[Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
E-Cat world reporting another delay from the TIP testers... early autumn Soon we will probably know a little bit more. The group of scientists from Uppsala and KTH has expanded with more scientists from other countries and the second independent test is about to get published early autumn. The

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, this is a good sign. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
A few weeks ago, Jed Rothwell said that professors have a very casual relationship with deadlines. A better round of adjectives would be thoughtless, supercilious, aloof. There is not much doubt in my mind that this report will eventually be positive. If it had been a blowout, they'd have

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Foks0904 .
I'm a little disappointed, but as Daniel and others have suggested, at the very least, this seems to suggest that nuclear levels of excess heat have been measured yet again. Why bother with delaying the report for the sake of isotopic analysis otherwise? On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Kevin

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Why bother with delaying the report for the sake of isotopic analysis otherwise? ***For exactly the reason I just detailed: they are using this information selfishly.

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Foks0904 .
Kevin, maybe you're right, who knows, but for the most part that suggestion is pure innuendo. It's like making the argument that Gamberle has some shadowy partner who wants to steal DGT's technology, and so he broke his NDA and issued a fraudulent statement to make DGT look bad. Possibly, but

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread James Bowery
Andrea Rossi June 21st, 2014 at 9:18 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=7#comment-969885Giuliano Bettini and Gentle Readers: Please disregard any rumor, whisper, noise, voice, whistle, chant, music or whatsoever acoustic waves vibration regarding the date of

RE: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones sez: ... sounding like a scratched vinyl record Perhaps so. However I'm inclined to speculate that two inescapable conclusions have been drawn: (1) Spurious anomalous heat continues to be recorded. (2) They can not accurately predict and/or control the generation of spurious

RE: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
Steven, Yes ... and there could be a third and more important inescapable conclusion. You do not delay a report for an isotopic analysis if there has been no excess heat ! You simply issue a negative report. IOW if the report was indeed delayed for this reason, it is a slam-dunk that

RE: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Jones Beene
Sorry to sound like that scratched record myself - as I see others have said the same thing. Steven, Yes ... and there could be a third and more important inescapable conclusion. You do not delay a report for an isotopic analysis if there has been no excess heat ! You simply issue a

[Vo]:LENR Clock Crop Circle

2014-06-21 Thread H Veeder
http://boingboing.net/2014/06/21/huge-crop-circle-in-italy.html This magnificent crop circle appeared last night in Poirino, Italy. Known as the LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) Clock crop circle, it's either the result of extraterrestrials, a beam weapon, or master crop circle maker Francesco

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little disappointed, but as Daniel and others have suggested, at the very least, this seems to suggest that nuclear levels of excess heat have been measured yet again. Why bother with delaying the report for the sake

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
let us imagine the unimaginable... It work. now, the swedish scientist have measured heat... positive. they re mesure... delay...positive... impossible. so the look for nuclear ashes... delay... interesting but uncmmon... they remeasure... delay... they prepare a paper a report... since it is

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: A few weeks ago, Jed Rothwell said that professors have a very casual relationship with deadlines. Douglas Adams: “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.” On the other hand, imagine you

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, maybe you're right, who knows, but for the most part that suggestion is pure innuendo. ***No, it's not pure innuendo, it is partial innuendo. If I had posted that on April 3rd because the report was due in April,

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Foks0904 .
***So... then... what is your speculation? You spent a bunch of energy using exaggeration fallacies to knock mine down. Where's yours? Kevin, you were the one who responded to my original post -- which had nothing to do with your speculations whatsoever. You decided to initiate this

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: . However I'm inclined to speculate that two inescapable conclusions have been drawn: (1) Spurious anomalous heat continues to be recorded. (2) They can not accurately predict and/or

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: You do not delay a report for an isotopic analysis if there has been no excess heat ! You simply issue a negative report. ***And conversely, you simply issue a positive report ask Rossi publicly for permission to do

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, you were the one who responded to my original post -- which had nothing to do with your speculations whatsoever. ***That is simply not the case. Your post was a response to mine, and included a wholesale copy of my

[Vo]:answering the naysayers #6

2014-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
tom clarke wrote: *The previous post does not address the matter of limited Q at ultra-high power density. The field concentration you can get is therefore also limited.A simple way to look at it is that while hyper-high intensity em radiation could do many things - the

