fun,
> Wayne Merritt
>
> On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
>> Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a
>> bunch of music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12
>> max, since I want the long battery life and the screen size for
>> braille screen input. I'll be upset if touch ID comes back in a phone
>> in the next year, because I will have spent money in this phone, but
>> oh well. My main question is about the lock screen. From working with
>> the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable with the gesture
>> of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but was
>> checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't
>> accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone,
>> because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on
>> the lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until
>> you actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification,
>> I'm assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that
>> part, then another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that
>> correct?
>> Thanks, Matthew
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Re: Considering a Mac book air

[Priscilla Garces (prisci)]

Hello,

Hope this message finds you all well.
I have a Mac and I have used it for several years now.  I have not used a 
Windows PC since 2010, so, I have no idea about the recent advancements  of the 
jaws screen reader Because the last operating system within the windows 
platforms was either windows XP or Vista  if I   recall well enough. After 
graduating college,  I decided to try out a Mac because one of my friends had 
one and she was showing me all of the cool accessibility features on the Apple 
max. Before purchasing, I went to take some classes at the Apple store and the 
staff was nice enough to show me how to use voiceover. After  I purchased my 
first Mac laptop, I never looked back because the accessibility features were 
great. In my opinion, they were better than the Jaws  Screen reader I  used to 
use back then. My windows laptop was on its last leg anyway, so that was the 
main reason why I purchased  it at the time. Also, buying a Mac is 
cost-effective because you do not have to spend additional money on making your 
product more accessible. Not many blind people are able to afford paying a 
premium price to get a screen reader that is essential for work or school, 
unless an organization is willing to help with the cost associated Which also 
means going through the process of sending in paperwork to prove that you are 
either in school, looking for a job or at work in some cases.
Best,
Priscilla


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> On Oct 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jen,
> 
> Just like on the iPhone, VoiceOver is built in, so you don't need anything 
> else to make it accessible.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I am considering getting a Mac book air don’t really know nothing about 
>> them so wondering other than the device itself are there any other 
>> accessories I would need to make it accessible is there a certain amount of 
>> memory that is best when you are using voiceover and anything else anyone 
>> would wish to share about them to help make my purchasing easier and more 
>> informative.
>> Jen
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

Yes, you can unlock with passcode. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul JOrdan
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
to unlock your phone?

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

 

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not 
physical but virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! 
Thus I feel it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great 
sound, récords in stereo, and small.

 


  Enviado desde Correo 
  para Windows 10

 

De: Michael Maslo  
Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

 

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
scan instead of facial ID?

 

Sincerely,

 

Michael maslo

 

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> > wrote:

> 

> Hello Everyone,

> 

> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
fingerprint

> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  

> 

> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its

> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  

> 

> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple

> orchard; but not quite.

> 

> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
the new

> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a

> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, 
every

> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it 
extremely

> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  

> 

> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
and we

> must reap, what we must.  

> 

> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near 
future.  

> 

> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
beloved 8

> Plus for a little longer.

> 

> Mark

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RE: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Carolyn]

Oh yes, Touch to wake, and also Shake to Undo. 

Why, Wayne, do you llike facial ID better than touch ID? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

Matthew,
First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I like it 
much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the Touch ID devotees 
would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming Touch ID is better.
Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on the Lock 
screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home screen without you 
performing the gesture. When I double tap on a notification after unlocking my 
phone, I'm taken into that app, and then can use the Home slide gesture to get 
back to the Home screen. I think there was at 1 time a setting to make the 
phone unlock and take focus immediately to the Home Screen. I don't recall 
where it was or the name, but perhaps someone else knows. I like having to 
perform the home gesture though since it usually doesn't take any time at all 
for me to get to the home screen or wherever I was before. One setting you may 
wan to change is "touch to wake" which is found in Accessibility and Touch 
settings. This means each time you touch the screen the phone will wake up. 
This can get annoying fast, similar to raise to wake in theory. If you like for 
the phone to wake up each time you touch the screen or move it, then that's 
good.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a 
> bunch of music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 
> max, since I want the long battery life and the screen size for 
> braille screen input. I'll be upset if touch ID comes back in a phone 
> in the next year, because I will have spent money in this phone, but 
> oh well. My main question is about the lock screen. From working with 
> the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable with the gesture 
> of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but was 
> checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't 
> accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone, 
> because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on 
> the lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until 
> you actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification, 
> I'm assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that part, 
> then another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that correct?
> Thanks, Matthew
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Esther]

I like touch as well. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> 
> I like touch a lot. I still have the old iPhone 6S plus.  I'm glad they have 
> it on that phone. 
>  
> Shirley
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch 
> rather than facial ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face ID. 
> There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my face, 
> like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on the 
> phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it would be 
> no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to remember to then 
> hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, I may have to do 
> it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't hate face ID, 
> and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have touch ID, but 
> with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported touch ID.
> 
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> > Michael Maslo
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> > 
> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print 
> > scan instead of facial ID?
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Michael maslo
> > 
> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
> > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> > >
> > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
> > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> > >
> > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple 
> > > orchard; but not quite.
> > >
> > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on 
> > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not 
> > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy 
> > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, 
> > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> > >
> > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn 
> > > and we must reap, what we must.
> > >
> > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> > >
> > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my 
> > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> > >
> > > Mark
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Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Wayne Merritt]

Les,
If you are looking for an iPhone 11 with 128 GB, that should be
available. The 11 comes in 64, 128 and 256 GB sizes, according to the
Apple Store app.

