RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I am just posting a test message to this thread. Please ignore. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 6:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? And even if they crack the code they might find resetting the phone challenging without the apple password. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 13, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the voice and toss the phone away. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
And even if they crack the code they might find resetting the phone challenging without the apple password. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 13, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the voice and toss the phone away. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new.
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the voice and toss the phone away. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? &
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the voice and toss the phone away. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal.
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the voice and toss the phone away. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tr
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Yes, anyone here does too, but they're not crooks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out with the black screen. It's quite entertaining A thief would probably just toss the phone which really isn't a problem in terms of data because of the cloud backups. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain. And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen curtain is. A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said: Screen curtain to protect your privacy Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using VoiceOver. Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you don't want anyone to see. You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and touch-sensitive – but turn the display off. Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen to your bank balance read aloud. Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal. To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it on. Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers. I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use of your iPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 20
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Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out with the black screen. It's quite entertaining A thief would probably just toss the phone which really isn't a problem in terms of data because of the cloud backups. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain. And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen curtain is. A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said: Screen curtain to protect your privacy Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using VoiceOver. Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you don't want anyone to see. You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and touch-sensitive – but turn the display off. Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen to your bank balance read aloud. Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal. To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it on. Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers. I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use of your iPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone fro
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But my cousin says that some thieves are very savvy. I figured with Screen Curtain and Voiceover on, they'd just pitch it, and I have said that loud and clear all around here to friends, so that they'll believe it, pass on the rumor and maybe spare me a local thief or two. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 3:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide
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Sieghard, my cousin says that exact, same thing. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating an
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Yes, you do pay for that plan. So, when I contact AT, I am going to see what they offer me, and then turn in my 11 and charge the price on my Visa card, like where they charge my bill. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure you know the details. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me > a trade up. > > I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I > am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > chrisjudge1...@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be > much different and you will get the nice new start up chime. > > Chris Judge > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn > Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, > my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do > want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, > but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what > color things were. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, > 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was > under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From > Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see > the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if > you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much > prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in > Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these > Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the > battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate > when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will > try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as > well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there
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I'm with you there, 100%. I am way not above allowing someone to use my phone, but someone I know, and in a situation that I more or les control, as far as the phone is concerned. I am not in the habit of leaving mine lying out other than sometimes at home. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Les Kriegler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to > buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s > friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s > over the top. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer wrote: > > > > > >Yes, I keep mine in direct > contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, > everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people > who can see absolutely crazy. > > > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > > >I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my > phone it’s me. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale > mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face > ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, > I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the > numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. > > > >I feel so badly for you. > > > >Esther > >Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > > > > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com > <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been > pissed as well. > >Chris Judge > > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. > Taylor >Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM >To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> >Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > >You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > >Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > >Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine > and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone > because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up > the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could > unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. > >It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > >I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see > her pick up my phone?" Wow! > >I just don't like Face ID! > > Mark > > -Original Message- >
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I completely agree with you Sieghard. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain. And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen curtain is. A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said: Screen curtain to protect your privacy Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using VoiceOver. Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you don't want anyone to see. You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and touch-sensitive – but turn the display off. Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen to your bank balance read aloud. Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal. To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it on. Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers. I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use of your iPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna &g
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Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain. And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen curtain is. A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said: Screen curtain to protect your privacy Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using VoiceOver. Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you don't want anyone to see. You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and touch-sensitive – but turn the display off. Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen to your bank balance read aloud. Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal. To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it on. Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers. I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use of your iPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > con
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Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I know love and trust. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely &
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I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure you know the details. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me > a trade up. > > I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I > am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > chrisjudge1...@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be > much different and you will get the nice new start up chime. > > Chris Judge > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn > Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, > my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do > want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, > but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what > color things were. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, > 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was > under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From > Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see > the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if > you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much > prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in > Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these > Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the > battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate > when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will > try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as > well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera > on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the > emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot > could offer some peace of mind. > And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a > good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going >
Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Les Kriegler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to > buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s > friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s > over the top. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer wrote: > > > > > >Yes, I keep mine in direct > contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, > everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people > who can see absolutely crazy. > > > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > > >I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my > phone it’s me. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale > mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face > ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, > I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the > numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. > > > >I feel so badly for you. > > > >Esther > >Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > > > > > >On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com > <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been > pissed as well. > >Chris Judge > > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. > Taylor >Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM >To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> >Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > >You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > >Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > >Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine > and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone > because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up > the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could > unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. > >It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > >I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see > her pick up my phone?" Wow! > >I just don't like Face ID! > > Mark > > -Original Message- >From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen >Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM >To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> >Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > >I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than > facial ID
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me a trade up. I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be much different and you will get the nice new start up chime. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things were. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPh
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over
the top.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer
wrote:
Yes, I keep mine in
direct contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery
life, everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive
people who can see absolutely crazy.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my
phone it’s me.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put
in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your
post, I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in
the numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened.
