[Vo]: Steven Jones and 9/11 conspiracy

2006-06-21 Thread Randy Souther
http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i42/42a01001.htm Randy

Re: [Vo]: Harry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor overunity disputed

2006-06-21 Thread thomas malloy
Michel Jullian wrote: (should be _Harry_ Paul Sprain according to the US 6954019 folders you gave us a link to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ I visited this website, I was hoping for a diagram of the proposed motor, but I failed to notice one. Having seen many proposals for usi

[VO]:Re: Vortex fields

2006-06-21 Thread RC Macaulay
Terry mentioned " focus" the two magetrons.<><><><><>No, not exactly focus; but, create interference patterns between the two sources.  Unfortunately this doesn't work unless the two sources are in sync.  :-(Terry Howdy Terry, Magnetrons.. oops my spelling... Give us a suggestion on how you

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Patrick Vessey wrote: Stephen wrote: This is a very strange statement. Why would it self-run for "3 hours"? Why would it not run until the bearings wore out? Why would an observer who was not satisfied in 3 hours have to remain unsatisfied (which is the implication here)? I'm sorry, I know

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Grimer
At 04:44 pm 21/06/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Terry wrote: > >>Now, things may have changed since then. However, at that time, he was >>confident in it (effectively) self running. If that still stands, it would >>make verifing his claims somewhat simpler... >> >><><><><><> >> >>Indeed it would! >> >>Th

Re: [Vo]: Re: Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: One more good reason why nothing less than a self-powered device will ever satisfy the (justified) demands of all concerned. Of course a self-powered device would be ideal, but as I said, I think something run from a battery where the total friction of the gadget was previ

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Grimer
At 04:22 pm 21/06/2006 -0400, you wrote:   > If it does self-run, you'll see it on CNN! > Do you get CNN in the UK? > :-)  >  > Terry  Only if you pay the dirty digger for Sky TV. I don't on principle. ;-) Frank

RE: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Grimer
At 08:21 pm 21/06/2006 +0100, Patrick wrote: >> Terry wrote: >> >> What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even go >> see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to convince >> anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements. > >Terry, >Several months ago,

RE: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Patrick Vessey
> Stephen wrote: > > This is a very strange statement. > > Why would it self-run for "3 hours"? Why would it not run until the > bearings wore out? Why would an observer who was not satisfied in 3 > hours have to remain unsatisfied (which is the implication here)? > > I'm sorry, I know this sound

RE: [Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Goldes
Jed, The short response is he is getting an output of 25% of the input on a usable basis. This means that without drastic redesign that seems far beyond his capabilities, the motor cannot be made to self run. We would be happy to be proven wrong. Magnetic motors that self-run are indeed p

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Vortex fields.

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: RC Macaulay Terry mentioned " focus" the two magetrons. <><><><><> No, not exactly focus; but, create interference patterns between the two sources. Unfortunately this doesn't work unless the two sources are in sync. :-( Terry

RE: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Patrick Vessey
> If it does self-run, you'll see it on CNN! Do you get CNN in the UK? If we stay up late enough, we're treated on (terrestrial) TV to something like 'ABC World News'. However, the 'world' bit means the same as in 'World Series', as opposed to 'World Cup' :-( -- No virus found in this outgoing

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry wrote: Now, things may have changed since then. However, at that time, he was confident in it (effectively) self running. If that still stands, it would make verifing his claims somewhat simpler... <><><><><> Indeed it would! The problem has been finding a low speed efficient generator.

