Blaze, that kind of thing was one of the things I was alluding to.
The stuff that is now openly admitted to as 'Old News' is horrific.
But at the time it would have been considered an unreasonable conspiracy
theory.
And today similar things do happen, but they are dismissed as conspiracy
theories
DJ Cravens,
Here is another variable mass theory for LENR -
"Theories of variable mass particles and low energy nuclear phenomena"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/139182265/Theories-of-variable-mass-particles-and-low-energy-nuclear-phenomena
I am not sure if it is related to Williams' approach.
-- Lo
oh yeah, for truly depressing caution & cynicism, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Sure as hell hope we don't do that sort of thing anymore
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
wrote:
> reasonable amount of caution: t
reasonable amount of caution: the nsa has recruited double agents at
american companies to insert back doors into internet tech so they can spy
on both americans and those abroad.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM, John Berry wrote:
>
> The
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM, John Berry wrote:
The most interesting and somewhat topic relevant portion of this discussion
> is that of why belief systems that support trust in leadership, authority
> and beliefs that support general social cohesion are likely to be strongly
> selected in evo
The most interesting and somewhat topic relevant portion of this discussion
is that of why belief systems that support trust in leadership, authority
and beliefs that support general social cohesion are likely to be strongly
selected in evolutionary terms.
If you are likely to go against the leade
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Perhaps someone might want to offer a location to which this topic could
> be pursued.
>
Vortex-B? Southern Poverty Law Center? ;)
Eric
You might notice that Pharis' theory that the patent was based on uses the
neo-coulombic potential. Some observant person might notice that the name of
my booth at NI Week was Neo- Coulombic- named after that potential. The same
person might notice that I wrote the preface for Pharis' book (
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> John Berry wrote:
>
> Jed, do you believe that if you were in countries that had insane
>> governments, and you were raised in that culture and had a normal degree of
>> faith in that government. Would you have seen them as insane?
>>
>
> I
I agree with David Robinson that we should drop this discussion, but I
would like to make a few more comments, and then I shall stop.
Edmund Storms wrote:
> The claim that the government was behind 9/11 is another example of how
> willing people are to believe insane explanations of events. The
On Sep 23, 2013, at 3:43 PM, John Berry wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
John Berry wrote:
That is a good point, but the some of the same could have been
argued about the disruption of taking the WTC down and flying
something into the Pentagon.
Yet I and bas
John Berry wrote:
> There isn't enough money in all the insurance companies in the world to
>> cover the damages or pay off the policies. There are many wealthy people in
>> Washington, DC. The population density is high.
>>
>
> That is a good point, but the some of the same could have been argu
This discussion is getting a bit out of hand. Although I find it interesting
to monitor the complex thoughts of my fellow vorts, I suggest that we attempt
to move on to issues that are in line with our normal conversations. Perhaps
someone might want to offer a location to which this topic co
John Berry wrote:
Jed, do you believe that if you were in countries that had insane
> governments, and you were raised in that culture and had a normal degree of
> faith in that government. Would you have seen them as insane?
>
I might. Many Japanese people did think their government was crazy i
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> John Berry wrote:
>
>
>> I disagree, if you are twisted, and want the power of fear over people to
>> control them with more draconian measures and to start a war because you
>> want people to support for conquest, and lowering the populatio
Dear Jed,
On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve first
world economies sooner than it improves third world countries or
China, since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow the
economy, and we import more energy per cap
Jed, do you believe that if you were in countries that had insane
governments, and you were raised in that culture and had a normal degree of
faith in that government. Would you have seen them as insane?
Hindsight is 20/20, you would not fall for that would you?
And if it was 1962 and operation N
John Berry wrote:
> I disagree, if you are twisted, and want the power of fear over people to
> control them with more draconian measures and to start a war because you
> want people to support for conquest, and lowering the population,
> overthrowing governments and because it would cause huge
Edmund Storms wrote:
The scary part is that intelligent people would consider this claim even
> plausible when the idea is obviously the hallucination of an insane mind.
> Of course the government lies, of course it does bad things, of course it
> cannot be trusted.
>
To some extent. As Ed says,
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> The scary part is that intelligent people would consider this claim even
> plausible when the idea is obviously the hallucination of an insane mind.
> Of course the government lies, of course it does bad things, of course it
> cannot be trust
The scary part is that intelligent people would consider this claim
even plausible when the idea is obviously the hallucination of an
insane mind. Of course the government lies, of course it does bad
things, of course it cannot be trusted. But the government does
operate in predictable ways
James Bowery wrote:
> There is a similar unenlightened self-interest at work in preventing the
> proper development and deployment of LENR. It is "intelligent" in that
> sense and it has no incentive to become "enlightened" about its
> self-interest.
>
> There are therefore two questions in mod
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> This doesn't just "seem kinda far out." It IS far out. Far, far out.
> Farther out than the Voyager 1 spacecraft.
>
Ok, but the problem here is that you have limits to what you will give
serious consideration.
While I know you do not believ
Rob Dingemans wrote:
Dear Jed,
>
>
> On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve first
>> world economies sooner than it improves third world countries or China,
>> since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow the economy
Good... perhaps I can try my approach from the angle opened up by the
problem of writing off capital investments in a "debt saturated" western
economy:
The bailout of the large financial institutions was an example of the kind
of 'panic' that results when a massive write-off of capital investments
I agree with your description when applied to the details, Alain.