I feel so badly for you.
Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd
have been pissed as well.
Chris Judge
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or
low vision.
Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend
of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone
because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the
phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock
the device by simply pointing it towards me.
It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the
least.
I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough
vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow!
I just don't like Face ID!
Mark
-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure
than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our
phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could
lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all
within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just
happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more
secure.
Donna
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Plus,l the friend was just one more bully for blind people. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >> going to miss Touch ID. >>
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I'm like you, Les, pocket or purse, but pocket if at all possible.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone
it’s me.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale
wrote:
Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face
ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post,
I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the
numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened.
I feel so badly for you.
Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been
pissed as well.
Chris Judge
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine
and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because
she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone
but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the
device by simply pointing it towards me.
It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.
I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to
see her pick up my phone?" Wow!
I just don't like Face ID!
Mark
-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On
Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than
facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone
out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock
the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within
15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened &
to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
Donna
I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I
don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but
I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to
be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without
having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a
feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their
unwillingness to learn something new.
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook
-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I agree with whoever it was that said when they first
got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now
for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+
with touch ID. And I have to use my
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Me as well. Chris Judge <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: September 12, 2022 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone it’s me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. I feel so badly for you. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> wrote: Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> > wrote: Hello Dennis and Everyone, Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, with iPhone release this time around. I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account se
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You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be much different and you will get the nice new start up chime. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things were. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid
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Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over the top. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer wrote: > > > Yes, I keep mine in direct > contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, > everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people > who can see absolutely crazy. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone > it’s me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale > wrote: > > Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face ID, > and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll > stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the > numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. > > I feel so badly for you. > > Esther > > Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > > > On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. > > Chris Judge > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > > Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > > Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she > picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she > wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, > thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device > by simply pointing it towards me. > > It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > > I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up > my phone?" Wow! > > I just don't like Face ID! > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial > IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out > of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the > phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within > 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened > & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. > > Donna > > > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big >
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Yes, I keep mine in direct contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people who can see absolutely crazy. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone it’s me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. I feel so badly for you. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> wrote: Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> > wrote: Hello Dennis and Everyone, Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, with iPhone release this time around. I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not go
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Why didn't she use her own phone? My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >> going to miss Touch ID. >> >> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >> iPhone 14. >> >> Mark >> >> >> &
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I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone it’s me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale > wrote: > > Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face ID, > and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll > stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the > numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. > > I feel so badly for you. > > Esther > > Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > >>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. >> >> Chris Judge >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. >> Taylor >> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. >> >> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. >> >> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she >> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she >> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone >> but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the >> device by simply pointing it towards me. >> >> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. >> >> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up >> my phone?" Wow! >> >> I just don't like Face ID! >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Donna Casteen >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial >> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out >> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock >> the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within >> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just >> happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be >> more secure. >> >> Donna >> >>> >>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, >>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch >>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more >>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having >>> to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a >>> feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their >>> unwillingness to learn something new. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Mary Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face >>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and >>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. >>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the >>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they >>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, >>> but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down >>> from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s >>> not that big of a deal. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >>>> >>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >>>> >>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >>>> worst, with
