I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to
understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong.
2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com:
Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not
Defkalion engaged in fraud.
And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing
someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit.
That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke.
People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong.
When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom
you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other
than taking out the garbage.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha
In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has
defrauded and of what?
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not
Defkalion engaged in fraud.
And that issue is probably
To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I
am going over it.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong.
When you come back from the edge, if you don't
If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay
calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company
would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name
to clients :
- we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had
Why should I? I've simply noticed that you and Daniel Rocha have gone over
the edge in the last few days. If you were in a real quest for a more
perfect truth, you'd be re-examining the messages you've posted at Jed over
the last few days.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Axil Axil
I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record
as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the
responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to
the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge
I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and
I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold
fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold
fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that
I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions,
***No, you have not. And besides that, all this other crap you've been
posting about DGT is just plain wrong. Who has the time to argue against
someone with an axe to grind? I don't.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Axil
This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have
been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them.
That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and
judges.
Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a
Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a
business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very
well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions.
***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end.
On Wed, May
Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits
in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and has the right to have to
have his opinion about everything, including that DGT has nothing.
In this stage, pre-commercial this is more useful that supporting
DGT/ The company had and has more
Hi Peter,
Will see :-)
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Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 9h47, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com a écrit :
Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits
in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and
Dear Axil,
first what is shown is not benign, but this does not say DGT is criminal
from its inception.
Desperate people do stupid things; Paranoid people do stupid things.
The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure
during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed
Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking
legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy
John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but
definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of
Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent
of the year honors for his design and demonstration.
IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote:
Somebody
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal
statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply.
Of course it is! If Defkalion knows their machine does not work, but they
are trying to sell it for millions of dollars, that is
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy
dust.
What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation.
Exactly right.
- Jed
Well we could perform sort of a thought experiment and imagine that Defkalion
had been issuing stock under the auspices of the SEC. My hunch is that at this
point they would be at or over the undefined line that John Rohner crossed when
he got busted. I think that what happened with Rohner was
Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I
know.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due
diligence:
*Due diligence* is a term used for a number of concepts, involving either
an investigation of a business or person prior to signing a contract, or an
act with a certain standard of care.
It can be a legal
IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on
the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada
regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American
SEC. There was that seemingly bright moment about a year ago
Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal
with nuclear authorities?
2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com:
IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to
go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary
failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca
describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca
himself, and why not us.
I agree.
I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France.
for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage
for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12...
You know, Areva will do off-shore wind turbine.
modern corps don't oppose revolution, they capture it.
I am
Why are you sure it was not to sabotage or just see the degree of threat?
2014-05-21 13:29 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com:
I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France.
for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage
for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to
It is irrelevant:
1. if DGT has the Canadian stock market to deal with or the Greek ditto.
2. if they have an idea (theory or experiment) that at some time will work.
3. if they will sue someone or be sued.
.
.
.100 if xx
They have been criticized for a year and they have not provided any
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due
diligence:
This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to
be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it
The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology
will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating
much more than the technology.
These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be
capable of providing continuing improvements to
The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss
said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat
about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole
the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to
And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets...
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss
said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat
about it. He just needed to
When did Rossi brag about such a thing? Defkalion BRAGGED.
I doubt Rossi stole such secrets. And arguing with you is a fool's
errand. Jed is right. You are wrong.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets...
On Thu, May 22,
My dear Friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html
We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on
Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for
Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon.
Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of
faulty pipes that increases the water bill.
2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com:
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It is a big joke. Letterman would have a lot of fun with this story.
So, after a year there are some unclear response. They say better late than
never but I am not so sure that is applicable.
I wrote the other day; As a young business man it happened that I was
interviewed by local newspapers.
Actually, there was some sarcasm, I don't know why the follow up comment
was not posted here :
He didn't consider that the exhaust direction would have a higher
differential of pressure and would be the ideal direction to go. The
bubbling could just be a momentary effect, and he just showed a
My dear Friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview
-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html
We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on
Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for
Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon.
The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be
impossible to get anyone to trust you again.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
My dear Friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be
impossible to get anyone to trust you again.
As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly,
warned the customers, and closed down the company, he
Interesting point, Jed.
I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would
have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want
to have to defend against that.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Blaze
At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal
statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid
patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted
in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to
bring Gamberale
The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy
dust.
What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal
*Q*: *Was calorimetry wrong?*
A: I am not a scientist. Calorimetry was not set by us but from brilliant
and well known international scientists.
More obfuscation. Not answering the question. Basically bullshit. The
answer is YES. The calorimetry was wrong. If Facts are so more important
To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink
unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn
fairy dust.
What
Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work
so they give you money, that's Fraud.
You can use a dictionary, if you like.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to
Can you really understand why the calorimetry is wrong? Can you really see
that the paper posted by DE is full of anecdotal evidences? Can you see
that what they claim in AR vs. H2 is contradicted by the DEMO? Even if the
DEMO was using wrong calorimetry, it was not in the way it was explained in
Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work
so they give you money, that's Fraud.
You can use a dictionary, if you
Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion
laws.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
Can you really understand kindergarten level gamesmanship? Can you really
see that the paper NEVER posted by Defkalion wouldn't have provided the
kind of evidence we all needed anyways? Can you see that what is claimed
in Obscurity vs. Larceny is contradicted by the fact that one of them
I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal
system provides consistency.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion
laws.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28
The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it
comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the
legal system
Well, Blaze, since you're back from your vacation or whatever... could you
reply to the posts to you on your own thread about the assessment of the
likelihood of Rossi being real?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
The legal system DOES rely on
Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not
something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his.
I read the 3 papers from Defkalion and they provided enough evidence for me
to know how their process and Rossi's work. But an accusative article such
as DE
Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it.
Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not
something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his.
Jed is right, and you are just whining like a couple of girls who didn't
get ice cream.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it.
Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha
Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual
purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded?
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it
comes to fraud. Is cold
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