Hth,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> It's nice to hear from you. Sounds like you and your wife are doing well, I
> certainly hope so. You make some really good points about the iPhone 11. We
> are going to the Apple Store tomorrow, so we will see. I really don't
> understand why Apple no longer sells the Pro model, or why they don't make
> an 11 with 128 GB storage. When we purchased our 8 Plus models, we sprang
> for 256 GB, even though we knew we would never use that much. But at that
> time, Apple gave you more for your phone depending on the storage, so I
> figured we would get money back for both of us. Surprise, surprise. The 8
> Plus models will get us $210 US regardless of the storage. My point here is
> that we all will make decisions based on two or three years down the road,
> and the rules will likely change by then. I can get by with a 64 GB model,
> my wife will wish the extra storage with a variety of photos and videos she
> gets. That's what happened with grandchildren! You have given me more to
> consider before
>  We arrive at the store.
> Best Regards,
>
> Les
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
>
> Hi Les,
>
> Probably a wise choice not to pay top Dollar to get the iPhone 12, I think
> anybody who has anything from a 10 up is wasting their money. One thing,
> however, if I were to consider an upgrade I would certainly look at last
> year's iPhone 11 instead of the XR from 2 years ago. My wife and I hadn't
> planned to upgrade either this year and keep our iPhone 8 which we got 2
> years ago. However, we had 64 Gb models and while I only use about half of
> that space, my wife likes to keep lots of photos and videos on her phone and
> hers was full. Then our provider here in Canada came out with a pretty good
> deal, I could get an iPhone 11 64 Gb for $33/month over 2 years with $0 up
> front, that is $792 Canadian which works out to less than $600 US, not a
> super deal, but also not too bad so we went for it. Unfortunately they only
> offered the 11 with 64 Gb and since my wife likes smaller phones anyways we
> went with an iPhone 11 Pro for her with 256 Gb storage which cost the same
> $33 a month over 2 years + a downpayment of a few hundred Bucks, can't
> remember exactly how much, but again in the end a few hundred cheaper than
> if we had bought one outright. It seems that there is only a $100 or so
> difference between the XR and 11 and for that I think the 11 is a better
> choice, if you do want to sell it or trade it in in 2 or 3 years you
> probably make that extra $100 back in resale value.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
>
> Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
> Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting
> iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time
> to learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I
> am mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we
> wish. In the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her
> iPad if she wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various
> iPhome models. It really helped me make a decision for myself and the
> recommendation I offered my wife.
> Best Regards,
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??
>
> I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height,
> especially Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to
> actually connect to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting
> that both they and AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must
> be desperate. I think the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if
> you like a home button.
> I’m sticking with my 10 R.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it
>> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a
>> result, I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was
>> seriously considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation
>> with a Verizon rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I
>> learned that if I purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to
>> a 5g plan. Our bill would go up 

RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Carolyn]

Could that happen with an update, or would it require hardwarde. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Interestingly enough, apple announced a new iPad Air last month that will have 
touch ID built into the power button. I was really hoping they were going to do 
the same with at least one of the new iPhone 12 models.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> They removed Touch ID, because there is no Home Button on the newer model 
> phones, other than the SE, which has fingerprint ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> 
> 
> Why have they removed touch ID from the newer phones?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Oct 15, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
>
>Devin Prater
>sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>  > wrote:
>
> 
>If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more 
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up my 
> phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with 
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my 
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my 
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me 
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have touch 
> rather than facial ID. 
>
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>
>For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then 
> face ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to 
> my face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already 
> on the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it 
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to 
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it immediately, 
> I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering my PIN. I don't 
> hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just because it didn't have 
> touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go with a phone that supported 
> touch ID.
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Maslo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>> 
>> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  
> print 
>> scan instead of facial ID?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Michael maslo
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor   > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a 
>> > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 
> series.
>> >
>> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at 
>> > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>> >
>> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the 
> Apple 
>> > orchard; but not quite.
>> >
>> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor 
> on 
>> > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were 
> not 
>> > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung 
> Galaxy 
>> > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do 
> it, 
>> > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>> >
>> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been 
> sewn 
>> > and we must reap, what we 

Re: Considering a Mac book air

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Jen,

Just like on the iPhone, VoiceOver is built in, so you don't need anything else 
to make it accessible.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> Hi I am considering getting a Mac book air don’t really know nothing about 
> them so wondering other than the device itself are there any other 
> accessories I would need to make it accessible is there a certain amount of 
> memory that is best when you are using voiceover and anything else anyone 
> would wish to share about them to help make my purchasing easier and more 
> informative.
> Jen
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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Sieghard,

It's nice to hear from you. Sounds like you and your wife are doing well, I 
certainly hope so. You make some really good points about the iPhone 11. We are 
going to the Apple Store tomorrow, so we will see. I really don't understand 
why Apple no longer sells the Pro model, or why they don't make an 11 with 128 
GB storage. When we purchased our 8 Plus models, we sprang for 256 GB, even 
though we knew we would never use that much. But at that time, Apple gave you 
more for your phone depending on the storage, so I figured we would get money 
back for both of us. Surprise, surprise. The 8 Plus models will get us $210 US 
regardless of the storage. My point here is that we all will make decisions 
based on two or three years down the road, and the rules will likely change by 
then. I can get by with a 64 GB model, my wife will wish the extra storage with 
a variety of photos and videos she gets. That's what happened with 
grandchildren! You have given me more to consider before
 We arrive at the store.
Best Regards,