However, the system is influenced by certain people based on their
self interest and wisdom, or lack thereof. We see this situation play
out throughout histoery. Some people use their power to improve while
others use it to d
Edmund Storms wrote:
> For example, although the US is self-sufficient in energy, the cost is
> controlled by the world market.
The U.S. is not self-sufficient in energy. We consume 97 quads. We import
24 quads (mainly oil) and export 10 quads (oil and coal). See:
http://www.eia.gov/totalene
my sad vision is there is no vision...
some people think they are right, using bad heuristics.
some follow them by selfish interest to get chocolate medal or to earn
their life
some follow just because they feel right when they follow
some get convinced because they have no culture
some shut up be
There are loads of theories that describe the processes that go on inside
the nucleus. In order to be taken seriously, each must be consistent with
the observed behavior of the subatomic processes that they describe as far
as the level of our understanding of those processes go.
Fro example. one o
I agree Bob, the world is not managed in order to increase everyone's
benefit. Jed tends to be an optimist about the future while I and
apparently you as well are more of a realist. The world is in a mess.
The West has created an unstable and unsustainable economic structure
and many parts
I wrote:
> These improvements have been drastic in some cases. LED lighting takes
> only about one-fifth of the electricity of incandescent lights.
>
Illumination is a large fraction of total energy use. See:
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=99&t=3
QUOTE:
"How much electricity is used
Sorry, Ed, I should have clarified that I wasn't referring to you as having
posited a conspiracy theory. My abstractions may have been a bit too for
the present conversation...
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> James, I have no idea what you mean to say here. No conspirac
Edmund Storms wrote:
Of course LENR is denied by the West. The technology is a real and profound
> danger to the West. It would undermine the economics of the energy
> industries, on which the West is built, and it would give the Third world,
> including China and India, great advantage.
>
That
James, I have no idea what you mean to say here. No conspiracy is
involved or implied. The effect of LENR on the world's economy is
obvious to anyone who understands economics. This is reality, not some
proposed crazy idea.
On Sep 23, 2013, at 10:46 AM, James Bowery wrote:
The homeostatic
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Jones,
By a nonsingular potential, he means that the 1/r term must be incorrect
as r --> 0. I have not read his theory so I have no opinion.
The "De Haas-van Alphen effect" is a new one for me.
Interesting. I need to research it.
Whether it relates to Willia
I agree, stupidly is certainly at the core of the problem. I think
the atom bomb provides a useful example of the situation. Early
during WWII, scientists understood that Germany was working on the
atom bomb and if they were successful, the power structure of the
world would change. Only
Interview with Pharis Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2wIBhAoVs
_
-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
BTW, a recently published cold D+D f
Jones Beene wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
>
> BTW, a recently published cold D+D fusion patent application is -
> Deuterium Reactor -- US 20130235963 A1
>
> ABSTRACT
> The Deuterium Reactor is a fusion reactor whose design is based upon a
> non-singular elec
The homeostatic mechanisms of these systems embody a kind of intelligence
that is all-too-frequently attributed to "conspiracy". This is complicated
by the fact that genuine conspiratorial behavior is sometimes involved. It
is further complicated by the vague definition of "conspiracy" as the wor
It is hard for me to imagine that it is an intelligent desire to protect
economic rent for few against the western population...
Having worked in finance, in Internet bubble, I would rather blame it on
individual weakness (selfishness, ambition, greed, self delusion,
submission to easy) sewed to
-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
BTW, a recently published cold D+D fusion patent application is -
Deuterium Reactor -- US 20130235963 A1
ABSTRACT
The Deuterium Reactor is a fusion reactor whose design is based upon a
non-singular electrostatic required by the quantizat
Of course LENR is denied by the West. The technology is a real and
profound danger to the West. It would undermine the economics of the
energy industries, on which the West is built, and it would give the
Third world, including China and India, great advantage. The people in
charge in the W
Those are fairly old - filed in years 2000 and 1995, well before Rossi.
I am not sure they were working with Celani that early.
BTW, a recently published cold D+D fusion patent application is -
Deuterium Reactor -- US 20130235963 A1
ABSTRACT
The Deuterium Reactor is a fusion reactor whose desig
This doesn't just "seem kinda far out." It IS far out. Far, far out.
Farther out than the Voyager 1 spacecraft.
- Jed
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> I don't think they are related to Rossi.
No, it was Celani.
Years ago some Americans opposed to cold fusion tried to change this
article, and they tried to ban LENR-CANR.org. A Japanese moderator asked
them not to.
- Jed
They have 2 other applications:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2001029844A1
https://www.google.com/patents/WO1997020318A1
I don't think they are related to Rossi.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Did you notice that Cold fusion was treated much more in a balanced way in
Chinese and japanese .
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E6%B8%A9%E6%A0%B8%E8%9E%8D%E5%90%88
translated:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%E5%B8%B8%E6%B
This is may seem kinda far out, but it claims that a nuclear false flag
attack was going to take place in Washington to start a war with Syria.
And the MP's were going to arrest Obama.
http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/washington-dc-navy-yard-shooting-linked-to-attempted-arrest-of-obama-for
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