Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

If using fingers is a problem, the Rivo is out. I am waiting for ios 13 beta to 
assess voice control?

> On 18 Jun 2019, at 17:41, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know much about the device, but with the Rivo be helpful in a 
> situation like this? 
> 
> Traci 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> We talked about that today. I think we got the fifty dollars worth out of 
>> the little white LG, but, he loves his iPad Pro. I think he'd like an iPhone 
>> better, and things that I know how to do like edit a contact, I could surely 
>> tell him. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mr. Ed
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?
>> 
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> Tell your husband to get a real phone and get an iPhone.
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?
>> 
>> Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor 
>> guy, I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up 
>> figuring out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ed Worrell
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 
>> 
>> Then it works without any issues.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
>>> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there 
>>> really is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Ed Worrell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>> 
>>> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and 
>>> it will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is 
>>> no reason why it shouldn’t work.
>>> 
>>> Ed W.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>>>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>>>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>>>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>>>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>>>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>>>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>>>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to 
>>>> help, they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure 
>>>> what the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are 
>>>> blind sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. 
>>>> They told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed 
>>>> out the problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive 
>>>> touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, 
>>>> but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another 
>>>> really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist 
>>>> problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go 
>>>> completely through my rotor settings after using on

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Traci Duncan]

I don’t know much about the device, but with the Rivo be helpful in a situation 
like this? 

Traci 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> We talked about that today. I think we got the fifty dollars worth out of the 
> little white LG, but, he loves his iPad Pro. I think he'd like an iPhone 
> better, and things that I know how to do like edit a contact, I could surely 
> tell him. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> Hi Carolyn,
> Tell your husband to get a real phone and get an iPhone.
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor 
> guy, I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up 
> figuring out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 
> 
> Then it works without any issues.
> 
> Ed
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
>> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there 
>> really is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Ed Worrell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>> 
>> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
>> will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
>> reason why it shouldn’t work.
>> 
>> Ed W.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to help, 
>>> they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what 
>>> the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are blind 
>>> sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. They 
>>> told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed out the 
>>> problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive touch to 
>>> the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, but at 
>>> least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another really 
>>> hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist problems. I 
>>> myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go completely through 
>>> my rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No understanding 
>>> of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this problem 
>>> and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone experience 
>>> even better for more people.
>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
>>> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, 
>>> maybe kissing the phone twice is a good way 

RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Carolyn Arnold]

We talked about that today. I think we got the fifty dollars worth out of the 
little white LG, but, he loves his iPad Pro. I think he'd like an iPhone 
better, and things that I know how to do like edit a contact, I could surely 
tell him. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?

Hi Carolyn,
Tell your husband to get a real phone and get an iPhone.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?

Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor guy, 
I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up figuring 
out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ed Worrell
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really 
> is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
> will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
> reason why it shouldn’t work.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to help, 
>> they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what 
>> the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are blind 
>> sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. They 
>> told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed out the 
>> problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive touch to 
>> the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, but at 
>> least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another really 
>> hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist problems. I 
>> myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go completely through my 
>> rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No understanding of 
>> why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this problem and 
>> hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone experience even 
>> better for more people.
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
>> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, 
>> maybe kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
>> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
>> VoiceOver.
>> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
>> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also 
>> have to have VoiceOver.
>> The old between a rock and a hard place.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Richard Turner]

Mr. Ed,
So where is that side switch setting you mentioned?
Richard


Check out my web site at: 
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“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Mr. Ed 
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:

Hi Carolyn,
Tell your husband to get a real phone and get an iPhone.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?

Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor guy, 
I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up figuring 
out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings.

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, you 
say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really is no 
reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Ed Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
reason why it shouldn’t work.

Ed W.