Les
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Les,

Probably a wise choice not to pay top Dollar to get the iPhone 12, I think 
anybody who has anything from a 10 up is wasting their money. One thing, 
however, if I were to consider an upgrade I would certainly look at last year's 
iPhone 11 instead of the XR from 2 years ago. My wife and I hadn't planned to 
upgrade either this year and keep our iPhone 8 which we got 2 years ago. 
However, we had 64 Gb models and while I only use about half of that space, my 
wife likes to keep lots of photos and videos on her phone and hers was full. 
Then our provider here in Canada came out with a pretty good deal, I could get 
an iPhone 11 64 Gb for $33/month over 2 years with $0 up front, that is $792 
Canadian which works out to less than $600 US, not a super deal, but also not 
too bad so we went for it. Unfortunately they only offered the 11 with 64 Gb 
and since my wife likes smaller phones anyways we went with an iPhone 11 Pro 
for her with 256 Gb storage which cost the same $33 a month over 2 years + a 
downpayment of a few hundred Bucks, can't remember exactly how much, but again 
in the end a few hundred cheaper than if we had bought one outright. It seems 
that there is only a $100 or so difference between the XR and 11 and for that I 
think the 11 is a better choice, if you do want to sell it or trade it in in 2 
or 3 years you probably make that extra $100 back in resale value.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting 
iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time to 
learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I am 
mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we wish. In 
the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her iPad if she 
wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various iPhome models. 
It really helped me make a decision for myself and the recommendation I offered 
my wife.
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either 

RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Richard Turner]

Well, I compared the SE 2nd generation with the iPhone 11, and if there was a 
quality difference, it was very minor.
Face it, you are not going to get much stereo separation with the length of a 
phone.



Richard
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:11 AM
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My guess is the speakers on the 11 Pro Max are better and perhaps louder than 
the 11, simply because the phone is bigger and there's more separation between 
left and right, if the phone is held sideways that is. The speakers might sound 
better than those on the 11 or 11 Pro, not sure on that since I haven't heard 
them to compare. I've been using YouTube to look up things like this. Though 
audio from a video recording can be tricky and hard to judge depending on how 
the person has their mike positioned, it is an option.

Wayne

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread, 
> there was a suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years from 
> now.
> I'm sorry, but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up.
> Do we know at this point whether the speakers on the pro models 
> upcoming are any different than the 11 pro max? I read through the 
> specs and didn't  see that listed.
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Matthew,
It was Sieghard who suggested that to me. I do not believe one can purchase the 
Eleven Pro. It's just the 11 in 64 or 256 GB.
Les

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Bullis
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread, there was a 
suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years from now. I'm sorry, 
but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up. Do we know at 
this point whether the speakers on the pro models upcoming are any different 
than the 11 pro max? I read through the specs and didn't  see that listed.
Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Wayne Merritt]

My guess is the speakers on the 11 Pro Max are better and perhaps
louder than the 11, simply because the phone is bigger and there's
more separation between left and right, if the phone is held sideways
that is. The speakers might sound better than those on the 11 or 11
Pro, not sure on that since I haven't heard them to compare. I've been
using YouTube to look up things like this. Though audio from a video
recording can be tricky and hard to judge depending on how the person
has their mike positioned, it is an option.

Wayne

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread, there
> was a suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years from now.
> I'm sorry, but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up.
> Do we know at this point whether the speakers on the pro models upcoming are
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> that listed.
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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RE: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Richard Turner]

Of course, we won't know for sure until someone gets their hands on one and 
does their tear-down, but since that wasn’t mentioned at all by Apple, I 
suspect the speakers are the same.



Richard
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Subject: Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread, there was a 
suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years from now. I'm sorry, 
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Audio quality on the 11 vs the upcoming models?

[Matthew Bullis]

So as a follow-up question based on responses from my other thread, there was a 
suggestion of getting an 11 then a newer phone a few years from now. I'm sorry, 
but I couldn't find the name of the person who brought that up. Do we know at 
this point whether the speakers on the pro models upcoming are any different 
than the 11 pro max? I read through the specs and didn't  see that listed.
Thanks,
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Not for all, but a gaming headset that's for a PC will work with an iPhone.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

In May of this year, I purchased a Hyperx Stinger Cloud gaming headset. I got 
it for my laptop. It has both the audio and mic all on a 3.5 mm plug. I was 
waiting for paratransit, and, just for fun, I decided to see if it would work 
on my iPhone X. I plugged in the lightning adaptor to the headset, and plugged 
that into the iPhone. IT WORKED! This setup isn't for everyone, because these 
headphones completely cover the ears, and they do a great job of blocking out 
outside sounds. For me, it's great, because it's not buds, they're comfortable, 
and the phones have a volume control, so I can turn the phone's volume all the 
way up, have it in my pocket, and adjust to a comfortable level with the 
phones. For $50, it's not bad, and I can also use them on my laptop.