[Vo]: Re: Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Michel Jullian I would appreciate if other electronics-literate Vorts, preferably less involved personally with the inventor, could examine and comment/criticize my objections. I would love to be proven wrong, really. <><><><><>

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Grimer I doesn't amaze me. I've had 40 years of it - so I'm quite used to the fact that people avoid cognitive dissonance like the plague. <><><><><><> But it only hurts for a short time then you feel better than you did before. :-) Terry

[Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message-  From: Patrick Vessey    Now, things may have changed since then. However, at that time, he was  confident in it (effectively) self running. If that still stands, it would  make verifing his claims somewhat simpler...    <><><><><>    Indeed it would!    The problem ha

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Also P&F were hoping to see something that could be called cold fusion before they built a cell. Yes, they were. Fleischmann have been thinking about it on and off for decades. I do not think he was expecting to see quite what he found. It is likely Galileo was hoping t

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Grimer
At 01:33 pm 21/06/2006 -0400, Terry wrote: > > >-Original Message- >From: Grimer > >Let's hope he's wrong - but if he isn't then I think >the Finsrud machine is the best bet for proving a >point of principle. The solution is more elegant than >the Sprain in the cunning way it achieves the d

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Patrick Vessey wrote: > Terry wrote: > > What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even > go see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to > convince anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements. Terry, Several months ago, I watched a car crash of di

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Vortex fields.

2006-06-21 Thread RC Macaulay
Jones wrote..   ...of course, one wonders if Richard isn't thinking about trying to do something similar in liquid, intead of a gas perhaps by rapdily moving his vortex stirrer up and down in the orthogonal vector. Methings the tank could not take that kind of stress however. Howdy Jones

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > >> Actually, the results from Galileo's telescope were ambiguous and >> required expert observation, training and patience. > > It may seem a little odd to talk about expert training for a brand > new instrument type, such as the telescope. What I mean is you had

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: > By the way, Galileo's proof that all bodies fall in the gravitational > field with the same acceleration was not experimental. He never > dropped anything off the Tower of Pisa. It was a pure "thought > experiment," like Einstein's early work in special relativity. He > asked

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me extend this comparison a little more. I wrote: It is a shame [Tycho Brahe] he never got a chance to use a telescope. If he had, he would have known instantly what he was seeing despite the problems with the early instruments. Furthermore, if Tycho had seen Galileo's initial setup, he w

RE: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Patrick Vessey
> Terry wrote: > > What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even go > see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to convince > anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements. Terry, Several months ago, I watched a car crash of discussion threads evolve on t

[Vo]: Re: More Waterfuel videos

2006-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Suppose I built one but did not want to use my Scion for experimentation, how could I "test the water" so to speak? Terry I am planning on trying to prove/disprove that part of the equation (pretreatment) soon. A simple but meaningf

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Actually, the results from Galileo's telescope were ambiguous and required expert observation, training and patience. It may seem a little odd to talk about expert training for a brand new instrument type, such as the telescope. What I mean is you had to be an expert astronomer. A n

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry wrote: What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even go see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to convince anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements. I would love to go see it, but I am not qualified to verify the measurements. I wouldn'

Re: [Vo]: More Waterfuel videos

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene Otherwise, there can be little in the way of self-deception in such circumstances - as the engine, fueled with treated water, is running for extended periods - consequently either we have pure, senseless fraud -or else this is the makings of the d

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Grimer Let's hope he's wrong - but if he isn't then I think the Finsrud machine is the best bet for proving a point of principle. The solution is more elegant than the Sprain in the cunning way it achieves the different advance and retreat speed in relation to t

[Vo]: More Waterfuel videos

2006-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
If you have the time and a broadband connection ... [and perhaps you should make time, if you are interested in the full range of alternative-energy options], then courtesy of Google video (beta software) and Sterling Allan, there is a new crop of videos mostly from Oz, purporting to show vehic

Re: [Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Mark Goldes Terry, Michael, Vo,    Here are some edited comments from a member of the MPI engineering team that might be of interest. Comments that would reveal proprietary information have been omitted.    "The PDF details a properly done analysis of True Po

RE: [Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Goldes wrote: Comments that would reveal proprietary information have been omitted. "The PDF details a properly done analysis of True Power input, and actual torque output. Sprain does not seem to capture BEMF, but still this carefully, and independently measured performance is a mere