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NO KIDDING! RIGHT? ESTHER Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > > Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > > Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she > picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she > wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, > thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device > by simply pointing it towards me. > > It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > > I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up > my phone?" Wow! > > I just don't like Face ID! > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial > IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out > of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the > phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within > 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened > & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. > > Donna > >> >> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, >> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch >> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more >> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to >> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature >> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to >> learn something new. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Outlook >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face >> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and >> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. >> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the >> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they >> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but >> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from >> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not >> that big of a deal. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >>> >>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >>> >>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >>> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >>> >>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >>> >>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >>> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles >>> I've read, recently. >>> >>> I just don't know, I just don't know. >>> >>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >>> going to miss Touch ID. >>> >>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >>> iPhone 14. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long >>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have L
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Wow! What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you! I never put in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick to my pass code. However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers? Oops! That would be horrible if that happened. I feel so badly for you. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. > > Chris Judge > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > > Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > > Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she > picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she > wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, > thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device > by simply pointing it towards me. > > It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > > I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up > my phone?" Wow! > > I just don't like Face ID! > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial > IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out > of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the > phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within > 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened > & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. > > Donna > >> >> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, >> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch >> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more >> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to >> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature >> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to >> learn something new. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Outlook >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face >> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and >> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. >> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the >> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they >> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but >> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from >> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not >> that big of a deal. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >>> >>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >>> >>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >>> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >>> >>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >>> >>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >>> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles >>> I've read, recently. >>> >>> I just don't know, I just don't know. >>> >>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >>> going to mi
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I can put my iPhone on Bluetooth to my hearing aids, so I can be out in public and put that Detection feature to good use without others hearing it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try this door detection thingy. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I ment black Friday lol. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Mitch, Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one. I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge improvement. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday
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Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things were. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography
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Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >> going to miss Touch ID. >> >> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >> iPhone 14. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they >> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC >> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this >> year I
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Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try this door detection thingy. Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I ment black Friday lol. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Mitch, Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one. I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge improvement. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which st
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Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option fo