Just sharing. I'll say again that this isn't for everyone. It's just something 
to try out if you like.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Julian]

yes you can, but it's not nearly as convenient as using either touch or face ID.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Paul JOrdan  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
> to unlock your phone?
> Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
> phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 
> is still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out 
> and about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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RE: Wireless printers

[Richard Turner]

That one is an ink-jet not a Laser-Jet.  I strongly recommend against Ink-jet 
printers.

The HP store sales phone number is 1-866-625-3906

I hope that helps,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Wireless printers

Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company directly. 
That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and recommendations, both of 
you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished which may mean something 
different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did get the model number wrong 
it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a little overwhelming at this 
point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target sells them. And I can buy one 
on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
> just work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s 

Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company directly. 
That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and recommendations, both of 
you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished which may mean something 
different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did get the model number wrong 
it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a little overwhelming at this 
point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target sells them. And I can buy one 
on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
> just work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
> would be a drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that 
> that shouldn’t be too too difficult to get.
> Thanks.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Richard, 
I see a 2300 D, not a 2360 DW. Plus it says it’s a duo something which I have 
no clue about. There isn’t much info on the description of this thing other 
than that I can print on paper envelopes labels and fabric! Nothing about size 
etc. I also saw a review that talked about how the printer will just stop 
working when I want to buy a new cartridge even if there’s still ink left. But 
then I saw some reviews that mentioned how to reset that function. Sorry, I’m 
just not savvy about this sort of thing. Not sure what gets plugged into what. 
The USB cable is used to charge the printer? And does something get plugged 
into my wireless router? That kind of defeats the purpose of its being 
wireless, I thought. I must be in the dark about all this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
> just work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
> would be a drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that 
> that shouldn’t be too too difficult to get.
> Thanks.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, you can since you also need the passcode after the phone restarts just as 
with Touch Id.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
JOrdan
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
to unlock your phone?
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and the pups

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords in 
stereo, and small.


  Enviado desde 
Correo para Windows 10

De: Michael Maslo
Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
instead of facial ID?

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
>
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
>
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> orchard; but not quite.
>
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> well, I might add, then why not Apple?
>
> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> must reap, what we must.
>
> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
>
> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> Plus for a little longer.
>
> Mark
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RE: What streaming services are available in Canada

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is Grave TV as well as a bunchof free ones you can get like Classic 
Movies, Tuby etc. When I did a Google search for "streaming video services in 
Canada", the first link was this one:



All 26 Movie & TV Streaming Services in Canada 
Compared







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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jen .
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Hi I am aware of Netflix Prime video and Disney plus but wondering what other 
streaming services are available in Canada either that will work on an iPhone 
11 or the Apple TV fourth generation.

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RE: What streaming services are available in Canada

[Mich Verrier]

There is cbc jem nd crave tv those are 2 that I can think of off the top of my 
hed. Hth. From Mich from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

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Hi I am aware of Netflix Prime video and Disney plus but wondering what other 
streaming services are available in Canada either that will work on an iPhone 
11 or the Apple TV fourth generation.
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Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Oh, I remember this now. I must’ve made this inquiry a year or so ago. And I 
looked at the specs. Not sure why I decided against it then. Possibly size? I 
don’t have a lot of room to set anything extra up but I’m gonna have to 
reconsider that. OK I’m gonna jump on Amazon now see what I can fine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
> My brother printer and scanner works great with all my Apple products. Setup 
> is a breeze and integration is seamless across all devices. 
> All best,
> I
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
>> just work.
>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
>> to go.
>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>> little time.
>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
>> you can deselect the other pages.
>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>> printing.
>> 
>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>> from non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing 
>> with the ink cartridges.
>> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
>> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
>> cartridges as needed on your own.
>> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink 
>> jet.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
>> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
>> 
>> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
>> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
>> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
>> computers.
>> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
>> setup issue, not really the printers.
>> 
>> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
>> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
>> I will also give you some model numbers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Wireless printers
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
>> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
>> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
>> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
>> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
>> would be a drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that 
>> that shouldn’t be too too difficult to get.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Deidre
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Paul JOrdan]

If you are wearing a mask and have face ID, can you still use just a passcode 
to unlock your phone?

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

 

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords in 
stereo, and small.

 


  Enviado desde Correo 
  para Windows 10

 

De: Michael Maslo  
Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

 

Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
instead of facial ID?

 

Sincerely,

 

Michael maslo

 

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> > wrote:

> 

> Hello Everyone,

> 

> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint

> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  

> 

> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its

> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  

> 

> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple

> orchard; but not quite.

> 

> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new

> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a

> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every

> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely

> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  

> 

> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we

> must reap, what we must.  

> 

> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  

> 

> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8

> Plus for a little longer.

> 

> Mark

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RE: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just curious, why would you not buy a regular 12 with a 6.1 inch screen, still 
larger than your current 5.5 inch screen of your 6S Plus. In fact, you could 
buy an iPhone 11 which would cost youless than half of what the 12 Pro would 
cost and then when Apple releases their phones next year or the year after that 
and they include both in-display Touch Id and Face Id you can get one of them 
and sell your ipHone 11.