On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado 
mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her screen 
curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it off. I know 
this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in because when she put 
down the phone overnight just like that the next morning she tried on a whim 
and it went off. However, during the time she was having trouble because she 
had put on assisted touch I began trying to figure out how to make a new 
gesture for her in assistive touch. When I called Apple Accessibility about the 
problem,after I failed myself to help, they told me assistive touch is not 
hooked (wrong word, but not sure what the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense 
to me because people who are blind sometimes have difficulty with their hands 
just like sighted people. They told me there was no way to help the situation, 
but when I pointed out the problem she said she would absolutely put the 
problem of assistive touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may 
be a solution, but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist 
is another really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or 
wrist problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go 
completely through my rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No 
understanding of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this 
problem and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone 
experience even better for more people.
On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
VoiceOver.
I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
to have VoiceOver.
The old betwe

RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Carolyn,
Tell your husband to get a real phone and get an iPhone.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?

Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor guy, 
I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up figuring 
out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ed Worrell
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really 
> is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
> will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
> reason why it shouldn’t work.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to help, 
>> they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what 
>> the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are blind 
>> sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. They 
>> told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed out the 
>> problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive touch to 
>> the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, but at 
>> least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another really 
>> hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist problems. I 
>> myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go completely through my 
>> rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No understanding of 
>> why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this problem and 
>> hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone experience even 
>> better for more people.
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
>> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, 
>> maybe kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
>> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
>> VoiceOver.
>> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
>> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also 
>> have to have VoiceOver.
>> The old between a rock and a hard place.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>> don't have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>&g

RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Man, while ago, my sighted husband wanted some help with his Android. Poor guy, 
I tried to help from what I know with iPhone, but I think he ended up figuring 
out what he needed, after accidentally calling his nephew. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ed Worrell
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:48 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really 
> is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
> will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
> reason why it shouldn’t work.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to help, 
>> they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what 
>> the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are blind 
>> sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. They 
>> told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed out the 
>> problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive touch to 
>> the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, but at 
>> least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another really 
>> hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist problems. I 
>> myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go completely through my 
>> rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No understanding of 
>> why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this problem and 
>> hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone experience even 
>> better for more people.
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
>> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, 
>> maybe kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
>> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
>> VoiceOver.
>> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
>> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also 
>> have to have VoiceOver.
>> The old between a rock and a hard place.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>> don't have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>>> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>> 
>>> Pushing the sleep power button does

RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Carolyn Arnold]

As long as Voice Control does not take anything away from Voice Over, it is 
unfortunate that we might not be able to use it, but if it takes something away 
from Voice Over, then, big time problem. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?

Exactly, voice control sounds great, but it would appear that at least parts of 
it require sight, e.g. you ask for the grid to come up which displays numbers 
on the screen for certain items and you have to be able to see the number which 
corresponds to an item. Let's not forget that feature is primarily meant for 
people with mobility issues, people who are paralized or can't easily tap and 
swipe for whatever reason. Let's also not forget that voice input programs like 
Dragon Naturally Speaking always have required users to jump through quite a 
few hoops to work with screenreaders. As Harry said, let's wait and see, we 
should find out more relatively soon as the first public beta will probably 
come out in about 3 weeks give or take a few days. Of course we have to wait 
and see if public beta 1 is safe to install especially for those who have only 
one device and have to rely on it for daily use. I know, for example, that for 
Voiceover users of the first developer beta the app store apparently was 
unusable so let's see.

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

We live in hope! No evidence yet in all Apple comments to indicate voice 
control will work with VoiceOver, but I’ll sign up for public beta to find out!
Cheers
Harry

> On 13 Jun 2019, at 06:30, 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can see why no one has mentioned this yet, but suffice to say in iOS 13 
> there may be a feature that can help, depending how much VoiceOver will or 
> will not work from the outset. It is called Voice Control and it is going to 
> work a lot like the days of Dragon Naturalyspeaking on Windows if anybody can 
> remember that? In other words, you will be able to tell your iOS device 
> exactly what to do just by using your voice. This includes dictating and 
> editing text, navigating and using apps, and so on. So, in theory, your 
> client could say, as of iOS 13, `tap end call`, and the call should end, just 
> like that. Also, no voice commands will be sent to Apple; it will all be 
> processed on the device.
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:20, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
>> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
>> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
>> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She 
>> can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
>> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
>> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
>> call?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Richard Turner]

That sounds hopeful, but could you say exactly where in settings that lives?
I cannot find anything like that on my phones.
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On Jun 13, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Ed Worrell 
mailto:blindworr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings.