RE: [Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Goldes
Terry, Michael, Vo, Here are some edited comments from a member of the MPI engineering team that might be of interest. Comments that would reveal proprietary information have been omitted. "The PDF details a properly done analysis of True Power input, and actual torque output. Sprain does

[Vo]: Re: Airy (?) Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian I would appreciate if other electronics-literate Vorts, preferably less involved personally with the inventor, could examine and comment/criticize my objections. I would love to be proven wrong, really. <><><><><> No one else here is involved

[Vo]: Re: NEW ENERGY TIMES NEWS FLASH (tm) JUNE 20, 2006

2006-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
As Mr. Beene has pointed out here and elsewhere, the claims by the opposition were preposterous. Terry Let me clarify that the only preposterous claim was the one made by Putterman's graduate assistant - where he stated that the spectrum 'looked like 251-Californium's or something to that

[Vo]: Re: Vortex fields

2006-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
Blank - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay Here is a link to the smoke gun blaster fun. Watch carefully as one smoke ring intercepts another, Some of the rings destruct , some bounce and some encircle and enhance by encircling the first torus ring and accelerate. http://cgi.ebay.

[Vo]: Re: airy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Michel Jullian
(changed "hairy" to possibly even more appropriate "airy") > What you do not understand is that we repealed Ohm's law here in > Georgia in 1966. Ah, that's why reactive currents don't heat up the wires there :) (sorry I couldn't "resist" ;-) More seriously, as you know from our private discuss

Re: [Vo]: NEW ENERGY TIMES NEWS FLASH (tm) JUNE 20, 2006

2006-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry wrote: As Mr. Beene has pointed out here and elsewhere, the claims by the opposition were preposterous. That is why I find the outcome troubling. A proper enquiry would have dismissed the charges and published a definitive statement clearing Taleyarkhan of all charges. That is what hap

Re: [Vo]: NEW ENERGY TIMES NEWS FLASH (tm) JUNE 20, 2006

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Steven Krivit The issues were largely personal, not scientific. <><><><><> As Mr. Beene has pointed out here and elsewhere, the claims by the opposition were preposterous. Terry

Re: [Vo]: New look for "Newton's bucket"

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder New look for "Newton's bucket" 12 May 2006 <><><><><> What remarkable synchronicity as I am presently reading The fabric of the cosmos: space, time, and the texture of reality by Greene, Brian R., which offers an incredible discussion on Newton,

Re: [VO]:Re:[VO]: Please...Re and not Re

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Could the reverse happen? Could seismic activity alter the weather? I say this because last year I noticed a curious coincidence. We had a small quake ( hardly noticeable) in our area at around 8pm or 9pm. The next day we got good weather instead

[Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian (should be _Harry_ Paul Sprain according to the US 6954019 patent document, not Henry, I have corrected the subject line and added "overunity disputed" to make the thread look more appealing to our fellow Vorts) TB: Ackshully "Hairy" would be

Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor

2006-06-21 Thread Grimer
At 08:38 pm 20/06/2006 -0400, Terry wrote: > Gnorts, Vorts! ... > See: > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ > > for the public data. ... > Any takers? > > Terry Michel has written, "My conclusion from 1/ and 2/ is that the

[Vo]: Re:[Vo]: Please vortex fields

2006-06-21 Thread RC Macaulay
Howdy Harry and Colin,   Here is a link to the smoke gun blaster fun. Watch carefully as one smoke ring intercepts another, Some of the rings destruct ,some bounce and some encircle and enhance by encircling the first torus ring and accelerate. http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-ZERO-SMOKE-RING-GUN-FLU

[Vo]: Harry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor overunity disputed

2006-06-21 Thread Michel Jullian
(should be _Harry_ Paul Sprain according to the US 6954019 patent document, not Henry, I have corrected the subject line and added "overunity disputed" to make the thread look more appealing to our fellow Vorts) Thanks Terry for your objective introduction of my position, in spite of your not a