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Bullis
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a bunch of 
music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 max, since I want 
the long battery life and the screen size for braille screen input. I'll be 
upset if touch ID comes back in a phone in the next year, because I will have 
spent money in this phone, but oh well. My main question is about the lock 
screen. From working with the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable 
with the gesture of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but 
was checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't accidentally 
buy something just when you face towards the phone, because you need to click 
the side button twice, but will it stay on the lock screen while you're 
flipping through your notifications until you actually perform the home 
gesture? If you tap on a notification, I'm assuming you'll need to perform the 
home gesture to activate that part, then another home gesture to come out to 
the main screen? Is that correct?
Thanks, Matthew

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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Les,

Probably a wise choice not to pay top Dollar to get the iPhone 12, I think 
anybody who has anything from a 10 up is wasting their money. One thing, 
however, if I were to consider an upgrade I would certainly look at last year's 
iPhone 11 instead of the XR from 2 years ago. My wife and I hadn't planned to 
upgrade either this year and keep our iPhone 8 which we got 2 years ago. 
However, we had 64 Gb models and while I only use about half of that space, my 
wife likes to keep lots of photos and videos on her phone and hers was full. 
Then our provider here in Canada came out with a pretty good deal, I could get 
an iPhone 11 64 Gb for $33/month over 2 years with $0 up front, that is $792 
Canadian which works out to less than $600 US, not a super deal, but also not 
too bad so we went for it. Unfortunately they only offered the 11 with 64 Gb 
and since my wife likes smaller phones anyways we went with an iPhone 11 Pro 
for her with 256 Gb storage which cost the same $33 a month over 2 years + a 
downpayment of a few hundred Bucks, can't remember exactly how much, but again 
in the end a few hundred cheaper than if we had bought one outright. It seems 
that there is only a $100 or so difference between the XR and 11 and for that I 
think the 11 is a better choice, if you do want to sell it or trade it in in 2 
or 3 years you probably make that extra $100 back in resale value.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others,
Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting 
iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time to 
learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I am 
mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we wish. In 
the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her iPad if she 
wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various iPhome models. 
It really helped me make a decision for myself and the recommendation I offered 
my wife.
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is.
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with 

RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is exactly right, the little wall adapter and charging cable never come 
out of the box any more when I get a new iPhone. I do use the headset, but if 
they don't include one any more then Oh well, it's not a big deal, I like the 
Apple wired Earpods and usually have to get a new one at some point during the 
lifecycle of my current phone. As for are they kidding when they say that they 
are reducing their carbon footprint, I don't think so, these things might be 
small, but when you consider how many tens of Billions of these are being 
produced by Apple, Samsung, Google and all the other companies this is no small 
matter. I would be very surprised if Samsung and other wouldn't follow suit and 
verysoon their phones will ship without a charger also.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

For my part, I’m glad Apple is doing this. I have enough peripherals lying 
around the house, I don’t need any more, and I don’t need to be adding to my 
carbon foot print. I just wish Apple would knock a few dollars off the price of 
their devices, but as long as I keep buying them, I guess there’s no motivation 
for them to do that.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Darshan 
Beniwal
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:25 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I don't understand that why apple is not providing charger adopter and 
earphones/headphones? They claim that they didn't include these to reduce 
carbon emission. Are they kidding man or am I missing something else? If so one 
can imagine that in 2030 there release an iPhone 20, and will state that we 
didn't include headset/phone because we care about the environment and assume 
that buyer already have phone. ☺️ ☺️

On Friday, 16 October 2020 05:41:04 UTC+5:30, simon wrote:
But how is it that you know verizons 5g mm band is difficult to connect to when 
as yet it hasn't been released
And the iPhone 12 range hasn't even been pre ordered yet!

I do so love how people know how well these things work when they either 
haven’t tried them or the products are not even available.


Why don't people just wait for the devices and networks to be rolled out to the 
world and give it a go before you start bad mouthing things



-Original Message-
From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 6:57 am
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button.
I’m sticking with my 10 R.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point.
> Best Regards,
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> > On Behalf Of
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series??
>
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> 

Re: Wireless printers

[Ibraheem Fakir]

My brother printer and scanner works great with all my Apple products. Setup is 
a breeze and integration is seamless across all devices. 
All best,
I

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and yes, 
> you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should just 
> work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
> would be a drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that 
> that shouldn’t be too too difficult to get.
> Thanks.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Wireless printers

[Richard Turner]

OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and yes, 
you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should just 
work.
You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a few 
minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good to 
go.
When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little time.
When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, double 
tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
you can deselect the other pages.
Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
printing.

The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
faxing, scanning, etc.
Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may find 
another model with a similar feature set.
We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
ink cartridges.
You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer drum 
and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
cartridges as needed on your own.
You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.


If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wireless printers

I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple devices, 
th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows computers.
Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
setup issue, not really the printers.
 
I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it fixes 
the issue, I will let you know.
I will also give you some model numbers.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wireless printers

Hello all,
Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do that 
would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that would be a 
drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that that shouldn’t 
be too too difficult to get.
Thanks.

Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

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What streaming services are available in Canada

[Jen .]

Hi I am aware of Netflix Prime video and Disney plus but wondering what other 
streaming services are available in Canada either that will work on an iPhone 
11 or the Apple TV fourth generation.
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Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

I have found that setting in more and it is right after love. It is a toggle. 
I'm not too sure how it will work yet as I haven't played with it much, but 
that is where the setting is.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Matthew Bullis  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's 
> a switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I 
> personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on 
> the album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't know 
> if this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this to turn 
> off, and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to check here 
> first to see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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Considering a Mac book air

[Jen .]