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, you 
say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really is no 
reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
reason why it shouldn’t work.

Ed W.


On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado 
mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her screen 
curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it off. I know 
this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in because when she put 
down the phone overnight just like that the next morning she tried on a whim 
and it went off. However, during the time she was having trouble because she 
had put on assisted touch I began trying to figure out how to make a new 
gesture for her in assistive touch. When I called Apple Accessibility about the 
problem,after I failed myself to help, they told me assistive touch is not 
hooked (wrong word, but not sure what the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense 
to me because people who are blind sometimes have difficulty with their hands 
just like sighted people. They told me there was no way to help the situation, 
but when I pointed out the problem she said she would absolutely put the 
problem of assistive touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may 
be a solution, but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist 
is another really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or 
wrist problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go 
completely through my rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No 
understanding of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this 
problem and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone 
experience even better for more people.
On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
VoiceOver.
I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
to have VoiceOver.
The old between a rock and a hard place.
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On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie 
mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice commands 
rather than voi

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

You have to turn off the double click side/lock button in settings. 

Then it works without any issues.

Ed

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, 
> you say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really 
> is no reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
> Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
> will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
> reason why it shouldn’t work.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her 
>> screen curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it 
>> off. I know this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in 
>> because when she put down the phone overnight just like that the next 
>> morning she tried on a whim and it went off. However, during the time she 
>> was having trouble because she had put on assisted touch I began trying to 
>> figure out how to make a new gesture for her in assistive touch. When I 
>> called Apple Accessibility about the problem,after I failed myself to help, 
>> they told me assistive touch is not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what 
>> the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense to me because people who are blind 
>> sometimes have difficulty with their hands just like sighted people. They 
>> told me there was no way to help the situation, but when I pointed out the 
>> problem she said she would absolutely put the problem of assistive touch to 
>> the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may be a solution, but at 
>> least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist is another really 
>> hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or wrist problems. I 
>> myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go completely through my 
>> rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No understanding of 
>> why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this problem and 
>> hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone experience even 
>> better for more people.
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
>> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, 
>> maybe kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
>> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
>> VoiceOver.
>> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
>> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also 
>> have to have VoiceOver.
>> The old between a rock and a hard place.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
>> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
>> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
>> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
>> The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>> don't have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>>> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>> 
>>> Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
>>> that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing 
>>> the power button did nothing.
>>> It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger 
>>> and double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to 
>>> hang up the call if VoiceOver is on.
>>> 
>>> I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
>>> T

RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, voice control sounds great, but it would appear that at least parts of 
it require sight, e.g. you ask for the grid to come up which displays numbers 
on the screen for certain items and you have to be able to see the number which 
corresponds to an item. Let's not forget that feature is primarily meant for 
people with mobility issues, people who are paralized or can't easily tap and 
swipe for whatever reason. Let's also not forget that voice input programs like 
Dragon Naturally Speaking always have required users to jump through quite a 
few hoops to work with screenreaders. As Harry said, let's wait and see, we 
should find out more relatively soon as the first public beta will probably 
come out in about 3 weeks give or take a few days. Of course we have to wait 
and see if public beta 1 is safe to install especially for those who have only 
one device and have to rely on it for daily use. I know, for example, that for 
Voiceover users of the first developer beta the app store apparently was 
unusable so let's see.