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Yeah, if I’m looking at the tech specs correctly for each phone, meaning looking in the sensors area for each of the 14 models, only the pro phones show having the LiDAR scanner.What with watching YouTube videos and reading on the internet, even though I did read and watch ahead of time, I still thought it was kind of sad that practically everything had been leaked before the Apple event and thus no last minute surprises or anything. Well, actually, although I had heard rumors of it happening at some point, I do admit to being surprised with the physical SIM card not being available on the 14s here in the States.I had heard a rumor about the price of the regular 14s starting at $749 instead of the $799 at which they are being priced, and I was really hoping that would’ve been the case. I mean, to my way of thinking, with the regular 14s not getting the new a16 processor while the pro models are getting it and staying at the same price point as last year’s models, the regular 14s are actually losing a benefit they used to get and thus their price should be adjusted just a bit to account for that.I used to think I would never pay so much for a phone as the pro models cost. However, when I buy a new iPhone, and I will at some point in the future because I sold four of my older phones to Apple and received Apple gift cards, I’ll be strongly considering the 14 Pro. For now, though, and remember that I have two cell phone lines because my internet is strictly through my phones as well as their hotspot feature, I’m using a 13 Mini and a 12 Mini, having sold all of my non 5G phones to Apple. Thus, it’s much easier to back up my phones to iCloud since I can now use cellular data to do it, and updating each phone without having to connect to the hotspot of the other is kind of nice too.As for Face ID, I think I would often still prefer Touch ID, especially at night when I’m in bed and the Face ID isn’t as easily done, although I did get much better with it as I used it more. Now, though, once I started getting Face ID to work most of the time, even while in bed, I decided to turn on the require attention for Face ID. Seeing as I have no vision at all and one prosthetic eye, I didn’t expect much, so I was surprised when Face ID worked at all when I had this setting turned on. When I’m up and about, it works about half the time for me now, but it rarely works for me when I’m in bed and want to check something on the phone, so I then wind up having to enter the passcode. While I likely wouldn’t ever really need the require attention to be turned on, since it is a bit more secure, I think I’ll continue using it for a bit longer to see if practicing more will get it to work any better for me. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Sieghard WeitzelSent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately.So I will just wait and see what happens for a while
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Amen, Julian, Amen. Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:27 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I personally like both touch ID and face ID. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Overall, I lean more toward liking touch ID now just because I don't like having to put the phone in front of my face every single time I want to unlock and interact with it. I just wish they would give us both, like some android phones do. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Donna Casteen wrote: > > I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial > IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out > of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the > phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within > 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened > & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. > > Donna > >> >> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, >> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch >> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more >> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to >> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature >> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to >> learn something new. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Outlook >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face >> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and >> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. >> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the >> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they >> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but >> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from >> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not >> that big of a deal. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >>> >>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >>> >>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >>> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >>> >>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >>> >>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >>> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles >>> I've read, recently. >>> >>> I just don't know, I just don't know. >>> >>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >>> going to miss Touch ID. >>> >>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >>> iPhone 14. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long >>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully >>> they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the >>> USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did >>> this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel
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You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID! Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >> going to miss Touch ID. >> >> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >> iPhone 14. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they >> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC >> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this >> year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Hello Robert, To be quite honest, I've not had any real problems with Face ID; I just do not like it as much as Touch ID. On my 11, I use the Tap Back feature to quickly return to the home screen but, again, I just do not like it as much as I like Touch ID. On my beloved Galaxy, the in-screen Touch ID / Home Button work so well that I cannot understand why Apple will not implement it on its flagship devices. I use Apple Pay almost every time I buy something in a store and Face ID just feels weird when it comes to authenticating purchases. In all fairness, however, I also use my Apple Watch for Apple Pay and it works flawlessly so ... In the end, it just comes down to personal preference, perhaps nothing more. It's too bad that Apple did not release iPhone Ultra with Touch ID, Face ID and a headphone jack, eh? (big smile) Mark -Original Message- From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 3:24 AM To: M. Taylor Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? mark what has been your wrestling match with face ID? On 9/10/2022 11:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello Dennis and Everyone, > > Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. > > I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at > worst, with iPhone release this time around. > > I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. > > Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T > Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account > settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've > read, recently. > > I just don't know, I just don't know. > > I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely > going to miss Touch ID. > > Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first > couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the > new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to > iPhone 14. > > Mark > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis > Long > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they > will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than > I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I > think a lot of people won't upgrade. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. > You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from > an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. > I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the > regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from > last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now > has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one > good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a > good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. > I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, > recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be > able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 > Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into > good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really > want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various > apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for > the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or > 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. > > I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have > upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I > would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. > This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to > keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay > $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in > Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or > $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they
Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Mitch, No, any of the Pro models have LIDAR and will therefore have door detection. So, regular pro or pro Max. I have the 13 Pro and it has LIDAR. Richard “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com > On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: > > Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I > was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. > From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see > the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if > you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much > prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in > Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these > Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the > battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate > when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will > try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as > well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera > on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the > emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot > could offer some peace of mind. > And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a > good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going > to wait for that. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis > Long > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they > will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than > I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I > think a lot of people won't upgrade. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. > You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from > an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. > I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the > regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from > last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now > has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one > good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a > good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. > I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, > recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be > able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 > Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into > good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really > want to take advantag
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Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for
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I ment black Friday lol. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Mitch, Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one. I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge improvement. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a gr
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Video playback takes far, far more battery life because it is running the screen. Audio playback doesn't use the screen so your hours would likely at least double. I could get 40 hours of playback on my first iPod Touch 3rd gen by locking the phone and letting it run. I tested it by doing just that. With these new phones, it will be likely much more than that. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi Richard, Well, one of the differences between the iPhone 14 Pro and the pro max is video playback. One reports 23 hours and the max is supposed to provide 29 hours. Really, I just don’t think that’s worth it. I do mostly audio, so I would assume that number would go up if I’m not doing that much with video playback. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Mitch, > Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US > Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. > > I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger > phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, > the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same > performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking > all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a > battery pack is a good one. > > I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge > improvement. > > > Richard > “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought > which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > 礪 > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see > the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if > you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much > prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in > Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these > Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the > battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate > when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will > try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as > well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera > on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the > emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot > could offer some peace of mind. > And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a > good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going > to wait for that. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis > Long > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they > will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than > I migh
Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Hi Richard, Well, one of the differences between the iPhone 14 Pro and the pro max is video playback. One reports 23 hours and the max is supposed to provide 29 hours. Really, I just don’t think that’s worth it. I do mostly audio, so I would assume that number would go up if I’m not doing that much with video playback. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Mitch, > Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US > Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. > > I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger > phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, > the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same > performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking > all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a > battery pack is a good one. > > I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge > improvement. > > > Richard > “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought > which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > 礪 > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see > the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if > you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much > prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in > Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these > Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the > battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate > when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will > try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as > well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera > on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the > emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot > could offer some peace of mind. > And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a > good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going > to wait for that. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis > Long > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they > will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than > I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I > think a lot of people won't upgrade. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. > You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from > an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. > I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the > regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from > last year. They