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Foks0904 .
Kevin -- My very first message was a response to Jones' OP. Here it is again in case you forgot: I'm a little disappointed, but as Daniel and others have suggested, at the very least, this seems to suggest that nuclear levels of excess heat have been measured yet again. Why bother with delaying

RE: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones, I have little reason to disagree with you assessment. It will be interesting to see what happens when they finally get around to reporting on their findings. Well... ahem... What we have here is a failure to analyze the data properly... Uh, well, that is my professional opinion on this

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Bob Cook
Oh ye with little patience: A WATCHED POT NEVER BOILS. Bob On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, you were the one who responded to my original post -- which had nothing to do with your speculations whatsoever. ***That is simply not the

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: A few weeks ago, Jed Rothwell said that professors have a very casual relationship with deadlines. A better round of adjectives would be thoughtless, supercilious, aloof. I agree. They know that people are waiting anxiously. They should publish an

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
:53:25 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140621 I'm a little disappointed, but as Daniel and others have suggested, at the very least, this seems to suggest that nuclear levels of excess heat have been measured yet again. Why bother with delaying the report

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread AlanG
Or another possibility: some men in black suits and mirror shades told them you can't publish this as written, matter of National, NATO, EU, World security, top secret ( pick one or more). We will tell you what you can say, and when, or else...and don't tell Rossi we were here. That's how it

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
just a nasty question ... who opposed Cold Fusion research ? DoD,Navy ? Commercial/Military Nuke labs ? or rather : APS, , DoE, NYT, Swedish Public Radio, INFN, CERN, scientific journals... was the aggression like commando and killing, or academic execution, insults, peer-review blocking,

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
They could have decided they just wanted to put some time and space between the swedish radio thing and their report. On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: E-Cat world reporting another delay from the TIP testers... early autumn Soon we will probably know a

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: just a nasty question ... who opposed Cold Fusion research ? M.I.T. for one. Read Dr. Mallove's extensive report: http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread James Bowery
Has anyone done a more complete job of chronicling the institutional incompetence http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2011/07/institutional-incompetence-conspiracy.html than Charles Beaudette in Excess Heat http://www.amazon.com/Excess-Heat-Research-Prevailed-Edition/dp/0967854830 ? On Sat, Jun 21,

[Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

2014-06-21 Thread Patrick Ellul
Hi guys, I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway. I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the reported COP will be 2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the report will be wrong or faked.

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hi guys I am a Swede at least I lived there until 1988. There are no black suits in Sweden. There are nobody informing friends to make them rich. It is a small and relatively homogeneous country no big lies survive for long. I am absolutely sure that it is a combination of inconclusive result and

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: just a nasty question ... who opposed Cold Fusion research ? DoD,Navy ? Commercial/Military Nuke labs ? or rather : APS, , DoE, NYT, Swedish Public Radio, INFN, CERN, scientific journals... All of them opposed it, and they still do. See, for

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford
It is so. Even now, they will not turn the Hubble telescope on the active galaxies that need the most study, instead wasting time pointing it at the Moon and Pluto. (A spacecraft will soon be at Pluto.) HST has a limited lifetime and capabilities that no Earth-bound telescope will ever have.

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: E-Cat world reporting another delay from the TIP testers... I feel that someone should volunteer to write a Vortex beerhall song. We can while away the time to the TIP report by loudly singing the song and clinking beer

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Hi guys I am a Swede at least I lived there until 1988. There are no black suits in Sweden. There are nobody informing friends to make them rich. ***Then are Swedes somehow immune to the human condition? It is a

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Vortex Beerhall song. IN MERCATU VERITAS by Matt Robinson * Composed with contingency dependent on the positive outcome of a certain report allegedly being prepared for publication, and a slight nod to T. S. Eliot’s ‘Macavity’ A word of caution ‘fore you read, this is based on

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Kevin, No Swedes are not immune to any bad things. I was hesitating before I wrote my post as I could hear that protest. However, it is a small and homogeneous country where the head of (the CIA of Sweden) is forced to explain himself. He is criticized for having collaborated with the US

Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe

2014-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that LENR is many centuries ahead of its time. Let us understand this paradigm changing device through an like example. Let us put ourselves back to the year 1014 AD. Imagine that a smart phone was given to a monk who toiled for most of his cloistered life coping one book and you told