Hi I am considering getting a Mac book air don’t really know nothing about them 
so wondering other than the device itself are there any other accessories I 
would need to make it accessible is there a certain amount of memory that is 
best when you are using voiceover and anything else anyone would wish to share 
about them to help make my purchasing easier and more informative.
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RE: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

[Richard Turner]

If you are still having the problem, you may want to call Apple Accessibility.
It sorted itself out a couple of days ago.
You may of course want to reboot your phone first and see if that clears out 
whatever the issue is, but Apple thinks it is a server issue for the source of 
the sports info, rather than a Siri issue.
But it works great for me now.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

I'm also  Experiencin' TheSame on My XS MAX, which is on Apple's iOS12.4.1, as 
Well as  on  My 11PRO, which is on  Apple's iOS13.7, so  I  Don'tThink 
Siri'sIssues  are a  Result of Apple's iOS14

At 10:47 AM 10/13/2020, you wrote:
>Richard, I am having the same problem with siri that you are having.  I 
>have hard the same thing from at least four other blind people who are 
>using ios 14.  I am not using the latest ios update, but am still 
>having the problem.
>
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>
>OK, I just confirmed that.
>So, maybe amazon has solved the bug but Apple has not.
>
>
>
>Richard
>"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>pass himself,† and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>
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>
>Richard:
>
>I just asked Alexa about the game in New Orleans last night and she 
>gave me the correct answer.
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RE: Wireless printers

[Richard Turner]

I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple devices, 
th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows computers.
Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
setup issue, not really the printers.
 
I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it fixes 
the issue, I will let you know.
I will also give you some model numbers.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wireless printers

Hello all,
Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do that 
would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that would be a 
drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that that shouldn’t 
be too too difficult to get.
Thanks.

Deidre

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Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Richard Turner]

The quickest way to find it is at the top of the main settings screen, there is 
a search box. Type the words
 tap to wake in there and it should come up first.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Jen .  wrote:

where would I find the tap to wake option in settings

On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I think that wake up command is tap to wake, not touch to wake.
When I had the iPhone 11 for work, I found turning off raise to wake, but 
leaving tap to wake on worked very well.
I had to actually tap the phone to wake it up then do the home gesture, just 
touching the screen did not wake it up.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

Matthew,
First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I like it 
much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the Touch ID devotees 
would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming Touch ID is better.
Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on the Lock 
screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home screen without you 
performing the gesture. When I double tap on a notification after unlocking my 
phone, I'm taken into that app, and then can use the Home slide gesture to get 
back to the Home screen. I think there was at 1 time a setting to make the 
phone unlock and take focus immediately to the Home Screen. I don't recall 
where it was or the name, but perhaps someone else knows. I like having to 
perform the home gesture though since it usually doesn't take any time at all 
for me to get to the home screen or wherever I was before. One setting you may 
wan to change is "touch to wake" which is found in Accessibility and Touch 
settings. This means each time you touch the screen the phone will wake up. 
This can get annoying fast, similar to raise to wake in theory. If you like for 
the phone to wake up each time you touch the screen or move it, then that's 
good.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a
bunch of music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12
max, since I want the long battery life and the screen size for
braille screen input. I'll be upset if touch ID comes back in a phone
in the next year, because I will have spent money in this phone, but
oh well. My main question is about the lock screen. From working with
the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable with the gesture
of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but was
checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't
accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone,
because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on
the lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until
you actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification,
I'm assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that part, 
then another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that correct?
Thanks, Matthew

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Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Jen .]

where would I find the tap to wake option in settings

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I think that wake up command is tap to wake, not touch to wake.
> When I had the iPhone 11 for work, I found turning off raise to wake, but 
> leaving tap to wake on worked very well.
> I had to actually tap the phone to wake it up then do the home gesture, just 
> touching the screen did not wake it up.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.
> 
> Matthew,
> First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
> as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I like it 
> much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the Touch ID 
> devotees would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming Touch ID is 
> better.
> Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on the Lock 
> screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home screen without you 
> performing the gesture. When I double tap on a notification after unlocking 
> my phone, I'm taken into that app, and then can use the Home slide gesture to 
> get back to the Home screen. I think there was at 1 time a setting to make 
> the phone unlock and take focus immediately to the Home Screen. I don't 
> recall where it was or the name, but perhaps someone else knows. I like 
> having to perform the home gesture though since it usually doesn't take any 
> time at all for me to get to the home screen or wherever I was before. One 
> setting you may wan to change is "touch to wake" which is found in 
> Accessibility and Touch settings. This means each time you touch the screen 
> the phone will wake up. This can get annoying fast, similar to raise to wake 
> in theory. If you like for the phone to wake up each time you touch the 
> screen or move it, then that's good.
> 
> Have fun,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
>> Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a 
>> bunch of music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 
>> max, since I want the long battery life and the screen size for 
>> braille screen input. I'll be upset if touch ID comes back in a phone 
>> in the next year, because I will have spent money in this phone, but 
>> oh well. My main question is about the lock screen. From working with 
>> the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable with the gesture 
>> of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but was 
>> checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't 
>> accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone, 
>> because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on 
>> the lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until 
>> you actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification, 
>> I'm assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that part, 
>> then another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that correct?
>> Thanks, Matthew
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RE: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