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

We live in hope! No evidence yet in all Apple comments to indicate voice 
control will work with VoiceOver, but I’ll sign up for public beta to find out!
Cheers
Harry

> On 13 Jun 2019, at 06:30, 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can see why no one has mentioned this yet, but suffice to say in iOS 13 
> there may be a feature that can help, depending how much VoiceOver will or 
> will not work from the outset. It is called Voice Control and it is going to 
> work a lot like the days of Dragon Naturalyspeaking on Windows if anybody can 
> remember that? In other words, you will be able to tell your iOS device 
> exactly what to do just by using your voice. This includes dictating and 
> editing text, navigating and using apps, and so on. So, in theory, your 
> client could say, as of iOS 13, `tap end call`, and the call should end, just 
> like that. Also, no voice commands will be sent to Apple; it will all be 
> processed on the device.
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:20, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
>> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
>> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
>> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She 
>> can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
>> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
>> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
>> call?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone]

In an Applevis podcast where they interviewed a couple of the accessibility 
team at Apple, they did state that Voice Control will probably work with 
headphones when VoiceOver is on, but that was all. They are initially hoping to 
get it working for the community it was intended for, then improve from there, 
like they did with Assisted Touch all them years ago.

> On 13 Jun 2019, at 06:50, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> We live in hope! No evidence yet in all Apple comments to indicate voice 
> control will work with VoiceOver, but I’ll sign up for public beta to find 
> out!
> Cheers
> Harry
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2019, at 06:30, 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can see why no one has mentioned this yet, but suffice to say in iOS 13 
>> there may be a feature that can help, depending how much VoiceOver will or 
>> will not work from the outset. It is called Voice Control and it is going to 
>> work a lot like the days of Dragon Naturalyspeaking on Windows if anybody 
>> can remember that? In other words, you will be able to tell your iOS device 
>> exactly what to do just by using your voice. This includes dictating and 
>> editing text, navigating and using apps, and so on. So, in theory, your 
>> client could say, as of iOS 13, `tap end call`, and the call should end, 
>> just like that. Also, no voice commands will be sent to Apple; it will all 
>> be processed on the device.
>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:20, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, 
>>> raise to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 
>>> seconds and she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is 
>>> that, if the number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end 
>>> the call! She can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but 
>>> the two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is 
>>> impossible to summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she 
>>> might end a phone call?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

We live in hope! No evidence yet in all Apple comments to indicate voice 
control will work with VoiceOver, but I’ll sign up for public beta to find out!
Cheers
Harry

> On 13 Jun 2019, at 06:30, 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can see why no one has mentioned this yet, but suffice to say in iOS 13 
> there may be a feature that can help, depending how much VoiceOver will or 
> will not work from the outset. It is called Voice Control and it is going to 
> work a lot like the days of Dragon Naturalyspeaking on Windows if anybody can 
> remember that? In other words, you will be able to tell your iOS device 
> exactly what to do just by using your voice. This includes dictating and 
> editing text, navigating and using apps, and so on. So, in theory, your 
> client could say, as of iOS 13, `tap end call`, and the call should end, just 
> like that. Also, no voice commands will be sent to Apple; it will all be 
> processed on the device.
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:20, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
>> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
>> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
>> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She 
>> can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
>> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
>> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
>> call?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone]

I can see why no one has mentioned this yet, but suffice to say in iOS 13 there 
may be a feature that can help, depending how much VoiceOver will or will not 
work from the outset. It is called Voice Control and it is going to work a lot 
like the days of Dragon Naturalyspeaking on Windows if anybody can remember 
that? In other words, you will be able to tell your iOS device exactly what to 
do just by using your voice. This includes dictating and editing text, 
navigating and using apps, and so on. So, in theory, your client could say, as 
of iOS 13, `tap end call`, and the call should end, just like that. Also, no 
voice commands will be sent to Apple; it will all be processed on the device.

> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:20, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
> call?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think that used to work on some of the older phones, but it does not now, you 
say there is no reason why it shouldn't work, but then again there really is no 
reason why it should if Apple doesn't set it up this way.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:18 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
reason why it shouldn’t work.

Ed W.


> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her screen 
> curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it off. I know 
> this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in because when she 
> put down the phone overnight just like that the next morning she tried on a 
> whim and it went off. However, during the time she was having trouble because 
> she had put on assisted touch I began trying to figure out how to make a new 
> gesture for her in assistive touch. When I called Apple Accessibility about 
> the problem,after I failed myself to help, they told me assistive touch is 
> not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what the word is, to VO. It didn't make 
> sense to me because people who are blind sometimes have difficulty with their 
> hands just like sighted people. They told me there was no way to help the 
> situation, but when I pointed out the problem she said she would absolutely 
> put the problem of assistive touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if 
> there may be a solution, but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and 
> the twist is another really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, 
> shaking or wrist problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have 
> to go completely through my rotor settings after using one to find a previous 
> one. No understanding of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they 
> work on this problem and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the 
> iPhone experience even better for more people.
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
> kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
> VoiceOver.
> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
> to have VoiceOver.
> The old between a rock and a hard place.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
> The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
> don't have any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>  
>> Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
>> that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing 
>> the power button did nothing.
>> It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
>> double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang 
>> up the call if VoiceOver is on.
>>  
>> I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
>> This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
>> Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
>> Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
>> disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> l

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Jewel]

Sieghard!  I wanted, but with, considerable trouble,  resisted the temptation 
to ask Tara a similar question!

   Jewel


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 2:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ending a call with Siri?


Sorry, Tara, I refuse to be seen smooching with my iPhone 😗🤣

Why would I try to double tap my phone with my lips if I can do so with my 
fingers?

As for iOS 13, I strongly suspect that with the new voice control you will be 
able to hang up a phone call by voice and hopefully even tell it to dial a 
number when you call somewhere and it asks, for example, Press 1 for English 
etc. 

We'll have to wait and see as to how useful and accessible these voice controls 
are for a Voiceover user. The Google Home speakers, by the way, can already do 
this. If you call a number where you have to make a selection you can just say 
"Hey google, dial 1" or simply "Hey Google, 2".

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

 

Here is an innovative way of disconnecting the call. Or achieving the effect of 
double finger double tap   You can gently tap the screen of  the phone two 
times on slightly  parted lips. I have tried it and it works  please try that

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:

> 

> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
> call?

> Thanks

> Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[TaraPrakash]

Technically it is not kissing. And of course not smooching either Sieghard  
it’s like bumping onto something with your lips slightly parted. People do  
salivate for iPhones, your phone will not enjoy the saliva though. 
For  three finger gestures, two lips and one nose can be used together.   I am 
finding this discovery hilarious and yet very useful.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
> kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
> VoiceOver.
> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
> to have VoiceOver.
> The old between a rock and a hard place.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>  
>> Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
>> that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing 
>> the power button did nothing.
>> It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
>> double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang 
>> up the call if VoiceOver is on.
>>  
>> I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
>> This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
>> Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
>> Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
>> disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>  
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles 
>>>> to tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, 
>>>> raise to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 
>>>> seconds and she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is 
>>>> that, if the number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end 
>>>> the call! She can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but 
>>>> the two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t  realised that it is 
>>>> impossible to summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she 
>>>> might end a phone call?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I just tried this myself: I rang a number and when it went through to 
voicemail. I quickly double clicked the power/sleep button. My iPhone thought I 
wanted to pay for something! When I dismissed that, the phone call to the 
company’s voicemail was still continuing. So, it does look like there is no way 
to end a phone call when using VoiceOver if you cannot manage double-taps. I do 
hope iOS 13 sorts this out!
Regards
Harry

> On 12 Jun 2019, at 19:31, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Can she try pressing the Lock Button twice, like you would to send an 
> Incoming call to VoiceMail? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 8:21 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Ending a call with Siri?
> 
> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
> call?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Right, I thought, maybe pressing twice might. Then, eventually, she is going to 
have to delete her recent calls, voice mails, message, reminders - all that 
stuff, regardless how helpful Siri is, she does not have deleting capability. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?

Chris


> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
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> call?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Can she try pressing the Lock Button twice, like you would to send an Incoming 
call to VoiceMail? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 8:21 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Ending a call with Siri?

I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to tap 
or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Ed Worrell]

I remember seeing somewhere that you can double press the lock button and it 
will hang up a phone call. I believe it works with VoiceOver. There is no 
reason why it shouldn’t work.

Ed W.