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Sieghard I have eight iPhone 12 mini and I haven’t really been happy with the battery life. It doesn’t meet my needs. So I think this is the only thing that makes sense. I like the idea of the start up chime and so often I start my phone and more for the night I have to start of the second time before it will actually start. So this should help. Anyway, thanks for the information. You are a funny man. I trust your judgment even if you make a mistake. By the way, I do think that crash detection is in the iPhone 14. Have a good one. Best, Les Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Hello Les, > > I believe all iPhone 14 models have crash detection, but then again, we are > well into the second half of 2022 and I could be wrong for the first time > this year 藍 > Having said this and even if that is correct, I can totally see why you would > want a pro phone this time around. I can't remember what you have now, but if > you have an iPhone 12 or later whether Pro or not, the 14 Pro really is the > only thing worth upgrading to. If somebody had an iPhone 8 or older then of > course upgrading to a regular iPhone 14 would be a big improvement. > Of course there is always the Apple Watch 8, they also have crash detection > and especially if you don't have an Apple Watch you might really enjoy the > experience and even if you do have one and it's not a 7th Gen, you could get > crash detection for a lot less money than the cost of an iPhone 14 Pro. There > is also the thing about what you have access to should you, hopefully never > the case, have a car crash. It is more likely your Apple Watch will be on > your wrist and accessible should you be in a position where you can talk to > emergency services whereas your iPhone could be tossed anywhere unless you > have it securely in a pocket or belt holster. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:00 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > Hi Sieghard, > I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item > that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as > we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you > just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the > upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.' > Best, > > Les > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not > forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR > and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting > old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted > people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good > motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera > on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the > emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot > could offer some peace of mind. > And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a > good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going > to wait for that. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis > Long > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they > will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than > I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I > think a lot of people won't upgrade. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. > You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from > an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. > I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the > regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from > last year. They say they imp
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Mitch, Good Friday is April 7, 2023. Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales? That is November 25th. I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one. I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge improvement. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost.. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Ap
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Hello Les, I believe all iPhone 14 models have crash detection, but then again, we are well into the second half of 2022 and I could be wrong for the first time this year 藍 Having said this and even if that is correct, I can totally see why you would want a pro phone this time around. I can't remember what you have now, but if you have an iPhone 12 or later whether Pro or not, the 14 Pro really is the only thing worth upgrading to. If somebody had an iPhone 8 or older then of course upgrading to a regular iPhone 14 would be a big improvement. Of course there is always the Apple Watch 8, they also have crash detection and especially if you don't have an Apple Watch you might really enjoy the experience and even if you do have one and it's not a 7th Gen, you could get crash detection for a lot less money than the cost of an iPhone 14 Pro. There is also the thing about what you have access to should you, hopefully never the case, have a car crash. It is more likely your Apple Watch will be on your wrist and accessible should you be in a position where you can talk to emergency services whereas your iPhone could be tossed anywhere unless you have it securely in a pocket or belt holster. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:00 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? Hi Sieghard, I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.' Best, Les -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Hi Sieghard, I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.' Best, Les -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit c
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards whic
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some peace of mind. And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait for that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. One could call Apple to double check, bu
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
Hello Dennis and Everyone, Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, with iPhone release this time around. I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've read, recently. I just don't know, I just don't know. I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely going to miss Touch ID. Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to iPhone 14. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
No the basic 14 and 14 plus don't it is limited to pro and pro maxes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know? Cheers Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR07MB59174213DACD0D09824319E9C1439%40MN2PR07MB5917.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003c01d8c4f6%24f2b53370%24d81f9a50%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on hardware, not software. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know? Cheers Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, ple
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Hello Mich, You still don't get the iPhone 13 Pro Max for $0, they may want you to think you do, but the question is how much your plan is and what you get for that. If you pay anywhere around $80 a month for which you should get unlimited Canada wide calling and texting + quite a good amount of data then you are still paying at least $20 or $25 for your phone and if they say that you have to give the phone back after 2 years or pay something to keep it then you definitely don't get it for free. You can get a plan with unlimited calling and texting + a bunch of data from Koodo or similar for probably no more than $50 or $55 a months if you bring your own phone so anything above $50 or $55 is for your phone. As for the iPhone 8, if you have a 64 Gb model than they might give you $100 if you are lucky, remember they only offered me $200 for my iPhone 11 which already has Face Id and is newer. You can, however, still get probably $250 or $200 for sure for your iPhone 8 if you sell it privately and as long as it is in good condition. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I am hopeing to upgrade from the I phone 8 to the I phone 13 max so that I can take addvantige of the lidar feture how ever I am also with tellis and I am wondering how mutch they would give me for my I phone 8? Since I am in the bring it back program and I would only have to pay for the taxes and get the I phone 13 max for 0 dollars not counting the taxes of korce. I to was not that impressed with the I phone 14 how ever I did like the watch though the watch ie I meen not the more expencive ones. How ever even that I would have to pay around 300 cad and I am notshure if I should go with the gps version or the one with cell service. As far as the answer to the question in this post I don't think that the I phone 14 has the lidar no. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the ph
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
I am hopeing to upgrade from the I phone 8 to the I phone 13 max so that I can take addvantige of the lidar feture how ever I am also with tellis and I am wondering how mutch they would give me for my I phone 8? Since I am in the bring it back program and I would only have to pay for the taxes and get the I phone 13 max for 0 dollars not counting the taxes of korce. I to was not that impressed with the I phone 14 how ever I did like the watch though the watch ie I meen not the more expencive ones. How ever even that I would have to pay around 300 cad and I am notshure if I should go with the gps version or the one with cell service. As far as the answer to the question in this post I don't think that the I phone 14 has the lidar no. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: September 9, 2022 3:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on hardware, not software. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Friday, Septembe
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on hardware, not software. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know? Cheers Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe fr
RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on hardware, not software. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know? Cheers Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR07MB59174213DACD0D09824319E9C1439%40MN2PR07MB5917.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01ea01d8c469%2480520a20%2480f61e60%24%40comcast.net.