[Robin]

I'm also  Experiencin' TheSame on My XS MAX, 
which is on Apple's iOS12.4.1, as Well as  on  My 
11PRO, which is on  Apple's iOS13.7, 
so  I  Don'tThink Siri'sIssues  are a  Result of Apple's iOS14


At 10:47 AM 10/13/2020, you wrote:
Richard, I am having the same problem with siri 
that you are having.  I have hard the same thing 
from at least four other blind people who are 
using ios 14.  I am not using the latest ios 
update, but am still having the problem.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

OK, I just confirmed that.
So, maybe amazon has solved the bug but Apple has not.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge 
over which he must pass himself,† and we 
forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable 
that while I have regretted not granting grace 
to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

Richard:

I just asked Alexa about the game in New Orleans 
last night and she gave me the correct answer.


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Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Wayne Merritt]

I have Apple Music and haven't noticed this behavior. Can you describe
more where you are seeing it? Is it in the now playing screen? Also,
is it another enhancement from iOS 14.X? I have played whole albums
not in my playlists or library, and nothing happened when the album
finished. I haven't seen this with any play lists, but then again,
some of my play lists have literally hundreds of songs so I usually
don't reach he end when listening to them on and off over several
days.

Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Matthew,
> Do you have the Apple Music subscription?
> If that is the case, that is the difference since I do not subscribe to
> apple Music and so I have no option like that.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.
>
> Where are you finding this button?
> I did not find that option.
> There is an option to reorder the songs on an album, but nothing about
> playing related music that I can find.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Matthew Bullis
> mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's
> a switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I
> personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on
> the album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't
> know if this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this
> to turn off, and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to
> check here first to see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Matthew Bullis]

Yes, I've had Apple Music since the day it came out.
Matthew


On Oct 16, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Matthew,
Do you have the Apple Music subscription?
If that is the case, that is the difference since I do not subscribe to apple 
Music and so I have no option like that.
 
 
 
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.
 
Where are you finding this button?
I did not find that option.
There is an option to reorder the songs on an album, but nothing about playing 
related music that I can find.
 
 
 
 
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:

Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's a 
switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I 
personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on the 
album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't know if 
this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this to turn off, 
and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to check here first to 
see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
Thanks,
Matthew

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Unwanted automatic launching of zoom

[deidre muccio]

Hello again,
Is anyone else having the issue of hitting on a link which could be from 
anywhere, Amazon or a patient portal from some hospital that suddenly launches 
zoom and does not take you to where the link has otherwise promised to lead 
you? I find this horribly annoying. I’m on the verge of  deleting zoom and only 
reinstalling it when I have to do a virtual call.
Does anyone know a reason why this would be happening? Or how to solve the 
problem?

Deirdre


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Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do that 
would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that would be a 
drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that that shouldn’t 
be too too difficult to get.
Thanks.

Deidre

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RE: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Richard Turner]

I think that wake up command is tap to wake, not touch to wake.
When I had the iPhone 11 for work, I found turning off raise to wake, but 
leaving tap to wake on worked very well.
I had to actually tap the phone to wake it up then do the home gesture, just 
touching the screen did not wake it up.



Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

Matthew,
First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I like it 
much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the Touch ID devotees 
would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming Touch ID is better.
Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on the Lock 
screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home screen without you 
performing the gesture. When I double tap on a notification after unlocking my 
phone, I'm taken into that app, and then can use the Home slide gesture to get 
back to the Home screen. I think there was at 1 time a setting to make the 
phone unlock and take focus immediately to the Home Screen. I don't recall 
where it was or the name, but perhaps someone else knows. I like having to 
perform the home gesture though since it usually doesn't take any time at all 
for me to get to the home screen or wherever I was before. One setting you may 
wan to change is "touch to wake" which is found in Accessibility and Touch 
settings. This means each time you touch the screen the phone will wake up. 
This can get annoying fast, similar to raise to wake in theory. If you like for 
the phone to wake up each time you touch the screen or move it, then that's 
good.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a 
> bunch of music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 
> max, since I want the long battery life and the screen size for 
> braille screen input. I'll be upset if touch ID comes back in a phone 
> in the next year, because I will have spent money in this phone, but 
> oh well. My main question is about the lock screen. From working with 
> the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable with the gesture 
> of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but was 
> checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't 
> accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone, 
> because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on 
> the lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until 
> you actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification, 
> I'm assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that part, 
> then another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that correct?
> Thanks, Matthew
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Re: Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Wayne Merritt]