> On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:01 AM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her screen 
> curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it off. I know 
> this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in because when she 
> put down the phone overnight just like that the next morning she tried on a 
> whim and it went off. However, during the time she was having trouble because 
> she had put on assisted touch I began trying to figure out how to make a new 
> gesture for her in assistive touch. When I called Apple Accessibility about 
> the problem,after I failed myself to help, they told me assistive touch is 
> not hooked (wrong word, but not sure what the word is, to VO. It didn't make 
> sense to me because people who are blind sometimes have difficulty with their 
> hands just like sighted people. They told me there was no way to help the 
> situation, but when I pointed out the problem she said she would absolutely 
> put the problem of assistive touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if 
> there may be a solution, but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and 
> the twist is another really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, 
> shaking or wrist problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have 
> to go completely through my rotor settings after using one to find a previous 
> one. No understanding of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they 
> work on this problem and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the 
> iPhone experience even better for more people.
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
> If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
> kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
> Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
> VoiceOver.
> I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
> iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
> to have VoiceOver.
> The old between a rock and a hard place.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
>> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
>> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
>> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>>  
>> Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
>> that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing 
>> the power button did nothing.
>> It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
>> double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang 
>> up the call if VoiceOver is on.
>>  
>> I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
>> This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
>> Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
>> Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
>> disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>  
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sle

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[regina alvarado]

This is an interesting and timely problem. I have a friend who got her screen 
curtain on but could not do the three finger triple tap to get it off. I know 
this was anxiety and perhaps a little frustration mixed in because when she put 
down the phone overnight just like that the next morning she tried on a whim 
and it went off. However, during the time she was having trouble because she 
had put on assisted touch I began trying to figure out how to make a new 
gesture for her in assistive touch. When I called Apple Accessibility about the 
problem,after I failed myself to help, they told me assistive touch is not 
hooked (wrong word, but not sure what the word is, to VO. It didn't make sense 
to me because people who are blind sometimes have difficulty with their hands 
just like sighted people. They told me there was no way to help the situation, 
but when I pointed out the problem she said she would absolutely put the 
problem of assistive touch to the engineers. So, no way of knowing if there may 
be a solution, but at least they are looking into it. The rotor and the twist 
is another really hard gesture to do for people with bad hands, shaking or 
wrist problems. I myself can do it, but I cannot turn back. I have to go 
completely through my rotor settings after using one to find a previous one. No 
understanding of why. My wrist just won't go left. Anyway, if they work on this 
problem and hook the answer to VO I think it can only make the iPhone 
experience even better for more people.
On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
VoiceOver.
I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
to have VoiceOver.
The old between a rock and a hard place.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie  wrote:

> This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice 
> commands rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the 
> future. For now, I can’t see a solution.
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?
>  
> Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
> that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing 
> the power button did nothing.
> It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
> double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang 
> up the call if VoiceOver is on.
>  
> I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
> This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
> Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
> Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
> disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
> Richard
>  
>  
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, 
>>> raise to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 
>>> seconds and she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is 
>>> that, if the number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end 
>>> the call! She c

Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Richard Turner]

Switch controls do not work with VoiceOver, so that option is out.
If you cannot double tap with two fingers because of a tremor disorder, maybe 
kissing the phone twice is a good way to go.
Maybe, just maybe, with iOS 13 Apple will finally allow switch controls with 
VoiceOver.
I've complained about this from day one as some of our clients cannot use 
iPhones because of tremors and switch controls are out because they also have 
to have VoiceOver.
The old between a rock and a hard place.
Richard


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C633c05971fbe4621637e08d6bb714c96%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902492616129219&sdata=9qG6zwn2QJ9Xe5fJyao6MewzLG36u7TAieLK72Tg19c%3D&reserved=0>
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Marie 
mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice commands 
rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the future. For 
now, I can’t see a solution.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing the 
power button did nothing.
It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang up 
the call if VoiceOver is on.

I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
Richard


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf0f83bb5bf124a81884c08d6ef47e84b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636959489449223103&sdata=WiMmGMBoNNPuPfQRdIKf2WiQSiXLLKrjZnoiRputkXI%3D&reserved=0>
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:


Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?