Matthew,
First off, glad to hear you're updating and moving to the "other side"
as it were with Face ID. Yes, Face ID can be tricky at times, but I
like it much better than touch ID, and sometimes wish that all of the
Touch ID devotees would try Face ID for a week, versus just claiming
Touch ID is better.
Regarding your questions, Yes, when you unlock the phone and stay on
the Lock screen, the phone will not automatically go to the home
screen without you performing the gesture. When I double tap on a
notification after unlocking my phone, I'm taken into that app, and
then can use the Home slide gesture to get back to the Home screen. I
think there was at 1 time a setting to make the phone unlock and take
focus immediately to the Home Screen. I don't recall where it was or
the name, but perhaps someone else knows. I like having to perform the
home gesture though since it usually doesn't take any time at all for
me to get to the home screen or wherever I was before. One setting you
may wan to change is "touch to wake" which is found in Accessibility
and Touch settings. This means each time you touch the screen the
phone will wake up. This can get annoying fast, similar to raise to
wake in theory. If you like for the phone to wake up each time you
touch the screen or move it, then that's good.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/16/20, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a bunch of
> music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 max, since I want
> the long battery life and the screen size for braille screen input. I'll be
> upset if touch ID comes back in a phone in the next year, because I will
> have spent money in this phone, but oh well. My main question is about the
> lock screen. From working with the phones of the students I teach, I'm
> comfortable with the gesture of press, slide, and lift to do the home and
> other things, but was checking on a few other things. I understand that you
> won't accidentally buy something just when you face towards the phone,
> because you need to click the side button twice, but will it stay on the
> lock screen while you're flipping through your notifications until you
> actually perform the home gesture? If you tap on a notification, I'm
> assuming you'll need to perform the home gesture to activate that part, then
> another home gesture to come out to the main screen? Is that correct?
> Thanks, Matthew
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RE: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Richard Turner]

Matthew,
Do you have the Apple Music subscription?
If that is the case, that is the difference since I do not subscribe to apple 
Music and so I have no option like that.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

Where are you finding this button?
I did not find that option.
There is an option to reorder the songs on an album, but nothing about playing 
related music that I can find.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Matthew Bullis 
mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's a 
switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I 
personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on the 
album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't know if 
this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this to turn off, 
and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to check here first to 
see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: Review iPhone 12 series??

[chaltain]

For my part, I’m glad Apple is doing this. I have enough peripherals lying 
around the house, I don’t need any more, and I don’t need to be adding to my 
carbon foot print. I just wish Apple would knock a few dollars off the price of 
their devices, but as long as I keep buying them, I guess there’s no motivation 
for them to do that.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Darshan 
Beniwal
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:25 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series??

 

I don't understand that why apple is not providing charger adopter and 
earphones/headphones? They claim that they didn't include these to reduce 
carbon emission. Are they kidding man or am I missing something else? If so one 
can imagine that in 2030 there release an iPhone 20, and will state that we 
didn't include headset/phone because we care about the environment and assume 
that buyer already have phone. ☺️ ☺️


On Friday, 16 October 2020 05:41:04 UTC+5:30, simon wrote:

But how is it that you know verizons 5g mm band is difficult to connect to when 
as yet it hasn't been released 
And the iPhone 12 range hasn't even been pre ordered yet! 

I do so love how people know how well these things work when they either 
haven’t tried them or the products are not even available. 


Why don't people just wait for the devices and networks to be rolled out to the 
world and give it a go before you start bad mouthing things 

  

-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten 
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2020 6:57 am 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series?? 

I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially 
Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect 
to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and 
AT are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think 
the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button. 
I’m sticking with my 10 R. 


Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler  > 
> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Alan, 
> I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it 
> will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, 
> I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously 
> considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon 
> rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I 
> purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill 
> would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not 
> have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying 
> an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm 
> now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any 
> comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were 
> available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could 
> change, but it does not matter to me at this point. 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> Les 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM 
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
> 
> I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use 
> of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging 
> accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into 
> their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at 
> home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my 
> cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com 
>  ] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM 
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
> Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? 
> 
> I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably 
> is. 
> What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings? 
> 
> If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I 
> understand the possible down sides. 
> If it is right for a person, then that's great! 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,  and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted 
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM 
> To: 

Re: The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Richard Turner]

Where are you finding this button?
I did not find that option.
There is an option to reorder the songs on an album, but nothing about playing 
related music that I can find.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:

Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's a 
switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I 
personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on the 
album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't know if 
this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this to turn off, 
and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to check here first to 
see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
Thanks,
Matthew

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Preparing for face ID as a new user.

[Matthew Bullis]

Hello, so I've held onto my 6s plus for five years, since I had a bunch of 
music and books on it. I'm planning on upgrading to the 12 max, since I want 
the long battery life and the screen size for braille screen input. I'll be 
upset if touch ID comes back in a phone in the next year, because I will have 
spent money in this phone, but oh well. My main question is about the lock 
screen. From working with the phones of the students I teach, I'm comfortable 
with the gesture of press, slide, and lift to do the home and other things, but 
was checking on a few other things. I understand that you won't accidentally 
buy something just when you face towards the phone, because you need to click 
the side button twice, but will it stay on the lock screen while you're 
flipping through your notifications until you actually perform the home 
gesture? If you tap on a notification, I'm assuming you'll need to perform the 
home gesture to activate that part, then another home gesture to come out to 
the main screen? Is that correct?
Thanks, Matthew

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The autoplay switch in the music app seems broken.

[Matthew Bullis]

Hello, if you're listening to your music with a specific album, now there's a 
switch that plays related music after your album or playlist finishes. I 
personally don't like this feature, and the switch shows up if you press on the 
album artwork. However, it says either on or selected on, so I don't know if 
this is broken from a Voiceover standpoint. I have not gotten this to turn off, 
and so before I send an email to accessibility, I wanted to check here first to 
see if anyone else has had this similar problem.
Thanks,
Matthew

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