Chris


On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to tap 
or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Marie]

This might be a case where the user would benefit more from the Choice commands 
rather than voiceover. I would look into that possibility for the future. For 
now, I can’t see a solution.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Ending a call with Siri?

Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing the 
power button did nothing.
It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang up 
the call if VoiceOver is on.

I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



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any." -- Alice Walker




On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:



  Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?

  Chris



On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?

Thanks

Harry



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RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

She may benefit from a switch, I don't know much about switch control, but I 
think it is designed for people like this.


-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:21 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Ending a call with Siri?

I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to tap 
or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?
Thanks
Harry

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RE: Ending a call with Siri?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, Tara, I refuse to be seen smooching with my iPhone 😗🤣

Why would I try to double tap my phone with my lips if I can do so with my 
fingers?

As for iOS 13, I strongly suspect that with the new voice control you will be 
able to hang up a phone call by voice and hopefully even tell it to dial a 
number when you call somewhere and it asks, for example, Press 1 for English 
etc.

We'll have to wait and see as to how useful and accessible these voice controls 
are for a Voiceover user. The Google Home speakers, by the way, can already do 
this. If you call a number where you have to make a selection you can just say 
"Hey google, dial 1" or simply "Hey Google, 2".



Regards,

Sieghard



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Here is an innovative way of disconnecting the call. Or achieving the effect of 
double finger double tap   You can gently tap the screen of  the phone two 
times on slightly  parted lips. I have tried it and it works  please try that





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> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
> call?

> Thanks

> Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[TaraPrakash]

Here is an innovative way of disconnecting the call. Or achieving the effect of 
double finger double tap   You can gently tap the screen of  the phone two 
times on slightly  parted lips. I have tried it and it works  please try that
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
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> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can 
> manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
> call?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’ve just written to apple accessibility. After all, I can ask Siri on HomePod 
to end a call, so good idea for iOS 13!
Thanks
Harry

On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:54, Richard Turner  wrote:

>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
>> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
>> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
>> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She 
>> can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
>> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
>> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
>> call?
>> Thanks
>> Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

That is the way to reject an incoming call, but if you are the person making 
the call, pressing the power button just locks the screen and you are still on 
that call. Thanks anyway. 
Harry

> On 12 Jun 2019, at 13:41, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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> Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?
> 
> Chris
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>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
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>> I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to 
>> tap or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise 
>> to wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and 
>> she can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the 
>> number she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She 
>> can manage to single click or hold down the Home button, but the 
>> two-fingerdouble-tap is too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to 
>> summon Siri during a phone call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone 
>> call?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Richard Turner]

Pushing the sleep power button does not hang up the phone. I just confirmed 
that by calling my office and when the answering machine answered, pressing the 
power button did nothing.
It would appear that either touching the end call button with one finger and 
double tapping, or using the two finger double tap are the only ways to hang up 
the call if VoiceOver is on.

I am fairly sure Siri cannot help here.
This would be a good thing to point out to Apple, both through Apple 
Accessibility and through the feedback form on their web site.
Given their plans to make iOS 13 more useable for people with physical 
disabilities maybe they could do something about this.
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On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:41 AM, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?

Chris


On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to tap 
or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Ending a call with Siri?

[Chris Chaffin]

Could be wrong, but doesn't hitting the sleep / power button hang up a call?

Chris


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Ending a call with Siri?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’m helping a lady with very little sight and Parkinson’s: she struggles to tap 
or swipe, so I set up her iphone 7 with VoiceOver on, no passcode, raise to 
wake on and iPhone set to automatically answer calls after 5 seconds and she 
can use Hey Siri to make calls. What she’s just found is that, if the number 
she calls goes onto voicemail, she has no way to end the call! She can manage 
to single click or hold down the Home button, but the two-fingerdouble-tap is 
too hard. I hadn’t realised that it is impossible to summon Siri during a phone 
call. Does anyone know how she might end a phone call?
Thanks
Harry

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